Data on the Web Best Practices half-day call -- 01 Dec 2014

<cgueret> Hello!

<yaso> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20141201

<newton> Here is the link: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Issues_vs_BP_Document

<yaso> Scribe: annette_g

<yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/73

<phila> issue-73?

<trackbot> issue-73 -- What exactly is the audience for the bp doc? -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/73

newton: Did we have a conference about that issue?

Yaso: Not sure

<laufer> yes

<newton> Are you hearing us?

<phila> laufer:

Issue 74: Laufer inaudible

<phila> issue-74?

<trackbot> issue-74 -- Is it in scope to include mention of policy framework etc. as part of the non-normative discussion/editorialisation of the bp doc -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/74

<yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/82

<phila> isseu-82?

<phila> issue-82?

<trackbot> issue-82 -- What is the definition of a dataset? -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/82

<laufer> I will try writing when necessary

Laufer: garbled connection

phila: asks will this help to finish the FPWD of the BP document

BernadetteLoscio: wonders if people are still worried about open issues or something else.

<phila> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Main_Page#Best_Practices

phila: are you saying that you want people to do some writing? Is that the holdup?
... Some writing tasks are assigned to particular people, but they haven't moved forward. Is it a matter of time?

<phila> And there's some content at https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Guidance_on_the_Provision_of_Metadata

<BernadetteLoscio> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Main_Page

BernadetteLoscio: we have a lot of information already

<laufer> I will write my comments instead talking

phila: but what is the holdup?

<laufer> for me are both, phil

BernadetteLoscio: working more on the document itself than in the section

phila: is there any content on github?

<phila> GitHub skeleton http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html

BernadetteLoscio: no. we have info on the wiki, e.g. description of data formats. Editors are working on the first sections, but it's not on github yet

phila: If we're aiming for Dec. 18, the group has to resolve to publish on Dec.12. You've done a lot of work so far, what can we do to help you get it to the stage where everyone can approve it?

BernadetteLoscio: non-normative sections we can do. we still need to polish them. Data life cycle bit is in pretty good shape.

we are working to have a section by the end of the week

people still have to write

phila: the non-norrmative intro is really important. we should probably have at least a few normative best practices

a FPWD without some normative content would look a bit weak

<cgueret> +1 to get some normative content before Dec 12

yaso: not sure what best strategy is

we have 7 proposed sections now, only 2 have something

thanks, phila

BernadetteLoscio: I can try to write some more normative stuff

…not sure if we have time for the other stuff

phila: there are lots of people who can help you

…help from others can be spread across the doc

BernadetteLoscio: would be nice to have something about metadata

… Mackx sent a message with some good ideas last week

I'm doing three periods

not sure what you're suggesting different

<cgueret> humm, they show up as one character here...

BernadetteLoscio: we should have a deadline

… next Thursday?

phila: it's important that everyone has time to review

<cgueret> +q to ask if edit priority should be given to the Wiki or github for this deadline

BernadetteLoscio: this Friday for initial review, revisions early next week

<laufer> May I "talk"

<laufer> I will write

<AdrianoC> Hi, good morning!

<laufer> I still have doubts about what exactly could be a normative thing or a kind of suggestion.

<laufer> We could, for example, assert that a publisher MUST provide License metadata, MAY provide Data Quality metadata, MAY provide Provenance metadata.

<laufer> We can suggest, or provide examples, about Licenses types, etc.

<laufer> Another issue is about how to provide these metadata, how to catalog these information. I think we are agreeing that should be information that DCAT defines.

<laufer> Go on

BernadetteLoscio: I didn't understand

<laufer> I think that a normative thing is a strong thing

<laufer> strong

phila: "must" has a specific meaning, "may" has another, "should" has another

<BernadetteLoscio> we have some examples about BP: http://www.w3.org/TR/xmldsig-bestpractices/

…we're going to talk about the intentions

…then provide RFC 2219 "must" etc

<cgueret> +1

<laufer> Bernadette, we have different best practices documents

<Zakim> cgueret, you wanted to ask if edit priority should be given to the Wiki or github for this deadline

cgueret: considering short time remaining, should we contribute on github or wiki?

BernadetteLoscio: write directly on github if you're comfortable with it, use the wiki if you're more comfortable on that

<phila> If you write in the wiki, someone still has to transfer it to GitHub. So you save someone the task of transferring if you do it straight on GH

BernadetteLoscio: I understand Laufer's doubt, but we need to just try to write first so that we have something concrete to discuss

…we should start really doing things, so I propose you just try to write

<laufer> I agree. I am only exposing what are the doubts about the "granularity" of our recommendations, or suggestions...

… when we writie a BP about metadata, try to give at least one or two examples of what would be a best practice

<phila> +1 to BernadetteLoscio

yaso: do we want to continue working for 2 hours, or work offline?

<laufer> I think that there is a strong polarization in the cataloging view of the process

BernadetteLoscio: not sure

…do we have something to discuss now?

…data versioning is going on by mail

<yaso> Should we continue working now, or should we work offline, with people working with the editors if they have any question or something like this

BernadetteLoscio: for the next year, we should have meetings that are more focused

…for today, what do people want to discuss?

<laufer> I think that we need a discussion abou the phases

laufer: do you want to speak or write?

<laufer> the lifecycle

BernadetteLoscio: will send a message to the group, but it's important that everyone keep in mind that we have a deadline

<laufer> so, how the phase of publishing apeears in aour documents, as metadata that are provided during the catalog phase

it's a huge work and we have a big group, so everyone needs to collaborate

everyone should feel free to write

yaso: thank you

…sorry, Laufer

<laufer> I thinks is very important to wite abou the data lifecycle

<laufer> think

BernadetteLoscio: a few months ago I did some work on the lifecycle

<BernadetteLoscio> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_on_the_Web_Life_Cycle

<laufer> because we have different user´s roles that will be responsible for each phase

<phila> I'll read through that on the plane later today :-)

BernadetteLoscio: on Thursday we'll have something more concrete to discuss, different roles, publishers and consumers

<laufer> I agree with your idea of the lifecycle

BernadetteLoscio: I'm now improving the definitions

<phila> annette_g: It would be helpful if the editors could indicate the parts of the doc that they are particularly looking for help with

<newton> annette_g https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Main_Page#Best_Practices

annette_g: is there a way editors can indicate parts they want help with?

<phila> BernadetteLoscio: Mabe you can help us with...

<BernadetteLoscio> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Table_of_Contents_of_Data_on_the_Web_Best_Practices

<phila> BernadetteLoscio: and we need contributions in red. But on the main page we already have some contributors

<phila> ... you can help in one of the normative sections. For e.g. if you want to talk about metadata, or you can help in the non-normative section

BernadetteLoscio: if you want to work on normative, you can work on metadata.

<phila> ... so it depends where you feel most comfortable contributing

… you can work with Laufer and give another point of view

… e.g., what would be the best way to describe the best way to use metadata

annette: okay

BernadetteLoscio: you can also review non-normative sections

annette_g: great, thank you

yaso: I propose we finish the meeting now, work offline

…editors can appoint someone to work with them

<cgueret> +1

proposed: that we finish the meeting now

<laufer> +1

<newton> +1

PROPOSED: that we finish the meeting now

<cgueret> +1

<laufer> +1

<deirdrelee> +1

<BernadetteLoscio> +1

<cgueret> let's go write! ^_^

RESOLUTION: that we finish the meeting now

<laufer> bye, sorry about my connection problems

<yaso> Bye!

<cgueret> bye

phila: thanks annette for scribing

bye!

<newton> bye!

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Data on the Web Best Practices half-day call

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