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RDF Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 11 September 2013

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Andy Seaborne, Antoine Zimmermann, Charles Greer, Gavin Carothers, Guus Schreiber, Ivan Herman, Peter Patel-Schneider, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Sandro Hawke, Ted Thibodeau, Yves Raimond
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14:57:43 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/09/11-rdf-wg-irc

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14:57:47 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394

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14:57:47 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

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14:57:48 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:57:48 <trackbot> Date: 11 September 2013
15:00:28 <TallTed> TallTed has changed the topic to: RDF WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ -- agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.09.11

Ted Thibodeau: TallTed has changed the topic to: RDF WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ -- agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.09.11

15:00:30 <Guus> zakim, who is here?

Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here?

15:00:30 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, Guus

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, Guus

15:00:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Guus, pchampin, AndyS, gavinc, TallTed, ivan, manu, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, sandro, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Guus, pchampin, AndyS, gavinc, TallTed, ivan, manu, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, sandro, ericP

15:01:08 <gavinc> Zakim, start meeting

Gavin Carothers: Zakim, start meeting

15:01:08 <Zakim> I don't understand 'start meeting', gavinc

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'start meeting', gavinc

15:01:24 <gavinc> [08:00] <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, Guus

Gavin Carothers: [08:00] <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, Guus

15:01:31 <TallTed> Zakim, this is rdfwg

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, this is rdfwg

15:01:32 <Zakim> ok, TallTed; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, TallTed; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM

15:01:33 <Zakim> + +1.707.874.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.707.874.aaaa

15:01:35 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here?

15:01:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, Sandro, GavinC, [IPcaller], OpenLink_Software, +1.707.874.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, Sandro, GavinC, [IPcaller], OpenLink_Software, +1.707.874.aaaa

15:01:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see cgreer, Zakim, RRSAgent, Guus, pchampin, AndyS, gavinc, TallTed, ivan, manu, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, sandro, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see cgreer, Zakim, RRSAgent, Guus, pchampin, AndyS, gavinc, TallTed, ivan, manu, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, sandro, ericP

15:01:42 <cgreer> zakim, aaaa is me

Charles Greer: zakim, aaaa is me

15:01:43 <AndyS> zakim, IPcaller is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPcaller is me

15:01:43 <Zakim> +cgreer; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cgreer; got it

15:01:44 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it

15:01:47 <Zakim> +??P13

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13

15:01:52 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

15:01:55 <pchampin> zakim, ??p13 is me

Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, ??p13 is me

15:01:55 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

15:01:55 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pchampin; got it

15:01:55 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +TallTed; got it

15:01:57 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:01:57 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

15:02:14 <Guus> zakim, who is here?

Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here?

15:02:14 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:02:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, Sandro, GavinC, TallTed (muted), cgreer, pchampin, [IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, Sandro, GavinC, TallTed (muted), cgreer, pchampin, [IPcaller]

15:02:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see cgreer, Zakim, RRSAgent, Guus, pchampin, AndyS, gavinc, TallTed, ivan, manu, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, sandro, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see cgreer, Zakim, RRSAgent, Guus, pchampin, AndyS, gavinc, TallTed, ivan, manu, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, sandro, ericP

15:02:19 <AndyS> zakim, IPcaller is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPcaller is me

15:02:19 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it

15:02:25 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

15:02:25 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made

15:02:27 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

15:04:01 <Zakim> + +1.408.992.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.408.992.aabb

15:04:44 <pchampin> scribe: pchampin

(Scribe set to Pierre-Antoine Champin)

15:05:24 <Guus> zakim, who is here?

Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here?

15:05:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, Sandro, GavinC, TallTed (muted), cgreer, pchampin, AndyS, Ivan, +1.408.992.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, Sandro, GavinC, TallTed (muted), cgreer, pchampin, AndyS, Ivan, +1.408.992.aabb

15:05:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see cgreer, Zakim, RRSAgent, Guus, pchampin, AndyS, gavinc, TallTed, ivan, manu, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, sandro, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see cgreer, Zakim, RRSAgent, Guus, pchampin, AndyS, gavinc, TallTed, ivan, manu, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, sandro, ericP

15:06:16 <pchampin> topic: Remaining work to be done

1. Remaining work to be done

15:06:58 <pchampin> sandro: discussed with the chairs this morning to set up a timeline of the things we need to do

Sandro Hawke: discussed with the chairs this morning to set up a timeline of the things we need to do

15:07:02 <pfps> zakim, who is on the phone?

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:07:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, Sandro, GavinC, TallTed (muted), cgreer, pchampin, AndyS, Ivan, +1.408.992.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, Sandro, GavinC, TallTed (muted), cgreer, pchampin, AndyS, Ivan, +1.408.992.aabb

15:07:10 <pfps> zakim, aabb is me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, aabb is me

15:07:10 <Zakim> +pfps; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps; got it

15:07:36 <pchampin> ... we have to provide some work if we don't find some documents to be left out

... we have to provide some work if we don't find some documents to be left out

15:07:48 <pchampin> ... but it seems manageable

... but it seems manageable

15:08:00 <pchampin> ... We need test suites for everything;

... We need test suites for everything;

15:08:28 <pchampin> ... most things have it, except for semantics - could probably adapt the one from 2004

... most things have it, except for semantics - could probably adapt the one from 2004

15:08:36 <gavinc> N-Triples, N-Quads, and TriG publish perfectly fine with phantom JS. For Turtle I guess I need to figure out what all remaining differences between the published version and the dvcs version are.

Gavin Carothers: N-Triples, N-Quads, and TriG publish perfectly fine with phantom JS. For Turtle I guess I need to figure out what all remaining differences between the published version and the dvcs version are.

15:09:14 <pchampin> ... We have to handle all the comments.

... We have to handle all the comments.

15:09:45 <Zakim> +AZ

Zakim IRC Bot: +AZ

15:09:52 <pchampin> ... We need implementations, with enough people on board.

... We need implementations, with enough people on board.

15:10:36 <pchampin> Guus: we have to have all the documents on REC track in PR before the 1st of december,

Guus Schreiber: we have to have all the documents on REC track in PR before the 1st of december,

15:11:03 <pchampin> ... as well as implementation reports for the tests.

... as well as implementation reports for the tests.

15:11:18 <Zakim> +??P8

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8

15:11:22 <AZ> Note on Dataset semantics soon ready for a first round of review

Antoine Zimmermann: Note on Dataset semantics soon ready for a first round of review

15:11:28 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P8 is me

Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P8 is me

15:11:28 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +yvesr; got it

15:12:14 <pchampin> Sandro: in order to have all the inter-document links to work, we must all use the same version of ReSpec.

Sandro Hawke: in order to have all the inter-document links to work, we must all use the same version of ReSpec.

15:13:18 <pchampin> ... The documents should be reviewed during December and published in January;

... The documents should be reviewed during December and published in January;

15:13:30 <pchampin> ... by then, the WG will have nothing to do -- if everything goes smoothly.

... by then, the WG will have nothing to do -- if everything goes smoothly.

15:14:02 <gavinc> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/file/default/trig/tests

Gavin Carothers: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/file/default/trig/tests

15:14:52 <pchampin> Sandro: Re. Trig, there are implementations, so we may be able to skip CR,

Sandro Hawke: Re. Trig, there are implementations, so we may be able to skip CR,

15:15:15 <pchampin> ... provided that we mention it in the LC.

... provided that we mention it in the LC.

15:16:38 <pchampin> Topic: admin

2. admin

15:16:43 <pchampin> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 4 Sep telecon:     https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-09-04

PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 4 Sep telecon: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-09-04

15:17:56 <pchampin> RESOLVED to accept the minutes of the 4 Sep telecon

RESOLVED to accept the minutes of the 4 Sep telecon

15:18:06 <pchampin> topic: Review of action items

3. Review of action items

15:18:20 <pchampin> Guus: Arnaud completed his action re. the RDF-JSON note

Guus Schreiber: Arnaud completed his action re. the RDF-JSON note

15:18:50 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:19:29 <pchampin> AndyS: the Trig document is ready today

Andy Seaborne: the Trig document is ready today

15:20:00 <gavinc> ACTION-284 is done

Gavin Carothers: ACTION-284 is done

15:20:17 <pchampin> Ivan: the i18n WG has taken our comments into account

Ivan Herman: the i18n WG has taken our comments into account

15:20:54 <pchampin> topic: N-Triples / N-Quads

4. N-Triples / N-Quads

15:21:02 <pchampin> Guus: these documents have been published

Guus Schreiber: these documents have been published

15:21:12 <pchampin>  http://www.w3.org/News/2013#entry-9932

http://www.w3.org/News/2013#entry-9932

15:21:59 <pchampin> Gavin: do we have a timeline for LC, in order to decide about the features at risk?

Gavin Carothers: do we have a timeline for LC, in order to decide about the features at risk?

15:22:18 <pchampin> topic: Trig

5. Trig

15:22:23 <AndyS> TriG LC -- 3 week LC  i.e. minimum

Andy Seaborne: TriG LC -- 3 week LC i.e. minimum

15:22:27 <pchampin> Guus: we need to decide early november

Guus Schreiber: we need to decide early november

15:23:22 <pchampin> topic: LC Comments on Concepts, Semantics

6. LC Comments on Concepts, Semantics

15:23:30 <pchampin> Guus: we can not look at the comments

Guus Schreiber: we can not look at the comments

15:24:17 <pchampin> ...  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Sep/0009.html is merely editorial (ReSpec issues)

... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Sep/0009.html is merely editorial (ReSpec issues)

15:24:35 <pchampin> ... ISSUE-141

... ISSUE-141

15:25:38 <pchampin> Ivan: ISSUE-141 (Fragment identifiers) came up in our comments with ITS

Ivan Herman: ISSUE-141 (Fragment identifiers) came up in our comments with ITS

15:25:56 <pchampin> ... I don't believe it was meant as a required change in our documents

... I don't believe it was meant as a required change in our documents

15:25:59 <AndyS> ISSUE-141?

Andy Seaborne: ISSUE-141?

15:25:59 <trackbot> ISSUE-141 -- Fragment Identifiers (Sebastian Hellmann) -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-141 -- Fragment Identifiers (Sebastian Hellmann) -- open

15:25:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/141

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/141

15:26:27 <pchampin> ... Somebody should ask Sebastian what he really meant.

... Somebody should ask Sebastian what he really meant.

15:28:01 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

15:28:13 <pchampin> ... Sebastian made a point during a discussion that he didn't mention in his mail:

... Sebastian made a point during a discussion that he didn't mention in his mail:

15:28:34 <pchampin> ... something in the FragID section of 2004 disappeared in the new spec

... something in the FragID section of 2004 disappeared in the new spec

15:28:50 <pchampin> ... (scribe didn't precisely caught up what was that something...)

... (scribe didn't precisely caught up what was that something...)

15:29:05 <pchampin> ... but I'm not sure he wants it to change.

... but I'm not sure he wants it to change.

15:29:25 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:29:27 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPCaller is me

15:29:27 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it

15:29:36 <AndyS> fg

Andy Seaborne: fg

15:29:43 <gavinc> I don't see anything missing from the new Fragment Identifiers section, except that the old one was normative and the new one isn't?

Gavin Carothers: I don't see anything missing from the new Fragment Identifiers section, except that the old one was normative and the new one isn't?

15:30:23 <pchampin> Guus: can you answer his question?

Guus Schreiber: can you answer his question?

15:30:29 <gavinc> It's a non-normative section in RDF 1.1

Gavin Carothers: It's a non-normative section in RDF 1.1

15:30:30 <gavinc> do we care?

Gavin Carothers: do we care?

15:30:54 <pfps> ship it.

Peter Patel-Schneider: ship it.

15:31:50 <pchampin> ACTION Ivan to respond to ISSUE-141

ACTION Ivan to respond to ISSUE-141

15:31:50 <trackbot> 'Ivan' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., ivan, imikhail).

Trackbot IRC Bot: 'Ivan' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., ivan, imikhail).

15:32:38 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

15:32:56 <pchampin> Guus:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Sep/0005.html

Guus Schreiber: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Sep/0005.html

15:33:15 <ivan> q-

Ivan Herman: q-

15:33:39 <pchampin> ... we've discussed this at length,

... we've discussed this at length,

15:33:49 <pchampin> ... I feel there is not much we can do here

... I feel there is not much we can do here

15:35:30 <pchampin> ACTION pfps to draft a response to Jeremy

ACTION pfps to draft a response to Jeremy

15:35:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-290 - Draft a response to jeremy [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2013-09-18].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-290 - Draft a response to jeremy [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2013-09-18].

15:36:07 <pchampin> Topic: test suite for semantics

7. test suite for semantics

15:36:29 <pchampin> pfps: what new stuff is required (compared to the previous test suite)?

Peter Patel-Schneider: what new stuff is required (compared to the previous test suite)?

15:37:40 <AZ> I can help

Antoine Zimmermann: I can help

15:37:46 <pchampin> ... but I can start.

... but I can start.

15:38:06 <AZ> I can look at the old test suite

Antoine Zimmermann: I can look at the old test suite

15:38:31 <pchampin> Guus: so Peter can look at the new document, and Antoine look at the old test suite.

Guus Schreiber: so Peter can look at the new document, and Antoine look at the old test suite.

15:39:02 <pchampin> ACTION pfps to start the new test suite document for semantics

ACTION pfps to start the new test suite document for semantics

15:39:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-291 - Start the new test suite document for semantics [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2013-09-18].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-291 - Start the new test suite document for semantics [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2013-09-18].

15:39:20 <pchampin> ACTION AZ to review the previous semantics test-suite

ACTION AZ to review the previous semantics test-suite

15:39:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-292 - Review the previous semantics test-suite [on Antoine Zimmermann - due 2013-09-18].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-292 - Review the previous semantics test-suite [on Antoine Zimmermann - due 2013-09-18].

15:39:59 <pchampin> Guus: I think there were no comments on semantics.

Guus Schreiber: I think there were no comments on semantics.

15:40:04 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

15:40:10 <pchampin> pfps: Jeremy's comment is on semantics.

Peter Patel-Schneider: Jeremy's comment is on semantics.

15:41:10 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments

Gavin Carothers: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments

15:42:02 <pchampin> Guus: we can do a similar page for comments on other documents

Guus Schreiber: we can do a similar page for comments on other documents

15:43:36 <pchampin> topic: Turtle

8. Turtle

15:43:52 <pchampin> Guus: Sandro pointed out that there are still issues about comments

Guus Schreiber: Sandro pointed out that there are still issues about comments

15:44:41 <gavinc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Apr/0057.html

Gavin Carothers: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Apr/0057.html

15:44:46 <pchampin> ... some comments being not properly tracked.

... some comments being not properly tracked.

15:46:06 <pchampin> Gavin: but I don't have an answer to this comment.

Gavin Carothers: but I don't have an answer to this comment.

15:48:00 <pchampin> ... Also, it seems that the published version is not one recorded in the VCS.

... Also, it seems that the published version is not one recorded in the VCS.

15:48:15 <gavinc> ACTION Gavin update turtle ED to match published Turtle CR document

Gavin Carothers: ACTION Gavin update turtle ED to match published Turtle CR document

15:48:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-293 - Update turtle ed to match published turtle cr document [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-09-18].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-293 - Update turtle ed to match published turtle cr document [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-09-18].

15:48:43 <pchampin> Guus: how are we with the implementation report?

Guus Schreiber: how are we with the implementation report?

15:48:54 <pchampin> Gavin: doing great: we have 7 implementations.

Gavin Carothers: doing great: we have 7 implementations.

15:49:48 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan

15:49:53 <Zakim> -TallTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed

15:49:54 <Zakim> -GavinC

Zakim IRC Bot: -GavinC

15:49:54 <Zakim> -AZ

Zakim IRC Bot: -AZ

15:49:55 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

15:49:56 <pchampin> Guus: end of the agenda; next week we'll decide on LC for Trig.

Guus Schreiber: end of the agenda; next week we'll decide on LC for Trig.

15:50:02 <pchampin> ... Adjourned

... Adjourned

15:50:03 <Zakim> -cgreer

Zakim IRC Bot: -cgreer

15:50:22 <Zakim> -pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: -pfps

15:51:51 <Zakim> -yvesr

Zakim IRC Bot: -yvesr

15:52:38 <Guus> pa, do you want help with the editing?

Guus Schreiber: pa, do you want help with the editing?

15:52:50 <Guus> trackbot, end meeting

Guus Schreiber: trackbot, end meeting

15:52:50 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees

15:52:50 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Guus_Schreiber, Sandro, GavinC, +1.707.874.aaaa, cgreer, AndyS, pchampin, TallTed, Ivan, +1.408.992.aabb, pfps, AZ, yvesr

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Guus_Schreiber, Sandro, GavinC, +1.707.874.aaaa, cgreer, AndyS, pchampin, TallTed, Ivan, +1.408.992.aabb, pfps, AZ, yvesr

15:52:58 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

15:52:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/11-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/11-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot

15:52:59 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye

15:52:59 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items



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