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14:01:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
14:01:52 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
14:01:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Revising W3C Process Community Group Teleconference
14:01:53 <trackbot> Date: 21 October 2014
14:02:06 <chaals> zakim, this will be proc
14:02:06 <Zakim> ok, chaals, I see AB_(PROCESS)10:00AM already started
14:02:48 <Zakim> +Jeff
14:02:49 <Zakim> +Mike_Champion
14:03:38 <chaals> zakim, code?
14:03:38 <Zakim> the conference code is 7762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), chaals
14:04:05 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:04:10 <chaals> zakim, [ip is me
14:04:11 <Zakim> +chaals; got it
14:04:29 <SteveZ> Agenda1.	Review Open Action Items https://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/actions/open
14:04:29 <Zakim> + +1.416.770.aaaa
14:04:34 <Zakim> - +1.416.770.aaaa
14:05:09 <SteveZ> 2.	Issue-140: The description of the Team in Section 2.2 of the process document is out of date
14:05:48 <SteveZ> 3.	Issue-137: Rationalise the heartbeats in chapter 6 and 7
14:06:06 <SteveZ> 4.	Issue-141: Improve Errata management in W3C
14:06:23 <SteveZ> Zakim, who is on the phone?
14:06:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see SteveZ, Jeff, Mike_Champion, chaals
14:08:23 <jeff> Steve: Propose close Action-35.
14:08:24 <jeff> +1
14:08:43 <SteveZ> RESOLUTION: Close ACTION-35: Write up proposal for inline errata
14:09:19 <jeff> q+
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14:11:06 <SteveZ> ScribeNick: SteveZ
14:11:22 <SteveZ> JJ: I have several points
14:12:06 <SteveZ> 1. W3C Fellows are mentioned in document and they are Member employees working for the Team and we should point this out
14:12:20 <SteveZ> 2. The process should mention the Director and his powers
14:12:41 <SteveZ> 3. The CEO is Chair of the AB so should be mentioned
14:13:40 <chaals> q+
14:13:46 <SteveZ> 4. There is a sentence about delegation saying certain individuals may delegate responsibilities assigned to them
14:15:00 <SteveZ> 5. Dropping the mentioning of Hosts is problematic because there is already confusion about the Hosts and their role so dropping this is likely to add to the confusion
14:15:02 <jeff> ack je
14:15:08 <SteveZ> ack j
14:15:59 <jeff> q+ to respond
14:16:02 <jeff> ack ch
14:16:14 <SteveZ> CMN: do not see why dropping Hosts is a problem because they do not have a role in process
14:17:04 <jeff> q+
14:17:26 <SteveZ> I still do not see why a single sentence will not do because we do not need to repeat assignments in other parts of the process
14:20:15 <SteveZ> SZ: agrees with most of JJ's points, except for role of Hosts
14:20:27 <chaals> s/I still/... I still/
14:20:39 <chaals> s/in other/described in other/
14:20:44 <chaals> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:20:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-w3process-minutes.html chaals
14:21:39 <chaals> close ACTION-35
14:21:39 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-35.
14:22:27 <Mike> q+
14:22:32 <jeff> q-
14:22:57 <SteveZ> JJ: It is useful to the readers to understand what W3C is and that it is not incorporated
14:24:12 <SteveZ> MC: does the Process Doc mention role of CEO as AB Chair?
14:24:24 <SteveZ> JJ: Yes, there is a mention in the AB section
14:24:36 <chaals> [[[The Team appoints the Chair of the https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/AB/raw-file/default/cover.html#AB, who is generally the https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/AB/raw-file/default/cover.html#def-W3CChair.]]]
14:24:45 <SteveZ> CMN: I sill paste the exact text
14:26:34 <SteveZ> CMN: we have been using fictional people, Chair and COO as the preferred candidate for certain roles for over a decade
14:27:55 <SteveZ> CMN: Since the Team appoints the Chair of the AB, that should suffice, Saying who that is does not help
14:28:34 <chaals> q+
14:30:17 <SteveZ> JJ: It was because Process said Chair of AB is normally COO, I  considered eventually take over that role when my other duties permitted. Without that in the Process I would not have seen that as an option
14:30:36 <SteveZ> lack mi
14:30:41 <SteveZ> ack mi
14:31:01 <jeff> s/option/expectation/
14:31:19 <Zakim> + +1.416.481.aabb
14:31:32 <SteveZ> CMN: No the CEO is not particularly expected to be the AB Chair, he was not for over a decade.
14:31:55 <jeff> [Actually, Tim is in fact the co-chair of the TAG]
14:31:58 <timeless> Zakim, aabb is me
14:31:59 <Zakim> +timeless; got it
14:32:01 <SteveZ> The is also a statement that the Director is generally the Chair of the TAG, but he was only for one meeting
14:32:02 <timeless> Zakim, mute me
14:32:02 <Zakim> timeless should now be muted
14:32:29 <jeff> q+
14:32:37 <timeless> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:32:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-w3process-minutes.html timeless
14:33:00 <jeff> ack cha
14:33:02 <timeless> i/Agenda1/Topic: Agenda/
14:33:09 <timeless> s/Agenda1/1/
14:33:17 <SteveZ> CMN: The Process Doc does not need to describe how the Team manages itself and its roles;
14:33:37 <timeless> s/1. W3C/... 1. W3C/
14:33:45 <timeless> s/2. The/... 2. The/
14:34:17 <timeless> s/3. The/... 3. The/
14:34:17 <timeless> s/4. There/... 4. There/
14:34:17 <timeless> s/5. Dropping/... 5. Dropping/
14:34:27 <timeless> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:34:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-w3process-minutes.html timeless
14:35:43 <timeless> s/I sill paste the/I pasted the/
14:35:49 <SteveZ> JJ: it is necessary to include in section 2.3.1 that the CEO is generally the Chair of the AB
14:37:00 <SteveZ> It is part of the social contract with the Membership that they have intimate contact with the "lay leader" (not the Director) who is the CEO
14:37:43 <SteveZ> I see it being important that the person who accepts the advice be chairing the meeting that provides the advice
14:37:55 <timeless> s/It is part/... It is part/
14:38:01 <timeless> s/I see it/... I see it/
14:38:04 <chaals> q?
14:38:05 <jeff> ack je
14:38:05 <timeless> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:38:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-w3process-minutes.html timeless
14:38:14 <SteveZ> I believe that removing the role of the CEO would disimpower the advisory board
14:38:20 <timeless> s/lack mi//
14:38:41 <jeff> s/disimpower/disempower/
14:38:41 <chaals> s/disim/disem
14:40:16 <timeless> s/The is also a/There is also a/
14:40:23 <SteveZ> MC: would be happy with just saying "Team appoints"
14:40:29 <timeless> Zakim, who is making noise?
14:40:44 <Zakim> timeless, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: chaals (20%)
14:41:04 <timeless> Zakim, who is making noise?
14:41:09 <timeless> q?
14:41:12 <SteveZ> SZ: I do not believe it is necessary to designate that CEO is generally the Chair, but if it makes it easier for the Team to meet the appointment rule, then I would support including that
14:41:14 <Zakim> timeless, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
14:41:54 <chaals> q+
14:42:31 <timeless> ack chaals
14:42:56 <jeff> zakim, unmute chaals
14:42:56 <Zakim> chaals was not muted, jeff
14:43:03 <SteveZ> SZ: I think the Process should call out the roles of Director and CEO and descibe their relationship to help Members set their expectations correctly
14:43:11 <timeless> s/descibe/describe/
14:43:22 <jeff> q+
14:43:26 <timeless> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:43:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-w3process-minutes.html timeless
14:44:13 <timeless> s|s/disim/disem||
14:44:24 <SteveZ> CMN: I do not understand the relationship between the two, except that certain roles are assigned to the Director and Team (and potentially the CEO).
14:44:27 <timeless> s/I believe that removing/... I believe that removing/
14:44:52 <SteveZ> I do not understand what else you would say nor why you would say it
14:45:04 <timeless> s/I do not/... I do not/
14:45:10 <SteveZ> JJ: I agree with Charles,
14:46:00 <SteveZ> The Director has almost absolute power and the CEO has almost none, but Director has chosen to delegate some of his powers and that changes over time.
14:46:24 <timeless> s/The Director has/... The Director has/
14:47:10 <timeless> q+ to ask if saying that the reporting to the Director is the CEO, who may be one of the possible people to whom the Director delegates
14:47:19 <SteveZ> SZ and JJ: You only need to identify, as part of the Team, those people that get mentioned elsewhere in the Process
14:47:55 <SteveZ> JJ: I think the Director description is pretty reasonable as is
14:48:22 <SteveZ> CMN: and the CEO is the Chief Executive Officer  of the Team
14:48:57 <SteveZ> JJ: We should say the Team is lead by the Director and the CEO who may delegate their powers
14:49:24 <timeless> i/I have several points/Topic: W3C roles in the process document/
14:49:27 <timeless> q- timeless
14:49:40 <jeff> ack je
14:49:41 <SteveZ> CMN: I will do a new edit  that meets (in spirit) identifying the key people and says they can delegate
14:49:49 <timeless> +1
14:50:11 <timeless> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:50:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-w3process-minutes.html timeless
14:50:35 <chaals> ACTION: chaals to propose new text describing the Team that mentions the Director, Fellows, the CEO, the Team, and the fact that responsibilities they have under the process may be delegated
14:50:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-36 - Propose new text describing the team that mentions the director, fellows, the ceo, the team, and the fact that responsibilities they have under the process may be delegated [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2014-10-28].
14:50:48 <Zakim> -Mike_Champion
14:50:54 <timeless> s/There is also a statement/... There is also a statement/
14:50:56 <timeless> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:50:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-w3process-minutes.html timeless
14:51:26 <timeless> Zakim, who is on the call?
14:51:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see SteveZ, Jeff, chaals, timeless (muted)
14:51:33 <timeless> chair: SteveZ
14:52:31 <SteveZ> Topic: 3.	Issue-137: Rationalise the heartbeats in chapter 6 and 7
14:53:33 <jeff> q+
14:53:46 <timeless> i/Propose close Action/Topic: Review Open Action Items/
14:54:20 <timeless> s|Review Open Action Items https://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/actions/open|-> https://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/actions/open Review Open Action Items|
14:54:46 <timeless> regrets: dsinger
14:54:51 <timeless> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:54:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-w3process-minutes.html timeless
14:55:46 <timeless> i|https://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/actions/open|1. Review Open Action Items|
14:55:57 <Mike> Mike has joined #w3process
14:56:25 <timeless> s/1. ->/->/
14:56:28 <timeless> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:56:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-w3process-minutes.html timeless
14:56:49 <timeless> s|s/1. ->/->/||
14:57:19 <SteveZ> RESOLUTION: Remove the discussion of the heartbeat in Chapter 6.2.7 in favor of the new text in Chapter 7
14:58:13 <timeless> s/1. Review Open Action Items//
14:58:38 <Zakim> -Jeff
14:59:11 <timeless> s|-> https://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/actions/open Review Open Action Items|Review Open Action Items https://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/actions/open|
14:59:16 <timeless> i|Issue-140: The description|-> https://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/actions/open Review Open Action Items|
14:59:23 <timeless> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:59:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-w3process-minutes.html timeless
14:59:28 <SteveZ> CMN: The section 6 discussion only required one of the specs be updated every 3 months and this was ludicrous for super groups and sometime too much of small groups. Chapter 7 changes it to a SHOULD rather than a MUST
14:59:55 <timeless> s|Items https://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/actions/open|Items|
15:00:06 <Zakim> -chaals
15:00:09 <timeless> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:00:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-w3process-minutes.html timeless
15:00:26 <timeless> Zakim, unmute me
15:00:26 <Zakim> timeless should no longer be muted
15:00:29 <timeless> Zakim, who is on the call?
15:00:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see SteveZ, timeless
15:01:45 <timeless> s/SZ and JJ/JJ/
15:02:00 <SteveZ> Attendees: Chaals (CMN), Jeff (JJ), Mike Champion (MC) Steve Zilles (SZ) and timeless
15:02:03 <timeless> i/I think the Director description/[ SZ said the same thing ]/
15:03:51 <Zakim> -timeless
15:03:53 <Zakim> -SteveZ
15:03:54 <Zakim> AB_(PROCESS)10:00AM has ended
15:03:54 <Zakim> Attendees were SteveZ, Jeff, Mike_Champion, [IPcaller], chaals, +1.416.770.aaaa, +1.416.481.aabb, timeless
15:04:07 <timeless> s/, +1.416.770.aaaa, +1.416.481.aabb,/,/
15:04:13 <timeless> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:04:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-w3process-minutes.html timeless
15:04:42 <timeless> s/, [IPcaller]//
15:04:45 <timeless> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:04:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-w3process-minutes.html timeless
15:04:57 <timeless> trackbot, end meeting
15:04:57 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:04:57 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
15:05:05 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:05:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-w3process-minutes.html trackbot
15:05:06 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:05:06 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-w3process-actions.rdf :
15:05:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: chaals to propose new text describing the Team that mentions the Director, Fellows, the CEO, the Team, and the fact that responsibilities they have under the process may be delegated [1]
15:05:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-w3process-irc#T14-50-35
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15:06:28 <timeless> RRSAgent, make logs world
15:07:04 <timeless> s/SZ said the same thing/SZ agreed about identifying roles only as needed in the Process/
15:07:08 <timeless> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:07:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/21-w3process-minutes.html timeless
15:10:04 <timeless> RRSAgent, bye
15:10:04 <RRSAgent> I see no action items