07 Dec 2015

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Janina, MichaelC, Debbie_Dahl
Mike_P, Mary_Jo_Mueller, Kurt_Mattes
JohnRochford, Lisa_Seeman


<Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this

<Lisa_Seeman> scribe: JohnRochford

<Lisa_Seeman> next item

<Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page#Current_schedules

<JohnRochford_> Lisa: 28th of January, the first-working draft of the gap analysis is due

<JohnRochford_> Lisa: 3 subgroups are active

<JohnRochford_> Lisa: Neil, Mike, and Lisa are reviewing WCAG content

<JohnRochford_> Lisa: That's one subgroup.

<JohnRochford_> Lisa: Other 2 subgroups are 2) making the table for the gap analysis; and 3) writing the summary for the gap analysis

<Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/open

<JohnRochford_> Tony: Has some suggestions for gap analysis for numbers / Discalculia

<JohnRochford_> EA: Chaohai: Has API for symbols

<JohnRochford_> EA: Should be a symbol set available to prove system can work

<JohnRochford_> ddahl: Will integrate, hopefully this week, points about Voice ML made during a call, to the Voice ML issue paper

<Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page#What_are_we_working_on_now.3F

<JohnRochford_> Lisa: Are the related techniques we are recommending are right for EA's and Chaohai's work on the symbol-set integration system

<JohnRochford_> Chaohai: Will publish documentation to GitHub about how to use API

<JohnRochford_> Lisa: What we need is an answer to what a web developer needs to do to make the API work properly

<JohnRochford_> Chaohai: API provides a way to search for symbols via a lexical query

<JohnRochford_> EA: Commercial symbol sets don't reveal their meta data

<JohnRochford_> EA: We can release our framework, but until we get access to symbol sets, we can't show it can work

<JohnRochford_> Lisa: What steps can we take to move this forward, such as a demo?

<JohnRochford_> EA: Next step is to share documentation

<JohnRochford_> EA: We are working in Arabic and English

<JohnRochford_> Lisa: Watson may be able to help with lexical

<JohnRochford_> EA: We are working before Christmas to get as many symbols added as possible

<JohnRochford_> ddahl: There are a lot of parts-of-speech tagging tools available

<JohnRochford_> ddahl: Watson works only with English. Perhaps there is an open-source possibility for Arabic.

<JohnRochford_> Lisa: There has been a lot of work with Hebrew, which is quite similar to Arabic, on parts-of-speech tagging

<JohnRochford_> EA: We have double-checked our entries with an Arabic/English dictionary

<JohnRochford_> Lisa: Ready to move on to next topic?

<Lisa_Seeman> next item

tony's evaluation of numbers for GA

<Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/issue-papers/math.html

<JohnRochford_> Tony: There's something about memory impairments (Gives examples)

<JohnRochford_> Tony: A combination of sequence and memory with numbers on the web is problematic.

<JohnRochford_> Tony: With 2-factor authentication, recalling 6 digits, and in sequence, may be a problem

<JohnRochford_> Tony: If I think a specific example needs to be added to the security issue paper, I will ping John

<JohnRochford_> Tony: Would it be beneficial to say that multi-modal delivery of numbers, for people with Discalculia, could be beneficial?

<JohnRochford_> Tony: Audio delivery, for example, could be.

<Chaohai_Ding> STEMreader http://www.stemreader.org.uk/

<JohnRochford_> Lisa: People with Dyslexia may prefer numbers as words, e.g., "one" rather than "1".

<JohnRochford_> EA: TTS may require numbers rather than words representing numbers

<JohnRochford_> Tony: Multiple presentation options should be available.

<JohnRochford_> EA: Says "yes" to Lisa's question about whether or not Math ML has such problems.

<JohnRochford_> Tony: There are significant regional distinctions, within the same language, that causes problems with Math ML

<Lisa_Seeman> scribe: Lisa_Seeman

most important thing is to add all the diffrent aspects and considerations into the issue paper

and issues with diffrent proposed solution

Tony: decomposing number- the process of braking up a number

always need to add each step

Lisa: it bellongs in the issue paper

it might belong as a techneqe in the wacag proposal

tony to update the issue paper

ea: how far do we go with this topic

of decomposing - were it is resanble adjustment

lisa: in the wcag extention we need to add ecspetions

janina: the wider w3 need to be in n this conversation

<Tony_Doan> I need to drop off - sorry

at what point do we say we crossed the barrier of what we can do

michael: if you are targeting an audence you may go beyond, but wcag has the the concept that the guidlines apply to the audence

EA: it is situation specific

Lisa: sometimes though someone with adhymers can understand astrophisics if that was what thye have been doing for years.

it is the new interface mught though them

michael: guidlines might not handle this well,

auther needs to consider who they care about

lisa: not sure we will need to solve this and it is very grey

michael: user interfaces fetures need x level of support and content need y level support

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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