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14:57:47 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
14:57:48 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:57:48 <trackbot> Date: 11 September 2013
15:00:28 <TallTed> TallTed has changed the topic to: RDF WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ -- agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.09.11
15:00:30 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
15:00:30 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, Guus
15:00:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Guus, pchampin, AndyS, gavinc, TallTed, ivan, manu, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, sandro, ericP
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15:01:08 <gavinc> Zakim, start meeting
15:01:08 <Zakim> I don't understand 'start meeting', gavinc
15:01:24 <gavinc> [08:00] <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, Guus
15:01:31 <TallTed> Zakim, this is rdfwg
15:01:32 <Zakim> ok, TallTed; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM
15:01:33 <Zakim> + +1.707.874.aaaa
15:01:35 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?
15:01:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, Sandro, GavinC, [IPcaller], OpenLink_Software, +1.707.874.aaaa
15:01:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see cgreer, Zakim, RRSAgent, Guus, pchampin, AndyS, gavinc, TallTed, ivan, manu, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, sandro, ericP
15:01:42 <cgreer> zakim, aaaa is me
15:01:43 <AndyS> zakim, IPcaller is me
15:01:43 <Zakim> +cgreer; got it
15:01:44 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
15:01:47 <Zakim> +??P13
15:01:52 <Zakim> -AndyS
15:01:55 <pchampin> zakim, ??p13 is me
15:01:55 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
15:01:55 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it
15:01:55 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
15:01:57 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
15:01:57 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
15:02:14 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
15:02:14 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:02:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, Sandro, GavinC, TallTed (muted), cgreer, pchampin, [IPcaller]
15:02:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see cgreer, Zakim, RRSAgent, Guus, pchampin, AndyS, gavinc, TallTed, ivan, manu, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, sandro, ericP
15:02:19 <AndyS> zakim, IPcaller is me
15:02:19 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
15:02:25 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
15:02:25 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
15:02:27 <Zakim> +Ivan
15:04:01 <Zakim> + +1.408.992.aabb
15:04:44 <pchampin> scribe: pchampin
15:05:24 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
15:05:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, Sandro, GavinC, TallTed (muted), cgreer, pchampin, AndyS, Ivan, +1.408.992.aabb
15:05:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see cgreer, Zakim, RRSAgent, Guus, pchampin, AndyS, gavinc, TallTed, ivan, manu, davidwood, yvesr, trackbot, sandro, ericP
15:06:16 <pchampin> topic: Remaining work to be done
15:06:52 <pfps> pfps has joined #rdf-wg
15:06:58 <pchampin> sandro: discussed with the chairs this morning to set up a timeline of the things we need to do
15:07:02 <pfps> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:07:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, Sandro, GavinC, TallTed (muted), cgreer, pchampin, AndyS, Ivan, +1.408.992.aabb
15:07:10 <pfps> zakim, aabb is me
15:07:10 <Zakim> +pfps; got it
15:07:36 <pchampin> ... we have to provide some work if we don't find some documents to be left out
15:07:48 <pchampin> ... but it seems manageable
15:08:00 <pchampin> ... We need test suites for everything;
15:08:11 <AZ> AZ has joined #rdf-wg
15:08:28 <pchampin> ... most things have it, except for semantics - could probably adapt the one from 2004
15:08:36 <gavinc> N-Triples, N-Quads, and TriG publish perfectly fine with phantom JS. For Turtle I guess I need to figure out what all remaining differences between the published version and the dvcs version are.
15:09:14 <pchampin> ... We have to handle all the comments.
15:09:45 <Zakim> +AZ
15:09:52 <pchampin> ... We need implementations, with enough people on board.
15:10:36 <pchampin> Guus: we have to have all the documents on REC track in PR before the 1st of december,
15:11:03 <pchampin> ... as well as implementation reports for the tests.
15:11:18 <Zakim> +??P8
15:11:22 <AZ> Note on Dataset semantics soon ready for a first round of review
15:11:28 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P8 is me
15:11:28 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it
15:12:14 <pchampin> Sandro: in order to have all the inter-document links to work, we must all use the same version of ReSpec.
15:13:18 <pchampin> ... The documents should be reviewed during December and published in January;
15:13:30 <pchampin> ... by then, the WG will have nothing to do -- if everything goes smoothly.
15:14:02 <gavinc> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/file/default/trig/tests
15:14:16 <pchampin> topic: Trig
15:14:52 <pchampin> Sandro: there are implementations, so we may be able to skip CR,
15:15:15 <pchampin> ... provided that we mention it in the LC.
15:16:38 <pchampin> Topic: admin
15:16:43 <pchampin> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 4 Sep telecon:     https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-09-04
15:17:56 <pchampin> RESOLVED to accept the minutes of the 4 Sep telecon
15:18:06 <pchampin> topic: Review of action items
15:18:20 <pchampin> Guus: Arnaud completed his action re. the RDF-JSON note
15:18:50 <ivan> q+
15:19:29 <pchampin> AndyS: the Trig document is ready today
15:20:00 <gavinc> ACTION-284 is done
15:20:17 <pchampin> Ivan: the i18n WG has taken our comments into account
15:20:54 <pchampin> topic: N-Triples / N-Quads
15:21:02 <pchampin> Guus: these documents have been published
15:21:12 <pchampin>  http://www.w3.org/News/2013#entry-9932
15:21:59 <pchampin> Gavin: do we have a timeline for LC, in order to decide about the features at risk?
15:22:18 <pchampin> topic: Trig
15:22:23 <AndyS> TriG LC -- 3 week LC  i.e. minimum
15:22:27 <pchampin> Guus: we need to decide early november
15:23:22 <pchampin> topic: LC Comments on Concepts, Semantics
15:23:30 <pchampin> Guus: we can not look at the comments
15:24:17 <pchampin> ...  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Sep/0009.html is merely editorial (ReSpec issues)
15:24:35 <pchampin> ... ISSUE-141
15:25:38 <pchampin> Ivan: ISSUE-141 (Fragment identifiers) came up in our comments with ITS
15:25:56 <pchampin> ... I don't believe it was meant as a required change in our documents
15:25:59 <AndyS> ISSUE-141?
15:25:59 <trackbot> ISSUE-141 -- Fragment Identifiers (Sebastian Hellmann) -- open
15:25:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/141
15:26:27 <pchampin> ... Somebody should ask Sebastian what he really meant.
15:28:01 <Zakim> -AndyS
15:28:13 <pchampin> ... Sebastian made a point during a discussion that he didn't mention in his mail:
15:28:34 <pchampin> ... something in the FragID section of 2004 disappeared in the new spec
15:28:50 <pchampin> ... (scribe didn't precisely caught up what was that something...)
15:29:05 <pchampin> ... but I'm not sure he wants it to change.
15:29:25 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:29:27 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me
15:29:27 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
15:29:36 <AndyS> fg
15:29:43 <gavinc> I don't see anything missing from the new Fragment Identifiers section, except that the old one was normative and the new one isn't?
15:30:23 <pchampin> Guus: can you answer his question?
15:30:29 <gavinc> It's a non-normative section in RDF 1.1
15:30:30 <gavinc> do we care?
15:30:54 <pfps> ship it.
15:31:50 <pchampin> ACTION Ivan to respond to ISSUE-141
15:31:50 <trackbot> 'Ivan' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., ivan, imikhail).
15:32:38 <pfps> q+
15:32:56 <pchampin> Guus:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Sep/0005.html
15:33:15 <ivan> q-
15:33:39 <pchampin> ... we've discussed this at length,
15:33:49 <pchampin> ... I feel there is not much we can do here
15:35:30 <pchampin> ACTION pfps to draft a response to Jeremy
15:35:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-290 - Draft a response to jeremy [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2013-09-18].
15:36:07 <pchampin> Topic: test suite for semantics
15:36:29 <pchampin> pfps: what new stuff is required (compared to the previous test suite)?
15:37:40 <AZ> I can help
15:37:46 <pchampin> ... but I can start.
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15:38:06 <AZ> I can look at the old test suite
15:38:31 <pchampin> Guus: so Peter can look at the new document, and Antoine look at the old test suite.
15:39:02 <pchampin> ACTION pfps to start the new test suite document for semantics
15:39:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-291 - Start the new test suite document for semantics [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2013-09-18].
15:39:20 <pchampin> ACTION AZ to review the previous semantics test-suite
15:39:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-292 - Review the previous semantics test-suite [on Antoine Zimmermann - due 2013-09-18].
15:39:59 <pchampin> Guus: I think there were no comments on semantics.
15:40:04 <Zakim> -Sandro
15:40:10 <pchampin> pfps: Jeremy's comment is on semantics.
15:41:10 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments
15:42:02 <pchampin> Guus: we can do a similar page for comments on other documents
15:43:36 <pchampin> topic: Turtle
15:43:52 <pchampin> Guus: Sandro pointed out that there are still issues about comments
15:44:41 <gavinc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Apr/0057.html
15:44:46 <pchampin> ... some comments being not properly tracked.
15:46:06 <pchampin> Gavin: but I don't have an answer to this comment.
15:48:00 <pchampin> ... Also, it seems that the published version is not one recorded in the VCS.
15:48:15 <gavinc> ACTION Gavin update turtle ED to match published Turtle CR document
15:48:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-293 - Update turtle ed to match published turtle cr document [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-09-18].
15:48:43 <pchampin> Guus: how are we with the implementation report?
15:48:54 <pchampin> Gavin: doing great: we have 7 implementations.
15:49:48 <Zakim> -Ivan
15:49:53 <Zakim> -TallTed
15:49:54 <Zakim> -GavinC
15:49:54 <Zakim> -AZ
15:49:55 <Zakim> -AndyS
15:49:56 <pchampin> Guus: end of the agenda; next week we'll decide on LC for Trig.
15:50:02 <pchampin> ... Adjourned
15:50:03 <Zakim> -cgreer
15:50:22 <Zakim> -pfps
15:51:51 <Zakim> -yvesr
15:52:38 <Guus> pa, do you want help with the editing?
15:52:50 <Guus> trackbot, end meeting
15:52:50 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:52:50 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Guus_Schreiber, Sandro, GavinC, +1.707.874.aaaa, cgreer, AndyS, pchampin, TallTed, Ivan, +1.408.992.aabb, pfps, AZ, yvesr
15:52:58 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:52:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/11-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot
15:52:59 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:52:59 <RRSAgent> I see no action items