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15:04:54 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, this will be  WAI_CogTF
15:04:54 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Lisa_Seeman
15:07:45 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets: Michael Pluke , Deborah Dahl  , Anthony Doran , Tim Boland,
15:07:47 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, this will be  WAI_CogTF
15:07:47 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Lisa_Seeman
15:09:11 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this
15:09:12 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  review actions, and timelines
15:09:14 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ terms, and DS - open issues section on home page
15:09:16 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  Issue papers - GA
15:09:17 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  Techniques -  GA
15:09:19 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  Next ftf ideas (TPAC and Katie suggestion)agenda+  Other issue papers
15:09:20 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ be done
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16:09:36 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: ayelet_s
16:10:17 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/open
16:12:08 <janina> present+ Janina
16:13:44 <ayelet_s> E.A: wasn't sure what symbols John was referring to, as they already have  free symbols online
16:14:00 <ayelet_s> ... are in the process of mapping the different symbols
16:14:50 <ayelet_s> JR: was going to first look at open source symbols, so would be glad not to have what to do.
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16:15:12 <ayelet_s> LS: do the symbols include symbols like save?
16:16:26 <ayelet_s> EAD: had separated communication symbols from icons.
16:17:24 <ayelet_s> LS: John is making icons for buttons, so that Ayelet and Chaohai have what to link to with the aria
16:18:32 <ayelet_s> EA: will send e-mail to group about the noun project
16:19:14 <ayelet_s> JR: will first look at the noun project. had agreed to also write/find the tooltips and the longer help text.
16:21:12 <ayelet_s> present+ Ayelet_Seeman, Neil Milliken, John Rochford, Chaohai Ding, Lisa Seeman, E. A. Draffan
16:22:08 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Providing_graded_help
16:22:16 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Interoperable_preference
16:23:15 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Personalization_criteria
16:24:00 <ayelet_s> LS: over the last 2 weeks, we found we didn't do as much as we thought we had, and we took another jab at it. there are some holes.
16:24:55 <ayelet_s> ... one question is how to avoid restricted text. one suggestion is alternative text, and the other is an alternative text
16:25:09 <ayelet_s> ... and the question is how to support it
16:25:49 <ayelet_s> ... would someone want to work with me (LS) or by themselves on this, or would we rather list them as gaps?
16:27:39 <ayelet_s> AS: agreed to work on it with LS
16:28:31 <Lisa_Seeman> action: Aylelet and lisa find gaps and put together plan for personizationcryteria and guided help support
16:28:31 <trackbot> Error finding 'Aylelet'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/users>.
16:29:22 <ayelet_s> continuing to review action items
16:35:08 <ayelet_s> LS: Issues from the list
16:36:43 <ayelet_s> ... changing DS to ID, is unsure whether we passed a resolution regarding the user research. is slightly concerned as it is a real change
16:36:48 <Lisa_Seeman> https://w3c.github.io/wcag/coga/user-research.html#down-syndrome
16:36:51 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:37:34 <ayelet_s> LS: Debra Rue is fine with it, but the content, certainly the beginning section, is very DS
16:38:06 <ayelet_s> John: Has spent a lot of time adding content for ID, keeping the DS as an example
16:39:12 <ayelet_s> ... basically already spent the time LS was concerned it will take
16:39:21 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:39:22 <ayelet_s> AS: +1
16:40:07 <ayelet_s> EAD: agrees with it
16:42:10 <JohnRochford> Ayelet, would you please document that decision?
16:43:09 <ayelet_s> resolution: changing the DS user research to ID
16:43:20 <ayelet_s> thanks John
16:44:22 <MichaelC> q+
16:45:02 <ayelet_s> LS: to change our name, we need to recharter the task force. Changing was discussed earlier regarding LD, which was a problem as it means different things in different countries.
16:46:22 <ayelet_s> ... cognitive impairments could mean specific things to some people (such as MCI, a prestage of dementia). renaming ourselves is more complicated.
16:47:47 <ayelet_s> ... neurodiversity is part of a political movement that is compatible with COGA, but is political
16:48:29 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:49:23 <ayelet_s> EAD: supports having it as an open issue. unfortunately, labeling is sometimes needed in order to provide help needed
16:50:21 <ayelet_s> MC: the W3C process isn't very complicated, the question should be who are we limiting and who are we including
16:51:11 <ayelet_s> JR: suggests cognitive impairment without the LD
16:52:26 <ayelet_s> LS: someone with ADHD for example, might not consider themselves cognitively impaired
16:52:29 <janina> "Cognitive Accessibility" is how we got COGA
16:52:50 <ayelet_s> NM: suggested just cognitive accessibility
16:53:20 <ayelet_s> EAD, AS liked it
16:54:04 <ayelet_s> LS: might seem related to cognitive computing or something else, and may offend some people
16:55:04 <ayelet_s> JR: whatever we do will offend or disinclude some people, and we need to be able to function anyway
16:55:15 <janina> The original use of "Accessibility" in IT had to do with being able to reach any telephone, anywhere, on any telco's system
16:55:32 <janina> Strong +1 to John
16:55:35 <ayelet_s> JR: we may as well do what's better for us
16:56:27 <janina> I'm concerned about neologisms
16:56:36 <ayelet_s> NM: many terms mean multiple things, including the term "accessibility" itself
16:57:11 <janina> Strong +1 to Michael
16:57:37 <janina> "Impairments" isn't traditional W3C/WAI usage, though
16:57:52 <ayelet_s> MC: doesn't think the task forces' name shouldn't necessarily be the highest priority
17:00:00 <janina> I would expect some pushback on that name change for the TF
17:00:08 <janina> It focueses on problems, not solutions
17:00:08 <ayelet_s> suggestion 1: cognitive impairments task force
17:01:37 <ayelet_s> LS: we are about to deliver some important deliverables, so now is a good time to change the name
17:02:14 <ayelet_s> ... prefers cognitive accessibility
17:03:02 <ayelet_s> Janina: we have a long name, as well as a short one
17:04:26 <ayelet_s> resolution: will be put to the list
17:04:32 <neilmilliken> I have to go
17:05:27 <ayelet_s> LS: also suggests not spending much time undoing what we did
17:05:31 <MichaelC> present+ MichaelC
17:06:45 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, make logs public
17:06:52 <Lisa_Seeman>  rrsagent, create minutes
17:06:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/13-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
17:07:23 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, please part
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17:07:28 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, please part
17:07:28 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/13-coga-actions.rdf :
17:07:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Aylelet and lisa find gaps and put together plan for personizationcryteria and guided help support [1]
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