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<trackbot> Date: 21 October 2014
1. Review Open Action Items
<inserted> Review Open Action Items
2. Issue-140: The description of the Team in Section 2.2 of the process document is out of date
3. Issue-137: Rationalise the heartbeats in chapter 6 and 7
4. Issue-141: Improve Errata management in W3C
<jeff> Steve: Propose close Action-35.
<jeff> +1
RESOLUTION: Close ACTION-35: Write up proposal for inline errata
<scribe> ScribeNick: SteveZ
JJ: I have several points
... 1. W3C Fellows are mentioned in document and they are
Member employees working for the Team and we should point this
out
... 2. The process should mention the Director and his
powers
... 3. The CEO is Chair of the AB so should be mentioned
... 4. There is a sentence about delegation saying certain
individuals may delegate responsibilities assigned to
them
... 5. Dropping the mentioning of Hosts is problematic because
there is already confusion about the Hosts and their role so
dropping this is likely to add to the confusion
CMN: do not see why dropping
Hosts is a problem because they do not have a role in
process
... I still do not see why a single sentence will not do
because we do not need to repeat assignments described in other
parts of the process
SZ: agrees with most of JJ's points, except for role of Hosts
<chaals> close ACTION-35
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-35.
JJ: It is useful to the readers to understand what W3C is and that it is not incorporated
MC: does the Process Doc mention role of CEO as AB Chair?
JJ: Yes, there is a mention in the AB section
<chaals> [[[The Team appoints the Chair of the https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/AB/raw-file/default/cover.html#AB, who is generally the https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/AB/raw-file/default/cover.html#def-W3CChair.]]]
CMN: I pasted the exact
text
... we have been using fictional people, Chair and COO as the
preferred candidate for certain roles for over a decade
... Since the Team appoints the Chair of the AB, that should
suffice, Saying who that is does not help
JJ: It was because Process said Chair of AB is normally COO, I considered eventually take over that role when my other duties permitted. Without that in the Process I would not have seen that as an expectation
CMN: No the CEO is not particularly expected to be the AB Chair, he was not for over a decade.
<jeff> [Actually, Tim is in fact the co-chair of the TAG]
CMN: There is also a statement
that the Director is generally the Chair of the TAG, but he was
only for one meeting
... The Process Doc does not need to describe how the Team
manages itself and its roles;
JJ: it is necessary to include in
section 2.3.1 that the CEO is generally the Chair of the
AB
... It is part of the social contract with the Membership that
they have intimate contact with the "lay leader" (not the
Director) who is the CEO
... I see it being important that the person who accepts the
advice be chairing the meeting that provides the advice
... I believe that removing the role of the CEO would
disempower the advisory board
MC: would be happy with just saying "Team appoints"
SZ: I do not believe it is
necessary to designate that CEO is generally the Chair, but if
it makes it easier for the Team to meet the appointment rule,
then I would support including that
... I think the Process should call out the roles of Director
and CEO and describe their relationship to help Members set
their expectations correctly
CMN: I do not understand the
relationship between the two, except that certain roles are
assigned to the Director and Team (and potentially the
CEO).
... I do not understand what else you would say nor why you
would say it
JJ: I agree with Charles,
... The Director has almost absolute power and the CEO has
almost none, but Director has chosen to delegate some of his
powers and that changes over time.
... You only need to identify, as part of the Team, those
people that get mentioned elsewhere in the Process
<inserted> [ SZ agreed about identifying roles only as needed in the Process ]
JJ: I think the Director description is pretty reasonable as is
CMN: and the CEO is the Chief Executive Officer of the Team
JJ: We should say the Team is lead by the Director and the CEO who may delegate their powers
CMN: I will do a new edit that meets (in spirit) identifying the key people and says they can delegate
<timeless> +1
<chaals> ACTION: chaals to propose new text describing the Team that mentions the Director, Fellows, the CEO, the Team, and the fact that responsibilities they have under the process may be delegated [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-w3process-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-36 - Propose new text describing the team that mentions the director, fellows, the ceo, the team, and the fact that responsibilities they have under the process may be delegated [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2014-10-28].
RESOLUTION: Remove the discussion of the heartbeat in Chapter 6.2.7 in favor of the new text in Chapter 7
CMN: The section 6 discussion only required one of the specs be updated every 3 months and this was ludicrous for super groups and sometime too much of small groups. Chapter 7 changes it to a SHOULD rather than a MUST
Attendees: Chaals (CMN), Jeff (JJ), Mike Champion (MC) Steve Zilles (SZ) and timeless
<timeless> trackbot, end meeting
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