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Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference

14 Oct 2015

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Attendees

Present
Janina, Tzviya_Siegman, Joanmarie_Diggs, fesch, JF, Katie, Haritos-Shea
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
fesch

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 14 October 2015

<scribe> scribe: fesch

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js: final prep for TPAC...
... MAUR call for consensus is out there expires tomorrow

ts: had face to face in NY, more alignment with open web platform,

<tzviya> minutes from EPUB 3.1 Face to face https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RCGR48EfxgfsIaqxGsW-LVzpa2XdQ0ILI8iIzysSEVk/edit?usp=sharing

ts: can ping me with questions

<Zakim> JF, you wanted to ask about the new role attributes

jf: on list a bunch of new aria roles vs rel attribute

ts: come to the dpub meeting tomorrow it is an hour long discussion

<MichaelC> +MichaelC

<MichaelC> +Rich

<jamesn> not west-coast friendly

rs: rel doesn't exist in SVG... does not map to aria

<MichaelC> +JohnF

<MichaelC> +Gottfried

<MichaelC> +JamesN

jf: not worried about mapping since mapping only applies to AT

rs: not true, it can affect navigation and in the case of dpub, we have roles but we have additional semantic info as to where they go
... coga group already decided that they would use aria for destination semantics
... suggesting coga pick a few for inclusion in ARIA 1.1, in coga they are largely used for styling, dpub might use this for styling too

jf: I will come to dpub meeting tomorrow

rs: rel is a dumping ground, MSAA had an issue...

js: this isn't new, have been looking at it for a while

jn: dpub decided a way to do stuff, that may be the wrong thing to do at this point

rs: they discussed them...

jn: aria-destination doesn't exist anywhere right?

jf: why we meet at PF we take the long view, if we need to add to agenda for PF

<JF> request that this beomces an agenda item for a future PF meeting

Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open

action-1669

<trackbot> action-1669 -- Katie Haritos-Shea to Look at data on the web best practices http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp/ -- due 2015-09-16 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1669

<Ryladog_> +Katie Haritos-Shea

<MichaelC> action-1669 due 1 week

<trackbot> Set action-1669 Look at data on the web best practices http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp/ due date to 2015-10-21.

kh: make due next week

new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html

no new working drafts... are we going to be tracking crytpo... ARIA in HTML, repeating document... selection...

mc: nothing for us

Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/

mc: nothing new

zakim close this item

MAUR Note CfC http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Oct/0049.html

js: can take up editing with Shane
... may make a big change in appendix B

js; should that list include commenters

mc: I add them in a separate list

js: any other comments?

HTML 5.1 Alt Edits -- https://w3c.github.io/alt-techniques/

js: redafting about alts, please provide feedback on it
... will probably keep open past TPAC

Rechartering Progress

js: getting close, current status

<JF> jamesn I'm going to go to the dPub call tomorrow morning. Glad to hear I'm not the only one who thinks this is a little too knee-jerk. When your favorite tool is an ARIA hammer, every problem looks like an ARIA nail/ jamesn I'm going to go to the dPub call tomorrow morning. Glad to hear I'm not the only one who thinks this is a little too knee-jerk. When your favorite tool is an ARIA hammer, every problem looks like an ARIA nail

<Zakim> JF, you wanted to ask about whe (if?) we will start calling PF "APA"

TPAC Update

js: there is an agenda for ARIA and APA,, fairly well formed

rs: we are going to be ARIA 2.0, a community group, and getting stuff to CR, roles for twitter, facebook...

js: APA talking with CSS, unclear how many can join
... not sure how much will participate on Friday
... remaining agenda - expectations on APA will be different than PF
... good thinking on spec review in when they come out quickly (every day)
... one activity will be R&D task force - Marc Hakken, want time for that
... last session on Thursday, captcha, MAUR...
... anything we are missing?

mc: meeting planners are going to be labeling the meeting room for PF, look at separate agendas for ARIA and APA for that room

zs: what will Marc and Jason be looking at in R&D?

ARIA.Next Items

rs: if you want to get back to rel vs aria-destination - the floor is open

rel vs the world

jf: I think it is a bigger issues, we are looking at expanding - we have heard from user agents that aria goes to AT
... we already have a mechanism, for doing this

rs: the coga people want to use the markup to drive styling.
... info is cross-cutting, why wouldn't AT want to not know the destination... that info is important to the user as it is AT.
... we want to map into accessibility service layers, but ALSO consistent styling for COGA, digital books...
... were looking at special roles - so we asked why do we need a special role - they have need to know what the destination is.
... coga wants to map to consistent styling, not AT
... we are also trying to meet the timeframe for DPUB
... the problem with rel, is it isn't limited, adds a level of confusion, also needs for SVG and SVG is going into digital books,
... if we want it for assitstive technologies, rel is not in the accessibility APIs

jf: we have heard repeatedly that ARIA attributes should not impact the GUI, rel is what you want to use, just by having a prefix to the attribute you fix the confusion problem

rs: we aren't asking the browsers venders to do anythings

<tzviya> http://www.w3.org/2015/09/03-dpub-aria-minutes.html#item02

ts: there may be confusion on what DPUB asked for.
... so may want to go over this in tomorrows meeting...

<tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/96

Summary of Action Items

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