<AWK> +AWK

<Wayne> +wayne

<JohnRochford> I love awards

<Wayne> how do I dial in or use webex. I have been trying for 15 minutes and I don't want to miss this meeting.

<shawn> s/how do I dial in or use webex. I have been trying for 15 minutes and I don't want to miss this meeting. /

<Ryladog> trying to connect audio

<Wayne> could you dial me.

<Alan_Smith> Just joining in on irc. There are two different phone number acccess codes in last meeting invite and they both do not work

<Wayne> Wayne 562-256-4458

<Wayne> No 562 493 8210, I'm flustered

<Wayne> I hung up by accident.

<Alan_Smith> updating my calendar entry and downloading webex as this is first time I got in on new tablet.

<Ryladog> W3C number +1-617-324-0000 is "not in service"?

<shawn> katie - see my e-mail with passcode correction

<Ryladog> ok

<Ryladog> thanks

<shawn> meeting code correction

<Ryladog> Yes I am on that one but the audio does not work and the W3C call in number is out of service

<Alan_Smith> ok, what is correct phone number to dial in on.

<shawn> +alan

<Ryladog> Im in, user error, I was using the old W3C number

<scribe> Scribe: Laura

Ontology

<allanj> https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/3

Wayne: Table from Texas School is inreresting.
... Observation functional limits come in clusters.
... Documenting how things work together. Completed functional limits.

<shawn> fyi http://www.tsbvi.edu/eye-conditions

Wayne: could prepare a table.

<allanj> ontology diagram - http://www.nosetothepage.org/WCAG/LVTF/Ontology/images/TopER.png

<allanj> +1 to table

Wayne: We want to look at functional limits not the medical model.
... tracked Macular Degeneration
... Main barriers: Legibility, readability, Layout and Viewport Capacity
... interested in pursuing further
... has taken a lot of time.

<allanj> john: ontology apply to mobile and non-mobile

John: Does it apply to mobile and non mobile?

wayne: yes and no
... same barriers in multiple ways.

John: Could you explain way finding?

Wayne: getting around the screen.
... we could change the term for location proximity issues

Shawn: impressed
... thinking about the terminology

<JohnRochford> Correction: John knows what wayfinding is, but wanted to know how Wayne was relating it to the ontology. Wayne explained he is using Wayfinding as an analogy.

Shawn: Regarding table, Can we use first 2 columns - and change the last column to user interface or such?

Wayne: yes. That is the goal.

<allanj> +1 to changing third column on http://www.tsbvi.edu/eye-conditions, IT considerations or Information Access considerations

Wayne: Will put updates out there.
... 90 percent functional limits.
... Certain clusters occur repeatedly.
... Will work on table.

Jim: that would be great.

<allanj> close item 5

<allanj> close item 6

<shawn> ACTION: shawn look at categories in Wayne's ontology with what we have so far [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/09-lvtf-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - Look at categories in wayne's ontology with what we have so far [on Shawn Henry - due 2015-12-16].

Review Perceptual Area of Overview

<allanj> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Overview_of_Low_Vision#Perceptual_Area_.28Field_Loss.29

Jim: likes the concept of Perceptual Area
... Pictures are useful to illustrate
... 1 question on of field loss and size limitations.

Wayne: think we need both.

<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say zoom & large text results in smaller amount of info..

Wayne: Wayne: 2 different kinds of accommodations.

Shawn: More than scrolling left or right.

<allanj> shawn: no field loss, but low acuity, then increase text size, then user has smaller viewport even if all text wraps. still have smaller viewport

Shawn: Issues can persist even with scrolling.

Wayne: under visual accuracy is limited content
... Perceptual areas does occur with tunnel vision.

<allanj> wayne: add restricted viewport to clarity section

review of Clarity in overview

<allanj> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Overview_of_Low_Vision#Clarity_.28Visual_acuity.29

Jim: I worked on this section. Came out late last night.
... Low vision is a continuum.

Wayne: This is good.

<allanj> ACTION: jim to add para to Clarity expanding magnification reduces perceptual area [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/09-lvtf-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-15 - Add para to clarity expanding magnification reduces perceptual area [on Jim Allan - due 2015-12-16].

<allanj> inverse square relationship, as magnification goes up, perceptual area is reduced

<shawn> I suggest that we do include info on legibility vs. readability -- I have some write up on that I'll stick in...

<shawn> good point, Jim!

Jim: Functional disease has nothing to do with your numbers.
... may want to bring that out here.
... functioning is separate and apart.

<shawn> thanks for scribing, Laura!

<allanj> visual functioning is different from disease, and acuity numbers

trackbot, end meeting

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