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02 Oct 2015

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Attendees

Present
Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Ayelet_Seeman
Regrets
Chair
Lisa_Seeman
Scribe
ddahl, Lisa_Seeman

Contents


<Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this

<Lisa_Seeman> ACTION: mary jo to add points from her review of personlisation to issue papers such as adding to multi modal the need to access correct part, replay, and familuer interface? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/02-coga-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Error finding 'mary'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/users>.

<Lisa_Seeman> ACTION: Mary Jo Mueller to add points from her review of personlisation to issue papers such as adding to multi modal the need to access correct part, replay, and familuer interface? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/02-coga-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Error finding 'Mary'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/users>.

<Lisa_Seeman> ACTION: MaryJo to add points from her review of personlisation to issue papers such as adding to multi modal the need to access correct part, replay, and familuer interface? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/02-coga-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-137 - Add points from her review of personlisation to issue papers such as adding to multi modal the need to access correct part, replay, and familuer interface? [on Mary Jo Mueller - due 2015-10-09].

<Lisa_Seeman> ACTION: EA to add points from her to issue papers such as adding to multi modal the issue to go back to the last point, index and have deviders. what makes audio and vidie useable [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/02-coga-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-138 - Add points from her to issue papers such as adding to multi modal the issue to go back to the last point, index and have deviders. what makes audio and vidie useable [on E.A. Draffan - due 2015-10-09].

<Lisa_Seeman> (action were not put in correctly last week

<Lisa_Seeman> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20151026&p1=248&p2=110&p3=136&p4=43

<Lisa_Seeman> scribe: ddahl

<Lisa_Seeman> next item

actions

lisa: voice issues
... we can address that with the people on the call
... also the semantics for ARIA

action-109?

<trackbot> action-109 -- Deborah Dahl to to review and gap annalise on voice ml -- due 2015-06-15 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/109

<Lisa_Seeman> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015Oct/0003.html

debbie: I think I addressed that in the html in my email

lisa: we can give it 20 minutes

action-124?

<trackbot> action-124 -- Deborah Dahl to Summarize relivent existing standards and best practices for voice -- due 2015-08-03 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/124

debbie: I think we can just refer to some of the main literature for that
... my html document addresses that
... this replaces the issue paper
... we have ETSI standard and the AVIXD wiki
... the ETSI one won't change

<Lisa_Seeman> scribe: Lisa_Seeman

debbie: some stuctural issues such as voice and menu sysemt overlap

excutive function will effect the planning - when t act and when to press

when to wight

weight

EA:

delay is an issue

they do not hear imediate feedback and then repress key

<scribe> ACTION: ddahl to add updates form conversation to voice and menu systems [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/02-coga-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-139 - Add updates form conversation to voice and menu systems [on Deborah Dahl - due 2015-10-09].

debbie: will eveyone relise how to treat an automated system

lisa: any extra infomation is ad practice
... are there anything that we identified that were not in the best practices

?

ddahl: they are included, and also the need to not teach anyone a new language beyond getting to an operater

a need to call out where issues need more attention

<scribe> ACTION: lisa to add to gap analisis more work needed looking into menus and voice for limited speach with natrial languge [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/02-coga-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-140 - Add to gap analisis more work needed looking into menus and voice for limited speach with natrial languge [on Lisa Seeman - due 2015-10-09].

ddhal: viual ivr is a helpful technology

EA: have prepered sentences before you call

but personal is at a high level

timed out is a huge issue

although security needs to be adressed

<scribe> scribe: ddahl

ambiguity in adaptable syntax in ARIA for links and buttons

lisa: why wasn't personalization working on "contact us" button? it turned out that it was a link
... three ways to resolve, (1) if you put "contact us", it has to be on a link
... that made me nervous; there are lots of things that can go wrong if people do it wrong

<ayelet_seeman> I think it was the "contact us" box

lisa: (2) we divide aria-function into aria-destination and @@ people would be less likely to do the wrong thing
... so you could reuse the same content with different functions
... rich said that this would explode into a million taxonomies, so this was rejected
... (3) there's a different syntax for different fields. I thought it would make the aria names quite long

<Lisa_Seeman> aria-funtion=destionation-homepage

<Lisa_Seeman> aria-function=feild-home

rich: a problem is that you can have some of these things inside of a grid
... I'm concerned about using the word "field"
... you're trying to say it's like a parameter

lisa: asks what ontology are you in --
... which approach do we like

<Lisa_Seeman> ac r

rich: we're dealing with some of this in the digital publishing, e.g.e "biblio-ref" that takes you to the bibliography
... maybe you need to say that something is intended for a destination
... would like "aria-destination" and expand on the semantics
... this is going to take some thought
... if you have an attribute in the taxonomy that's more intuitive for authors
... also have to think about where you limit functions to?

lisa: aria-function should be split into aria-destination, etc.
... is that what you're saying

rich: yes

ayelet: it concerns me when people try to have multiple things for the same element
... people might put multiple attributes on the same element and it will be treated incorrectly

lisa: this will never be foolproof

<richardschwerdtfeger> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/dpub.html

<richardschwerdtfeger> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/dpub.html#dpub-biblioref

rich: this is a link that's going to a bibliography reference
... you'd like to know that this is the destination
... this is better than having a whole collection of roles

<ayelet_seeman> <a href="_contactUs.html" aria-field="contact us" aria-destination="contact us" aria-region="contact us">

rich: this is an alternate way, you're getting role creep

<ayelet_seeman> developers might think they need to insert multiple aria-functions simultaneously, causing it to be implemented incorrectly

lisa: chaohai, which proposal do you feel is best?
... ayelet, you're saying that destination=homepage would be best?

ayelet: you have more experience than me with the mistakes developers make

lisa: this could be handled with tooling
... but not with option 1 -- tooling could help with option 2 or option 3

ayelet: the concern is that they would put multiple attributes in the same element

<Chaohai_Ding> Sorry for the connection issues, the audio is just coming back.

lisa: we can't think of something that can be more than one thing at the same time

<Lisa_Seeman> Aria-action

<Lisa_Seeman> Aria-destination

<Lisa_Seeman> Aria-field

<Lisa_Seeman> And role (aria-region )

<Lisa_Seeman> scribe: Lisa_Seeman

can we vote

<richardschwerdtfeger> Option 2 but not sure about aria-field

lisa voats option 1

lisa voats option 2

<Chaohai_Ding> chaohai vote option 2

<ddahl> vote option 3

ayelet votes 3

rich votes option 2

<Tony_Doran> option 2

<Tony_Doran> I need to drop off, sorry

resolved: option 2

ea and mike are unsure

abstain

tuesday will be the tpac call

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20151026&p1=248&p2=110&p3=136&p4=43

<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Meetings/TPAC2015/ARIA

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: ddahl to add updates form conversation to voice and menu systems [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/02-coga-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: EA to add points from her to issue papers such as adding to multi modal the issue to go back to the last point, index and have deviders. what makes audio and vidie useable [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/02-coga-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: lisa to add to gap analisis more work needed looking into menus and voice for limited speach with natrial languge [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/02-coga-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Mary Jo Mueller to add points from her review of personlisation to issue papers such as adding to multi modal the need to access correct part, replay, and familuer interface? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/02-coga-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: mary jo to add points from her review of personlisation to issue papers such as adding to multi modal the need to access correct part, replay, and familuer interface? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/02-coga-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: MaryJo to add points from her review of personlisation to issue papers such as adding to multi modal the need to access correct part, replay, and familuer interface? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/10/02-coga-minutes.html#action03]
 
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