<trackbot> Date: 16 March 2015

<Tony_Doran> Is anyone having issues with the con call?

<slee> Lisa_Seeman: joining now - sorry late

<Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this

<Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Syntax_for_adaptable_symbols_for_links_and_buttons

Lisa: Leoni had a lovely presentation she sent to the list, and I put out an issue paper for syntax and adaptable symbols.
... For COGA users, familiarity is a big deal.

<slee> JohnRochford: how do we help make new things familiar?

Lisa: Symbols and buttons need to be consistent.
... A type of ARIA button could be composed, and users could choose their preference.
... Interoperable symbol sets could be used.
... Adaptive interfaces could cut down a lot of junk.
... Have important features at top for everyone to find.

Leoni: Trying to find solutions to complex web widgets, which are often different, and don't have help features.

<LJWatson> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/573324/presentations/CSUN2015/INotifier/index.html

Leoni: Alt+F1 suggested.

<slee> That's the link I also sent to the list

Leoni: I could get into technicalities of how this could work.

slee: Perhaps the help could be associated with help other than text help, such as in the DOM.

Lisa: The aged are going to have difficulty with inconsistent interfaces along with comorbid trouble, such as poor eye sight.

<ea> They do not waste time staying on a site they cannot access - same for elderly with visual difficulties - give up!

Lisa: How is the help implemented: cloud, client, or server?

Leoni: It's implemented through HTML, JASON, etc. - up to the developer.
... JASON file is where the keys are mapped to the help information.

Lisa: Anybody have comments about symbols paper?

EA: Several orgs have produced systems where you point to a word and up pops a symbol.
... English is so complex that it's difficult to determine meaning and, thus, the right symbols.
... TTS engines have difficulty determining pronunciations, such as with "read" and "read" / ("red").

Lisa: There are symbols difficulties caused by how people have grown up learning them, and by copywrites.

Correction: copyrights

EA: Were going to have a go at having every entry to have a unique identifier.
... Every symbol company has its own interface.

Steve: Will these companies be willing to work with open standards?

<Tony_Doran_> I can actually hear the call now sorry. Talk talk router now in bin.

dog barking

enthusiastically

<Lisa_Seeman> :)

Steve: Symbols are very important for COGA users. Should we get someone else in who knows about it?

Lisa: Perhaps EA and Steve could suggest someone to join us at the FTF to talk with us for an hour.

<slee> http://www.communicationmatters.org.uk/

<slee> see symbols when you hover over a word

Steve: I suggest Communication Matters.

<ea> so sorry about dog... dealt with now!

<Tony_Doran_> I have not quit - still here

<Tony_Doran_> ping is awful

<Lisa_Seeman> very cool steve

Tony: From an industry standpoint, a single, unified, symbol set would be best.

<ea> worth a dollar! PCS State side and Widgit UK side plus Symbol Stix and Sclera and ARASAAC in Europe

Lisa: What interoperable symbol sets are available?
... We should identify them.

<Tony_Doran_> We also use a sanitised version of wordnet in some products - pretty popular

Lisa: We are talking about setting up a mechanism for symbol-set implementation.

<ea> Look at a Symbol set that is already available such as ARASAAC that would allow us to see if we could map the symbol concepts to lexical concepts - words and phrases.

Lisa: Such a mechanism would work with different symbol sets people can understand.

<ea> Try Arabic Tony :>))

<neilmilliken> q

Neil, do you mean q+?

<neilmilliken> yes

<Tony_Doran_> Lisa - that will be Weds - tmrw is St Pats, I will be otherwise engaged ;)

<Lisa_Seeman> enjoy

Lisa, I have to drop off now.

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