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15:59:55 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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15:59:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394
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15:59:57 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute ←
15:59:58 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:59:58 <trackbot> Date: 13 November 2013
16:00:08 <AndyS> zakim, this is 73394
Andy Seaborne: zakim, this is 73394 ←
16:00:08 <Zakim> ok, AndyS; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, AndyS; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM ←
16:00:25 <Zakim> +??P1
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P1 ←
16:00:26 <Zakim> -??P1
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16:00:26 <Zakim> +??P1
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16:00:31 <Zakim> +Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud ←
16:00:31 <gkellogg> zakim, I am ??P1
Gregg Kellogg: zakim, I am ??P1 ←
16:00:32 <Zakim> +gkellogg; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +gkellogg; got it ←
16:00:56 <Zakim> +pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps ←
16:00:58 <yvesr> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Yves Raimond: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
16:00:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, gkellogg, Arnaud, pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P0, gkellogg, Arnaud, pfps ←
16:01:03 <Zakim> +GavinC
Zakim IRC Bot: +GavinC ←
16:01:06 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P0 is yvesr
Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P0 is yvesr ←
16:01:06 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yvesr; got it ←
16:01:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
16:01:29 <AndyS> zakim, IPcaller is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
16:01:29 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
16:03:23 <Zakim> + +1.781.642.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.781.642.aaaa ←
16:03:42 <Zakim> +AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: +AZ ←
16:04:54 <Zakim> +David_Wood
Zakim IRC Bot: +David_Wood ←
16:05:08 <davidwood> Zakim, who is here?
David Wood: Zakim, who is here? ←
16:05:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see yvesr, gkellogg, Arnaud, pfps, GavinC, AndyS, +1.781.642.aaaa, AZ, David_Wood
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see yvesr, gkellogg, Arnaud, pfps, GavinC, AndyS, +1.781.642.aaaa, AZ, David_Wood ←
16:05:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see AZ, PatH, pfps, Zakim, RRSAgent, gavinc, TallTed, AndyS, trackbot, davidwood, gkellogg, Arnaud, yvesr, manu, sandro, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see AZ, PatH, pfps, Zakim, RRSAgent, gavinc, TallTed, AndyS, trackbot, davidwood, gkellogg, Arnaud, yvesr, manu, sandro, ericP ←
16:05:28 <AZ> scribe: AZ
(Scribe set to Antoine Zimmermann)
16:06:02 <PatH> ill be on the phone in minute
Patrick Hayes: ill be on the phone in minute ←
16:06:02 <AZ> topic: Admin
16:06:09 <davidwood> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 6 Nov telecon:
David Wood: PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 6 Nov telecon: ←
16:06:09 <davidwood>
16:06:09 <davidwood> https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-11-06
David Wood: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-11-06 ←
16:06:24 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
16:06:26 <Zakim> +stevebattle7
Zakim IRC Bot: +stevebattle7 ←
16:06:36 <davidwood> RESOLVED: to accept the minutes of the 6 Nov telecon: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-11-06
RESOLVED: to accept the minutes of the 6 Nov telecon: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-11-06 ←
16:06:50 <ericP> Zakim, stevebattle7 is temporarily me
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, stevebattle7 is temporarily me ←
16:06:50 <Zakim> +ericP; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP; got it ←
16:07:30 <davidwood> Review of action items
David Wood: Review of action items ←
16:07:30 <davidwood> Proposed to spend 10 minutes clean action-item list:
David Wood: Proposed to spend 10 minutes clean action-item list: ←
16:07:30 <davidwood>
16:07:30 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview
David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview ←
16:07:30 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/open
David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/open ←
16:07:40 <AZ> davidwood: we have a lot of action items, some have to be cleaned
David Wood: we have a lot of action items, some have to be cleaned ←
16:07:57 <sandro> https://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/users/my
Sandro Hawke: https://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/users/my ←
16:09:01 <Zakim> +PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: +PatH ←
16:09:04 <AZ> davidwood: I'd like to have a draft about new features of RDF 1.1
David Wood: I'd like to have a draft about new features of RDF 1.1 ←
16:09:06 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
16:09:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see yvesr, gkellogg, Arnaud, pfps, GavinC, AndyS, +1.781.642.aaaa, AZ, David_Wood, ericP (muted), PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see yvesr, gkellogg, Arnaud, pfps, GavinC, AndyS, +1.781.642.aaaa, AZ, David_Wood, ericP (muted), PatH ←
16:09:23 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/CR-trig-20131105/#sec-differences
Gavin Carothers: http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/CR-trig-20131105/#sec-differences ←
16:09:42 <Zakim> +Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri ←
16:09:58 <AZ> gavinc: there is a section on differences between RDF 1.1 TriG and old TriG
Gavin Carothers: there is a section on differences between RDF 1.1 TriG and old TriG ←
16:10:40 <AZ> davidwood: I need point to sandro's slides
David Wood: I need point to sandro's slides ←
16:11:20 <sandro> -> http://www.w3.org/2013/Talks/0603-rdf11/ What's New in RDF 1.1
Sandro Hawke: -> http://www.w3.org/2013/Talks/0603-rdf11/ What's New in RDF 1.1 ←
16:11:21 <gkellogg> http://www.w3.org/News/Public/
Gregg Kellogg: http://www.w3.org/News/Public/ ←
16:11:48 <AZ> gkellogg: there is not a previous version of JSON-LD to show differences
Gregg Kellogg: there is not a previous version of JSON-LD to show differences ←
16:12:32 <gkellogg> Call for review by JSON-LD has great summaries, thinks to Sandro
Gregg Kellogg: Call for review by JSON-LD has great summaries, thinks to Sandro ←
16:12:34 <pchampin> zakim, what is the code
Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, what is the code ←
16:12:34 <Zakim> I don't understand 'what is the code', pchampin
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'what is the code', pchampin ←
16:12:37 <sandro> -> http://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/3389 W3C Invites Implementations of five Candidate Recommendations for version 1.1 of the Resource Description Framework (RDF)
Sandro Hawke: -> http://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/3389 W3C Invites Implementations of five Candidate Recommendations for version 1.1 of the Resource Description Framework (RDF) ←
16:12:55 <sandro> Zakim, what is the code?
Sandro Hawke: Zakim, what is the code? ←
16:12:55 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), sandro ←
16:13:03 <AZ> pfps: for Semantics, it's enough to show the differences in entailments, not all the technical differences
Peter Patel-Schneider: for Semantics, it's enough to show the differences in entailments, not all the technical differences ←
16:14:17 <Zakim> +??P15
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P15 ←
16:14:39 <AZ> sandro: I'll probably have something ready re. ACTION 73 for next
Sandro Hawke: I'll probably have something ready re. ACTION-98 for next ←
16:14:45 <AZ> ...: week
...: week ←
16:14:53 <Zakim> +??P16
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P16 ←
16:15:00 <markus> zakim, ??P16 is me
Markus Lanthaler: zakim, ??P16 is me ←
16:15:00 <Zakim> +markus; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +markus; got it ←
16:15:21 <AZ> s/ACTION 73/ACTION 98/
16:15:26 <yvesr> yep
Yves Raimond: yep ←
16:15:54 <yvesr> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-primer/index.html
Yves Raimond: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-primer/index.html ←
16:16:05 <AZ> yvesr: Guus and I are working on the primer (ACTION-159)
Yves Raimond: Guus and I are working on the primer (ACTION-159) ←
16:16:22 <AZ> yvesr: it's been updated a lot
Yves Raimond: it's been updated a lot ←
16:16:56 <AZ> davidwood: you should list previous editors
David Wood: you should list previous editors ←
16:17:02 <ericP> ack me
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ack me ←
16:18:16 <AZ> ericP: we will make some more days and will consider it closed if no response comes up
Eric Prud'hommeaux: we will make some more days and will consider it closed if no response comes up ←
16:18:36 <AZ> davidwood: we should wait about a month before closing
David Wood: we should wait about a month before closing ←
16:19:11 <AZ> PatH: I've not yet reviewed AZ's draft, will do soon
Patrick Hayes: I've not yet reviewed AZ's draft, will do soon ←
16:19:32 <AZ> PatH: Guus sent an email saying he could not review AZ's draft
Patrick Hayes: Guus sent an email saying he could not review AZ's draft ←
16:19:50 <AZ> davidwood: in this case, let us push the deadline to next week
David Wood: in this case, let us push the deadline to next week ←
16:20:30 <sandro> action-33?
16:20:30 <trackbot> action-33 -- Dan Brickley to Danbri, you wanted to note a bug in RDFS spec; it references Primer example 16 -- an example that doesn't even use rdf:value. -- due 2012-12-01 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-33 -- Dan Brickley to Danbri, you wanted to note a bug in RDFS spec; it references Primer example 16 -- an example that doesn't even use rdf:value. -- due 2012-12-01 -- OPEN ←
16:20:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/33
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/33 ←
16:20:37 <sandro> action-73?
16:20:37 <trackbot> action-73 -- Fabien Gandon to Implement http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-08-03#resolution_2 (editorial changes to RDF/XML -- due 2012-03-31 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-73 -- Fabien Gandon to Implement http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-08-03#resolution_2 (editorial changes to RDF/XML -- due 2012-03-31 -- OPEN ←
16:20:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/73
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/73 ←
16:20:40 <AZ> pfps: the easiest is to repurpose ACTION 33 onto Guus
Peter Patel-Schneider: the easiest is to repurpose ACTION-33 onto Guus ←
16:21:56 <AZ> Arnaud: I proposed to work on the RDFS document, but it seemed there was not much to do, but I can help now
Arnaud Le Hors: I proposed to work on the RDFS document, but it seemed there was not much to do, but I can help now ←
16:22:35 <sandro> actiion-194?
Sandro Hawke: actiion-194? ←
16:22:38 <sandro> action-194?
16:22:38 <trackbot> action-194 -- Guus Schreiber to Add to RDF Primary and ISSUE about multi-language representation -- due 2012-11-05 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-194 -- Guus Schreiber to Add to RDF Primary and ISSUE about multi-language representation -- due 2012-11-05 -- OPEN ←
16:22:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/194
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/194 ←
16:23:12 <AZ> sandro: will check for ISSUE 73
Sandro Hawke: will check for ISSUE-73 ←
16:24:01 <AZ> davidwood: ACTION 194 should read "Add to RDF Primer an ISSUE about multi-language representation"
David Wood: ACTION-194 should read "Add to RDF Primer an ISSUE about multi-language representation" ←
16:24:13 <AZ> davidwood: but only Guus can say it is
David Wood: but only Guus can say it is ←
16:25:15 <AndyS> Note licensing issues re BNF and WebIDL (for JSON-LD) - can W3C confirm?
Andy Seaborne: Note licensing issues re BNF and WebIDL (for JSON-LD) - can W3C confirm? ←
16:25:25 <AZ> davidwood: documents published in CR, yoohoo
David Wood: documents published in CR, yoohoo ←
16:25:52 <davidwood> davidwood has changed the topic to: CR Implementations
David Wood: davidwood has changed the topic to: CR Implementations ←
16:25:54 <AZ> davidwood: let us postpone discussions on Dataset semantics to next week
David Wood: let us postpone discussions on Dataset semantics to next week ←
16:26:00 <AZ> topic: CR implementation
16:26:09 <davidwood> Implementation reports:
David Wood: Implementation reports: ←
16:26:09 <davidwood>
16:26:09 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/#Implementation_reports
David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/#Implementation_reports ←
16:26:19 <AZ> s/implementation/implementations/
16:26:25 <PatH> reading this log in isolation might be puzzling to future historians.
Patrick Hayes: reading this log in isolation might be puzzling to future historians. ←
16:26:39 <AndyS> AndyS has changed the topic to: RDF WG - http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ - Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.11.13
Andy Seaborne: AndyS has changed the topic to: RDF WG - http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ - Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.11.13 ←
16:27:30 <gavinc> poke implementors?
Gavin Carothers: poke implementors? ←
16:28:07 <AZ> sandro: CR documents have links to implementation reports
Sandro Hawke: CR documents have links to implementation reports ←
16:28:41 <pfps> I just sent out direct email to a list of implementers of systems that can perform RDF entailment asking them to run the tests
Peter Patel-Schneider: I just sent out direct email to a list of implementers of systems that can perform RDF entailment asking them to run the tests ←
16:28:46 <AZ> gavinc: we did not ask implementers to produce proper implementation reports
Gavin Carothers: we did not ask implementers to produce proper implementation reports ←
16:29:41 <AZ> sandro: we know most of the people who implement this spec, we can email them
Sandro Hawke: we know most of the people who implement this spec, we can email them ←
16:30:03 <AZ> gavinc: implementations of Turtle probably implement other syntaxes
Gavin Carothers: implementations of Turtle probably implement other syntaxes ←
16:31:19 <AZ> gavinc: I'll contact people by email for this
Gavin Carothers: I'll contact people by email for this ←
16:31:39 <AZ> gavinc: are Andy and Gregg happy with the test suite
Gavin Carothers: are Andy and Gregg happy with the test suite ←
16:31:40 <PatH> Should we send comments on the primer to the editors at this stage or wait until later?
Patrick Hayes: Should we send comments on the primer to the editors at this stage or wait until later? ←
16:32:01 <AZ> gkellogg: happy with the test suite
Gregg Kellogg: happy with the test suite ←
16:32:28 <PatH> will do
Patrick Hayes: will do ←
16:32:32 <AZ> yvesr: we welcome comments to primer
Yves Raimond: we welcome comments to primer ←
16:32:42 <davidwood> ▪ Turtle: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments
David Wood: ▪ Turtle: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments ←
16:32:42 <davidwood> ▪ Other documents: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/CR_comments_Concepts_Semantics_TriG_N-Triples_N-Quads
David Wood: ▪ Other documents: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/CR_comments_Concepts_Semantics_TriG_N-Triples_N-Quads ←
16:32:44 <AZ> topic: CR comments
16:33:26 <AZ> davidwood: everything's been address for Turtle
David Wood: everything's been address for Turtle ←
16:34:06 <AZ> ericP: 13 is a nack, otherwise is fine
Eric Prud'hommeaux: 13 is a nack, otherwise is fine ←
16:35:03 <AZ> ericP: I have to contact David Robillard to know if he wants to formally object
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I have to contact David Robillard to know if he wants to formally object ←
16:35:44 <ericP> ... over a test suite
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... over a test suite ←
16:35:59 <AndyS> I don't see a reply to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Feb/0031.html (want to ref it for TriG comment)
Andy Seaborne: I don't see a reply to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Feb/0031.html (want to ref it for TriG comment) ←
16:36:20 <davidwood> ISSUE-170
16:36:20 <trackbot> ISSUE-170 -- CR comment: Normative links to RDF-1.1 Concepts -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-170 -- CR comment: Normative links to RDF-1.1 Concepts -- open ←
16:36:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/170
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/170 ←
16:36:58 <Zakim> -yvesr
Zakim IRC Bot: -yvesr ←
16:37:06 <AZ> ISSUE 170 is about ntriples and nquads that have no reference to RDF 1.1 Concepts
ISSUE-170 is about ntriples and nquads that have no reference to RDF 1.1 Concepts ←
16:37:18 <davidwood> ISSUE-171
16:37:18 <trackbot> ISSUE-171 -- CR comment: backwards compatibility with respect to UTF-8/US-ASCII -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-171 -- CR comment: backwards compatibility with respect to UTF-8/US-ASCII -- open ←
16:37:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/171
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/171 ←
16:37:32 <Zakim> +??P0
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0 ←
16:37:36 <AZ> gavinc: ISSUE 171 is also in relation to nquads
Gavin Carothers: ISSUE-171 is also in relation to nquads ←
16:37:42 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P0 is me
Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P0 is me ←
16:37:42 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yvesr; got it ←
16:38:24 <AZ> gavinc: implementations of the previous nquads are never strictly following the old nquads specification
Gavin Carothers: implementations of the previous nquads are never strictly following the old nquads specification ←
16:38:51 <AZ> gavinc: so I would just say "no" to handling ISSUE 171
Gavin Carothers: so I would just say "no" to handling ISSUE-171 ←
16:39:53 <davidwood> ISSUE-172
16:39:53 <trackbot> ISSUE-172 -- CR comment: Case-sensitivity of base and prefix directives -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-172 -- CR comment: Case-sensitivity of base and prefix directives -- open ←
16:39:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/172
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/172 ←
16:40:36 <AZ> gavinc: we haven't written a response to ISSUE 172
Gavin Carothers: we haven't written a response to ISSUE-172 ←
16:41:33 <AZ> gavinc: "Ack" in the page on other comments means we acknowledge (as opposed to the page for Turtle comments)
Gavin Carothers: "Ack" in the page on other comments means we acknowledge (as opposed to the page for Turtle comments) ←
16:43:16 <AZ> gavinc: I cannot point to anything because the decision hasn't been made public
Gavin Carothers: I cannot point to anything because the decision hasn't been made public ←
16:43:37 <AZ> AndyS: we can point to the resolution to publish as a CR
Andy Seaborne: we can point to the resolution to publish as a CR ←
16:43:54 <AZ> topic: RDF Schema
16:44:29 <AZ> sandro: Guus did the edits
Sandro Hawke: Guus did the edits ←
16:44:40 <AZ> davidwood: but Guus is not listed as an editor
David Wood: but Guus is not listed as an editor ←
16:44:43 <davidwood> Changes https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-schema/index.html#PER-changes
David Wood: Changes https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-schema/index.html#PER-changes ←
16:45:49 <AZ> davidwood: all the minor changes have been agreed upon
David Wood: all the minor changes have been agreed upon ←
16:46:00 <AZ> ...: we need reviewers
...: we need reviewers ←
16:46:05 <PatH> Is the editor list still correct?
Patrick Hayes: Is the editor list still correct? ←
16:46:15 <PatH> Dan B & Guha?
Patrick Hayes: Dan B & Guha? ←
16:46:24 <PatH> OK
Patrick Hayes: OK ←
16:46:28 <sandro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Nov/0043.html
Sandro Hawke: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Nov/0043.html ←
16:46:48 <AZ> davidwood: Guus considered he should not be listed because the changes are so minor
David Wood: Guus considered he should not be listed because the changes are so minor ←
16:46:54 <PatH> Might want to just let Guha know.
Patrick Hayes: Might want to just let Guha know. ←
16:47:06 <AZ> davidwood: should we contact Guha and danbri to republish under his name
David Wood: should we contact Guha and danbri to republish under his name ←
16:47:56 <AZ> sandro: we need to be sure Dan will not work on it anymore
Sandro Hawke: we need to be sure Dan will not work on it anymore ←
16:48:38 <PatH> is giving a hard deadline related to giving a hard time?
Patrick Hayes: is giving a hard deadline related to giving a hard time? ←
16:49:16 <sandro> it's more like doing hard time, PatH
Sandro Hawke: it's more like doing hard time, PatH ←
16:50:02 <PatH> :-)
Patrick Hayes: :-) ←
16:50:37 <AZ> PatH: we must add the new datatypes
Patrick Hayes: we must add the new datatypes ←
16:50:50 <pfps> +1.1
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1.1 ←
16:50:59 <PatH> +1.1 Schema
Patrick Hayes: +1.1 Schema ←
16:51:11 <sandro> +0.7 RDF 1.1: Schema
Sandro Hawke: +0.7 RDF 1.1: Schema ←
16:52:11 <AZ> ericP: the word "schema" is confusing
Eric Prud'hommeaux: the word "schema" is confusing ←
16:52:23 <AZ> ericP: schema usually refers to constraints
Eric Prud'hommeaux: schema usually refers to constraints ←
16:52:28 <gavinc> SOL... ;)
Gavin Carothers: SOL... ;) ←
16:52:30 <AndyS> PREFIX rdfs: <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#>
Andy Seaborne: PREFIX rdfs: <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#> ←
16:52:53 <sandro> RDF 1.1 Vocabulary
Sandro Hawke: RDF 1.1 Vocabulary ←
16:53:16 <markus> what about just "RDFS 1.1"
Markus Lanthaler: what about just "RDFS 1.1" ←
16:54:12 <sandro> "The rdf: and rdfs: Namespace Document"
Sandro Hawke: "The rdf: and rdfs: Namespace Document" ←
16:54:13 <Zakim> +karima
Zakim IRC Bot: +karima ←
16:54:14 <AZ> PatH: there is not only one vocabulary
Patrick Hayes: there is not only one vocabulary ←
16:55:07 <FabGandon> Zakim, karima is me
Fabien Gandon: Zakim, karima is me ←
16:55:08 <Zakim> +FabGandon; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +FabGandon; got it ←
16:55:30 <gavinc> RDF Vocabulary Description Language 1.1: RDF Schema
Gavin Carothers: RDF Vocabulary Description Language 1.1: RDF Schema ←
16:55:36 <gavinc> ... is that BETTER?!
Gavin Carothers: ... is that BETTER?! ←
16:56:23 <PatH> RDF 1.1 My Very FIrst RDF Vocabulary
Patrick Hayes: RDF 1.1 My Very FIrst RDF Vocabulary ←
16:56:35 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
16:56:37 <AZ> sandro: for many people "vocabulary" and "ontology" are synonyms
Sandro Hawke: for many people "vocabulary" and "ontology" are synonyms ←
16:56:41 <Arnaud> RDF 1.1 Vocabulary Description Language: RDFS
Arnaud Le Hors: RDF 1.1 Vocabulary Description Language: RDFS ←
16:56:41 <pchampin> what about "core vocabulary"?
Pierre-Antoine Champin: what about "core vocabulary"? ←
16:57:08 <PatH> +1 to "RDFS" and not spelling it out.
Patrick Hayes: +1 to "RDFS" and not spelling it out. ←
16:57:11 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
16:57:29 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-schema/#ch_first
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-schema/#ch_first ←
16:57:44 <AZ> Arnaud: why not just rename it RDFS and not spell out
Arnaud Le Hors: why not just rename it RDFS and not spell out ←
16:57:58 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#first
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#first ←
16:59:17 <gavinc> ... 5 weeks ...
Gavin Carothers: ... 5 weeks ... ←
16:59:43 <PatH> A lot of section 5 is already in an appendix in Semantics.
Patrick Hayes: A lot of section 5 is already in an appendix in Semantics. ←
16:59:45 <AZ> sandro: it could go to the name space document
Sandro Hawke: it could go to the name space document ←
17:00:06 <pfps> if RDFS goes, then RDF Primer becomes more important
Peter Patel-Schneider: if RDFS goes, then RDF Primer becomes more important ←
17:01:00 <gavinc> If < x,y > is in IEXT(I(rdfs:range)) and < u,v > is in IEXT(x) then v is in ICEXT(y)
Gavin Carothers: If < x,y > is in IEXT(I(rdfs:range)) and < u,v > is in IEXT(x) then v is in ICEXT(y) ←
17:01:10 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-mt/#rdfs-interpretations
Gavin Carothers: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-mt/#rdfs-interpretations ←
17:01:12 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
17:01:58 <AZ> pfps: primer should have something on schema
Peter Patel-Schneider: primer should have something on schema ←
17:02:09 <yvesr> there is something about RDFS in the primer
Yves Raimond: there is something about RDFS in the primer ←
17:02:14 <AZ> ...: and we have to be sure that all the things in schema that matters are in primer
...: and we have to be sure that all the things in schema that matters are in primer ←
17:02:38 <yvesr> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-primer/index.html#section-vocabulary
Yves Raimond: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-primer/index.html#section-vocabulary ←
17:02:54 <yvesr> (in a section called 'RDF Vocabularies', interestingly)
Yves Raimond: (in a section called 'RDF Vocabularies', interestingly) ←
17:03:13 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
17:03:29 <Arnaud> pulling the document altogether seems a bit too drastic to me
Arnaud Le Hors: pulling the document altogether seems a bit too drastic to me ←
17:03:58 <sandro> A triple of the form:
Sandro Hawke: A triple of the form: ←
17:03:58 <sandro> R rdfs:comment L
Sandro Hawke: R rdfs:comment L ←
17:03:58 <sandro> states that L is a human readable description of R.
Sandro Hawke: states that L is a human readable description of R. ←
17:04:11 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-schema/#ch_comment
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-schema/#ch_comment ←
17:04:35 <AZ> sandro: RDFS states what the terms informally means
Sandro Hawke: RDFS states what the terms informally means ←
17:05:01 <gavinc> e.g. rdfs:comment rdfs:range rdfs:Literal .
Gavin Carothers: e.g. rdfs:comment rdfs:range rdfs:Literal . ←
17:05:21 <Zakim> +Guus_Schreiber
Zakim IRC Bot: +Guus_Schreiber ←
17:05:38 <Zakim> -yvesr
Zakim IRC Bot: -yvesr ←
17:05:50 <markus> +1 to create namespace documents
Markus Lanthaler: +1 to create namespace documents ←
17:05:50 <AZ> sandro: I'd like to turn this document into 2 namespace documents
Sandro Hawke: I'd like to turn this document into 2 namespace documents ←
17:06:39 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-schema/#ch_container
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-schema/#ch_container ←
17:07:00 <AZ> gavinc: the two vocbaularies are completely intertwined so you would need it to be one document
Gavin Carothers: the two vocbaularies are completely intertwined so you would need it to be one document ←
17:07:09 <pfps> the discussion is about getting rid of RDF Schema document in favour of namespace documents and extra stuff in Primer
Peter Patel-Schneider: the discussion is about getting rid of RDF Schema document in favour of namespace documents and extra stuff in Primer ←
17:07:51 <davidwood> Thanks to pfps for taking over ACTION-33
David Wood: Thanks to pfps for taking over ACTION-33 ←
17:08:55 <pfps> the actual work on RDF Schema might be worthwhile, as that stuff may end up elsewhere
Peter Patel-Schneider: the actual work on RDF Schema might be worthwhile, as that stuff may end up elsewhere ←
17:09:08 <PatH> It contains this masterpiece which should be preserved:"Just as a hen house may have the property that it is made of wood, that does not mean that all the hens it contains are made of wood, a property of a container is not necessarily a property of all of its members."
Patrick Hayes: It contains this masterpiece which should be preserved:"Just as a hen house may have the property that it is made of wood, that does not mean that all the hens it contains are made of wood, a property of a container is not necessarily a property of all of its members." ←
17:09:09 <AZ> topic: AOB
17:10:13 <Zakim> -pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: -pfps ←
17:11:02 <AZ> gavinc: I don't think we will have XMLLiteral and rdf:HTML as normative because we won't have anything to reference
Gavin Carothers: I don't think we will have XMLLiteral and rdf:HTML as normative because we won't have anything to reference ←
17:11:20 <PatH> They are referred to normatively in Semantics
Patrick Hayes: They are referred to normatively in Semantics ←
17:11:54 <PatH> I thinkso
Patrick Hayes: I thinkso ←
17:12:32 <ericP> Zakim, who is muted?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, who is muted? ←
17:12:32 <Zakim> I see no one muted
Zakim IRC Bot: I see no one muted ←
17:13:48 <PatH> Seems like a very noisy post-adjournment session.
Patrick Hayes: Seems like a very noisy post-adjournment session. ←
17:14:40 <davidwood> Adjourned
David Wood: Adjourned ←
17:15:19 <Guus> trackbot, end meeting
Guus Schreiber: trackbot, end meeting ←
17:15:19 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
17:15:19 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Arnaud, gkellogg, pfps, GavinC, yvesr, AndyS, +1.781.642.aaaa, AZ, David_Wood, ericP, PatH, Souri, pchampin, markus, FabGandon,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Arnaud, gkellogg, pfps, GavinC, yvesr, AndyS, +1.781.642.aaaa, AZ, David_Wood, ericP, PatH, Souri, pchampin, markus, FabGandon, ←
17:15:22 <Zakim> ... Guus_Schreiber
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Guus_Schreiber ←
17:15:27 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
17:15:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/13-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot
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17:15:28 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
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17:15:28 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
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