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15:25:46 <allanj> chair: Jim
15:27:47 <allanj> regrets: Andrew
15:29:33 <shawn> present+ Shawn
15:29:43 <shawn> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:29:43 <Zakim> Present: jim, Shawn, Jeanne, Laura, AWK, Erich_Manser, JohnR, WayneD, Katie, Haritos-Shea
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15:29:48 <shawn> present:
15:29:52 <shawn> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:29:52 <Zakim> Present: (no one)
15:29:54 <allanj> present+ jim
15:30:11 <shawn> present+ shawn
15:30:36 <shawn> agenda?
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15:30:53 <shawn> zakim, drop agenda 8
15:30:53 <Zakim> agendum 8, user needs section intros: descriptions or summaries, or both?, dropped
15:31:46 <AWK> +AWK
15:31:58 <allanj> present+ John
15:32:03 <Wayne> +wayne
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15:34:06 <JohnRochford> I love awards
15:35:11 <Wayne> how do I dial in or use webex. I have been trying for 15 minutes and I don't want to miss this meeting.
15:35:54 <shawn> s/how do I dial in or use webex. I have been trying for 15 minutes and I don't want to miss this meeting. /
15:35:58 <laura> present+ Laura
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15:37:25 <Ryladog> Present+ Katie Haritos-Shea
15:37:32 <Ryladog> trying to connect audio
15:37:50 <Wayne> could you dial me.
15:37:52 <Alan_Smith> Just joining in on irc. There are two different phone number acccess codes in last meeting invite and they both do not work
15:38:07 <Wayne> Wayne 562-256-4458
15:38:35 <Wayne> No 562 493 8210, I'm flustered
15:39:59 <Wayne> I hung up by accident.
15:40:41 <Alan_Smith> updating my calendar entry and downloading webex as this is first time I got in on new tablet.
15:42:04 <Ryladog> W3C number +1-617-324-0000  is "not in service"?
15:42:45 <shawn> katie - see my e-mail with passcode correction
15:42:51 <Ryladog> ok
15:42:55 <Ryladog> thanks
15:43:00 <shawn> meeting code correction
15:45:10 <Ryladog> Yes I am on that one but the audio does not work and the W3C call in number is out of service
15:45:28 <Alan_Smith> ok, what is correct phone number to dial in on.
15:48:51 <shawn> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:48:51 <Zakim> Present: jim, shawn, AWK, John, wayne, Laura, Katie, Haritos-Shea
15:49:04 <shawn> +alan
15:49:29 <Ryladog> Im in, user error, I was using the old W3C number
15:50:40 <shawn> present- Haritos-Shea
15:50:43 <laura> Scribe: Laura
15:50:46 <shawn> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:50:46 <Zakim> Present: jim, shawn, AWK, John, wayne, Laura, Katie, alan
15:50:51 <allanj> topic: Ontology
15:51:05 <allanj> https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/3
15:52:11 <laura> Wayne: Table from Texas School is inreresting.
15:52:54 <laura> Wayne: Observation functional limits come in clusters.
15:53:34 <laura> Wayne: Documenting how things work together. Completed functional limits.
15:53:47 <shawn> fyi http://www.tsbvi.edu/eye-conditions
15:54:00 <laura> … could prepare a table.
15:54:28 <allanj> ontology diagram - http://www.nosetothepage.org/WCAG/LVTF/Ontology/images/TopER.png
15:55:10 <allanj> +1 to table
15:55:11 <laura> …We want to look at functional limits not the medical model.
15:56:04 <laura> …tracked Macular Degeneration
15:58:50 <laura> …Main barriers: Legibility, readability, Layout and Viewport Capacity
15:59:37 <shawn> q+
15:59:38 <laura> …interested in pursuing further
16:00:06 <JohnRochford> q+
16:00:12 <laura> …has taken a lot of time.
16:00:29 <shawn> ack john
16:01:10 <allanj> john: ontology apply to mobile and non-mobile
16:01:23 <laura> John: Does it apply to mobile and non mobile?
16:01:36 <laura> wayne: yes and no
16:02:56 <laura> Wayne: same barriers in multiple ways.
16:03:22 <laura> John:  Could you explain way finding?
16:03:44 <laura> Wayne: getting around the screen.
16:04:39 <laura> …we could change the term for location proximity issues
16:04:56 <laura> Shawn: impressed
16:05:09 <allanj> ack shawn
16:05:29 <laura> Shawn: thinking about the terminology
16:06:32 <JohnRochford> Correction: John knows what wayfinding is, but wanted to know how Wayne was relating it to the ontology. Wayne explained he is using Wayfinding as an analogy.
16:06:34 <laura> Shawn: Regarding table, do we want to change the Texas table. Add a column.
16:07:01 <laura> Wayne: yes. That is the goal.
16:07:07 <allanj> +1 to changing third column on http://www.tsbvi.edu/eye-conditions, IT considerations or Information Access considerations
16:08:41 <laura> Wayne: Will put updates out there.
16:09:57 <laura> Wayne: 90 percent functional limits.
16:10:47 <laura> …Certain clusters occur repeatedly.
16:11:18 <shawn> s/do we want to change the Texas table. Add a column./Can we use first 2 columns - and change the last column to user interface or such?
16:11:49 <laura> Wayne: Will work on table.
16:12:25 <laura> Jim: that would be great.
16:13:10 <allanj> close item 5
16:13:17 <allanj> close item 6
16:13:35 <shawn> ACTION: shawn look at categories in Wayne's ontology with what we have so far
16:13:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - Look at categories in wayne's ontology with what we have so far [on Shawn Henry - due 2015-12-16].
16:14:14 <allanj> topic: Review Perceptual Area of Overview
16:14:27 <allanj> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Overview_of_Low_Vision#Perceptual_Area_.28Field_Loss.29
16:15:13 <laura> Jim: likes the concept of Perceptual Area
16:16:09 <laura> …Pictures are useful to illustrate
16:17:26 <shawn> q+
16:17:30 <laura> Jim: 1 question on  of field loss and size limitations.
16:17:55 <laura> Wayne: think we need both.
16:19:15 <shawn> q+ to say zoom & large text results in smaller amount of info..
16:19:17 <shawn> ack me
16:19:17 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say zoom & large text results in smaller amount of info..
16:19:18 <laura> …Wayne: 2 different kinds of accommodations.
16:19:45 <laura> Shawn: More than scrolling left or right.
16:20:41 <allanj> shawn: no field loss, but low acuity, then increase text size, then user has smaller viewport even if all text wraps. still have smaller viewport
16:20:46 <laura> Shawn: Issues can persist even with scrolling.
16:22:54 <laura> Wayne: under visual accuracy is limited content
16:23:03 <laura> …Perceptual areas does occur with tunnel vision.
16:23:26 <allanj> wayne: add restricted viewport to clarity section
16:23:44 <allanj> topic: review of Clarity in overview
16:23:56 <allanj> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Overview_of_Low_Vision#Clarity_.28Visual_acuity.29
16:25:09 <laura> Jim: I worked on this section. Came out late last night.
16:26:17 <laura> Jim: Low vision is a continuum.
16:27:06 <laura> Wayne: This is good.
16:27:53 <allanj> action: jim to add para to Clarity expanding magnification reduces perceptual area
16:27:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-15 - Add para to clarity expanding magnification reduces perceptual area [on Jim Allan - due 2015-12-16].
16:28:12 <jeanne> ack mi
16:28:40 <allanj> inverse square relationship, as magnification goes up, perceptual area is reduced
16:32:49 <shawn> I suggest that we do include info on legibility vs. readability -- I have some write up on that I'll stick in...
16:33:33 <shawn> good point, Jim!
16:33:42 <laura> Jim: Functional disease has nothing to do with your numbers.
16:34:00 <laura> …may want to bring that out here.
16:35:31 <laura> Jim: functioning is separate and apart.
16:35:31 <shawn> thanks for scribing, Laura!
16:35:40 <allanj> visual functioning is different from disease, and acuity numbers
16:36:28 <laura> rrsagent, make minutes
16:36:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/09-lvtf-minutes.html laura
16:37:30 <laura> trackbot, end meeting
16:37:30 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:37:30 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jim, shawn, AWK, John, wayne, Laura, Katie, Haritos-Shea, alan
16:37:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:37:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/09-lvtf-minutes.html trackbot
16:37:39 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:37:39 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/09-lvtf-actions.rdf :
16:37:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shawn look at categories in Wayne's ontology with what we have so far [1]
16:37:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/09-lvtf-irc#T16-13-35
16:37:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jim to add para to Clarity expanding magnification reduces perceptual area [2]
16:37:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/09-lvtf-irc#T16-27-53