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XHTML2 WG Weekly Teleconference

Minutes of 19 September 2007

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Sep/0010
Seen
Alessio Cartocci, Mark Birbeck, Richard Schwerdtfeger, Shane McCarron, Steven Pemberton, Tina Holmboe, Toshihiko Yamakami, Unknown yamx
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Steven Pemberton
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Steven Pemberton
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13:59:54 <Steven> zakim, this will be xhtml

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13:59:54 <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute

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14:00:08 <Steven> Meeting: XHTML2 WG Weekly Teleconference
14:00:12 <Steven> Chair: Steven
14:00:38 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Sep/0010
14:00:48 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Sep/0010

Steven Pemberton: Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Sep/0010

14:00:57 <alessio> hallo

Alessio Cartocci: hallo

14:01:31 <Steven> hi

Steven Pemberton: hi

14:02:12 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has now started

14:02:18 <Zakim> +??P24

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P24

14:02:29 <yamx> Zakim ??P24 is yamx

Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 19 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 19 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown yamx: Zakim ??P24 is yamx

14:03:12 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617

14:03:12 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made

14:03:17 <Zakim> +??P27

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27

14:03:23 <Steven> zakim, ??P24 is yamx

Steven Pemberton: zakim, ??P24 is yamx

14:03:23 <Zakim> +yamx; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +yamx; got it

14:03:34 <alessio> Zakim ??P27 is Alessio

Alessio Cartocci: Zakim ??P27 is Alessio

14:03:59 <Steven> zakim, drop steven

Steven Pemberton: zakim, drop steven

14:03:59 <Zakim> sorry, Steven, I do not see a party named 'steven'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Steven, I do not see a party named 'steven'

14:04:05 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617

14:04:05 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made

14:04:07 <Zakim> +Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven

14:04:13 <Zakim> +[IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM]

14:04:35 <Steven> zakim, [ is Rich

Steven Pemberton: zakim, [ is Rich

14:04:35 <Zakim> +Rich; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Rich; got it

14:04:57 <alessio> zakim, ??P27 is Alessio

Alessio Cartocci: zakim, ??P27 is Alessio

14:04:57 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Alessio; got it

14:08:17 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?

Mark Birbeck: zakim, code?

14:08:17 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck

14:08:52 <Zakim> +markbirbeck

Zakim IRC Bot: +markbirbeck

14:09:12 <markbirbeck> zakim, who is here?

Mark Birbeck: zakim, who is here?

14:09:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see yamx, Steven, Alessio, Rich, markbirbeck

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see yamx, Steven, Alessio, Rich, markbirbeck

14:09:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see markbirbeck, Rich, alessio, Zakim, RRSAgent, yamx, Tina, Steven, Lachy, krijnh

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see markbirbeck, Rich, alessio, Zakim, RRSAgent, yamx, Tina, Steven, Lachy, krijnh

14:10:25 <Zakim> +McCarron

Zakim IRC Bot: +McCarron

14:10:41 <Zakim> + +046708aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +046708aaaa

14:10:52 <Tina> Zakim, aaa is Tina

Tina Holmboe: Zakim, aaa is Tina

14:10:53 <Zakim> sorry, Tina, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Tina, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'

14:11:08 <Tina> Zakim, 8aaa is Tina

Tina Holmboe: Zakim, 8aaa is Tina

14:11:08 <Zakim> sorry, Tina, I do not recognize a party named '8aaa'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Tina, I do not recognize a party named '8aaa'

14:11:40 <Tina> Zakim, ++46708aaa is Tina

Tina Holmboe: Zakim, ++46708aaa is Tina

14:11:40 <Zakim> sorry, Tina, I do not recognize a party named '++46708aaa'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Tina, I do not recognize a party named '++46708aaa'

14:11:51 <Steven> zakim, aaaa is Tina

Steven Pemberton: zakim, aaaa is Tina

14:11:51 <Zakim> sorry, Steven, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Steven, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'

14:12:07 <Steven> zakim, +4 is Tina

Steven Pemberton: zakim, +4 is Tina

14:12:07 <Zakim> sorry, Steven, I do not recognize a party named '+4'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Steven, I do not recognize a party named '+4'

14:12:54 <alessio> Zakim, +46708aaa is Tina

Alessio Cartocci: Zakim, +46708aaa is Tina

14:12:54 <Zakim> sorry, alessio, I do not recognize a party named '+46708aaa'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, alessio, I do not recognize a party named '+46708aaa'

14:13:15 <Steven> zakim, who is here?

Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here?

14:13:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see yamx, Steven, Alessio, Rich, markbirbeck, McCarron, +046708aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see yamx, Steven, Alessio, Rich, markbirbeck, McCarron, +046708aabb

14:13:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see markbirbeck, Rich, alessio, Zakim, RRSAgent, yamx, Tina, Steven, Lachy, krijnh

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see markbirbeck, Rich, alessio, Zakim, RRSAgent, yamx, Tina, Steven, Lachy, krijnh

14:13:24 <Tina> My phone connection is pretty bad; sorry about that. Minutes would be poor quality.

Tina Holmboe: My phone connection is pretty bad; sorry about that. Minutes would be poor quality.

14:13:31 <Tina> Zakim, mute me

Tina Holmboe: Zakim, mute me

14:13:31 <Zakim> sorry, Tina, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Tina, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

14:13:54 <Steven> zakim, 46 is Tina

Steven Pemberton: zakim, 46 is Tina

14:13:54 <Zakim> sorry, Steven, I do not recognize a party named '46'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Steven, I do not recognize a party named '46'

14:14:04 <Steven> Scribe: Steven

(Scribe set to Steven Pemberton)

14:14:10 <Steven> Topic: Announcements

1. Announcements

14:14:16 <alessio> zakim, +046708aabb is Tina

Alessio Cartocci: zakim, +046708aabb is Tina

14:14:16 <Zakim> +Tina; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Tina; got it

14:14:21 <Zakim> -McCarron

Zakim IRC Bot: -McCarron

14:14:30 <Tina> Zakim, mute me

Tina Holmboe: Zakim, mute me

14:14:30 <Zakim> Tina should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Tina should now be muted

14:14:42 <Zakim> +McCarron

Zakim IRC Bot: +McCarron

14:14:59 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to make a reg page for Boston FtF

ACTION: Steven to make a reg page for Boston FtF

14:15:50 <Steven> Steven: Note we are meeting WEed/Thu/Fri

Steven Pemberton: Note we are meeting WEed/Thu/Fri

14:16:27 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to ensure there is a chair for next week

ACTION: Steven to ensure there is a chair for next week

14:16:37 <Steven> Steven: I can't be here next week, at a W3C.de day

Steven Pemberton: I can't be here next week, at a W3C.de day

14:17:02 <Steven> Topic: Do not deprecate the profile attribute (request from GRDDL WG)

2. Do not deprecate the profile attribute (request from GRDDL WG)

14:17:02 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Sep/0008

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Sep/0008

14:19:25 <Steven> Steven: THe GRDDL people would rather we kept @profile

Steven Pemberton: The GRDDL people would rather we kept @profile

14:19:47 <Steven> ... but the problem is that even if we kept it, people would still be able to use rel="profile"

... but the problem is that even if we kept it, people would still be able to use rel="profile"

14:20:02 <Steven> Shane: I'm not willing to give up rel="profile"; that would be a mistake

Shane McCarron: I'm not willing to give up rel="profile"; that would be a mistake

14:20:30 <Steven> ... there is also a problem is they are coopting @profile

... there is also a problem is they are coopting @profile

14:21:28 <Steven> Steven: Do the different uses, like microformats and GRDDL bite each other?

Steven Pemberton: Do the different uses, like microformats and GRDDL bite each other?

14:21:40 <Steven> ... can they work in combination?

... can they work in combination?

14:22:17 <Steven> Mark: I think they have their own URL in the profile attribute as one of the urls

Mark Birbeck: I think they have their own URL in the profile attribute as one of the urls

14:22:30 <Steven> ... and then seeing that they know they need to process the document

... and then seeing that they know they need to process the document

14:22:59 <Steven> ... then they use rels (maybe) to discover the transformation

... then they use rels (maybe) to discover the transformation

14:23:25 <Steven> Mark: They use namespaces

Mark Birbeck: They use namespaces

14:23:44 <Steven> ... there's no use of profile at all in the example I'm looking at

... there's no use of profile at all in the example I'm looking at

14:23:47 <markbirbeck> http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl/#grddl-xml

Mark Birbeck: http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl/#grddl-xml

14:24:09 <Steven> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"

<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"

14:24:09 <Steven>       xmlns:grddl='http://www.w3.org/2003/g/data-view#'

xmlns:grddl='http://www.w3.org/2003/g/data-view#'

14:24:09 <Steven>       grddl:transformation="glean_title.xsl

grddl:transformation="glean_title.xsl

14:24:09 <Steven>                http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/getAuthor.xsl"

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/getAuthor.xsl"

14:24:09 <Steven>  >

>

14:24:10 <Steven> <head>

<head>

14:25:02 <Steven> (2. Adding GRDDL to well-formed XML)

(2. Adding GRDDL to well-formed XML)

14:25:18 <Steven> Mark: It just happens that they used xhtml for their xml

Mark Birbeck: It just happens that they used xhtml for their xml

14:25:33 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl/#grddl-xhtml

http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl/#grddl-xhtml

14:25:43 <Steven> 4. Using GRDDL with valid XHTML

4. Using GRDDL with valid XHTML

14:25:57 <Steven> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">

<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">

14:25:57 <Steven>   <head profile="http://www.w3.org/2003/g/data-view">

<head profile="http://www.w3.org/2003/g/data-view">

14:26:08 <Steven>  <link rel="transformation"

<link rel="transformation"

14:26:08 <Steven>        href="http://www.w3.org/2000/06/dc-extract/dc-extract.xsl" />

href="http://www.w3.org/2000/06/dc-extract/dc-extract.xsl" />

14:27:05 <Steven> SHane: If we were nice, we would add 'transformation' to our list of rels

Shane McCarron: If we were nice, we would add 'transformation' to our list of rels

14:27:08 <Steven> Steven: Good idea

Steven Pemberton: Good idea

14:27:25 <Steven> ... and @grddly:transformation to the html element

... and @grddly:transformation to the html element

14:29:07 <Steven> Steven: WHy not use the grddl namespace declaration to detext a grddl document?

Steven Pemberton: WHy not use the grddl namespace declaration to detext a grddl document?

14:29:39 <Steven> Mark: At the least we should be saying that profile is too flaky

Mark Birbeck: At the least we should be saying that profile is too flaky

14:30:01 <Steven> ... it doesn't give you the connection between the profile url and the rel values

... it doesn't give you the connection between the profile url and the rel values

14:30:12 <Steven> ... it doesn't give you anything actually

... it doesn't give you anything actually

14:30:24 <Steven> Shane: We ought to work with them to produce a rel="grddl"

Shane McCarron: We ought to have to work with them to produce a rel="grddl"

14:30:37 <Steven> s/ought/ought to have/
14:30:46 <Steven> Shane: But it is already a Rec

Shane McCarron: But it is already a Rec

14:31:01 <Steven> Mark: Are we going to preserve this in XHTML2

Mark Birbeck: Are we going to preserve this in XHTML2

14:31:10 <Steven> ... they argue yes for backwards compatibility

... they argue yes for backwards compatibility

14:31:17 <Steven> ... but it is not an issue really

... but it is not an issue really

14:31:31 <Steven> SHane: Let me play devil's advocate

Shane McCarron: Let me play devil's advocate

14:31:50 <Steven> ... they want the same processor to work on HTML and XHTML2

... they want the same processor to work on HTML and XHTML2

14:31:58 <Steven> s/SHane/Shane/G
14:32:18 <Steven> Mark: But other document types don't have the profile attribute

Mark Birbeck: But other document types don't have the profile attribute

14:32:21 <Steven> ... why should we?

... why should we?

14:32:41 <Steven> ... We should use the other technique in XHTML2

... We should use the other technique in XHTML2

14:33:19 <Steven> ... We shoukld reply "Given you have another mechanism, why should we use the legacy mechanism, which is falky anyway?"

... We shoukld reply "Given you have another mechanism, why should we use the legacy mechanism, which is falky anyway?"

14:33:54 <Steven> Shane: Say it in a different way. "Hey, we are generic XML, and we'll even build a GRDDL module for you, so you can use the generic mechanism"

Shane McCarron: Say it in a different way. "Hey, we are generic XML, and we'll even build a GRDDL module for you, so you can use the generic mechanism"

14:34:09 <Steven> Mark: We need to think about this for RDFa too

Mark Birbeck: We need to think about this for RDFa too

14:34:42 <Steven> Shane: Since rdfa takes a CURIE in rel, it just works

Shane McCarron: Since rdfa takes a CURIE in rel, it just works

14:34:59 <Steven> ... you have to devclare the GRDDL namespace, but we do that anyway

... you have to devclare the GRDDL namespace, but they do that anyway

14:35:03 <Steven> s/we/they/
14:35:34 <Steven> Mark: And in XHTML+RDFa they should be using the generic method too

Mark Birbeck: And in XHTML+RDFa they should be using the generic method too

14:35:46 <Steven> ... rel="grddl:transformation"

... rel="grddl:transformation"

14:37:05 <Steven> Steven: But isn't their pain point that they want to be able to identify a GRDDLE doc from the root, or otherwsie head element

Steven Pemberton: But isn't their pain point that they want to be able to identify a GRDDLE doc from the root, or otherwsie head element

14:37:18 <Steven> Shane: THe GRDDL namespace should be good enough for them

Shane McCarron: The GRDDL namespace should be good enough for them

14:37:26 <Steven> s/THe/The/G
14:37:29 <Zakim> +ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM

14:37:33 <Zakim> -McCarron

Zakim IRC Bot: -McCarron

14:38:02 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to reply to GRDDL people about techniques for identifying GRDDL docs

ACTION: Steven to reply to GRDDL people about techniques for identifying GRDDL docs

14:38:23 <Steven> Missing element declarations from XHTML Modularization 1.1

Missing element declarations from XHTML Modularization 1.1

14:38:27 <Steven> Topic: Missing element declarations from XHTML Modularization 1.1

3. Missing element declarations from XHTML Modularization 1.1

14:38:33 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0029

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0029

14:39:41 <Steven> Shane: These are defined as far as I know. Let me check

Shane McCarron: These are defined as far as I know. Let me check

14:39:52 <Steven> ... Yes, in the frame module

... Yes, in the frame module

14:40:27 <Steven> Mark: Maybe they are missing in the schema, but not in the spec

Mark Birbeck: Maybe they are missing in the schema, but not in the spec

14:40:33 <Steven> Shane: Oh, he's right

Shane McCarron: Oh, he's right

14:40:50 <Steven> ... we need to reissue ruby

... we need to reissue ruby

14:40:53 <Steven> ... oh wait

... oh wait

14:40:57 <Steven> ... they are in here too

... they are in here too

14:41:20 <Steven> ... oh, he maybe right

... oh, he maybe right

14:41:36 <Steven> ACTION: Shane to fix missing elements in M12N

ACTION: Shane to fix missing elements in M12N

14:41:46 <Steven> ACTION: SHane to reply to ht

ACTION: Shane to reply to ht

14:42:07 <Steven> ACTION: Group to reissue Ruby with schema additions

ACTION: Group to reissue Ruby with schema additions

14:42:32 <Steven> Topic: XHTML Basic 1.1 DTD declares hr but it cannot be included in any element

4. XHTML Basic 1.1 DTD declares hr but it cannot be included in any element

14:42:32 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0030

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0030

14:43:40 <Steven> Steven: The abstract says that the poresentation module is included

Steven Pemberton: The abstract says that the poresentation module is included

14:43:55 <Steven> Shane: ANd we list hr too

Shane McCarron: ANd we list hr too

14:44:49 <Steven> <!ENTITY % InlPres.class

<!ENTITY % InlPres.class

14:44:49 <Steven>      "| %tt.qname; | %i.qname; | %b.qname; | %big.qname;

"| %tt.qname; | %i.qname; | %b.qname; | %big.qname;

14:44:49 <Steven>       | %small.qname; | %sub.qname; | %sup.qname;" >

| %small.qname; | %sub.qname; | %sup.qname;" >

14:44:50 <ShaneM> b, big, hr, i, small, sub, sup, tt

Shane McCarron: b, big, hr, i, small, sub, sup, tt

14:46:18 <Steven> Shane: I'll link it in

Shane McCarron: I'll link it in

14:46:28 <Steven> Steven: This will have to be a CR comment

Steven Pemberton: This will have to be a CR comment

14:46:40 <Steven> ACTION: Shane to link hr into Basic 1.1

ACTION: Shane to link hr into Basic 1.1

14:46:57 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to reply to hr comment, and make it a CR comment

ACTION: Steven to reply to hr comment, and make it a CR comment

14:47:33 <Steven> Steven: Didn't you have a testfest revently Yam?

Steven Pemberton: Didn't you have a testfest revently Yam?

14:48:06 <Steven> Yam: Starting tomorrow

Toshihiko Yamakami: Starting tomorrow

14:48:51 <Steven> ... and November in Slovenia

... and November in Slovenia

14:48:58 <Steven> ... but I'll check

... but I'll check

14:49:26 <Steven> Topic: Error in http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/REC-xhtml1-20020801

5. Error in http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/REC-xhtml1-20020801

14:49:26 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0031

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0031

14:49:58 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/REC-xhtml1-20020801/#h-4.8

http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/REC-xhtml1-20020801/#h-4.8

14:51:58 <markbirbeck> Going back to GRDDL, the spec says "This method [using @profile] is suitable for use with valid XHTML documents which are constrained by an XML DTD." In other words they are saying that this is _not_ the preferred method.

Mark Birbeck: Going back to GRDDL, the spec says "This method [using @profile] is suitable for use with valid XHTML documents which are constrained by an XML DTD." In other words they are saying that this is _not_ the preferred method.

14:52:07 <markbirbeck> o it seems legitimate to me to say that we feel no need to try to support the @profile technique, in situations where the @xmlns technique is supported.

Mark Birbeck: So it seems legitimate to me to say that we feel no need to try to support the @profile technique, in situations where the @xmlns technique is supported.

14:52:07 <Steven> Shane: Well, this is a technique to get round bugs in browsers

Shane McCarron: Well, this is a technique to get round bugs in browsers

14:52:16 <Steven> ... we shouldn't document that

... we shouldn't document that

14:52:22 <markbirbeck> s/o it/So it/
14:52:23 <Steven> ... we use this technique too

... we use this technique too

14:52:30 <Steven> ... but it shouldn't be part of a spec

... but it shouldn't be part of a spec

14:52:39 <yamx> OMA test fest 20 was from Sep 7 to Sep 14, so I will check the test reports.

Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 19 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 19 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown yamx: OMA test fest 20 was from Sep 7 to Sep 14, so I will check the test reports.

14:53:06 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to reply to script+cdata mail, saying we don't want to document it

ACTION: Steven to reply to script+cdata mail, saying we don't want to document it

14:53:49 <Steven> Topic: GRDDL again

6. GRDDL again

14:54:13 <Steven> Mark: THeir doc does seem to say that the rpofile technique is a fallback when the XML technique isn't suitable

Mark Birbeck: Their doc does seem to say that the profile technique is a fallback when the XML technique isn't suitable

14:54:20 <Steven> ... so that backs up our position

... so that backs up our position

14:54:26 <Steven> s/TH/Th/
14:54:34 <ShaneM> s/rpofile/profile/
14:54:35 <markbirbeck> For example: "To accomodate the DTD-based syntax of XHTML[XHTML], which precludes using attributes from foreign namespaces, we use http://www.w3.org/2003/g/data-view as a metadata profile (cf. section 7.4.4.3 Meta data profiles of [HTML4])."

Mark Birbeck: For example: "To accomodate the DTD-based syntax of XHTML[XHTML], which precludes using attributes from foreign namespaces, we use http://www.w3.org/2003/g/data-view as a metadata profile (cf. section 7.4.4.3 Meta data profiles of [HTML4])."

14:55:11 <Steven> Topic: role

7. role

14:55:45 <Steven> Steven: I have requested a loast call publication

Steven Pemberton: I have requested a loast call publication

14:55:53 <Steven> ... awaiting a reply about a suitable date

... awaiting a reply about a suitable date

14:56:04 <Steven> ... when that comes in, we can publish with that date

... when that comes in, we can publish with that date

14:57:05 <Steven> Topic: Modularization

8. Modularization

14:57:31 <Steven> Steven: We have gone through last call, so we should move to CR with this

Steven Pemberton: We have gone through last call, so we should move to CR with this

14:57:40 <Steven> ... do we have a DoC?

... do we have a DoC?

14:57:57 <Steven> ACTION: Shane to ensure we have a M12N DoC

ACTION: Shane to ensure we have a M12N DoC

14:58:05 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to take M12N to CR

ACTION: Steven to take M12N to CR

14:59:16 <Zakim> -ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM

14:59:17 <Zakim> -markbirbeck

Zakim IRC Bot: -markbirbeck

14:59:18 <Zakim> -Rich

Zakim IRC Bot: -Rich

14:59:20 <Zakim> -yamx

Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 19 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Zakim IRC Bot: -yamx

14:59:21 <Zakim> -Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven

14:59:22 <Steven> ADJOURN

ADJOURN

14:59:22 <Zakim> -Alessio

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio

14:59:22 <Zakim> -Tina

Zakim IRC Bot: -Tina

14:59:24 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended

14:59:25 <Zakim> Attendees were yamx, Steven, [IBM], Rich, Alessio, markbirbeck, McCarron, +046708aaaa, Tina, ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were yamx, Steven, [IBM], Rich, Alessio, markbirbeck, McCarron, +046708aaaa, Tina, ShaneM

14:59:29 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes

rrsagent, make minutes

14:59:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/19-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/19-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

14:59:47 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public

rrsagent, make log public

14:59:56 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes

rrsagent, make minutes

14:59:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/19-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/19-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

15:11:29 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am aadd

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Mark Birbeck: zakim, i am aadd

15:11:29 <Zakim> sorry, markbirbeck, I do not see a party named 'aadd'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, markbirbeck, I do not see a party named 'aadd'



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