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David: calling people to see who is here
David: review minutes, action items, then 2 task forces plus a third one possible on external review
Peesent+Erik
david: perhaps talk about conference
... scribe steph for today
will put that in the agenda (appointment of scribe) next time
Pat: I had issue with posting
talkig about money2020
steph: confirm your first email ever on W3C list
david: Manu just deliver
https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/
david: lots of help online. then to add a page: put a link from a page with the format [my new page] and then cick the link that will create the page
no other way to do it
<dezell> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-webpayments-ig/2014Nov/0002.html
David: send the email below to the list
minutes: http://www.w3.org/2014/10/f2f-wpay-minutes.html
david: question?
Joerg: link to my presentation is wrong, so need update
<Zakim> evert, you wanted to discuss type of minutes
<scribe> ACTION: sboyera to update joerg presentation on minutes of f2f [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-9 - Update joerg presentation on minutes of f2f [on Stéphane Boyera - due 2014-11-14].
Evert: long transcription of what we said. Excerpt version? main point+conclusion for people not attending
david: very good idea
<virginie> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-webpayments-ig/2014Nov/0001.html
<scribe> ACTION: stpehane to work with stephane to have a way to post summary of meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Error finding 'stpehane'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/track/users>.
<scribe> ACTION: stephane to work with stephane to have a way to post summary of meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Error finding 'stephane'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/track/users>.
<scribe> ACTION: sboyera to work with stephane to have a way to post summary of meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-10 - Work with stephane to have a way to post summary of meeting [on Stéphane Boyera - due 2014-11-14].
Erik: what we did in paris minutes, we dig into and extra useful info. recommend doing the same
David: ok?
<Zakim> evert, you wanted to add an action point on glossary
Evert: glossary? action point on this should be required.
David: Volunteer? wiki page best to maintain opinion?
<virginie> +1 on wiki
+1
<pat_adler> +1 on wiki
<scribe> ACTION: efekkes to launch work on glossary on wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Error finding 'efekkes'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/track/users>.
<scribe> ACTION: evert fekkes to launch work on glossary on wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-11 - Fekkes to launch work on glossary on wiki [on Evert Fekkes - due 2014-11-14].
evert: scope transaction vs payment. Scope of “transaction” is broader than “payment”. As we are the Web PAYMENTS Interest Group, we must take care not to broaden the scope to the full context of an economic transaction.
no sure if we made the difference in the minutes.
no conclict in the charter. important to be clear
david: need to put the correct axis in the use-case
transaction vs payments
pat: what we do with the minutes. how does that work? we provide feedback and then it is changed?
dezell: send edits to chairs and steph
pat: what is usually the time for publication?
david: a week or 1.5 week is the timeline we should go for
we are approving during teleconferences
steph: action on digging the minutes?
erik: huge work
<scribe> ACTION: Erik to investige use case in face-to-face minutes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-12 - Investige use case in face-to-face minutes [on Erik Anderson - due 2014-11-14].
DAvid: Pat?
Pat: one more day ok?
David: any news from Monday 12noon ET and we will
publish them
... any other point?
<dezell> http://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/track/actions/open
david: action-1 - didn't do, neither action-2
trackbot, close action-4
<trackbot> Closed action-4.
david: action 5 is done
trackbot, close action-5
<trackbot> Closed action-5.
david: we had a call with steve stevens, good call need to sort out
Evert: can we access ISO standards as a group?
Erik: that's what we are working on with Steve
ensuring we can access those documents and review them
david: we have to work closely to see how to
access these restricted documents
... action 6 is related, haven't heard about this
trackbot, close action-7
<trackbot> Closed action-7.
trackbot, close action-8
<trackbot> Closed action-8.
erik: use-case from iso? what it is?
david: same problem to put their UC in our document
https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/Main_Page#taskforces
david: we decided a third task force, dedicated
to provide review to external bodies
... any volunteer?
Erik: me
but not as a leader
Mountie: i need to coordinate with korean member
in korean language
... i need content in korean. Can I keep wiki page in korean for ig
activities
?
David: great idea
let's see how we can do it
will come back with a proposal
<scribe> ACTION: DAvid to come back with a solution to korean-specific information [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot> 'DAvid' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., dezell2, mcdermittd).
<scribe> ACTION: Dezell to come back with a solution to korean-specific information [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action09]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-13 - Come back with a solution to korean-specific information [on David Ezell - due 2014-11-14].
<mountie> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2678987/WebPaymentIG_Report_v1.1.pdf is the example to post WebPayments IG WIKI
rrsagetn, drop action 8
Evert: in manu UC there was a difference between UC and design criteria. I found that good, and recommend we go for this
Erik: +1
what is design criteria, requirements and UC?
david: +1, even if they are not consisten in the
CG UC document. So we may need to refine
... we need to create a taxonomy.
https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/Payment_Agent_Task_Force
Joerg: look at the wiki with a mindmap pic
the idea from the client view, we come with a modularization
not possible to fullfill all scenario from the client side only
we will have a strong overlap with UC
Joerg: stephane comes with a layered view
possible to harmnize in this framework proximity and online payments
joerg: next plan to integrate the stucture of
glen working on and add more text
... need to add text for the big boxes
steph: need input from as much as possible
joerg: we will work on completing the page with Glen,a nd then launch discussion on the mailing-list
<erik> +1
joerg: schedule a call and see if we need it and start discussion
<scribe> ACTION: Joerg to complete the wiki page, then organize discussion on hte mailing-list and a call [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action10]
<trackbot> Error finding 'Joerg'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/track/users>.
<scribe> ACTION: Jörg to complete the wiki page, then organize discussion on hte mailing-list and a call [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/07-wpay-minutes.html#action11]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - Complete the wiki page, then organize discussion on hte mailing-list and a call [on Jörg Heuer - due 2014-11-14].
pat: we need to deconstruct the credential part
will come back to you joerg on the mailing-list
and the green box in general
Erik: talked to bitcoin people who have 3 years of experience in wallet
good to have them on board
pat: +1 - lots of companies to bring onboard
Joerg: +1
David: propose to keep 1hr per week telco
+1
<Joe_H> +1
David: moving by 30min
<virginie> +1
<JyR_> +1
<Joe_H> later is ok for EUR
<mountie> 11:30 PM KST
Pat: friday might to be perfect
David: to move the discussion to mailing-list
virginie: proposing to move to every other week
david: agreed, perhaps we will move towards this in a couple of meetings
Adjourned
Virginie: at the moment the nfc work is related to peer-2-peer
nothing to do with card emaulation, and no link with what the payment industry and secure elements
it is tag reading, nothing really related to access SE
joerg: should we go for card emulation & nfc in the payments ig?
virginie: i think if we have good UC, yes
adjourned