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14:57:47 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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14:57:48 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:57:48 <trackbot> Date: 11 September 2013
15:00:28 <TallTed> TallTed has changed the topic to: RDF WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ -- agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.09.11
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15:00:30 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
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15:00:30 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, Guus
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15:00:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Guus, pchampin, AndyS, gavinc, TallTed, ivan, manu, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, sandro, ericP
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15:01:08 <gavinc> Zakim, start meeting
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15:01:08 <Zakim> I don't understand 'start meeting', gavinc
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15:01:24 <gavinc> [08:00] <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, Guus
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15:01:31 <TallTed> Zakim, this is rdfwg
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15:01:32 <Zakim> ok, TallTed; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM
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15:01:35 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?
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15:01:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, Sandro, GavinC, [IPcaller], OpenLink_Software, +1.707.874.aaaa
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15:01:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see cgreer, Zakim, RRSAgent, Guus, pchampin, AndyS, gavinc, TallTed, ivan, manu, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, sandro, ericP
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15:01:42 <cgreer> zakim, aaaa is me
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15:01:43 <AndyS> zakim, IPcaller is me
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15:01:43 <Zakim> +cgreer; got it
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15:01:44 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
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15:01:47 <Zakim> +??P13
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15:01:52 <Zakim> -AndyS
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15:01:55 <pchampin> zakim, ??p13 is me
Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, ??p13 is me ←
15:01:55 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
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15:01:55 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it
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15:02:14 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
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15:02:14 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:02:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, Sandro, GavinC, TallTed (muted), cgreer, pchampin, [IPcaller]
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15:02:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see cgreer, Zakim, RRSAgent, Guus, pchampin, AndyS, gavinc, TallTed, ivan, manu, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, sandro, ericP
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15:02:19 <AndyS> zakim, IPcaller is me
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15:02:19 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
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15:02:25 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
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15:02:27 <Zakim> +Ivan
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15:04:01 <Zakim> + +1.408.992.aabb
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15:04:44 <pchampin> scribe: pchampin
(Scribe set to Pierre-Antoine Champin)
15:05:24 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here? ←
15:05:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, Sandro, GavinC, TallTed (muted), cgreer, pchampin, AndyS, Ivan, +1.408.992.aabb
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15:05:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see cgreer, Zakim, RRSAgent, Guus, pchampin, AndyS, gavinc, TallTed, ivan, manu, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, sandro, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see cgreer, Zakim, RRSAgent, Guus, pchampin, AndyS, gavinc, TallTed, ivan, manu, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, sandro, ericP ←
15:06:16 <pchampin> topic: Remaining work to be done
15:06:58 <pchampin> sandro: discussed with the chairs this morning to set up a timeline of the things we need to do
Sandro Hawke: discussed with the chairs this morning to set up a timeline of the things we need to do ←
15:07:02 <pfps> zakim, who is on the phone?
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:07:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, Sandro, GavinC, TallTed (muted), cgreer, pchampin, AndyS, Ivan, +1.408.992.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, Sandro, GavinC, TallTed (muted), cgreer, pchampin, AndyS, Ivan, +1.408.992.aabb ←
15:07:10 <pfps> zakim, aabb is me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, aabb is me ←
15:07:10 <Zakim> +pfps; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps; got it ←
15:07:36 <pchampin> ... we have to provide some work if we don't find some documents to be left out
... we have to provide some work if we don't find some documents to be left out ←
15:07:48 <pchampin> ... but it seems manageable
... but it seems manageable ←
15:08:00 <pchampin> ... We need test suites for everything;
... We need test suites for everything; ←
15:08:28 <pchampin> ... most things have it, except for semantics - could probably adapt the one from 2004
... most things have it, except for semantics - could probably adapt the one from 2004 ←
15:08:36 <gavinc> N-Triples, N-Quads, and TriG publish perfectly fine with phantom JS. For Turtle I guess I need to figure out what all remaining differences between the published version and the dvcs version are.
Gavin Carothers: N-Triples, N-Quads, and TriG publish perfectly fine with phantom JS. For Turtle I guess I need to figure out what all remaining differences between the published version and the dvcs version are. ←
15:09:14 <pchampin> ... We have to handle all the comments.
... We have to handle all the comments. ←
15:09:45 <Zakim> +AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: +AZ ←
15:09:52 <pchampin> ... We need implementations, with enough people on board.
... We need implementations, with enough people on board. ←
15:10:36 <pchampin> Guus: we have to have all the documents on REC track in PR before the 1st of december,
Guus Schreiber: we have to have all the documents on REC track in PR before the 1st of december, ←
15:11:03 <pchampin> ... as well as implementation reports for the tests.
... as well as implementation reports for the tests. ←
15:11:18 <Zakim> +??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←
15:11:22 <AZ> Note on Dataset semantics soon ready for a first round of review
Antoine Zimmermann: Note on Dataset semantics soon ready for a first round of review ←
15:11:28 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P8 is me
Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P8 is me ←
15:11:28 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yvesr; got it ←
15:12:14 <pchampin> Sandro: in order to have all the inter-document links to work, we must all use the same version of ReSpec.
Sandro Hawke: in order to have all the inter-document links to work, we must all use the same version of ReSpec. ←
15:13:18 <pchampin> ... The documents should be reviewed during December and published in January;
... The documents should be reviewed during December and published in January; ←
15:13:30 <pchampin> ... by then, the WG will have nothing to do -- if everything goes smoothly.
... by then, the WG will have nothing to do -- if everything goes smoothly. ←
15:14:02 <gavinc> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/file/default/trig/tests
Gavin Carothers: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/file/default/trig/tests ←
15:14:52 <pchampin> Sandro: Re. Trig, there are implementations, so we may be able to skip CR,
Sandro Hawke: Re. Trig, there are implementations, so we may be able to skip CR, ←
15:15:15 <pchampin> ... provided that we mention it in the LC.
... provided that we mention it in the LC. ←
15:16:38 <pchampin> Topic: admin
15:16:43 <pchampin> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 4 Sep telecon: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-09-04
PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 4 Sep telecon: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-09-04 ←
15:17:56 <pchampin> RESOLVED to accept the minutes of the 4 Sep telecon
RESOLVED to accept the minutes of the 4 Sep telecon ←
15:18:06 <pchampin> topic: Review of action items
15:18:20 <pchampin> Guus: Arnaud completed his action re. the RDF-JSON note
Guus Schreiber: Arnaud completed his action re. the RDF-JSON note ←
15:18:50 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:19:29 <pchampin> AndyS: the Trig document is ready today
Andy Seaborne: the Trig document is ready today ←
15:20:00 <gavinc> ACTION-284 is done
Gavin Carothers: ACTION-284 is done ←
15:20:17 <pchampin> Ivan: the i18n WG has taken our comments into account
Ivan Herman: the i18n WG has taken our comments into account ←
15:20:54 <pchampin> topic: N-Triples / N-Quads
15:21:02 <pchampin> Guus: these documents have been published
Guus Schreiber: these documents have been published ←
15:21:12 <pchampin> http://www.w3.org/News/2013#entry-9932
http://www.w3.org/News/2013#entry-9932 ←
15:21:59 <pchampin> Gavin: do we have a timeline for LC, in order to decide about the features at risk?
Gavin Carothers: do we have a timeline for LC, in order to decide about the features at risk? ←
15:22:18 <pchampin> topic: Trig
15:22:23 <AndyS> TriG LC -- 3 week LC i.e. minimum
Andy Seaborne: TriG LC -- 3 week LC i.e. minimum ←
15:22:27 <pchampin> Guus: we need to decide early november
Guus Schreiber: we need to decide early november ←
15:23:22 <pchampin> topic: LC Comments on Concepts, Semantics
15:23:30 <pchampin> Guus: we can not look at the comments
Guus Schreiber: we can not look at the comments ←
15:24:17 <pchampin> ... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Sep/0009.html is merely editorial (ReSpec issues)
... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Sep/0009.html is merely editorial (ReSpec issues) ←
15:24:35 <pchampin> ... ISSUE-141
15:25:38 <pchampin> Ivan: ISSUE-141 (Fragment identifiers) came up in our comments with ITS
Ivan Herman: ISSUE-141 (Fragment identifiers) came up in our comments with ITS ←
15:25:56 <pchampin> ... I don't believe it was meant as a required change in our documents
... I don't believe it was meant as a required change in our documents ←
15:25:59 <AndyS> ISSUE-141?
15:25:59 <trackbot> ISSUE-141 -- Fragment Identifiers (Sebastian Hellmann) -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-141 -- Fragment Identifiers (Sebastian Hellmann) -- open ←
15:25:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/141
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/141 ←
15:26:27 <pchampin> ... Somebody should ask Sebastian what he really meant.
... Somebody should ask Sebastian what he really meant. ←
15:28:01 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
15:28:13 <pchampin> ... Sebastian made a point during a discussion that he didn't mention in his mail:
... Sebastian made a point during a discussion that he didn't mention in his mail: ←
15:28:34 <pchampin> ... something in the FragID section of 2004 disappeared in the new spec
... something in the FragID section of 2004 disappeared in the new spec ←
15:28:50 <pchampin> ... (scribe didn't precisely caught up what was that something...)
... (scribe didn't precisely caught up what was that something...) ←
15:29:05 <pchampin> ... but I'm not sure he wants it to change.
... but I'm not sure he wants it to change. ←
15:29:25 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:29:27 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPCaller is me ←
15:29:27 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
15:29:36 <AndyS> fg
Andy Seaborne: fg ←
15:29:43 <gavinc> I don't see anything missing from the new Fragment Identifiers section, except that the old one was normative and the new one isn't?
Gavin Carothers: I don't see anything missing from the new Fragment Identifiers section, except that the old one was normative and the new one isn't? ←
15:30:23 <pchampin> Guus: can you answer his question?
Guus Schreiber: can you answer his question? ←
15:30:29 <gavinc> It's a non-normative section in RDF 1.1
Gavin Carothers: It's a non-normative section in RDF 1.1 ←
15:30:30 <gavinc> do we care?
Gavin Carothers: do we care? ←
15:30:54 <pfps> ship it.
Peter Patel-Schneider: ship it. ←
15:31:50 <pchampin> ACTION Ivan to respond to ISSUE-141
ACTION Ivan to respond to ISSUE-141 ←
15:31:50 <trackbot> 'Ivan' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., ivan, imikhail).
Trackbot IRC Bot: 'Ivan' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., ivan, imikhail). ←
15:32:38 <pfps> q+
15:32:56 <pchampin> Guus: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Sep/0005.html
Guus Schreiber: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Sep/0005.html ←
15:33:15 <ivan> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
15:33:39 <pchampin> ... we've discussed this at length,
... we've discussed this at length, ←
15:33:49 <pchampin> ... I feel there is not much we can do here
... I feel there is not much we can do here ←
15:35:30 <pchampin> ACTION pfps to draft a response to Jeremy
ACTION pfps to draft a response to Jeremy ←
15:35:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-290 - Draft a response to jeremy [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2013-09-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-290 - Draft a response to jeremy [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2013-09-18]. ←
15:36:07 <pchampin> Topic: test suite for semantics
15:36:29 <pchampin> pfps: what new stuff is required (compared to the previous test suite)?
Peter Patel-Schneider: what new stuff is required (compared to the previous test suite)? ←
15:37:40 <AZ> I can help
Antoine Zimmermann: I can help ←
15:37:46 <pchampin> ... but I can start.
... but I can start. ←
15:38:06 <AZ> I can look at the old test suite
Antoine Zimmermann: I can look at the old test suite ←
15:38:31 <pchampin> Guus: so Peter can look at the new document, and Antoine look at the old test suite.
Guus Schreiber: so Peter can look at the new document, and Antoine look at the old test suite. ←
15:39:02 <pchampin> ACTION pfps to start the new test suite document for semantics
ACTION pfps to start the new test suite document for semantics ←
15:39:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-291 - Start the new test suite document for semantics [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2013-09-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-291 - Start the new test suite document for semantics [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2013-09-18]. ←
15:39:20 <pchampin> ACTION AZ to review the previous semantics test-suite
ACTION AZ to review the previous semantics test-suite ←
15:39:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-292 - Review the previous semantics test-suite [on Antoine Zimmermann - due 2013-09-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-292 - Review the previous semantics test-suite [on Antoine Zimmermann - due 2013-09-18]. ←
15:39:59 <pchampin> Guus: I think there were no comments on semantics.
Guus Schreiber: I think there were no comments on semantics. ←
15:40:04 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:40:10 <pchampin> pfps: Jeremy's comment is on semantics.
Peter Patel-Schneider: Jeremy's comment is on semantics. ←
15:41:10 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments
Gavin Carothers: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments ←
15:42:02 <pchampin> Guus: we can do a similar page for comments on other documents
Guus Schreiber: we can do a similar page for comments on other documents ←
15:43:36 <pchampin> topic: Turtle
15:43:52 <pchampin> Guus: Sandro pointed out that there are still issues about comments
Guus Schreiber: Sandro pointed out that there are still issues about comments ←
15:44:41 <gavinc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Apr/0057.html
Gavin Carothers: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Apr/0057.html ←
15:44:46 <pchampin> ... some comments being not properly tracked.
... some comments being not properly tracked. ←
15:46:06 <pchampin> Gavin: but I don't have an answer to this comment.
Gavin Carothers: but I don't have an answer to this comment. ←
15:48:00 <pchampin> ... Also, it seems that the published version is not one recorded in the VCS.
... Also, it seems that the published version is not one recorded in the VCS. ←
15:48:15 <gavinc> ACTION Gavin update turtle ED to match published Turtle CR document
Gavin Carothers: ACTION Gavin update turtle ED to match published Turtle CR document ←
15:48:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-293 - Update turtle ed to match published turtle cr document [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-09-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-293 - Update turtle ed to match published turtle cr document [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-09-18]. ←
15:48:43 <pchampin> Guus: how are we with the implementation report?
Guus Schreiber: how are we with the implementation report? ←
15:48:54 <pchampin> Gavin: doing great: we have 7 implementations.
Gavin Carothers: doing great: we have 7 implementations. ←
15:49:48 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
15:49:53 <Zakim> -TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed ←
15:49:54 <Zakim> -GavinC
Zakim IRC Bot: -GavinC ←
15:49:54 <Zakim> -AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: -AZ ←
15:49:55 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
15:49:56 <pchampin> Guus: end of the agenda; next week we'll decide on LC for Trig.
Guus Schreiber: end of the agenda; next week we'll decide on LC for Trig. ←
15:50:02 <pchampin> ... Adjourned
... Adjourned ←
15:50:03 <Zakim> -cgreer
Zakim IRC Bot: -cgreer ←
15:50:22 <Zakim> -pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: -pfps ←
15:51:51 <Zakim> -yvesr
Zakim IRC Bot: -yvesr ←
15:52:38 <Guus> pa, do you want help with the editing?
Guus Schreiber: pa, do you want help with the editing? ←
15:52:50 <Guus> trackbot, end meeting
Guus Schreiber: trackbot, end meeting ←
15:52:50 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
15:52:50 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Guus_Schreiber, Sandro, GavinC, +1.707.874.aaaa, cgreer, AndyS, pchampin, TallTed, Ivan, +1.408.992.aabb, pfps, AZ, yvesr
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Guus_Schreiber, Sandro, GavinC, +1.707.874.aaaa, cgreer, AndyS, pchampin, TallTed, Ivan, +1.408.992.aabb, pfps, AZ, yvesr ←
15:52:58 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
15:52:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/11-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/11-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot ←
15:52:59 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
15:52:59 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
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