15:17:22 <Zakim> -jorn

15:17:34 <luc> pgroth: we want to get your feedback: are TF descriptions suitable?

15:17:50 <jcheney> +q

15:17:52 <Zakim> +??P30

15:18:03 <jorn> zakim, ??P30 is me

15:18:03 <Zakim> +jorn; got it

15:18:10 <luc> luc: this is an initial description, it will evolve over time probably

15:18:14 <paolo> zakim, who is on the phone?

15:18:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo, olaf, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, ??P6, sandro, VinhNguyen, Yogesh, jcheney, +1.518.276.aahh,

15:18:18 <Zakim> ... +1.518.633.aaii, +1.646.389.aajj, +1.518.276.aakk, YolandaGil, [IPcaller], jun, jorn

15:18:29 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

15:18:33 <luc> jcheney: would be good to know who joins which TF?

15:18:59 <LarsG> Zakim, please mute me

15:18:59 <Zakim> LarsG should now be muted

15:19:07 <luc> jcheney: minor issues to discuss, but shouldn't delay approval

15:19:12 <jcheney> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Talk:ProvenanceTaskForces

15:19:55 <luc> jcheney: formal model vs formal semantics? what's the dividing line?

15:21:00 <GK> For the RDF work, the model and formal semantics were developed in parallel

15:21:12 <luc> jcheney: formal or informal first?

15:21:43 <luc> jcheney: i wanted to bring this up for the record

15:21:53 <luc> PROPOSED: to accept the structure of task forces

15:22:12 <satya> +1

15:22:14 <jcheney> +1

15:22:15 <jorn> +1

15:22:16 <ericstephan> +1

15:22:17 <iker> +1

15:22:17 <sandro> +1

15:22:17 <pgroth> +1

15:22:18 <JamesMyers> +1

15:22:18 <paolo> +1

15:22:18 <dgarijo> +1

15:22:19 <paulo> q+

15:22:21 <abdn_uk> +1

15:22:22 <jun> +1

15:22:23 <frew> +1

15:22:25 <olaf> +1

15:22:26 <zednik> +1

15:22:28 <jcheney> -q

15:22:29 <Yogesh> +1

15:22:29 <khalidbelhajjame> +1

15:22:30 <luc> +1

15:22:56 <VinhNguyen> +1

15:22:59 <luc> paulo: I don't fully understand dependencies

15:23:20 <luc> ... some things can be done in parallel, but other tasks difficult without model

15:23:27 <paolo> q+

15:24:26 <luc> paolo: implementation TF: is  toolkit in scope of charter?

15:24:27 <Zakim> +??P41

15:24:39 <Zakim> -??P6

15:24:49 <luc> pgroth: it's for people in this TF to discuss

<luc>Scribe: pgroth

15:25:18 <luc> ... in WG, we encourage people to implement the standard, we don't do it ourselves

15:25:50 <pgroth> luc: not the goal of the working group to directly implement the standard

15:25:58 <satya> I think implementations/tools is also a requirement for the W3C recommendation process

15:26:16 <Zakim> +??P6

15:26:26 <pgroth> luc: we want encourage the implementation of the standards

15:26:50 <pgroth> luc: initial tasks for each task force can be done in parallel

15:26:53 <khalidbelhajjame> zakim, +??P6 is really me

15:26:53 <Zakim> sorry, khalidbelhajjame, I do not recognize a party named '+??P6'

15:27:07 <pgroth> luc: we need to identify and manage dependencies betweens task forces

15:27:43 <Zakim> + +1.860.995.aall

15:27:45 <khalidbelhajjame> zakim, ??P6 is really me

15:27:45 <Zakim> +khalidbelhajjame; got it

<luc>Scribe: luc

15:28:00 <luc> paulo: this answers my question

15:28:13 <luc> ACCEPTED: structure of task forces

15:28:28 <luc> Topic: Model Task Force

<luc>Summary: An approach to bootstrap the Model Task Force was discussed, in which we adopt an example, and iteratively discuss charter concepts, to build a common understanding. This approach was accepted. We left the discussion of the actual example and its presentation to the next teleconference.

15:28:53 <luc> pgroth: by email, we outlined a way of bootstrapping activities of the Model Task Force

Paul Groth: by email, we outlined a way of bootstrapping activities of the Model Task Force ←

15:28:25 <pgroth> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Apr/0012.html

Paul Groth: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Apr/0012.html ←

15:28:59 <dgarijo> The initial scenario: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceExampleAndConcept1

Daniel Garijo: The initial scenario: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceExampleAndConcept1 ←

15:29:27 <luc> pgroth: an example, illustrating concepts of charter, and then raising issues for discussion

Paul Groth: an example, illustrating concepts of charter, and then raising issues for discussion ←

15:29:40 <paulo> q+

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: q+ ←

15:29:54 <paolo> q-

Paolo Missier: q- ←

15:30:07 <paolo> sorry that was dangling from earlier

Paolo Missier: sorry that was dangling from earlier ←

15:31:21 <luc> paulo: most interesting incubator discussions were about the concepts (in final report of incubator)

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: most interesting incubator discussions were about the concepts (in final report of incubator) ←

15:31:46 <luc> paulo: reluctant to use mapping work for background of this group

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: reluctant to use mapping work for background of this group ←

15:32:32 <dgarijo> isn't that the actual starting point?

Daniel Garijo: isn't that the actual starting point? ←

15:33:07 <Zakim> -jorn

Zakim IRC Bot: -jorn ←

15:33:26 <luc> sound quality is very poor for me

sound quality is very poor for me ←

15:33:41 <Zakim> +??P30

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P30 ←

15:33:48 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceExampleAndConcept1

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceExampleAndConcept1 ←

15:33:49 <luc> paulo: we should start from concepts of the final report

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: we should start from concepts of the final report ←

15:33:53 <jorn> zakim, ??P30 is me

Jorn Hees: zakim, ??P30 is me ←

15:33:53 <Zakim> +jorn; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jorn; got it ←

15:34:10 <jcheney> +q

James Cheney: +q ←

15:34:18 <luc> pgroth: that's exactly what is proposed, the example illustrates concepts from the charter

Paul Groth: that's exactly what is proposed, the example illustrates concepts from the charter ←

15:34:36 <luc> pgroth: i think we propose what you are suggesting

Paul Groth: i think we propose what you are suggesting ←

15:35:15 <luc> q- paulo

q- paulo ←

15:35:56 <luc> jcheney: we seem to bootstrap model task force with example

James Cheney: we seem to bootstrap model task force with example ←

15:36:03 <paulo> q+

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: q+ ←

15:36:08 <luc> q+

q+ ←

15:37:03 <GK> +1 to using test cases to isolate issues

Graham Klyne: +1 to using test cases to isolate issues ←

15:37:04 <luc> jcheney: when raising issues, we should give concrete examples of what we are trying to achieve

James Cheney: when raising issues, we should give concrete examples of what we are trying to achieve ←

15:37:07 <jcheney> q-

James Cheney: q- ←

15:37:09 <luc> q?

q? ←

<luc> Scribe: pgroth

(Scribe set to Paul Groth)

15:37:35 <pgroth> luc: in the discussion, now, there are lots of references to the work that incubator did

Luc Moreau: in the discussion, now, there are lots of references to the work that incubator did ←

15:37:49 <pgroth> luc: we should remember that half of the participants were not members of the incubator group

Luc Moreau: we should remember that half of the participants were not members of the incubator group ←

15:38:05 <pgroth> luc: we should begin discussions (similar to those we had in the incubator) around the concepts from the charter

Luc Moreau: we should begin discussions (similar to those we had in the incubator) around the concepts from the charter ←

15:38:28 <pgroth> luc: with this, we will bootstrap the model task force and we will educate the whole working group

Luc Moreau: with this, we will bootstrap the model task force and we will educate the whole working group ←

<luc> Scribe: luc

(Scribe set to Luc Moreau)

15:38:37 <luc> q-

q- ←

15:38:38 <paulo> q+

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: q+ ←

15:39:34 <luc> paulo: my only concern is to refer back to the mapping

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: my only concern is to refer back to the mapping ←

15:40:01 <luc> paulo: we shouldn't consider the list of concepts final

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: we shouldn't consider the list of concepts final ←

15:40:36 <luc> ... e.g. versioning was put there as a placeholder

... e.g. versioning was put there as a placeholder ←

15:41:16 <luc> pgroth: that's the approach

Paul Groth: that's the approach ←

15:41:41 <luc> I suggest we follow jcheney approach, to bring further examples which may indicate the need for further concepts

I suggest we follow jcheney approach, to bring further examples which may indicate the need for further concepts ←

15:42:28 <luc> PROPOSED: discuss charter concepts initially, based on a given example

PROPOSED: discuss charter concepts initially, based on a given example ←

15:42:46 <jcheney> Concretely, it would help a lot of someone could add an example showing how to handle http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceExampleAndConcept1 using PML.

James Cheney: Concretely, it would help a lot of someone could add an example showing how to handle http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceExampleAndConcept1 using PML. ←

15:43:30 <dgarijo> but why PML only and not OPM/Provenir/Provenance Vocabulary and others?

Daniel Garijo: but why PML only and not OPM/Provenir/Provenance Vocabulary and others? ←

15:43:38 <luc> pgroth: all discussions are public and in the open

Paul Groth: all discussions are public and in the open ←

15:44:00 <luc> ... any other comment about this proposal?

... any other comment about this proposal? ←

15:44:23 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1 ←

15:44:24 <jcheney> certainly, having OPM/Provenir/Provenance Vocabulary examples would help even more!

James Cheney: certainly, having OPM/Provenir/Provenance Vocabulary examples would help even more! ←

15:44:25 <DavidC> +1

David Corsar: +1 ←

15:44:26 <frew> pls restate proposal concisely

James Frew: pls restate proposal concisely ←

15:44:57 <paulo> q+

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: q+ ←

15:45:14 <luc> PROPOSED: to accept the approach outlined in  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Apr/0012.html

PROPOSED: to accept the approach outlined in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Apr/0012.html ←

15:45:50 <dgarijo> +q

Daniel Garijo: +q ←

15:46:28 <luc> paulo: we have languages, but we don't have semantics

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: we have languages, but we don't have semantics ←

15:46:53 <paolo> q+

Paolo Missier: q+ ←

15:47:04 <jorn> +1

Jorn Hees: +1 ←

15:47:12 <luc> pgroth: proposal is to iterate through informal definitions, until we agree on an English definition

Paul Groth: proposal is to iterate through informal definitions, until we agree on an English definition ←

15:47:15 <JamesMyers> +1, I think the example is rich enough that it includes the concepts behind the differences in prior languages and adding issues/small point examples to capture anything missing will work

James Myers: +1, I think the example is rich enough that it includes the concepts behind the differences in prior languages and adding issues/small point examples to capture anything missing will work ←

15:47:59 <dgarijo> q-

Daniel Garijo: q- ←

15:48:07 <luc> pgroth: the proposal is about the process, not the concrete example

Paul Groth: the proposal is about the process, not the concrete example ←

15:48:40 <luc> paolo: people may be uncomfortable with the graph with strong opm flavor

Paolo Missier: people may be uncomfortable with the graph with strong opm flavor ←

15:48:47 <YolandaGil> q+

Yolanda Gil: q+ ←

15:48:50 <paolo> q-

Paolo Missier: q- ←

15:48:54 <Zakim> -jorn

Zakim IRC Bot: -jorn ←

15:49:02 <pgroth> ack paulo

Paul Groth: ack paulo ←

15:49:13 <luc> yolanda: we had lots of scenarios in the incubator

Yolanda Gil: we had lots of scenarios in the incubator ←

15:49:32 <luc> ... we selected concepts that were most relevant from these scenarios

... we selected concepts that were most relevant from these scenarios ←

15:49:32 <Zakim> +??P3

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←

15:49:50 <jorn> zakim, ??P3 is me

Jorn Hees: zakim, ??P3 is me ←

15:49:50 <Zakim> +jorn; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jorn; got it ←

15:49:59 <luc> ... concern with example-based approach is that we could go to deep on some concepts and not pay attention to others

... concern with example-based approach is that we could go to deep on some concepts and not pay attention to others ←

15:50:25 <satya> q+

Satya Sahoo: q+ ←

15:50:33 <pgroth> ack YolandaGil

Paul Groth: ack YolandaGil ←

15:50:52 <luc> pgroth: by driving by an example, would we be too specific?

Paul Groth: by driving by an example, would we be too specific? ←

15:51:28 <luc> satya: we shouldn't use the graph, but the plain text descriptions, and add further concepts if required

Satya Sahoo: we shouldn't use the graph, but the plain text descriptions, and add further concepts if required ←

15:51:32 <satya> q-

Satya Sahoo: q- ←

15:52:15 <jcheney> q+

James Cheney: q+ ←

15:52:37 <luc> pgroth: remove the opm specific graph

Paul Groth: remove the opm specific graph ←

15:52:59 <paulo> q+

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: q+ ←

15:53:09 <luc> jcheney: use of other languages to describe the same scenario

James Cheney: use of other languages to describe the same scenario ←

15:53:27 <pgroth> ack jcheney

Paul Groth: ack jcheney ←

15:53:29 <jcheney> q-

James Cheney: q- ←

15:53:30 <pgroth> ack paulo

Paul Groth: ack paulo ←

15:53:34 <luc> ... would be good for comparison

... would be good for comparison ←

15:53:39 <frew> +1 what jcheney said

James Frew: +1 what jcheney said ←

15:54:08 <luc> paulo: issues are defined in opm terms

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: issues are defined in opm terms ←

15:54:34 <luc> paulo: name of sections are OPM terms

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: name of sections are OPM terms ←

15:54:57 <luc> paulo: meaning of the graph should be explained in plain english

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: meaning of the graph should be explained in plain english ←

15:55:17 <luc> q+

q+ ←

15:56:08 <luc> paulo: what is the true scenario in this example?

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: what is the true scenario in this example? ←

15:56:54 <luc> paulo: we should not have pre-defined views of the world

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: we should not have pre-defined views of the world ←

15:57:27 <luc> paulo: we are already embracing terms with predefined meanings

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: we are already embracing terms with predefined meanings ←

15:57:32 <paolo> (I will need to leave the building at the top of the hour, talk next week. I would appreciate getting on the list if possible!)

Paolo Missier: (I will need to leave the building at the top of the hour, talk next week. I would appreciate getting on the list if possible!) ←

15:57:37 <satya> I agree with Paulo - maybe we should start with the "Outline" and "Processing steps" in the example?

Satya Sahoo: I agree with Paulo - maybe we should start with the "Outline" and "Processing steps" in the example? ←

<luc>Scribe: luc

15:57:51 <pgroth> luc: we should go back to the agenda

Luc Moreau: we should go back to the agenda [ Scribe Assist by Paul Groth ] ←

15:57:59 <pgroth> luc: we are mixing two different discussions

Luc Moreau: we are mixing two different discussions [ Scribe Assist by Paul Groth ] ←

15:58:04 <pgroth> luc: we should agree (or not) on a process, which is

Luc Moreau: we should agree (or not) on a process, which is [ Scribe Assist by Paul Groth ] ←

15:58:09 <pgroth> ... example driven

Paul Groth: ... example driven ←

15:58:24 <pgroth> luc: which involves discussion of concepts of the charter

Luc Moreau: which involves discussion of concepts of the charter [ Scribe Assist by Paul Groth ] ←

15:58:49 <pgroth> luc: what we are discussing right now is the content of the example, not the process

Luc Moreau: what we are discussing right now is the content of the example, not the process [ Scribe Assist by Paul Groth ] ←

15:59:05 <pgroth> luc: to paulo, headings are terms from the charter,

Luc Moreau: to paulo, headings are terms from the charter, [ Scribe Assist by Paul Groth ] ←

15:59:12 <pgroth> ... these are not opm terms

Paul Groth: ... these are not opm terms ←

<luc>Scribe: pgroth

(Scribe set to Paul Groth)

<luc>pgroth: do we have support for the proposed process

Paul Groth: do we have support for the proposed process [ Scribe Assist by Luc Moreau ] ←

15:59:28 <satya> +1 for example driven process

Satya Sahoo: +1 for example driven process ←

15:59:41 <GK> +1 for example driver

Graham Klyne: +1 for example driver ←

15:59:51 <JamesMyers> +1 for process

James Myers: +1 for process ←

15:59:52 <ericstephan_> +1

Eric Stephan: +1 ←

15:59:53 <dgarijo> +1 the example

Daniel Garijo: +1 the example ←

16:00:08 <paulo> +1 to be example-driven

Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: +1 to be example-driven ←

16:00:13 <Zakim> -GK

Zakim IRC Bot: -GK ←

16:00:14 <DavidC> +1  for example-driven approach

David Corsar: +1 for example-driven approach ←

16:00:14 <frew> +1 EDA

James Frew: +1 EDA ←

16:00:19 <jcheney> +1 for example-driven

James Cheney: +1 for example-driven ←

16:00:20 <Yogesh> +1

Yogesh Simmhan: +1 ←

16:00:21 <olaf> +1

Olaf Hartig: +1 ←

16:00:23 <jorn> +1 to example driven approache

Jorn Hees: +1 to example driven approache ←

16:00:23 <abdn_uk> +1 for example driven approach

Edoardo Pignotti: +1 for example driven approach ←

16:00:26 <LarsG> +1

Lars G: +1 ←

16:00:26 <khalidbelhajjame> +1 for example driven

Khalid Belhajjame: +1 for example driven ←

16:00:27 <Yogesh> +1 EDA

Yogesh Simmhan: +1 EDA ←

16:00:38 <zednik> +1 for EDA

Stephan Zednik: +1 for EDA ←

16:00:38 <jun> +1

Jun Zhao: +1 ←

16:00:42 <jcheney> (can the minutes make the proposal clear?)

James Cheney: (can the minutes make the proposal clear?) ←

16:01:03 <jcheney> +q

James Cheney: +q ←

<luc> luc: clarification requested here:

Luc Moreau: clarification requested here: [ Scribe Assist by Luc Moreau ] ←

<luc> Text added at minute-editing time, to clarify proposal

Luc Moreau: Text added at minute-editing time, to clarify proposal ←

<luc> Proposal extracted from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Apr/0012.html

Luc Moreau: Proposal extracted from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Apr/0012.html ←

<luc> 1. We work with an initial scenario

Luc Moreau: 1. We work with an initial scenario ←

<luc> 2. We list "provenance-related queries" which we would like to support in this scenario

Luc Moreau: 2. We list "provenance-related queries" which we would like to support in this scenario ←

<luc> 3. We then informally define concepts identified in the charter

Luc Moreau: 3. We then informally define concepts identified in the charter ←

<luc> 4. Over time, this will allow us to construct a vocabulary and a shared understanding, which we will then formalize in the provenance model

Luc Moreau: 4. Over time, this will allow us to construct a vocabulary and a shared understanding, which we will then formalize in the provenance model ←

16:01:17 <pgroth> ack luc

ack luc ←

16:01:20 <pgroth> ack jcheney

ack jcheney ←

16:01:44 <luc> ACCEPTED: example driven approach as a process

RESOLVED: example driven approach as a process ←

16:01:55 <jcheney> OK, good

James Cheney: OK, good ←

16:02:13 <Zakim> -YolandaGil

Zakim IRC Bot: -YolandaGil ←

16:02:17 <luc> q-

Luc Moreau: q- ←

16:02:25 <GK> q+ admin matter - to ask who is mailing list admin?

Graham Klyne: q+ admin matter - to ask who is mailing list admin? ←

16:02:33 <Zakim> - +1.518.276.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.518.276.aahh ←

16:02:35 <Zakim> -SatyaSahoo

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16:02:36 <Zakim> -Yogesh

Zakim IRC Bot: -Yogesh ←

16:02:36 <Zakim> -olaf

Zakim IRC Bot: -olaf ←

16:02:36 <Zakim> -khalidbelhajjame

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16:02:37 <luc> pgroth: we'll end here but there is a lot to discuss on the example

Paul Groth: we'll end here but there is a lot to discuss on the example [ Scribe Assist by Luc Moreau ] ←

16:02:38 <Zakim> -dgarijo

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16:02:38 <Zakim> - +1.509.375.aadd

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16:02:39 <Zakim> -??P41

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16:02:42 <Zakim> -jun

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16:02:46 <Zakim> - +1.518.633.aaii

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16:02:48 <Zakim> -VinhNguyen

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16:02:50 <Zakim> -sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -sandro ←

16:02:52 <Zakim> -jcheney

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16:02:59 <Zakim> -paolo

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16:03:01 <Zakim> - +1.518.276.aakk

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16:03:04 <Zakim> - +1.646.389.aajj

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16:03:26 <Zakim> -jorn

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16:03:29 <Zakim> -LarsG

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16:03:35 <Zakim> -Jeff_Pan

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16:03:37 <Zakim> -pgroth

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16:03:39 <Zakim> -luc

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16:03:42 <GK> @sandro still here in IRC?

Graham Klyne: @sandro still here in IRC? ←

16:03:43 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

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16:03:59 <Zakim> - +1.860.995.aall

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16:04:17 <Zakim> -??P17

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16:04:54 <luc> rrsagent, set log public

Luc Moreau: rrsagent, set log public ←

16:05:06 <Zakim> -paulo

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16:05:08 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has ended

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16:05:09 <Zakim> Attendees were jorn, pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, paulo, SatyaSahoo, +49.302.093.aacc, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, sandro, olaf, +1.540.449.aaff, +1.646.389.aagg, jcheney,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were jorn, pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, paulo, SatyaSahoo, +49.302.093.aacc, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, sandro, olaf, +1.540.449.aaff, +1.646.389.aagg, jcheney, ←

16:05:13 <Zakim> ... Yogesh, +1.518.276.aahh, VinhNguyen, +1.518.633.aaii, +1.646.389.aajj, +1.518.276.aakk, [IPcaller], YolandaGil, jun, LarsG, +1.860.995.aall, khalidbelhajjame

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Yogesh, +1.518.276.aahh, VinhNguyen, +1.518.633.aaii, +1.646.389.aajj, +1.518.276.aakk, [IPcaller], YolandaGil, jun, LarsG, +1.860.995.aall, khalidbelhajjame ←

16:05:16 <luc> rrsagent, draft minutes

Luc Moreau: rrsagent, draft minutes ←

16:05:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/05-prov-minutes.html luc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/05-prov-minutes.html luc ←

16:05:31 <luc> trackbot, end telcon

Luc Moreau: trackbot, end telcon ←

16:05:31 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←

16:05:31 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is ←

16:05:32 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←

16:05:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/05-prov-minutes.html trackbot

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/05-prov-minutes.html trackbot ←

16:05:33 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←

16:05:33 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←

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This revision (#2) generated 2011-05-06 17:06:08 UTC by 'pgroth', comments: "Removed Simon Miles and Simon Dobson as they weren't at the telecon"