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<trackbot> Date: 21 October 2015
Steven: Welcome Mark
Mark: I'm in a noisy
environment
... I was a WG member some time ago, from the life assurance
industry. Now I'm in archeology, but still working with forms
and apps
... Steven asked me to get involved with the user group.
... I'm based in Edinburgh
http://xmlamsterdam.com/2015/pre-conference
Steven: still ongoing, looks good; you are all welcome! :-)
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2015Oct/0015.html
Steven: How easy is it to move? Copy and paste?
Erik: Yes, we can just create a
copy of the content, same wiki engine.
... moving the history would be hard
Steven: We'll make sure the old wiki remains
Nick: We would also have to
change the scripts to generate the specs
... that is not a trivial operation
... it may be just hardcoding the URL
... it needs looking at
Steven: Can I ask you to do that?
Nick: I have a big deadline at the moment
Steven: There's no rush for that at the moment.
Nick: After the deadline I'll take a look at him
<scribe> ACTION: Nick to look at scripts for generating spec, and change URL for source wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-forms-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2037 - Look at scripts for generating spec, and change url for source wiki [on Nick Van Den Bleeken - due 2015-10-28].
<scribe> ACTION: Steven to move content to new wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-forms-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2038 - Move content to new wiki [on Steven Pemberton - due 2015-10-28].
Steven: Mark is nominally chair of the Users Group
Mark: I think a list of
implementations would be a good first publication. I have made
a start
... removing dead projects.
... In November I'll have more time to work on it, but it would
be good to have information about how the implementations are
being used.
... I have a list based on what was sent me earlier
Steven: Do you have that list to hand?
Mark: I don't have it with me
Steven: Can you send it to us?
Mark: Sure.
<scribe> ACTION: Mark to send list of implementations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-forms-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> 'Mark' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., tingenek, mseaborn4).
<scribe> ACTION: MarkS to send list of implementations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-forms-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Error finding 'MarkS'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/xforms/users>.
<scribe> ACTION: mseaborn4 to send list of implementation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-forms-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2039 - Send list of implementation [on Mark Seaborne - due 2015-10-28].
Mark: I thought it would be good
to ocument some projects where XForms are used.
... It would be good to document the diversity of usage
... it is clearly still being used, and we should document
those.
Steven: How could we approach that? Send some examples?
Mark: Yes. Just a bald statement
of which projects we know about would be a good start, and we
could fill that in.
... It would be a good idea to put the XForms day on the wiki,
maybe I should that first.
... I shall do that.
Steven: Any other ideas from anybody?
Mark: Some design patterns, for managing common problems.
Philip: I agree. Two projects I'm involved with, you see a range of solving problems, I could get involved with providing some input for that.
Steven: Maybe if we all send a list of patterns and techniques we would like to see documented.
<nvdbleek> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2015Apr/0008
<nvdbleek> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Oct/0044.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Oct/0044.html
Nick: What do we do if XPath 2
produces different results? Do we need a way to switch to XPath
1 compatibility mode?
... We have a flag maybe in XForms 2.0 to use XPath 1, maybe,
let me check
<nvdbleek> https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XPath_Expressions_Module#xpath-version-attribute
Nick: Yes, there is a flag, see link
Steven: Would this solve it?
Nick: I think so.
Erik: I've never used XPath 1.0
with XForms! So I'm not quite sure what people expect, but it
would be good to have compatibility.
... So we allow the use of an XPath 1 implementation, or XPath
2 in compatibility mode. We should try to maximise the
compatibility.
... In XForms 2, we get type information from the instance, but
in XForms 1 we often have to cast to the type we want.
... my suggestion is that in XPath 2 backwards compatible mode
that we do NOT provide the type information, so that it would
be MORE backwards compatible
... and we shoukd add something to that effect
ACTION Erik; To add wording about XPath 2 backwards comaptibility mode not providing type information
<trackbot> Error finding 'Erik;'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/xforms/users>.
ACTION Eric; To add wording about XPath 2 backwards compatibility mode not providing type information
<trackbot> Error finding 'Eric;'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/xforms/users>.
<scribe> ACTION: Erik To add wording about XPath 2 backwards compatibility mode not providing type information [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-forms-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2040 - Add wording about xpath 2 backwards compatibility mode not providing type information [on Erik Bruchez - due 2015-10-28].
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Oct/0041.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Oct/0041.html
Steven: Did we deal with this?
Nick: I remember an action item
for it
... but I have an issue
... I sent a reply
... not sure if I can find it
Erik: It was about element creation, but this is a different issue
http://www.w3.org/2014/11/12-forms-minutes.html#item02
ACTION-1986?
<trackbot> ACTION-1986 -- Erik Bruchez to Investigate dealing with excess namespace nodes in section 3.2 the instance element -- due 2014-11-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/xforms/actions/1986
Steven: So I found the earlier discussion, and we didn't resolve it, which is why it's still here.
Erik: We have made the changes; "If the initial instance data is given by inline content, then instance data is obtained as follows:
A detached copy of the first child element of the instance element is created and placed within a new document node. The copied element becomes the root element of a new XML document.
If needed, namespace nodes are copied to that detached root element as described below."
<ebruchez> https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_2.0#The_instance_Element
Close ACTION-1986
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-1986.
Steven: So we are done; we solved it.
Erik: I don't know if this answers Alain's question
Alain: Yes
Steven: Then we are done for today.
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