W3C

Web Payments IG
07 Nov 2014

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Joerg, Stephane, Jean-Yves, Pat Adler, David E, Mountie, Evert, Virginie, Erik, Laurent_castillo (Gemalto)
Regrets
Chaals, Manu
Chair
DavidE
Scribe
Steph

Contents


Roll

David: calling people to see who is here

Agenda Review

David: review minutes, action items, then 2 task forces plus a third one possible on external review

Peesent+Erik

david: perhaps talk about conference
... scribe steph for today

will put that in the agenda (appointment of scribe) next time

Administrivia

Pat: I had issue with posting

talkig about money2020

steph: confirm your first email ever on W3C list

david: Manu just deliver

https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/

david: lots of help online. then to add a page: put a link from a page with the format [my new page] and then cick the link that will create the page

no other way to do it

Minutes of the face to face

<dezell> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-webpayments-ig/2014Nov/0002.html

David: send the email below to the list

minutes: http://www.w3.org/2014/10/f2f-wpay-minutes.html

david: question?

Joerg: link to my presentation is wrong, so need update

<Zakim> evert, you wanted to discuss type of minutes

<scribe> ACTION: sboyera to update joerg presentation on minutes of f2f [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-9 - Update joerg presentation on minutes of f2f [on Stéphane Boyera - due 2014-11-14].

Evert: long transcription of what we said. Excerpt version? main point+conclusion for people not attending

david: very good idea

<virginie> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-webpayments-ig/2014Nov/0001.html

<scribe> ACTION: stpehane to work with stephane to have a way to post summary of meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Error finding 'stpehane'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/track/users>.

<scribe> ACTION: stephane to work with stephane to have a way to post summary of meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Error finding 'stephane'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/track/users>.

<scribe> ACTION: sboyera to work with stephane to have a way to post summary of meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-10 - Work with stephane to have a way to post summary of meeting [on Stéphane Boyera - due 2014-11-14].

Erik: what we did in paris minutes, we dig into and extra useful info. recommend doing the same

David: ok?

<Zakim> evert, you wanted to add an action point on glossary

Evert: glossary? action point on this should be required.

David: Volunteer? wiki page best to maintain opinion?

<virginie> +1 on wiki

+1

<pat_adler> +1 on wiki

<scribe> ACTION: efekkes to launch work on glossary on wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Error finding 'efekkes'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/track/users>.

<scribe> ACTION: evert fekkes to launch work on glossary on wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-11 - Fekkes to launch work on glossary on wiki [on Evert Fekkes - due 2014-11-14].

evert: scope transaction vs payment. Scope of “transaction” is broader than “payment”. As we are the Web PAYMENTS Interest Group, we must take care not to broaden the scope to the full context of an economic transaction.

no sure if we made the difference in the minutes.

no conclict in the charter. important to be clear

david: need to put the correct axis in the use-case

transaction vs payments

pat: what we do with the minutes. how does that work? we provide feedback and then it is changed?

dezell: send edits to chairs and steph

pat: what is usually the time for publication?

david: a week or 1.5 week is the timeline we should go for

we are approving during teleconferences

steph: action on digging the minutes?

erik: huge work

<scribe> ACTION: Erik to investige use case in face-to-face minutes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action07]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-12 - Investige use case in face-to-face minutes [on Erik Anderson - due 2014-11-14].

DAvid: Pat?

Pat: one more day ok?

David: any news from Monday 12noon ET and we will publish them
... any other point?

<dezell> http://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/track/actions/open

action items

david: action-1 - didn't do, neither action-2

trackbot, close action-4

<trackbot> Closed action-4.

david: action 5 is done

trackbot, close action-5

<trackbot> Closed action-5.

david: we had a call with steve stevens, good call need to sort out

Evert: can we access ISO standards as a group?

Erik: that's what we are working on with Steve

ensuring we can access those documents and review them

david: we have to work closely to see how to access these restricted documents
... action 6 is related, haven't heard about this

trackbot, close action-7

<trackbot> Closed action-7.

trackbot, close action-8

<trackbot> Closed action-8.

erik: use-case from iso? what it is?

david: same problem to put their UC in our document

task forces

https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/Main_Page#taskforces

david: we decided a third task force, dedicated to provide review to external bodies
... any volunteer?

Erik: me

but not as a leader

Mountie: i need to coordinate with korean member in korean language
... i need content in korean. Can I keep wiki page in korean for ig activities

?

David: great idea

let's see how we can do it

will come back with a proposal

<scribe> ACTION: DAvid to come back with a solution to korean-specific information [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action08]

<trackbot> 'DAvid' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., dezell2, mcdermittd).

<scribe> ACTION: Dezell to come back with a solution to korean-specific information [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action09]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-13 - Come back with a solution to korean-specific information [on David Ezell - due 2014-11-14].

<mountie> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2678987/WebPaymentIG_Report_v1.1.pdf is the example to post WebPayments IG WIKI

rrsagetn, drop action 8

Evert: in manu UC there was a difference between UC and design criteria. I found that good, and recommend we go for this

Erik: +1

what is design criteria, requirements and UC?

david: +1, even if they are not consisten in the CG UC document. So we may need to refine
... we need to create a taxonomy.

https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/Payment_Agent_Task_Force

Joerg: look at the wiki with a mindmap pic

the idea from the client view, we come with a modularization

not possible to fullfill all scenario from the client side only

we will have a strong overlap with UC

Joerg: stephane comes with a layered view

possible to harmnize in this framework proximity and online payments

joerg: next plan to integrate the stucture of glen working on and add more text
... need to add text for the big boxes

steph: need input from as much as possible

joerg: we will work on completing the page with Glen,a nd then launch discussion on the mailing-list

<erik> +1

joerg: schedule a call and see if we need it and start discussion

<scribe> ACTION: Joerg to complete the wiki page, then organize discussion on hte mailing-list and a call [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action10]

<trackbot> Error finding 'Joerg'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/track/users>.

<scribe> ACTION: Jörg to complete the wiki page, then organize discussion on hte mailing-list and a call [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action11]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - Complete the wiki page, then organize discussion on hte mailing-list and a call [on Jörg Heuer - due 2014-11-14].

pat: we need to deconstruct the credential part

will come back to you joerg on the mailing-list

and the green box in general

Erik: talked to bitcoin people who have 3 years of experience in wallet

good to have them on board

pat: +1 - lots of companies to bring onboard

Joerg: +1

next meeting

David: propose to keep 1hr per week telco

+1

<Joe_H> +1

David: moving by 30min

<virginie> +1

<JyR_> +1

<Joe_H> later is ok for EUR

<mountie> 11:30 PM KST

Pat: friday might to be perfect

David: to move the discussion to mailing-list

virginie: proposing to move to every other week

david: agreed, perhaps we will move towards this in a couple of meetings

Adjourned

Virginie: at the moment the nfc work is related to peer-2-peer

nothing to do with card emaulation, and no link with what the payment industry and secure elements

it is tag reading, nothing really related to access SE

joerg: should we go for card emulation & nfc in the payments ig?

virginie: i think if we have good UC, yes

adjourned

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Dezell to come back with a solution to korean-specific information [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Erik to investige use case in face-to-face minutes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: evert fekkes to launch work on glossary on wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Jörg to complete the wiki page, then organize discussion on hte mailing-list and a call [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: sboyera to update joerg presentation on minutes of f2f [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: David to work with stephane to have a way to post summary of meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action04]
 
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