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16:01:33 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_CogTF()12:00PM scheduled to start now
16:01:34 <trackbot> Meeting: Cognitive Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
16:01:34 <trackbot> Date: 16 March 2015
16:02:00 <LJWatson> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:02:01 <Zakim> WAI_CogTF()12:00PM has not yet started, LJWatson
16:02:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Tony_Doran, ddahl, Mike_Pluke, Chaohai_Ding, JohnRochford, LJWatson, janina, slee, MichaelC, trackbot
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16:05:40 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, this will be  WAI_CogTF
16:05:40 <Zakim> ok, Lisa_Seeman, I see WAI_CogTF()12:00PM already started
16:06:36 <Tony_Doran> Is anyone having issues with the con call?
16:06:40 <slee> Lisa_Seeman: joining now - sorry late
16:06:48 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this
16:06:50 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  review of agenda, new items, update about github
16:06:52 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  review of actions,techniques
16:06:56 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  simple language topic paper
16:06:57 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  interoperability  symbols
16:06:59 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  user research comments, FTF
16:07:00 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ be done
16:07:52 <Zakim> + +44.289.442.aaaa
16:08:06 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]
16:08:37 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Syntax_for_adaptable_symbols_for_links_and_buttons
16:09:43 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Leoni had a lovely presentation she sent to the list, and I put out an issue paper for syntax and adaptable symbols.
16:10:14 <slee> Zakim, IPCaller.aa is me
16:10:14 <Zakim> +slee; got it
16:10:21 <JohnRochford> Lisa: For COGA users, familiarity is a big deal.
16:10:52 <slee> JohnRochford: how do we help make new things familiar?
16:12:12 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Symbols and buttons need to be consistent.
16:13:06 <JohnRochford> Lisa: A type of ARIA button could be composed, and users could choose their preference.
16:13:39 <Zakim> + +44.289.442.aabb
16:14:00 <Zakim> +neilmilliken
16:14:05 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Interoperable symbol sets could be used.
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16:15:10 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Adaptive interfaces could cut down a lot of junk.
16:15:26 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Have important features at top for everyone to find.
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16:16:05 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:16:22 <Zakim> - +44.289.442.aabb
16:17:38 <JohnRochford> Leoni: Trying to find solutions to complex web widgets, which are often different, and don't have help features.
16:17:47 <LJWatson> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/573324/presentations/CSUN2015/INotifier/index.html
16:18:10 <JohnRochford> Leoni: Alt+F1 suggested.
16:18:18 <slee> That's the link I also sent to the list
16:19:12 <JohnRochford> Leoni: I could get into technicalities of how this could work.
16:19:19 <Zakim> + +44.289.442.aacc
16:20:34 <JohnRochford> slee: Perhaps the help could be associated with help other than text help, such as in the DOM.
16:20:47 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:22:00 <JohnRochford> Lisa: The aged are going to have difficulty with inconsistent interfaces along with comorbid trouble, such as poor eye sight.
16:22:51 <ea> They do not waste time staying on a site they cannot access - same for elderly with visual difficulties - give up!
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16:23:32 <JohnRochford> Lisa: How is the help implemented: cloud, client, or server?
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16:24:06 <JohnRochford> Leoni: It's implemented through HTML, JASON, etc. - up to the developer.
16:25:08 <JohnRochford> Leoni: JASON file is where the keys are mapped to the help information.
16:26:08 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Anybody have comments about symbols paper?
16:26:51 <JohnRochford> EA: Several orgs have produced systems where you point to a word and up pops a symbol.
16:28:24 <Zakim> + +44.289.442.aadd
16:28:45 <Zakim> -neilmilliken
16:28:59 <JohnRochford> EA: English is so complex that it's difficult to determine meaning and, thus, the right symbols.
16:29:26 <Zakim> +neilmilliken
16:29:39 <Tony_Doran> Zakim, aadd is me
16:29:39 <Zakim> +Tony_Doran; got it
16:31:09 <JohnRochford> EA: TTS engines have difficulty determining pronunciations, such as with "read" and "read" / ("red").
16:32:42 <JohnRochford> Lisa: There are symbols difficulties caused by how people have grown up learning them, and by copywrites.
16:33:08 <JohnRochford> Correction: copyrights
16:33:54 <Zakim> -Tony_Doran
16:36:16 <JohnRochford> EA: Were going to have a go at having every entry to have a unique identifier.
16:37:53 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:38:07 <Zakim> +Tony_Doran
16:38:28 <JohnRochford> EA: Every symbol company has its own interface.
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16:38:55 <JohnRochford> Steve: Will these companies be willing to work with open standards?
16:39:43 <Tony_Doran_> I can actually hear the call now sorry. Talk talk router now in bin.
16:39:49 <Lisa_Seeman> q+
16:40:26 <JohnRochford> dog barking
16:40:40 <JohnRochford> enthusiastically
16:40:50 <Lisa_Seeman> :)
16:41:45 <JohnRochford> Steve: Symbols are very important for COGA users. Should we get someone else in who knows about it?
16:43:06 <Tony_Doran_> q+
16:43:08 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Perhaps EA and Steve could suggest someone to join us at the FTF to talk with us for an hour.
16:43:11 <slee> http://www.communicationmatters.org.uk/
16:43:24 <slee> see symbols when you hover over a word
16:43:36 <JohnRochford> Steve: I suggest Communication Matters.
16:43:45 <Zakim> +??P15
16:44:05 <ea> so sorry about dog... dealt with now!
16:44:26 <Tony_Doran_> I have not quit - still here
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16:44:32 <Tony_Doran_> ping is awful
16:45:59 <Lisa_Seeman> very cool steve
16:46:36 <JohnRochford> Tony: From an industry standpoint, a single, unified, symbol set would be best.
16:48:20 <ea> worth a dollar!  PCS State side and Widgit UK side plus Symbol Stix and Sclera and ARASAAC in Europe
16:49:46 <JohnRochford> Lisa: What interoperable symbol sets are available?
16:50:11 <JohnRochford> Lisa: We should identify them.
16:52:22 <Lisa_Seeman> Q?
16:53:01 <JohnRochford> q+
16:54:20 <Lisa_Seeman> Ack lis
16:54:34 <Lisa_Seeman> ack tony
16:54:43 <Lisa_Seeman> ack jo
16:56:26 <Tony_Doran_> We also use a sanitised version of wordnet in some products - pretty popular
16:56:40 <JohnRochford> Lisa: We are talking about setting up a mechanism for symbol-set implementation.
16:57:08 <ea> Look at a Symbol set that is already available such as ARASAAC that would allow us to see if we could map the symbol concepts to lexical concepts - words and phrases.
16:59:00 <Tony_Doran_> q+
16:59:09 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Such a mechanism would work with different symbol sets people can understand.
17:00:48 <ea> Try Arabic Tony :>))
17:02:39 <neilmilliken> q
17:02:59 <JohnRochford> Neil, do you mean q+?
17:03:03 <neilmilliken> yes
17:03:17 <Tony_Doran_> Lisa - that will be Weds - tmrw is St Pats, I will be otherwise engaged ;)
17:03:27 <Lisa_Seeman> enjoy
17:04:41 <Zakim> -Debbie_Dahl
17:05:31 <MichaelC> ack me
17:06:25 <Lisa_Seeman> ack tony
17:06:55 <JohnRochford> Lisa, I have to drop off now.
17:07:11 <Zakim> -??P1
17:08:00 <neilmilliken> Q+
17:08:29 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
17:10:36 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, make logs public
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17:10:46 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, create minutes
17:10:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/16-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
17:11:00 <Zakim> -neilmilliken
17:11:05 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, please part
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17:11:14 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, please part
17:11:14 <RRSAgent> I see no action items