<trackbot> Date: 11 May 2015

<LJWatson> [IPcaller] is me

<scribe> scribe: jamesn

webex

js: w3c will be decomissioning zakim at end of june at the latest
... for timebeing will be moving to webex
... we are asked to transition to that and make sure done soon
... most groups have a surprise
... trial in a week without a critical agenda
... maybe try next week or week after
... will be aconference code for this call. It will stay the same week to week but have no control over the 9 digit code
... several ways to access
... android, iOS and windows mobile clients are reasonably accessible
... browser plugins are not very accessible
... there is also a direct dial 617 access number
... the international numbers do not work for the MIT service
... once you use the mobile or web interface you can either use the client directly to access the voip or you can ask to be called at any numnber internationally
... that is pretty much it
... will continue to use irc
... includes zakim for agenda and queues but to tie-in
... need to type presence into zakim when join
... present+ james_Nurthen for example
... worth doing early as may take some getting used to

mk: lets do ASAP to get the hiccups worked out early'

js: once we have the conference code there will be a page for this meeting
... best via email
... not sure if there was a callout over skype or sip
... dial in number will change

jn: if you need a client then download it in advance

js: they have also promised better accessibility of the web plugins etc.

jn: mail will be sent later this week with all the details

Discuss goals for next working draft

mk: on the current draft which we hurried at the end
... we wiped out all the bugs on the simple patterns with the exceptions of listbox and autocomplete but what we didn't do were examples for all of them. The plan for last fall was to go through all the basic widgets then move to the more omplex
... didnt talk about example dev in priorities
... good to do in parallel with other work and can review as they come up
... but should set up a target for examples for the next working draft
... get the examples for the pattern that we documented in this working draft. while working on those examples can work on the doc side of the next 8-10 patterns
... maybe some who have focus on doc could switch focus to examples for next working draft

jn: work for MC

mk: thought was easier after first one

js: up to group to decide how often to publish heartbeats
... no need for call for consensus formally but in PF we do. HTML don't have call for consensus for a heartbeat
... you can decide how many uptakes etc are enough to be sufficient
... they could be relatively minor

mk: wish we could go to automated heartbeats

js: there will be a conversation about auto publication
... michael thinks there are some gaps in the tooling
... do we want to not have CFC's for heartbeats
... that is to be decided after the charter is in place

mk: I would like to get a heartbeat out sooner than thanksgiving

jn: no objections if the work for michael is not too much

mk: would like something meaningful by the4 end of the summer

jn: every 3 months heartbeat
... end of july target last edits
... aim for heartbeats every 3 monthsw

mk: keep priority of working though patterns
... there are still some logical levels of complexity to work through
... i think i have aleraqdy done some work in prioritising
... put out for review to suggestr the next 6-8 patterns
... ALSo some other sections being referenced and do something with those in the next update
... feel like going in with a knife and taking care of the old primer content

jn: no objections from me

lw: +1

mk: would be great to get Ian to help on some of these
... if it goes well could have basic patterns covered

jg: want to work on more examples - let me know what are the priorities

mk: any that we have finished the reviews are candidaTES

jg: if you like the examples i have done i will get Jemma to work on some of them
... also someone else has stuff we might be able to use

jn: will work on a wiki page to track the practicves

Slider examples from John http://jongund.github.io/aria-examples/slider/slider-2.html

jg: been updating what the AT does
... horizontal read as left-right slider in JAWS

(discussion of the examples and how they are reading)

(editorial discussions)

bg: IE11 is ignoring the valuetext and speaking the valuenow

mk: is there some way we can make it really easy to just pull out the code for one of these sliders if they wanted to pull out the source code

jg: the vertical slider css and js are different from the text slider
... the js in in seperate files for each type of slider
... i want the examples to be standalone
... so i can use them in training

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