Minutes of last week's meeting were approved
There was no action
Most invitations sent out, a few outstanding, but email discussions in progress
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Data journalism example was accepted to discuss provenance concepts
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The F2F1 objectives were accepted
Some suggestions were made to improve the data journalism example. It was indicated that these suggestions should be followed by an email and discussion on the mailing list. It was felt that the example should remain simple, and should not be stretched to accommodate all provenance use cases. If the need arises, other examples will be developed in a similar manner.
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<luc> Guest: Paolo (paolo_) Missier
<luc> Guest: Satya Sahoo
14:45:15 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/05/12-prov-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/05/12-prov-irc ←
14:45:17 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world ←
14:45:19 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be ←
14:45:19 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot ←
14:45:20 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:45:20 <trackbot> Date: 12 May 2011
14:45:41 <luc> Zakim, this will be PROV
Luc Moreau: Zakim, this will be PROV ←
14:45:41 <Zakim> ok, luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 15 minutes ←
14:46:17 <luc> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.05.12
14:46:24 <luc> Chair: luc
14:46:38 <luc> rrsagent, make logs public
Luc Moreau: rrsagent, make logs public ←
14:47:25 <luc> Regrets: Jörn Hees, Ilkay Altintas
14:50:27 <luc> Scribe: dgarijo
(Scribe set to Daniel Garijo)
14:50:45 <dgarijo> hi all
hi all ←
14:50:53 <luc> Hi daniel, everything is set up for you.
Luc Moreau: Hi daniel, everything is set up for you. ←
14:51:02 <dgarijo> thanks!
thanks! ←
14:52:49 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started ←
14:52:57 <Zakim> +??P20
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P20 ←
14:53:19 <Zakim> +VinhNguyen
Zakim IRC Bot: +VinhNguyen ←
14:53:20 <Zakim> +??P39
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P39 ←
14:54:17 <Zakim> +??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←
14:54:22 <pgroth> Zakim, +??P20 is pgroth
Paul Groth: Zakim, +??P20 is pgroth ←
14:54:22 <Zakim> sorry, pgroth, I do not recognize a party named '+??P20'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, pgroth, I do not recognize a party named '+??P20' ←
14:54:33 <pgroth> Zakim, P20 is pgroth
Paul Groth: Zakim, P20 is pgroth ←
14:54:33 <Zakim> sorry, pgroth, I do not recognize a party named 'P20'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, pgroth, I do not recognize a party named 'P20' ←
14:54:35 <dgarijo> zakim, ??P3 is me
zakim, ??P3 is me ←
14:54:35 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dgarijo; got it ←
14:54:44 <pgroth> Zakim, ??P20 is me
Paul Groth: Zakim, ??P20 is me ←
14:54:44 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgroth; got it ←
14:54:58 <pgroth> Zakim, mute me
Paul Groth: Zakim, mute me ←
14:54:58 <Zakim> pgroth should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pgroth should now be muted ←
14:55:10 <pgroth> Zakim, umute me
Paul Groth: Zakim, umute me ←
14:55:10 <Zakim> I don't understand 'umute me', pgroth
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'umute me', pgroth ←
14:55:17 <pgroth> Zakim, unmute me
Paul Groth: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:55:17 <Zakim> pgroth should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pgroth should no longer be muted ←
14:55:39 <luc> I am struggling to get through. Anybody got problem?
Luc Moreau: I am struggling to get through. Anybody got problem? ←
14:55:47 <dgarijo> not at all
not at all ←
14:55:57 <dgarijo> i dialed through skype
i dialed through skype ←
14:56:00 <GK> I'm hearing things, not sure anyone hears me.
Graham Klyne: I'm hearing things, not sure anyone hears me. ←
14:56:15 <GK> zakim, help
Graham Klyne: zakim, help ←
14:56:15 <Zakim> Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot for more detailed help.
Zakim IRC Bot: Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot for more detailed help. ←
14:56:18 <Zakim> Some of the commands I know are:
Zakim IRC Bot: Some of the commands I know are: ←
14:56:19 <Zakim> xxx is yyy - establish yyy as the name of unknown party xxx
Zakim IRC Bot: xxx is yyy - establish yyy as the name of unknown party xxx ←
14:56:21 <dgarijo> zakim, who is making noise
zakim, who is making noise ←
14:56:22 <Zakim> if yyy is 'me' or 'I', your nick is substituted
Zakim IRC Bot: if yyy is 'me' or 'I', your nick is substituted ←
14:56:24 <Zakim> xxx may be yyy - establish yyy as possibly the name of unknown party xxx
Zakim IRC Bot: xxx may be yyy - establish yyy as possibly the name of unknown party xxx ←
14:56:27 <Zakim> I am xxx - establish your nick as the name of unknown party xxx
Zakim IRC Bot: I am xxx - establish your nick as the name of unknown party xxx ←
14:56:30 <Zakim> xxx holds yyy [, zzz ...] - establish xxx as a group name and yyy, etc. as participants within that group
Zakim IRC Bot: xxx holds yyy [, zzz ...] - establish xxx as a group name and yyy, etc. as participants within that group ←
14:56:30 <luc> got in
Luc Moreau: got in ←
14:56:32 <Zakim> xxx also holds yyy - add yyy to the list of participants in group xxx
Zakim IRC Bot: xxx also holds yyy - add yyy to the list of participants in group xxx ←
14:56:34 <Zakim> who's here? - lists the participants on the phone
Zakim IRC Bot: who's here? - lists the participants on the phone ←
14:56:36 <Zakim> who's muted? - lists the participants who are muted
Zakim IRC Bot: who's muted? - lists the participants who are muted ←
14:56:39 <Zakim> mute xxx - mutes party xxx (like pressing 61#)
Zakim IRC Bot: mute xxx - mutes party xxx (like pressing 61#) ←
14:56:42 <Zakim> unmute xxx - reverses the effect of "mute" and of 61#
Zakim IRC Bot: unmute xxx - reverses the effect of "mute" and of 61# ←
14:56:44 <Zakim> is xxx here? - reports whether a party named like xxx is present
Zakim IRC Bot: is xxx here? - reports whether a party named like xxx is present ←
14:56:47 <Zakim> list conferences - reports the active conferences
Zakim IRC Bot: list conferences - reports the active conferences ←
14:56:49 <Zakim> this is xxx - associates this channel with conference xxx
Zakim IRC Bot: this is xxx - associates this channel with conference xxx ←
14:56:51 <Zakim> excuse us - disconnects from the irc channel
Zakim IRC Bot: excuse us - disconnects from the irc channel ←
14:56:53 <Zakim> I last learned something new on $Date: 2016/03/10 19:29:09 $
Zakim IRC Bot: I last learned something new on $Date: 2016/03/10 19:29:09 $ ←
14:56:53 <luc> who's here
Luc Moreau: who's here ←
14:56:54 <Zakim> +luc
Zakim IRC Bot: +luc ←
14:56:54 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is making noise', dgarijo
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is making noise', dgarijo ←
14:56:56 <Zakim> +??P18
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18 ←
14:57:54 <luc> zakim, who is here?
Luc Moreau: zakim, who is here? ←
14:57:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, VinhNguyen, ??P39, dgarijo, luc, ??P18
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, VinhNguyen, ??P39, dgarijo, luc, ??P18 ←
14:57:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see lebo-rpi, GK, simoninireland, administrator, VinhNguyen, dgarijo, pgroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, luc, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see lebo-rpi, GK, simoninireland, administrator, VinhNguyen, dgarijo, pgroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, luc, sandro, trackbot ←
14:59:08 <GK> zakim, i am ??p39
Graham Klyne: zakim, i am ??p39 ←
14:59:08 <Zakim> +GK; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +GK; got it ←
14:59:32 <Zakim> +??P21
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P21 ←
14:59:35 <GK> zakim, who is making noise
Graham Klyne: zakim, who is making noise ←
14:59:35 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is making noise', GK
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is making noise', GK ←
14:59:43 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aaaa ←
14:59:43 <dgarijo> wooow!
wooow! ←
14:59:57 <Zakim> +??P41
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P41 ←
15:00:19 <Zakim> +Jeff_Pan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Jeff_Pan ←
15:00:21 <sandro> zakim, call Thomas-781
Sandro Hawke: zakim, call Thomas-781 ←
15:00:21 <Zakim> ok, sandro; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, sandro; the call is being made ←
15:00:22 <Zakim> +Thomas
Zakim IRC Bot: +Thomas ←
15:00:23 <Zakim> +olaf
Zakim IRC Bot: +olaf ←
15:00:33 <Zakim> + +44.191.245.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.191.245.aabb ←
15:00:51 <Zakim> +??P43
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P43 ←
15:00:54 <sandro> zakim, Thomas-781 is temporarily Sandro
Sandro Hawke: zakim, Thomas-781 is temporarily Sandro ←
15:00:54 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I do not recognize a party named 'Thomas-781'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, sandro, I do not recognize a party named 'Thomas-781' ←
15:01:01 <sandro> zakim, Thomas is temporarily Sandro
Sandro Hawke: zakim, Thomas is temporarily Sandro ←
15:01:01 <Zakim> +Sandro; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro; got it ←
15:01:04 <kai> zakim, ??P43 is me
Kai Eckert: zakim, ??P43 is me ←
15:01:04 <Zakim> +kai; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +kai; got it ←
15:01:05 <GK> zakim, who is talking
Graham Klyne: zakim, who is talking ←
15:01:05 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', GK
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is talking', GK ←
15:01:11 <Zakim> + +1.646.389.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.646.389.aacc ←
15:01:21 <GK> zakim, who is talking?
Graham Klyne: zakim, who is talking? ←
15:01:28 <Zakim> +??P46
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P46 ←
15:01:31 <Zakim> GK, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pgroth (21%), GK (10%)
Zakim IRC Bot: GK, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pgroth (21%), GK (10%) ←
15:01:36 <Zakim> +??P45
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P45 ←
15:01:53 <jun> zakim, ?P45 is jun
Jun Zhao: zakim, ?P45 is jun ←
15:01:53 <Zakim> sorry, jun, I do not recognize a party named '?P45'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, jun, I do not recognize a party named '?P45' ←
15:01:56 <Zakim> + +329331aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +329331aadd ←
15:02:05 <jun> zakim, ??P45 is jun
Jun Zhao: zakim, ??P45 is jun ←
15:02:07 <Zakim> +jun; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jun; got it ←
15:02:10 <Zakim> +SatyaSahoo
Zakim IRC Bot: +SatyaSahoo ←
15:02:13 <GK> zakim, i am ?p20
Graham Klyne: zakim, i am ?p20 ←
15:02:13 <Zakim> sorry, GK, I do not see a party named '?p20'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, GK, I do not see a party named '?p20' ←
15:02:16 <paolo_> zakim, who is on the phone?
Paolo Missier: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:02:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, VinhNguyen, GK, dgarijo, luc, ??P18, ??P21, +1.518.276.aaaa, ??P41, Jeff_Pan, olaf, Sandro, +44.191.245.aabb, kai, +1.646.389.aacc, ??P46, jun,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, VinhNguyen, GK, dgarijo, luc, ??P18, ??P21, +1.518.276.aaaa, ??P41, Jeff_Pan, olaf, Sandro, +44.191.245.aabb, kai, +1.646.389.aacc, ??P46, jun, ←
15:02:19 <Zakim> ... +329331aadd, SatyaSahoo
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +329331aadd, SatyaSahoo ←
15:02:22 <Zakim> + +30281039aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +30281039aaee ←
15:02:33 <pgroth> Zakim, GK is me
Paul Groth: Zakim, GK is me ←
15:02:35 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgroth; got it ←
15:02:41 <Zakim> - +44.191.245.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: - +44.191.245.aabb ←
15:02:43 <pgroth> zakim, who is on the phone?
Paul Groth: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:02:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, VinhNguyen, pgroth.a, dgarijo, luc, ??P18, ??P21, +1.518.276.aaaa, ??P41, Jeff_Pan, olaf, Sandro, kai, +1.646.389.aacc, ??P46, jun, +329331aadd,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, VinhNguyen, pgroth.a, dgarijo, luc, ??P18, ??P21, +1.518.276.aaaa, ??P41, Jeff_Pan, olaf, Sandro, kai, +1.646.389.aacc, ??P46, jun, +329331aadd, ←
15:02:50 <Zakim> ... SatyaSahoo, +30281039aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: ... SatyaSahoo, +30281039aaee ←
15:02:54 <pgroth> Zakim, GK is pgroth
Paul Groth: Zakim, GK is pgroth ←
15:03:05 <Zakim> sorry, pgroth, I do not recognize a party named 'GK'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, pgroth, I do not recognize a party named 'GK' ←
15:03:10 <Zakim> +??P22
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P22 ←
15:03:23 <pgroth> Zakim, pgroth is GK
Paul Groth: Zakim, pgroth is GK ←
15:03:24 <Zakim> + +44.191.245.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.191.245.aaff ←
15:03:24 <Zakim> +GK; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +GK; got it ←
15:03:26 <SamCoppens> zakim, +329331aadd is SamCoppens
Sam Coppens: zakim, +329331aadd is SamCoppens ←
15:03:26 <Zakim> +SamCoppens; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SamCoppens; got it ←
15:03:29 <khalidbelhajjame> zakim, ??P22 is really me
Khalid Belhajjame: zakim, ??P22 is really me ←
15:03:31 <Zakim> +khalidbelhajjame; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +khalidbelhajjame; got it ←
15:03:33 <Zakim> +??P27
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27 ←
15:03:52 <DavidSchaengold> zakim, +1.646.389.aacc is DavidSchaengold
david schaengold: zakim, +1.646.389.aacc is DavidSchaengold ←
15:03:52 <Zakim> +DavidSchaengold; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +DavidSchaengold; got it ←
15:03:53 <Zakim> +paulo
Zakim IRC Bot: +paulo ←
15:03:56 <paolo_> zakim, +44.191.245.aaff is me
Paolo Missier: zakim, +44.191.245.aaff is me ←
15:03:56 <Zakim> +paolo_; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +paolo_; got it ←
15:04:16 <Zakim> +??P1
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P1 ←
15:04:29 <smiles> zakim, ??P1 is me
Simon Miles: zakim, ??P1 is me ←
15:04:30 <dgarijo> Luc: Agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.05.12
Luc Moreau: Agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.05.12 ←
<luc> Topic: Admin
<luc> Subtopic: Minutes Approval
Summary: Minutes of last week's meeting were approved
15:04:35 <Zakim> +smiles; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +smiles; got it ←
15:05:13 <luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2011-05-05
Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2011-05-05 ←
15:05:30 <Satya> +1
Satya Sahoo: +1 ←
15:05:31 <pgroth> +1
Paul Groth: +1 ←
15:05:34 <jun> +1
15:05:34 <paolo_> +1
Paolo Missier: +1 ←
15:05:36 <iker> +1
Iker Huerga: +1 ←
15:05:37 <dgarijo> Luc: support to the minutes of the last call
Luc Moreau: support to the minutes of the last call ←
15:05:38 <lebo-rpi> +1
Scribe problem: the name 'lebo-rpi' does not match any of the 40 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Ted Thibodeau Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Paolo Missier Satya Sahoo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'lebo-rpi' does not match any of the 40 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Ted Thibodeau Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Paolo Missier Satya Sahoo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown lebo-rpi: +1 ←
15:05:38 <dcorsar> +1
David Corsar: +1 ←
15:05:39 <dgarijo> +1
+1 ←
15:05:41 <kai> +1
Kai Eckert: +1 ←
15:05:42 <SamCoppens> +1
Sam Coppens: +1 ←
15:05:44 <olaf> +1
Olaf Hartig: +1 ←
15:05:44 <khalidbelhajjame> +1
Khalid Belhajjame: +1 ←
15:05:46 <smiles> +1
Simon Miles: +1 ←
15:05:48 <frew> +1
James Frew: +1 ←
15:05:48 <DavidSchaengold> +1
david schaengold: +1 ←
15:05:51 <GK> +1
Graham Klyne: +1 ←
15:05:56 <simoninireland> I sent my apologies -- don't know if you want to record that. Otherwise +1
Simon Dobson: I sent my apologies -- don't know if you want to record that. Otherwise +1 ←
15:06:00 <CarlOGC> +1
15:06:35 <dgarijo> the agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.05.12
the agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.05.12 ←
15:06:51 <pgroth> minutes were accepted
Paul Groth: minutes were accepted ←
<luc> Summary: Minutes of last week's meeting were approved
<luc> Subtopic: Action items
Summary: There was no action
15:06:52 <dgarijo> Luc: no actions on the last call
Luc Moreau: no actions on the last call ←
<luc> Summary: There was no action
<luc> Subtopic: Invited Experts
Summary: Most invitations sent out, a few outstanding, but email discussions in progress
15:07:01 <dgarijo> ... updates on membership
... updates on membership ←
<luc> Summary: Most invitations sent out, a few outstanding, but email discussions in progress
15:08:14 <dgarijo> Satya: problems with logging on the wiki page to post updates to the provenance example
Satya Sahoo: problems with logging on the wiki page to post updates to the provenance example ←
<luc> Subtopic: Scribing
Summary: Please volunteer to scribe
15:08:43 <dgarijo> Luc: volunteers for scribbing are required
Luc Moreau: volunteers for scribbing are required ←
15:08:47 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Scribes
Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Scribes ←
15:09:17 <dgarijo> ... everyone should update their nicknames
... everyone should update their nicknames ←
15:09:17 <VinhNguyen> +1
Vinh Nguyen: +1 ←
15:09:29 <dgarijo> ... to facilitate the work on the wiki /telecons
... to facilitate the work on the wiki /telecons ←
<luc> Summary: Please volunteer to scribe
<luc> Topic: Discussion Example
Summary: Data journalism example was accepted to discuss provenance concepts
15:09:32 <luc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011May/0012.html
Luc Moreau: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011May/0012.html ←
15:10:02 <dgarijo> ... Provenance concepts and Paul example
... Provenance concepts and Paul example ←
15:10:17 <Zakim> +Lena
Zakim IRC Bot: +Lena ←
15:10:18 <dgarijo> ... discussion started by email during the week
... discussion started by email during the week ←
15:10:35 <dgarijo> ... small subset of the group participating
... small subset of the group participating ←
15:10:38 <paolo_> Luc, I am not yet a member and I am not on the list...
Paolo Missier: Luc, I am not yet a member and I am not on the list... ←
15:10:51 <dgarijo> ...any feedback on the example from others?
...any feedback on the example from others? ←
15:11:00 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceExample
Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceExample ←
15:11:10 <Satya> q+
Satya Sahoo: q+ ←
15:11:17 <luc> ack Satya
Luc Moreau: ack Satya ←
15:11:24 <dgarijo> ... before to moving to more complicate discussions, we should agree on whether is a good example or not
... before to moving to more complicate discussions, we should agree on whether is a good example or not ←
15:11:46 <paulo> q+
15:11:53 <luc> ack paulo
Luc Moreau: ack paulo ←
15:12:28 <luc> zakim, who is making noise?
Luc Moreau: zakim, who is making noise? ←
15:12:39 <Zakim> luc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: paulo (63%), luc (19%), GK (29%), VinhNguyen (4%)
Zakim IRC Bot: luc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: paulo (63%), luc (19%), GK (29%), VinhNguyen (4%) ←
15:13:05 <dgarijo> Paulo: could we remove the previous example to avoid confusion?
Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: could we remove the previous example to avoid confusion? ←
15:13:18 <GK> I think the example is fine as a starting point for discussion, I expect it won't represent the totality of requirements. AM worried about getting bogged down in tech details before user requirements have been elicited.
Graham Klyne: I think the example is fine as a starting point for discussion, I expect it won't represent the totality of requirements. AM worried about getting bogged down in tech details before user requirements have been elicited. ←
15:14:09 <dgarijo> Luc: happy to remove it. However the previous example is mentioned in the minutes that we have just approved
Luc Moreau: happy to remove it. However the previous example is mentioned in the minutes that we have just approved ←
15:14:17 <GK> Cool URIs... better to add a health warning?
Graham Klyne: Cool URIs... better to add a health warning? ←
15:15:00 <Zakim> +[ISI]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[ISI] ←
15:15:06 <dgarijo> Paulo: Had comments about the previous example, but now is happier with the new one.
Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: Had comments about the previous example, but now is happier with the new one. ←
15:15:20 <dgarijo> Paulo: should I post the old comments?
Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: should I post the old comments? ←
15:16:05 <dgarijo> Luc: The current example is being edited with the discussions, it is a live document.
Luc Moreau: The current example is being edited with the discussions, it is a live document. ←
15:16:23 <luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
15:16:28 <luc> ack luc
Luc Moreau: ack luc ←
15:16:30 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:16:34 <GK> q+, to suggest not removing previous example but adding an note to old example
Graham Klyne: q+, to suggest not removing previous example but adding an note to old example ←
15:16:47 <GK> q+ to suggest not removing previous example but adding an note to old example
Graham Klyne: q+ to suggest not removing previous example but adding an note to old example ←
<luc>POST Meeting editing:
Luc Moreau: POST Meeting editing: ←
<luc>Warning was added at the beginning of http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceExampleAndConcept1#Provenance_Concepts_and_Example
Luc Moreau: Warning was added at the beginning of http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceExampleAndConcept1#Provenance_Concepts_and_Example ←
15:17:15 <dgarijo> Luc: We agreed in the last telecon that we would use an example that would be technology agnostic
Luc Moreau: We agreed in the last telecon that we would use an example that would be technology agnostic ←
15:17:20 <dgarijo> Paulo: agrees
Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: agrees ←
15:17:30 <smiles> +1 it seems to me an appropriate example which matches vision outlined in the wg charter
Simon Miles: +1 it seems to me an appropriate example which matches vision outlined in the wg charter ←
15:17:34 <Satya> +1
Satya Sahoo: +1 ←
15:17:35 <SamCoppens> +1
Sam Coppens: +1 ←
15:17:36 <frew> +1
James Frew: +1 ←
15:17:38 <DavidSchaengold> +1
david schaengold: +1 ←
15:17:38 <olaf> +1
Olaf Hartig: +1 ←
15:17:39 <simoninireland> +1
Simon Dobson: +1 ←
15:17:39 <luc> PROPOSED: use data journalism example for discussion
PROPOSED: use data journalism example for discussion ←
15:17:42 <khalidbelhajjame> +1
Khalid Belhajjame: +1 ←
15:17:43 <lebo-rpi> +1
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Unknown lebo-rpi: +1 ←
15:17:43 <frew> q+
James Frew: q+ ←
15:17:44 <dcorsar> +1
David Corsar: +1 ←
15:17:44 <dgarijo> Luc: proposes the journalist example as main starting point for discussions
Luc Moreau: proposes the journalist example as main starting point for discussions ←
15:17:44 <jun> +1
15:17:46 <dgarijo> +1
+1 ←
15:17:47 <kai> +1
Kai Eckert: +1 ←
15:17:49 <zednik> +1
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Unknown zednik: +1 ←
15:17:53 <GK> +1 accept data journo example for discussion
Graham Klyne: +1 accept data journo example for discussion ←
15:17:59 <paulo> +1 (for .../ProvenanceExample)
Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: +1 (for .../ProvenanceExample) ←
15:18:01 <paolo_> +1
Paolo Missier: +1 ←
15:18:02 <pgroth> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Paul Groth: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:18:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see GK, VinhNguyen, pgroth.a, dgarijo, luc, ??P18, ??P21, +1.518.276.aaaa, ??P41, Jeff_Pan, olaf, Sandro, kai, DavidSchaengold, ??P46, jun, SamCoppens, SatyaSahoo,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see GK, VinhNguyen, pgroth.a, dgarijo, luc, ??P18, ??P21, +1.518.276.aaaa, ??P41, Jeff_Pan, olaf, Sandro, kai, DavidSchaengold, ??P46, jun, SamCoppens, SatyaSahoo, ←
15:18:06 <Zakim> ... +30281039aaee, khalidbelhajjame, paolo_, ??P27, paulo, smiles, Lena, [ISI]
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +30281039aaee, khalidbelhajjame, paolo_, ??P27, paulo, smiles, Lena, [ISI] ←
15:18:24 <luc> ACCEPTED: use data journalism example for discussion
RESOLVED: use data journalism example for discussion ←
<luc> Summary: Data journalism example was accepted to discuss provenance concepts
<luc> TOPIC: F2F 1
<luc> Subtopic: Logistics
Summary: Book your hotel (note proximity to July 4th) and indicate your attendance
15:19:14 <dgarijo> Luc: F2F meeting (we will be back to the example later, to discuss changes)
Luc Moreau: F2F meeting (we will be back to the example later, to discuss changes) ←
15:19:22 <luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/F2F1
Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/F2F1 ←
15:19:46 <dgarijo> ... from logistic point of view, the wikipage describes the event. Suggestions?
... from logistic point of view, the wikipage describes the event. Suggestions? ←
15:20:16 <dgarijo> ... please update the page saying if you'll be able to attend
... please update the page saying if you'll be able to attend ←
<luc> Summary: Book your hotel (note proximity to July 4th) and indicate your attendance
<luc> Subtopic: F2F1 objectives
Summary: The F2F1 objectives were accepted
15:20:11 <luc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011May/0017.html
Luc Moreau: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011May/0017.html ←
15:20:33 <dgarijo> ... what are we planning to achieve in the meeting?
... what are we planning to achieve in the meeting? ←
15:21:26 <dgarijo> ... sent an email with a number of issues. Can we achieve them?
... sent an email with a number of issues. Can we achieve them? ←
15:21:27 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:21:32 <dgarijo> ... are they realistic?
... are they realistic? ←
15:21:56 <luc> ack pgroth.a
Luc Moreau: ack pgroth.a ←
15:21:56 <Zakim> pgroth.a, you wanted to suggest not removing previous example but adding and note to old example
Zakim IRC Bot: pgroth.a, you wanted to suggest not removing previous example but adding and note to old example ←
15:22:10 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:22:18 <luc> ack frew
Luc Moreau: ack frew ←
15:22:42 <dgarijo> frew: any of the documents discussed should be linked to the main wiki page
James Frew: any of the documents discussed should be linked to the main wiki page ←
15:22:52 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
15:22:54 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:22:54 <dgarijo> Luc: I agree
Luc Moreau: I agree ←
15:22:57 <martin> i have a question
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Unknown martin: i have a question ←
15:23:26 <dgarijo> martin: should we include in the example some empirical data capture?
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Unknown martin: should we include in the example some empirical data capture? ←
15:23:45 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:23:51 <pgroth> we will come back to the example in a bit
Paul Groth: we will come back to the example in a bit ←
15:24:01 <dgarijo> martin: would be good to include some data that come to an observation
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Unknown martin: would be good to include some data that come to an observation ←
15:24:21 <dgarijo> martin: also the material circumpstances of the photo capture
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Unknown martin: also the material circumpstances of the photo capture ←
15:24:34 <smiles> q+
Simon Miles: q+ ←
15:24:39 <dgarijo> Luc: we'll be back to the example in a bit, first the f2f objectives
Luc Moreau: we'll be back to the example in a bit, first the f2f objectives ←
15:24:48 <dgarijo> martin: ok
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Unknown martin: ok ←
15:25:01 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:25:19 <pgroth> ack
Paul Groth: ack ←
15:25:24 <pgroth> ack pgroth
Paul Groth: ack pgroth ←
15:25:33 <luc> ACTION to pgroth: add links to example
Luc Moreau: ACTION to pgroth: add links to example ←
15:25:33 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - to
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - to ←
15:25:52 <dgarijo> smiles: don't really understand the objectives on task force 4?
Simon Miles: don't really understand the objectives on task force 4? ←
15:25:58 <pgroth> ACTION pgroth: add links to example
Paul Groth: ACTION pgroth: add links to example ←
15:25:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3 - Add links to example [on Paul Groth - due 2011-05-19].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-3 - Add links to example [on Paul Groth - due 2011-05-19]. ←
15:26:10 <GK> q+ TO SAY I DON'T SEE GOALS ON THE F2F PAGE
Graham Klyne: q+ TO SAY I DON'T SEE GOALS ON THE F2F PAGE ←
15:26:22 <pgroth> Zakim, pgroth.a is GK
Paul Groth: Zakim, pgroth.a is GK ←
15:26:22 <Zakim> +GK; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +GK; got it ←
15:26:29 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:26:39 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:26:44 <luc> ack smiles
Luc Moreau: ack smiles ←
15:26:52 <dgarijo> Luc: implement examples for the specification. Identify people, apps and the use of provenance
Luc Moreau: implement examples for the specification. Identify people, apps and the use of provenance ←
15:26:56 <luc> ack pgroth.a
Luc Moreau: ack pgroth.a ←
15:26:56 <Zakim> pgroth.a, you wanted to SAY I DON'T SEE GOALS ON THE F2F PAGE
Zakim IRC Bot: pgroth.a, you wanted to SAY I DON'T SEE GOALS ON THE F2F PAGE ←
15:26:57 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:27:10 <luc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011May/0017.html
Luc Moreau: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011May/0017.html ←
15:27:12 <dgarijo> GK: can't see the goals in the f2f page
Graham Klyne: can't see the goals in the f2f page ←
15:27:28 <olaf> q+
Olaf Hartig: q+ ←
15:27:40 <olaf> how would the 1st objective for the Provenance Access and Query Task Force differ from Sec.6 in the prov-xg final report?
Olaf Hartig: how would the 1st objective for the Provenance Access and Query Task Force differ from Sec.6 in the prov-xg final report? ←
15:27:50 <luc> That's what the TF has to decide (before the F2F)
Luc Moreau: That's what the TF has to decide (before the F2F) ←
15:28:17 <olaf> q-
Olaf Hartig: q- ←
15:28:18 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:28:26 <paolo_> q+
Paolo Missier: q+ ←
15:28:36 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:29:11 <dgarijo> GK: 3 first objectives look good, but aren't these early days for implementation?
Graham Klyne: 3 first objectives look good, but aren't these early days for implementation? ←
15:29:35 <paulo> q+
15:29:46 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:30:21 <luc> ack paolo_
Luc Moreau: ack paolo_ ←
15:30:43 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:30:44 <paolo_> ack
Paolo Missier: ack ←
15:31:09 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:31:10 <GK> q+ to say I expect there will be additional scenarios in due course
Graham Klyne: q+ to say I expect there will be additional scenarios in due course ←
15:31:29 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:31:48 <dgarijo> paolo: new requiriments won't be handled by this example
Paolo Missier: new requiriments won't be handled by this example ←
15:31:56 <Zakim> + +1.518.633.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.633.aagg ←
15:32:03 <dgarijo> paolo: are we developing new examples?
Paolo Missier: are we developing new examples? ←
15:32:05 <luc> ack GK
Luc Moreau: ack GK ←
15:32:05 <Zakim> GK, you wanted to say I expect there will be additional scenarios in due course
Zakim IRC Bot: GK, you wanted to say I expect there will be additional scenarios in due course ←
15:32:21 <Satya> I also agree with Paolo
Satya Sahoo: I also agree with Paolo ←
15:32:29 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:32:38 <dgarijo> GK: the new example is a starting point
Graham Klyne: the new example is a starting point ←
15:32:54 <pgroth> we don't want to implement anything
Paul Groth: we don't want to implement anything ←
15:32:57 <pgroth> amen to that!
Paul Groth: amen to that! ←
15:33:24 <dgarijo> paulo: are going to provide guidelines in terms of implementation
Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: are going to provide guidelines in terms of implementation ←
15:33:31 <GK> q+ to say yes to >1 implementation; getting beyond 1st rec stage will require 2 of each feature
Graham Klyne: q+ to say yes to >1 implementation; getting beyond 1st rec stage will require 2 of each feature ←
15:33:42 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
15:33:44 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:33:59 <luc> ack GK
Luc Moreau: ack GK ←
15:33:59 <Zakim> GK, you wanted to say yes to >1 implementation; getting beyond 1st rec stage will require 2 of each feature
Zakim IRC Bot: GK, you wanted to say yes to >1 implementation; getting beyond 1st rec stage will require 2 of each feature ←
15:34:07 <luc> ack paulo
Luc Moreau: ack paulo ←
15:34:11 <dgarijo> GK: we need more than 1 implementation
Graham Klyne: we need more than 1 implementation ←
15:34:11 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:34:20 <sandro> +1 GK
Sandro Hawke: +1 GK ←
15:34:33 <paolo_> @GK: what is "interoperate" in this context?
Paolo Missier: @GK: what is "interoperate" in this context? ←
15:34:46 <dgarijo> GK: the standard has to prove that is better that independent implementations
Graham Klyne: the standard has to prove that is better that independent implementations ←
15:34:49 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:35:19 <dgarijo> sandro: agrees with GK. Really try to make sure is something that people can use
Sandro Hawke: agrees with GK. Really try to make sure is something that people can use ←
15:35:21 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:35:27 <luc> ack pgroth
Luc Moreau: ack pgroth ←
15:36:20 <dgarijo> GK: test cases can be very useful here
Graham Klyne: test cases can be very useful here ←
15:36:21 <luc> PROPOSED: to accept the objectives for F2F1 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011May/0017.html
PROPOSED: to accept the objectives for F2F1 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011May/0017.html ←
15:36:34 <GK> +1
Graham Klyne: +1 ←
15:36:37 <dgarijo> +1
+1 ←
15:36:38 <smiles> +1
Simon Miles: +1 ←
15:36:39 <paulo> q+
15:36:39 <dcorsar> +1
David Corsar: +1 ←
15:36:40 <olaf> +1
Olaf Hartig: +1 ←
15:36:40 <jun> +1
15:36:40 <SamCoppens> +1
Sam Coppens: +1 ←
15:36:42 <khalidbelhajjame> +1
Khalid Belhajjame: +1 ←
15:36:43 <simoninireland> +1
Simon Dobson: +1 ←
15:36:48 <DavidSchaengold> +1
david schaengold: +1 ←
15:36:49 <paolo_> +1
Paolo Missier: +1 ←
15:36:52 <martin> +1
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Scribe problem: the name 'martin' does not match any of the 40 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Olaf Hartig Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Simon Miles Simon Dobson Ted Thibodeau Vinh Nguyen david schaengold Paolo Missier Satya Sahoo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown martin: +1 ←
15:37:01 <luc> zakim, who is here?
Luc Moreau: zakim, who is here? ←
15:37:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see GK, VinhNguyen, GK, dgarijo, luc, ??P18, ??P21, +1.518.276.aaaa, ??P41, Jeff_Pan, olaf, Sandro, kai, DavidSchaengold, ??P46, jun, SamCoppens, SatyaSahoo,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see GK, VinhNguyen, GK, dgarijo, luc, ??P18, ??P21, +1.518.276.aaaa, ??P41, Jeff_Pan, olaf, Sandro, kai, DavidSchaengold, ??P46, jun, SamCoppens, SatyaSahoo, ←
15:37:04 <Zakim> ... +30281039aaee, khalidbelhajjame, paolo_, ??P27, paulo, smiles, Lena, [ISI], +1.518.633.aagg
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15:37:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see JimMyers, YolandaGil, Lena, zednik, iker, CarlOGC, paulo, SamCoppens, smiles, khalidbelhajjame, paolo_, frew, Satya, kai, Christine, DavidSchaengold, dcorsar, olaf,
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15:37:08 <Zakim> ... jun, lebo-rpi, GK, simoninireland, martin, VinhNguyen, dgarijo, pgroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, luc, sandro, trackbot
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15:37:20 <kai> +1
Kai Eckert: +1 ←
15:37:21 <zednik> +1
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Unknown zednik: +1 ←
15:37:22 <VinhNguyen> +1
Vinh Nguyen: +1 ←
15:37:27 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:37:27 <frew> +1
James Frew: +1 ←
15:37:44 <iker> +1
Iker Huerga: +1 ←
15:37:53 <dgarijo> paulo: i would like to see how much time are we going to dedicate for the tasks
Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: i would like to see how much time are we going to dedicate for the tasks ←
15:38:11 <paolo_> I was assuming the task forces would report to the F2F for a plenary discussion?!
Paolo Missier: I was assuming the task forces would report to the F2F for a plenary discussion?! ←
15:38:18 <dgarijo> ... in the f2f meeting
... in the f2f meeting ←
15:38:32 <dgarijo> Luc: it will be driven by the objectives
Luc Moreau: it will be driven by the objectives ←
15:39:30 <dgarijo> Luc: I will set up an agenda to divide the time for each of the tf
Luc Moreau: I will set up an agenda to divide the time for each of the tf ←
15:39:33 <Satya> +1 (except not sure about the Implementation and Test Cases Task Force objectives)
Satya Sahoo: +1 (except not sure about the Implementation and Test Cases Task Force objectives) ←
15:40:10 <dgarijo> Luc: not intended to do the whole work in the f2f
Luc Moreau: not intended to do the whole work in the f2f ←
15:40:21 <dgarijo> Luc: it will be the agreement in terminology
Luc Moreau: it will be the agreement in terminology ←
15:40:33 <GK> +1 to say I think that having common terminology is vital goal
Graham Klyne: +1 to say I think that having common terminology is vital goal ←
15:40:36 <dgarijo> Luc: we have to do a lot of discussion in between
Luc Moreau: we have to do a lot of discussion in between ←
15:40:47 <dgarijo> paulo: supports the objectives
Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: supports the objectives ←
15:40:51 <paolo_> +1 to Luc: most of the work to be done before we get to the meeting
Paolo Missier: +1 to Luc: most of the work to be done before we get to the meeting ←
15:41:01 <paolo_> s/must/most
Paolo Missier: s/must/most (warning: replacement failed) ←
15:41:06 <luc> ACCEPTED: objectives for F2F1
RESOLVED: objectives for F2F1 ←
<luc> Summary: The F2F1 objectives were accepted
<luc> Topic: Concepts Illustration
<luc>Subtopic: Example discussion
Summary: Some suggestions were made to improve the data journalism example. It was indicated that these suggestions should be followed by an email and discussion on the mailing list. It was felt that the example should remain simple, and should not be stretched to accommodate all provenance use cases. If the need arises, other examples will be developed in a similar manner.
15:41:49 <dgarijo> Luc: some of you have suggestions to improve the example
Luc Moreau: some of you have suggestions to improve the example ←
15:42:05 <dgarijo> Luc: useful to hear a short outline of them in the call
Luc Moreau: useful to hear a short outline of them in the call ←
15:42:06 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:42:13 <paulo> q+
15:42:32 <martin> q+
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Unknown martin: q+ ←
15:42:37 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:43:14 <dgarijo> paulo: can not discuss properly because of the time of the mail discussions
Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: can not discuss properly because of the time of the mail discussions ←
15:43:26 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:44:04 <dgarijo> Luc: discussion starts from the ending of the telecon
Luc Moreau: discussion starts from the ending of the telecon ←
15:44:19 <dgarijo> Luc: we should not wait till last minute to raise discussions
Luc Moreau: we should not wait till last minute to raise discussions ←
15:44:47 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
15:44:51 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:44:56 <smiles> Maybe it has been difficult this past week because of the invited experts only just being included
Simon Miles: Maybe it has been difficult this past week because of the invited experts only just being included ←
15:45:08 <luc> ack paulo
Luc Moreau: ack paulo ←
15:45:56 <luc> ack sandro
Luc Moreau: ack sandro ←
15:45:58 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:45:59 <GK> If substantive discussions and key consensus forming takes place in email, rather than in telecon, then timezone matters less.
Graham Klyne: If substantive discussions and key consensus forming takes place in email, rather than in telecon, then timezone matters less. ←
15:46:33 <dgarijo> Luc: the point on mail discussions is to achieve consensus
Luc Moreau: the point on mail discussions is to achieve consensus ←
15:46:34 <luc> ack martin
Luc Moreau: ack martin ←
15:46:54 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:47:09 <dgarijo> martin: proposes to use provenance info from measurements observations
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Unknown martin: proposes to use provenance info from measurements observations ←
15:47:33 <lebo-rpi> q+
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Unknown lebo-rpi: q+ ←
15:47:34 <dgarijo> martin: vital for scientists to understand the circumstances of the measure
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Unknown martin: vital for scientists to understand the circumstances of the measure ←
15:47:54 <GK> q+ to say I like being able to deal with measurement provenance; not sure expanding the initial example is best way...
Graham Klyne: q+ to say I like being able to deal with measurement provenance; not sure expanding the initial example is best way... ←
15:48:00 <dgarijo> ... the location of the picture on the example, by who
... the location of the picture on the example, by who ←
15:48:02 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:48:08 <dgarijo> Luc: good extension
Luc Moreau: good extension ←
15:48:13 <simoninireland> q+
Simon Dobson: q+ ←
15:48:18 <dgarijo> Luc: plase mail it to the mailing list
Luc Moreau: plase mail it to the mailing list ←
15:48:24 <pgroth> i think it's good
Paul Groth: i think it's good ←
15:48:29 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:48:38 <luc> ack lebo-rpi
Luc Moreau: ack lebo-rpi ←
15:49:00 <martin> q+
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Unknown martin: q+ ←
15:49:13 <Satya> I agree with martin, we have a relevant paper for provenance of sensor readings: http://knoesis.wright.edu/library/download/SPOT-Provenance_Aware_LSD.pdf
Satya Sahoo: I agree with martin, we have a relevant paper for provenance of sensor readings: http://knoesis.wright.edu/library/download/SPOT-Provenance_Aware_LSD.pdf ←
15:49:16 <dgarijo> lebo-rpi: extension to what the newspaper was doing incorporating information from various sources.
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Unknown lebo-rpi: extension to what the newspaper was doing incorporating information from various sources. ←
15:49:34 <dgarijo> ... for example another charter
... for example another charter ←
15:49:44 <Satya> +1 for lebo
Satya Sahoo: +1 for lebo ←
15:49:55 <Satya> q+
Satya Sahoo: q+ ←
15:50:07 <dgarijo> ... having multiple sources in the same graph
... having multiple sources in the same graph ←
15:50:13 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:50:18 <pgroth> this could integrate well with martin's proposal
Paul Groth: this could integrate well with martin's proposal ←
15:50:21 <khalidbelhajjame> +q
Khalid Belhajjame: +q ←
15:50:23 <dgarijo> Luc: great, send a mil also
Luc Moreau: great, send a mil also ←
15:50:41 <pgroth> +q
Paul Groth: +q ←
15:50:41 <lebo-rpi> +1 on keeping this example simple
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Unknown lebo-rpi: +1 on keeping this example simple ←
15:50:58 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:50:59 <dgarijo> GK: not sure if this is the best way to handle the example. We should introduce more scenarios
Graham Klyne: not sure if this is the best way to handle the example. We should introduce more scenarios ←
15:51:08 <paolo_> +1 for multiple simple scenarios -- or at least make it modular
Paolo Missier: +1 for multiple simple scenarios -- or at least make it modular ←
15:51:10 <luc> ack GK
Luc Moreau: ack GK ←
15:51:10 <Zakim> GK, you wanted to say I like being able to deal with measurement provenance; not sure expanding the initial example is best way...
Zakim IRC Bot: GK, you wanted to say I like being able to deal with measurement provenance; not sure expanding the initial example is best way... ←
15:51:12 <kai> +1
Kai Eckert: +1 ←
15:51:19 <martin> q+
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Unknown martin: q+ ←
15:51:19 <pgroth> +1
Paul Groth: +1 ←
15:51:23 <lebo-rpi> +1
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Unknown lebo-rpi: +1 ←
15:51:34 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:51:44 <dgarijo> zakim, whi is speaking?
zakim, whi is speaking? ←
15:51:44 <Zakim> sorry, dgarijo, I do not understand your question
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, dgarijo, I do not understand your question ←
15:51:52 <dgarijo> zakim, who is speaking?
zakim, who is speaking? ←
15:51:54 <pgroth> so far this doesn't seem to bad...
Paul Groth: so far this doesn't seem to bad... ←
15:52:04 <Zakim> dgarijo, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Jeff_Pan (9%)
Zakim IRC Bot: dgarijo, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Jeff_Pan (9%) ←
15:52:14 <zednik> +1 for multiple focused scenarios
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Unknown zednik: +1 for multiple focused scenarios ←
15:52:33 <pgroth> these extensions don't look to bad
Paul Groth: these extensions don't look to bad ←
15:52:41 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:52:42 <GK> I'm happy with this
Graham Klyne: I'm happy with this ←
15:52:44 <martin> +1
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Unknown martin: +1 ←
15:52:57 <dgarijo> Luc: we will decide on the mailing list whether we should add new scenarios or simple extensions
Luc Moreau: we will decide on the mailing list whether we should add new scenarios or simple extensions ←
15:52:58 <frew> rapid progress on n simple examples > slow progress on 1 complex example
James Frew: rapid progress on n simple examples > slow progress on 1 complex example ←
15:53:05 <luc> ack simoninireland
Luc Moreau: ack simoninireland ←
15:53:10 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:53:23 <luc> ack martin
Luc Moreau: ack martin ←
15:53:37 <dgarijo> martin: in general the provenance problem is a highly interconnected graph
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Unknown martin: in general the provenance problem is a highly interconnected graph ←
15:53:48 <paulo> q+
15:53:50 <dgarijo> martin: multiple process/products
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Unknown martin: multiple process/products ←
15:53:55 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:54:07 <simoninireland> Sorry, I seem to have lost my sound input.....
Simon Dobson: Sorry, I seem to have lost my sound input..... ←
15:54:11 <dgarijo> ... not sure if the multiplicity adds new concepts
... not sure if the multiplicity adds new concepts ←
15:54:11 <lebo-rpi> martin suggested having the newspaper add a photograph to bring out measurement provenance - would a reader poll/survey make sense?
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Unknown lebo-rpi: martin suggested having the newspaper add a photograph to bring out measurement provenance - would a reader poll/survey make sense? ←
15:54:15 <simoninireland> I'll end an email of my comment
Simon Dobson: I'll end an email of my comment ←
15:54:22 <dgarijo> ... it might be an issue of cardinality
... it might be an issue of cardinality ←
15:54:35 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:54:40 <luc> ack satya
Luc Moreau: ack satya ←
15:54:42 <dgarijo> Luc: that is a discussion for the future
Luc Moreau: that is a discussion for the future ←
15:54:59 <dgarijo> Satya: we don't need the scenario, but add provenance questions
Satya Sahoo: we don't need the scenario, but add provenance questions ←
15:55:15 <Zakim> -??P27
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15:55:25 <dgarijo> ... would like to add a sentence to the end of the example
... would like to add a sentence to the end of the example ←
15:55:26 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:55:49 <GK> +1
Graham Klyne: +1 ←
15:55:54 <martin> +1 multiplicity is relevant for querying
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Unknown martin: +1 multiplicity is relevant for querying ←
15:56:00 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:56:06 <dgarijo> ... will mail the list for other points
... will mail the list for other points ←
15:56:09 <GK> (Need to have consumer for requirements/questions)
Graham Klyne: (Need to have consumer for requirements/questions) ←
15:56:11 <luc> ack khalidbelhajjame
Luc Moreau: ack khalidbelhajjame ←
15:56:14 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:56:52 <lebo-rpi> the "consumer" for my proposed two-source newspaper graph is the reader of the graph. They want to know that attribute X came from the government and attribute Y came from another company.
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Unknown lebo-rpi: the "consumer" for my proposed two-source newspaper graph is the reader of the graph. They want to know that attribute X came from the government and attribute Y came from another company. ←
15:56:52 <dgarijo> khalid: the error detected by the blogger should be part of the provenance
Khalid Belhajjame: the error detected by the blogger should be part of the provenance ←
15:56:59 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:57:06 <dgarijo> I agree with khalid
I agree with khalid ←
15:57:22 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:57:27 <luc> ack pgroth
Luc Moreau: ack pgroth ←
15:58:01 <dgarijo> pgroth: all suggestions can be included in the example. We have enough to discuss the concepts
Paul Groth: all suggestions can be included in the example. We have enough to discuss the concepts ←
15:58:14 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:58:22 <dgarijo> ... if we see that is not enough we can always go back and edit it
... if we see that is not enough we can always go back and edit it ←
15:59:08 <dgarijo> Luc: the best thing would be to reply the messages in the archive
Luc Moreau: the best thing would be to reply the messages in the archive ←
15:59:13 <luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:59:24 <dgarijo> +q
+q ←
16:00:53 <dgarijo> paulo: i would like to see what are the dimensions not considered right now
Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: i would like to see what are the dimensions not considered right now ←
16:01:48 <olaf> I have to go - bye
Olaf Hartig: I have to go - bye ←
<luc>Summary: Some suggestions were made to improve the data journalism example. It was indicated that these suggestions should be followed by an email and discussion on the mailing list. It was felt that the example should remain simple, and should not be stretched to accommodate all provenance use cases. If the need arises, other examples will be developed in a similar manner.
<luc>Subtopic: Concept illustration
Summary: Illustrations were circulated during the week. Concepts illustrations should initially be discussed over email.
16:01:52 <dgarijo> Luc: the motivation of the example was to discuss the concepts of the charter. We need to share some terminology
Luc Moreau: the motivation of the example was to discuss the concepts of the charter. We need to share some terminology ←
16:01:55 <luc> Charter concepts illustration: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011May/0018.html
Luc Moreau: Charter concepts illustration: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011May/0018.html ←
16:01:56 <Zakim> -olaf
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16:02:20 <dgarijo> Luc: illustration of the concepts
Luc Moreau: illustration of the concepts ←
16:02:36 <dgarijo> luc: let's discuss these concepts by email
Luc Moreau: let's discuss these concepts by email ←
<luc>Summary: Illustrations were circulated during the week. Concepts illustrations should initially be discussed over email.
16:02:43 <Zakim> -SatyaSahoo
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16:02:46 <Zakim> -Jeff_Pan
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16:02:47 <Zakim> - +30281039aaee
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16:03:24 <luc> rrsagent, set log public
Luc Moreau: rrsagent, set log public ←
16:03:36 <Zakim> -dgarijo
Zakim IRC Bot: -dgarijo ←
16:03:44 <luc> rrsagent, draft minutes
Luc Moreau: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:03:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/12-prov-minutes.html luc
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16:03:46 <Zakim> -GK
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16:03:52 <luc> trackbot, end telcon
Luc Moreau: trackbot, end telcon ←
16:03:52 <trackbot> Sorry, luc, I don't understand 'trackbot, end telcon '. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
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16:03:59 <Zakim> -luc
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