IRC log of coga on 2015-07-13

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15:04:54 [Lisa_Seeman]
zakim, this will be WAI_CogTF
15:04:54 [Zakim]
I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Lisa_Seeman
15:07:45 [Lisa_Seeman]
regrets: Michael Pluke , Deborah Dahl , Anthony Doran , Tim Boland,
15:07:47 [Lisa_Seeman]
zakim, this will be WAI_CogTF
15:07:47 [Zakim]
I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Lisa_Seeman
15:09:11 [Lisa_Seeman]
agenda: this
15:09:12 [Lisa_Seeman]
agenda+ review actions, and timelines
15:09:14 [Lisa_Seeman]
agenda+ terms, and DS - open issues section on home page
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agenda+ Issue papers - GA
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agenda+ Techniques - GA
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agenda+ Next ftf ideas (TPAC and Katie suggestion)agenda+ Other issue papers
15:09:20 [Lisa_Seeman]
agenda+ be done
15:50:50 [JohnRochford]
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16:09:36 [Lisa_Seeman]
scribe: ayelet_s
16:10:17 [Lisa_Seeman]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/open
16:12:08 [janina]
present+ Janina
16:13:44 [ayelet_s]
E.A: wasn't sure what symbols John was referring to, as they already have free symbols online
16:14:00 [ayelet_s]
... are in the process of mapping the different symbols
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JR: was going to first look at open source symbols, so would be glad not to have what to do.
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16:15:12 [ayelet_s]
LS: do the symbols include symbols like save?
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EAD: had separated communication symbols from icons.
16:17:24 [ayelet_s]
LS: John is making icons for buttons, so that Ayelet and Chaohai have what to link to with the aria
16:18:32 [ayelet_s]
EA: will send e-mail to group about the noun project
16:19:14 [ayelet_s]
JR: will first look at the noun project. had agreed to also write/find the tooltips and the longer help text.
16:21:12 [ayelet_s]
present+ Ayelet_Seeman, Neil Milliken, John Rochford, Chaohai Ding, Lisa Seeman, E. A. Draffan
16:22:08 [Lisa_Seeman]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Providing_graded_help
16:22:16 [Lisa_Seeman]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Interoperable_preference
16:23:15 [Lisa_Seeman]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Personalization_criteria
16:24:00 [ayelet_s]
LS: over the last 2 weeks, we found we didn't do as much as we thought we had, and we took another jab at it. there are some holes.
16:24:55 [ayelet_s]
... one question is how to avoid restricted text. one suggestion is alternative text, and the other is an alternative text
16:25:09 [ayelet_s]
... and the question is how to support it
16:25:49 [ayelet_s]
... would someone want to work with me (LS) or by themselves on this, or would we rather list them as gaps?
16:27:39 [ayelet_s]
AS: agreed to work on it with LS
16:28:31 [Lisa_Seeman]
action: Aylelet and lisa find gaps and put together plan for personizationcryteria and guided help support
16:28:31 [trackbot]
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16:29:22 [ayelet_s]
continuing to review action items
16:35:08 [ayelet_s]
LS: Issues from the list
16:36:43 [ayelet_s]
... changing DS to ID, is unsure whether we passed a resolution regarding the user research. is slightly concerned as it is a real change
16:36:48 [Lisa_Seeman]
https://w3c.github.io/wcag/coga/user-research.html#down-syndrome
16:36:51 [Lisa_Seeman]
q?
16:37:34 [ayelet_s]
LS: Debra Rue is fine with it, but the content, certainly the beginning section, is very DS
16:38:06 [ayelet_s]
John: Has spent a lot of time adding content for ID, keeping the DS as an example
16:39:12 [ayelet_s]
... basically already spent the time LS was concerned it will take
16:39:21 [Lisa_Seeman]
q?
16:39:22 [ayelet_s]
AS: +1
16:40:07 [ayelet_s]
EAD: agrees with it
16:42:10 [JohnRochford]
Ayelet, would you please document that decision?
16:43:09 [ayelet_s]
resolution: changing the DS user research to ID
16:43:20 [ayelet_s]
thanks John
16:44:22 [MichaelC]
q+
16:45:02 [ayelet_s]
LS: to change our name, we need to recharter the task force. Changing was discussed earlier regarding LD, which was a problem as it means different things in different countries.
16:46:22 [ayelet_s]
... cognitive impairments could mean specific things to some people (such as MCI, a prestage of dementia). renaming ourselves is more complicated.
16:47:47 [ayelet_s]
... neurodiversity is part of a political movement that is compatible with COGA, but is political
16:48:29 [Lisa_Seeman]
q?
16:49:23 [ayelet_s]
EAD: supports having it as an open issue. unfortunately, labeling is sometimes needed in order to provide help needed
16:50:21 [ayelet_s]
MC: the W3C process isn't very complicated, the question should be who are we limiting and who are we including
16:51:11 [ayelet_s]
JR: suggests cognitive impairment without the LD
16:52:26 [ayelet_s]
LS: someone with ADHD for example, might not consider themselves cognitively impaired
16:52:29 [janina]
"Cognitive Accessibility" is how we got COGA
16:52:50 [ayelet_s]
NM: suggested just cognitive accessibility
16:53:20 [ayelet_s]
EAD, AS liked it
16:54:04 [ayelet_s]
LS: might seem related to cognitive computing or something else, and may offend some people
16:55:04 [ayelet_s]
JR: whatever we do will offend or disinclude some people, and we need to be able to function anyway
16:55:15 [janina]
The original use of "Accessibility" in IT had to do with being able to reach any telephone, anywhere, on any telco's system
16:55:32 [janina]
Strong +1 to John
16:55:35 [ayelet_s]
JR: we may as well do what's better for us
16:56:27 [janina]
I'm concerned about neologisms
16:56:36 [ayelet_s]
NM: many terms mean multiple things, including the term "accessibility" itself
16:57:11 [janina]
Strong +1 to Michael
16:57:37 [janina]
"Impairments" isn't traditional W3C/WAI usage, though
16:57:52 [ayelet_s]
MC: doesn't think the task forces' name shouldn't necessarily be the highest priority
17:00:00 [janina]
I would expect some pushback on that name change for the TF
17:00:08 [janina]
It focueses on problems, not solutions
17:00:08 [ayelet_s]
suggestion 1: cognitive impairments task force
17:01:37 [ayelet_s]
LS: we are about to deliver some important deliverables, so now is a good time to change the name
17:02:14 [ayelet_s]
... prefers cognitive accessibility
17:03:02 [ayelet_s]
Janina: we have a long name, as well as a short one
17:04:26 [ayelet_s]
resolution: will be put to the list
17:04:32 [neilmilliken]
I have to go
17:05:27 [ayelet_s]
LS: also suggests not spending much time undoing what we did
17:05:31 [MichaelC]
present+ MichaelC
17:06:45 [Lisa_Seeman]
rrsagent, make logs public
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rrsagent, create minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/13-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
17:07:23 [Lisa_Seeman]
zakim, please part
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17:07:28 [Lisa_Seeman]
rrsagent, please part
17:07:28 [RRSAgent]
I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/13-coga-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Aylelet and lisa find gaps and put together plan for personizationcryteria and guided help support [1]
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