See also: IRC log
<Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this
<Lisa_Seeman> scribe: ayelet_s
<Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/open
E.A: wasn't sure what symbols John was
referring to, as they already have free symbols online
... are in the process of mapping the different symbols
JR: was going to first look at open source symbols, so would be glad not to have what to do.
LS: do the symbols include symbols like save?
EAD: had separated communication symbols from icons.
LS: John is making icons for buttons, so that Ayelet and Chaohai have what to link to with the aria
EA: will send e-mail to group about the noun project
JR: will first look at the noun project. had agreed to also write/find the tooltips and the longer help text.
<Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Providing_graded_help
<Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Interoperable_preference
<Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Personalization_criteria
LS: over the last 2 weeks, we
found we didn't do as much as we thought we had, and we took
another jab at it. there are some holes.
... one question is how to avoid restricted text. one
suggestion is alternative text, and the other is an alternative
text
... and the question is how to support it
... would someone want to work with me (LS) or by themselves on
this, or would we rather list them as gaps?
AS: agreed to work on it with LS
<Lisa_Seeman> ACTION: Aylelet and lisa find gaps and put together plan for personizationcryteria and guided help support [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/13-coga-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Error finding 'Aylelet'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/users>.
continuing to review action items
LS: Issues from the list
... changing DS to ID, is unsure whether we passed a resolution
regarding the user research. is slightly concerned as it is a
real change
<Lisa_Seeman> https://w3c.github.io/wcag/coga/user-research.html#down-syndrome
LS: Debra Rue is fine with it, but the content, certainly the beginning section, is very DS
John: Has spent a lot of time
adding content for ID, keeping the DS as an example
... basically already spent the time LS was concerned it will
take
AS: +1
EAD: agrees with it
<JohnRochford> Ayelet, would you please document that decision?
resolution: changing the DS user research to ID
thanks John
LS: to change our name, we need
to recharter the task force. Changing was discussed earlier
regarding LD, which was a problem as it means different things
in different countries.
... cognitive impairments could mean specific things to some
people (such as MCI, a prestage of dementia). renaming
ourselves is more complicated.
... neurodiversity is part of a political movement that is
compatible with COGA, but is political
EAD: supports having it as an open issue. unfortunately, labeling is sometimes needed in order to provide help needed
MC: the W3C process isn't very complicated, the question should be who are we limiting and who are we including
JR: suggests cognitive impairment without the LD
LS: someone with ADHD for example, might not consider themselves cognitively impaired
<janina> "Cognitive Accessibility" is how we got COGA
NM: suggested just cognitive accessibility
EAD, AS liked it
LS: might seem related to cognitive computing or something else, and may offend some people
JR: whatever we do will offend or disinclude some people, and we need to be able to function anyway
<janina> The original use of "Accessibility" in IT had to do with being able to reach any telephone, anywhere, on any telco's system
<janina> Strong +1 to John
JR: we may as well do what's better for us
<janina> I'm concerned about neologisms
NM: many terms mean multiple things, including the term "accessibility" itself
<janina> Strong +1 to Michael
<janina> "Impairments" isn't traditional W3C/WAI usage, though
MC: doesn't think the task forces' name shouldn't necessarily be the highest priority
<janina> I would expect some pushback on that name change for the TF
<janina> It focueses on problems, not solutions
suggestion 1: cognitive impairments task force
LS: we are about to deliver some
important deliverables, so now is a good time to change the
name
... prefers cognitive accessibility
Janina: we have a long name, as well as a short one
resolution: will be put to the list
<neilmilliken> I have to go
LS: also suggests not spending much time undoing what we did
This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.140 of Date: 2014-11-06 18:16:30 Check for newer version at http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00) Found Scribe: ayelet_s Inferring ScribeNick: ayelet_s WARNING: No "Topic:" lines found. Present: Janina Ayelet_Seeman Neil_Milliken John_Rochford Chaohai_Ding Lisa_Seeman E._A._Draffan MichaelC Regrets: Michael_Pluke Deborah_Dahl Anthony_Doran Tim_Boland WARNING: No meeting title found! You should specify the meeting title like this: <dbooth> Meeting: Weekly Baking Club Meeting WARNING: No meeting chair found! You should specify the meeting chair like this: <dbooth> Chair: dbooth Got date from IRC log name: 13 Jul 2015 Guessing minutes URL: http://www.w3.org/2015/07/13-coga-minutes.html People with action items: aylelet WARNING: No "Topic: ..." lines found! Resulting HTML may have an empty (invalid) <ol>...</ol>. Explanation: "Topic: ..." lines are used to indicate the start of new discussion topics or agenda items, such as: <dbooth> Topic: Review of Amy's report[End of scribe.perl diagnostic output]