Minutes of last week's meeting were approved
Actions 1 and 2 closed
Decision of inviting experts still to be made by W3C
It's important to discuss issues by email during the week
Please volunteer to scribe
The proposed structure and description of Provenance Task Forces were accepted.
An approach to bootstrap the Model Task Force was discussed, in which we adopt an example, and iteratively discuss charter concepts, to build a common understanding. This approach was accepted. We left the discussion of the actual example and its presentation to the next teleconference.
<sandro> Guest: Yolanda Gil
<sandro> Guest: Jim McCusker
<luc> Guest: Olaf Hartig
<luc> Guest: Satya Sahoo
<luc> Guest: Yogesh Simmhan
<luc> Guest: James Frew
<luc> Guest: Stephan Zednik
<luc> Guest: Tim (rpi-lebo) Lebo
<luc> Guest: Jorn Hees
<luc> Guest: Khalid Belhajjame
<luc> Guest: Lars G
<luc> Guest: Edoardo (abdn_uk) Pignotti
<luc> Guest: Lena X
<luc> Guest: Paolo Missier
<luc> Guest: Jeff Pan
14:46:29 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/05/05-prov-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/05/05-prov-irc ←
14:46:31 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world ←
14:46:33 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be ←
14:46:33 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot ←
14:46:34 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:46:34 <trackbot> Date: 05 May 2011
14:47:49 <luc> Zakim, this will be SW_PROV
Luc Moreau: Zakim, this will be SW_PROV ←
14:47:49 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, luc
Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, luc ←
14:48:04 <luc> Zakim, this will be PROV
Luc Moreau: Zakim, this will be PROV ←
14:48:04 <Zakim> ok, luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes ←
14:48:49 <luc> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.05.05
14:49:20 <luc> Chair: pgroth
14:49:26 <pgroth> hmm, i can't get on the call
Paul Groth: hmm, i can't get on the call ←
14:49:33 <pgroth> is anyone else dialed in?
Paul Groth: is anyone else dialed in? ←
14:49:41 <luc> Scribe: luc
(Scribe set to Luc Moreau)
14:49:45 <dgarijo> hi
Daniel Garijo: hi ←
14:49:47 <dgarijo> not yet
Daniel Garijo: not yet ←
14:50:11 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started ←
14:50:13 <luc> rrsagent, make logs public
rrsagent, make logs public ←
14:50:19 <Zakim> +??P9
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9 ←
14:50:39 <jorn> zakim, +??P9 is me
Jorn Hees: zakim, +??P9 is me ←
14:50:39 <Zakim> sorry, jorn, I do not recognize a party named '+??P9'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, jorn, I do not recognize a party named '+??P9' ←
14:50:47 <Zakim> +??P0
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0 ←
14:50:53 <jorn> zakim, ??P9 is me
Jorn Hees: zakim, ??P9 is me ←
14:50:53 <Zakim> +jorn; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jorn; got it ←
14:51:01 <pgroth> zakim, ??P0 is me
Paul Groth: zakim, ??P0 is me ←
14:51:01 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgroth; got it ←
14:53:26 <Zakim> + +44.238.059.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.238.059.aaaa ←
14:54:02 <luc> zakim, who is here?
zakim, who is here? ←
14:54:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see jorn, pgroth, +44.238.059.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see jorn, pgroth, +44.238.059.aaaa ←
14:54:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see dgarijo, Zakim, RRSAgent, luc, pgroth, jorn, Luc_, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see dgarijo, Zakim, RRSAgent, luc, pgroth, jorn, Luc_, sandro, trackbot ←
14:54:35 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:54:45 <luc> zakim, +44.238.059.aaaa is me
zakim, +44.238.059.aaaa is me ←
14:54:45 <Zakim> +luc; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +luc; got it ←
14:55:01 <dgarijo> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
Daniel Garijo: zakim, [IPcaller] is me ←
14:55:01 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dgarijo; got it ←
14:55:15 <Zakim> -jorn
Zakim IRC Bot: -jorn ←
14:55:28 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:56:04 <pgroth> Zakim, who is loud?
Paul Groth: Zakim, who is loud? ←
14:56:04 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, pgroth.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, pgroth. ←
14:56:34 <Zakim> +??P18
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18 ←
14:56:36 <Zakim> +??P17
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P17 ←
14:56:39 <luc> zakim, who is making noise?
zakim, who is making noise? ←
14:56:49 <Zakim> luc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pgroth (50%), [IPcaller] (87%), ??P17 (24%)
Zakim IRC Bot: luc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pgroth (50%), [IPcaller] (87%), ??P17 (24%) ←
14:57:13 <luc> zakim, agenda?
zakim, agenda? ←
14:57:13 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
Zakim IRC Bot: I see nothing on the agenda ←
14:57:42 <iker> zakim, who's here?
Iker Huerga: zakim, who's here? ←
14:57:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, [IPcaller], ??P18, ??P17
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, [IPcaller], ??P18, ??P17 ←
14:57:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see GK, iker, dgarijo, Zakim, RRSAgent, luc, pgroth, jorn, Luc_, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see GK, iker, dgarijo, Zakim, RRSAgent, luc, pgroth, jorn, Luc_, sandro, trackbot ←
14:57:49 <Zakim> + +1.915.603.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.915.603.aabb ←
14:57:55 <luc> Regrets: Helena Deus
14:58:30 <GK> I think [IPCaller] may be me ... Graham Klyne
Graham Klyne: I think [IPCaller] may be me ... Graham Klyne ←
14:58:45 <paulo> q?
14:58:57 <paolo_> zakim, who is on the phone?
Paolo Missier: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:58:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, [IPcaller], ??P18, ??P17, +1.915.603.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, [IPcaller], ??P18, ??P17, +1.915.603.aabb ←
14:59:30 <dgarijo> zakim, [IPcaller] is GK
Daniel Garijo: zakim, [IPcaller] is GK ←
14:59:30 <Zakim> +GK; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +GK; got it ←
14:59:39 <pgroth> zakim, who is on the phone?
Paul Groth: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:59:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, ??P18, ??P17, +1.915.603.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, ??P18, ??P17, +1.915.603.aabb ←
15:00:19 <paolo> zakim, ??P18 is me
Paolo Missier: zakim, ??P18 is me ←
15:00:20 <pgroth> zakim, +1.915.603.aabb is paulo
Paul Groth: zakim, +1.915.603.aabb is paulo ←
15:00:20 <Zakim> +paolo; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +paolo; got it ←
15:00:20 <Zakim> +paulo; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +paulo; got it ←
15:00:32 <pgroth> zakim, who is on the phone?
Paul Groth: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:00:36 <Zakim> +SatyaSahoo
Zakim IRC Bot: +SatyaSahoo ←
15:00:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo ←
15:00:59 <paulo> zakim, +1.915.603.aabb is me
Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: zakim, +1.915.603.aabb is me ←
15:01:02 <Zakim> + +49.302.093.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +49.302.093.aacc ←
15:01:08 <Zakim> +??P33
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P33 ←
15:01:13 <Zakim> sorry, paulo, I do not recognize a party named '+1.915.603.aabb'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, paulo, I do not recognize a party named '+1.915.603.aabb' ←
15:01:14 <Zakim> + +1.509.375.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.509.375.aadd ←
15:01:18 <Zakim> +Jeff_Pan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Jeff_Pan ←
15:01:20 <Zakim> +??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6 ←
15:01:22 <Zakim> +??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11 ←
15:01:24 <Zakim> +sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro ←
15:01:26 <Zakim> + +1.937.708.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.937.708.aaee ←
15:01:33 <olaf> zakim, aacc is me
Olaf Hartig: zakim, aacc is me ←
15:01:33 <Zakim> +olaf; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +olaf; got it ←
15:01:41 <pgroth> zakim, who is on the phone?
Paul Groth: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:01:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo, olaf, ??P33, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, ??P6, ??P11, sandro, +1.937.708.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo, olaf, ??P33, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, ??P6, ??P11, sandro, +1.937.708.aaee ←
15:01:45 <Zakim> -??P33
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P33 ←
15:01:51 <Zakim> + +1.540.449.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.540.449.aaff ←
15:02:00 <jcheney> Zakim, who is here
James Cheney: Zakim, who is here ←
15:02:00 <Zakim> jcheney, you need to end that query with '?'
Zakim IRC Bot: jcheney, you need to end that query with '?' ←
15:02:03 <jcheney> Zakim, who is here?
James Cheney: Zakim, who is here? ←
15:02:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo, olaf, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, ??P6, ??P11, sandro, +1.937.708.aaee, +1.540.449.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo, olaf, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, ??P6, ??P11, sandro, +1.937.708.aaee, +1.540.449.aaff ←
15:02:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see khalidbelhajjame, jcheney, zednik, abdn_uk, olaf, satya, paulo, paolo, GK, iker, dgarijo, Zakim, RRSAgent, luc, pgroth, jorn, Luc_, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see khalidbelhajjame, jcheney, zednik, abdn_uk, olaf, satya, paulo, paolo, GK, iker, dgarijo, Zakim, RRSAgent, luc, pgroth, jorn, Luc_, sandro, trackbot ←
15:02:08 <Zakim> + +1.646.389.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.646.389.aagg ←
15:02:13 <Zakim> -??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P11 ←
15:02:22 <Zakim> +??P30
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P30 ←
15:02:37 <jorn> zakim, ??P30 is me
Jorn Hees: zakim, ??P30 is me ←
15:02:37 <Zakim> +jorn; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jorn; got it ←
15:02:47 <pgroth> Zakim, who is here?
Paul Groth: Zakim, who is here? ←
15:02:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo, olaf, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, ??P6, sandro, +1.937.708.aaee, +1.540.449.aaff, +1.646.389.aagg, jorn
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo, olaf, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, ??P6, sandro, +1.937.708.aaee, +1.540.449.aaff, +1.646.389.aagg, jorn ←
15:02:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see Yogesh, VinhNguyen, khalidbelhajjame, jcheney, zednik, abdn_uk, olaf, satya, paulo, paolo, GK, iker, dgarijo, Zakim, RRSAgent, luc, pgroth, jorn, Luc_, sandro,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Yogesh, VinhNguyen, khalidbelhajjame, jcheney, zednik, abdn_uk, olaf, satya, paulo, paolo, GK, iker, dgarijo, Zakim, RRSAgent, luc, pgroth, jorn, Luc_, sandro, ←
15:02:54 <Zakim> ... trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot ←
15:02:57 <Zakim> +??P33
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P33 ←
15:03:09 <jcheney> zakim, ??P33 is me
James Cheney: zakim, ??P33 is me ←
15:03:09 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jcheney; got it ←
15:03:24 <Yogesh> zakim, +1.540 is me
Yogesh Simmhan: zakim, +1.540 is me ←
15:03:24 <Zakim> +Yogesh; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Yogesh; got it ←
15:03:39 <pgroth> Zakim, who is here?
Paul Groth: Zakim, who is here? ←
15:03:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo, olaf, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, ??P6, sandro, +1.937.708.aaee, Yogesh, +1.646.389.aagg, jorn, jcheney
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo, olaf, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, ??P6, sandro, +1.937.708.aaee, Yogesh, +1.646.389.aagg, jorn, jcheney ←
15:03:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see Yogesh, VinhNguyen, khalidbelhajjame, jcheney, zednik, abdn_uk, olaf, satya, paulo, paolo, GK, iker, dgarijo, Zakim, RRSAgent, luc, pgroth, jorn, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Yogesh, VinhNguyen, khalidbelhajjame, jcheney, zednik, abdn_uk, olaf, satya, paulo, paolo, GK, iker, dgarijo, Zakim, RRSAgent, luc, pgroth, jorn, sandro, trackbot ←
15:03:51 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aahh ←
15:04:18 <VinhNguyen> zakim, +1.937.708.aaee is me
Vinh Nguyen: zakim, +1.937.708.aaee is me ←
15:04:18 <Zakim> +VinhNguyen; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +VinhNguyen; got it ←
15:04:31 <luc> luc: use irc channel http://irc.w3.org/?channels=prov
Luc Moreau: use irc channel http://irc.w3.org/?channels=prov ←
15:04:39 <pgroth> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Paul Groth: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:04:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo, olaf, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, ??P6, sandro, VinhNguyen, Yogesh, +1.646.389.aagg, jorn, jcheney,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo, olaf, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, ??P6, sandro, VinhNguyen, Yogesh, +1.646.389.aagg, jorn, jcheney, ←
15:04:43 <Zakim> ... +1.518.276.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.518.276.aahh ←
15:05:00 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.05.05
Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.05.05 ←
15:05:16 <luc> TOPIC: 1 Admin
15:05:36 <Zakim> + +1.518.633.aaii
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.633.aaii ←
15:06:01 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2011-04-28
Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2011-04-28 ←
15:06:02 <luc> SubTopic: Minutes Approval
Summary: Minutes of last week's meeting were approved
15:06:02 <luc> Summary: Minutes of last week's meeting were approved
15:06:17 <Zakim> - +1.646.389.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.646.389.aagg ←
15:06:37 <Zakim> + +1.646.389.aajj
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.646.389.aajj ←
15:06:41 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/open
Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/open ←
15:06:48 <luc> ACCEPTED: last week's minutes
RESOLVED: last week's minutes ←
15:06:57 <luc> SubTopic: Action Items
Summary: Actions 1 and 2 closed
15:06:02 <luc> Summary: Actions 1 and 2 closed
15:07:18 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Main_Page#Background
Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Main_Page#Background ←
15:08:13 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aakk
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aakk ←
15:08:35 <Zakim> +[ISI]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[ISI] ←
15:08:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:09:03 <luc> Actions ACTION-1 and ACTION-2 t be closed
Actions ACTION-1 and ACTION-2 t be closed ←
15:09:04 <YolandaGil> Zakim, +[ISI] is really me
Yolanda Gil: Zakim, +[ISI] is really me ←
15:09:04 <Zakim> sorry, YolandaGil, I do not recognize a party named '+[ISI]'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, YolandaGil, I do not recognize a party named '+[ISI]' ←
15:09:15 <YolandaGil> Zakim, [ISI] is really me
Yolanda Gil: Zakim, [ISI] is really me ←
15:09:15 <Zakim> +YolandaGil; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +YolandaGil; got it ←
15:09:17 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a] ←
15:09:18 <luc> SubTopic: Invited Experts
Summary: Decision of inviting experts still to be made by W3C
15:06:02 <luc> Summary: Decision of inviting experts still to be made by W3C
15:09:29 <luc> Sandro: still in progress
Sandro Hawke: still in progress ←
15:09:32 <jun> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is jun
Jun Zhao: zakim, [IPcaller.a] is jun ←
15:09:32 <Zakim> +jun; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jun; got it ←
15:09:45 <paolo> I am in a similar situation: not officially joined yet
Paolo Missier: I am in a similar situation: not officially joined yet ←
15:10:01 <luc> pgroth: mailing list will be updated once decisions made
Paul Groth: mailing list will be updated once decisions made ←
15:10:15 <luc> SubTopic: email discussions
Summary: It's important to discuss issues by email during the week
15:06:02 <luc> Summary: It's important to discuss issues by email during the week
15:10:34 <luc> pgroth: we cannot do all our discussions in a single weekly call
Paul Groth: we cannot do all our discussions in a single weekly call ←
15:10:59 <luc> ... bring up all your comments on the mailing list (once you have been signed up for it!)
... bring up all your comments on the mailing list (once you have been signed up for it!) ←
15:11:15 <luc> q?
q? ←
15:11:28 <dgarijo> how do you "raise" an issue?
Daniel Garijo: how do you "raise" an issue? ←
15:12:56 <GK> Isn't this what the tracker is for?
Graham Klyne: Isn't this what the tracker is for? ←
15:13:05 <luc> pgroth: discuss it by email, and formal process will follow, in telcon or through tracker
Paul Groth: discuss it by email, and formal process will follow, in telcon or through tracker ←
15:13:42 <luc> sandro: there is flexibility. In tracker: it's the 'create' option. Chairs can upgrade by opening.
Sandro Hawke: there is flexibility. In tracker: it's the 'create' option. Chairs can upgrade by opening. ←
15:14:03 <dgarijo> ok thx
Daniel Garijo: ok thx ←
15:14:08 <jcheney> Does creating an issue automatically generate an email?
James Cheney: Does creating an issue automatically generate an email? ←
15:14:16 <luc> pgroth: we can do it by email or by the tracker
Paul Groth: we can do it by email or by the tracker ←
15:14:36 <jcheney> OK
James Cheney: OK ←
15:14:44 <luc> sandro: yes it does, it makes a thread automatically. Email posted on initial creation.
Sandro Hawke: yes it does, it makes a thread automatically. Email posted on initial creation. ←
15:15:05 <luc> SubTopic: Scribe
Summary: Please volunteer to scribe
15:06:02 <luc> Summary: Please volunteer to scribe
15:15:24 <luc> pgroth: we need people to volunteer
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Paul Groth: we need people to volunteer ←
15:16:06 <luc> pgroth: let us know or update page http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Scribes
Paul Groth: let us know or update page http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Scribes ←
15:16:12 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceTaskForces
Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceTaskForces ←
15:16:17 <luc> Topic: Provenance Task Forces
Summary: The proposed structure and description of Provenance Task Forces were accepted.
<luc> Summary: The proposed structure and description of Provenance Task Forces were accepted.
15:17:22 <Zakim> -jorn
Zakim IRC Bot: -jorn ←
15:17:34 <luc> pgroth: we want to get your feedback: are TF descriptions suitable?
Paul Groth: we want to get your feedback: are TF descriptions suitable? ←
15:17:50 <jcheney> +q
James Cheney: +q ←
15:17:52 <Zakim> +??P30
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P30 ←
15:18:03 <jorn> zakim, ??P30 is me
Jorn Hees: zakim, ??P30 is me ←
15:18:03 <Zakim> +jorn; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jorn; got it ←
15:18:10 <luc> luc: this is an initial description, it will evolve over time probably
Luc Moreau: this is an initial description, it will evolve over time probably ←
15:18:14 <paolo> zakim, who is on the phone?
Paolo Missier: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:18:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo, olaf, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, ??P6, sandro, VinhNguyen, Yogesh, jcheney, +1.518.276.aahh,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, ??P17, paulo, SatyaSahoo, olaf, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, ??P6, sandro, VinhNguyen, Yogesh, jcheney, +1.518.276.aahh, ←
15:18:18 <Zakim> ... +1.518.633.aaii, +1.646.389.aajj, +1.518.276.aakk, YolandaGil, [IPcaller], jun, jorn
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.518.633.aaii, +1.646.389.aajj, +1.518.276.aakk, YolandaGil, [IPcaller], jun, jorn ←
15:18:29 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a] ←
15:18:33 <luc> jcheney: would be good to know who joins which TF?
James Cheney: would be good to know who joins which TF? ←
15:18:59 <LarsG> Zakim, please mute me
Lars G: Zakim, please mute me ←
15:18:59 <Zakim> LarsG should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: LarsG should now be muted ←
15:19:07 <luc> jcheney: minor issues to discuss, but shouldn't delay approval
James Cheney: minor issues to discuss, but shouldn't delay approval ←
15:19:12 <jcheney> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Talk:ProvenanceTaskForces
James Cheney: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Talk:ProvenanceTaskForces ←
15:19:55 <luc> jcheney: formal model vs formal semantics? what's the dividing line?
James Cheney: formal model vs formal semantics? what's the dividing line? ←
15:21:00 <GK> For the RDF work, the model and formal semantics were developed in parallel
Graham Klyne: For the RDF work, the model and formal semantics were developed in parallel ←
15:21:12 <luc> jcheney: formal or informal first?
James Cheney: formal or informal first? ←
15:21:43 <luc> jcheney: i wanted to bring this up for the record
James Cheney: i wanted to bring this up for the record ←
15:21:53 <luc> PROPOSED: to accept the structure of task forces
PROPOSED: to accept the structure of task forces ←
15:22:12 <satya> +1
Satya Sahoo: +1 ←
15:22:14 <jcheney> +1
James Cheney: +1 ←
15:22:15 <jorn> +1
Jorn Hees: +1 ←
15:22:16 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
15:22:17 <iker> +1
Iker Huerga: +1 ←
15:22:17 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
15:22:17 <pgroth> +1
Paul Groth: +1 ←
15:22:18 <JamesMyers> +1
James Myers: +1 ←
15:22:18 <paolo> +1
Paolo Missier: +1 ←
15:22:18 <dgarijo> +1
Daniel Garijo: +1 ←
15:22:19 <paulo> q+
15:22:21 <abdn_uk> +1
Edoardo Pignotti: +1 ←
15:22:22 <jun> +1
15:22:23 <frew> +1
James Frew: +1 ←
15:22:25 <olaf> +1
Olaf Hartig: +1 ←
15:22:26 <zednik> +1
Stephan Zednik: +1 ←
15:22:28 <jcheney> -q
James Cheney: -q ←
15:22:29 <Yogesh> +1
Yogesh Simmhan: +1 ←
15:22:29 <khalidbelhajjame> +1
Khalid Belhajjame: +1 ←
15:22:30 <luc> +1
+1 ←
15:22:56 <VinhNguyen> +1
Vinh Nguyen: +1 ←
15:22:59 <luc> paulo: I don't fully understand dependencies
Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: I don't fully understand dependencies ←
15:23:20 <luc> ... some things can be done in parallel, but other tasks difficult without model
... some things can be done in parallel, but other tasks difficult without model ←
15:23:27 <paolo> q+
Paolo Missier: q+ ←
15:24:26 <luc> paolo: implementation TF: is toolkit in scope of charter?
Paolo Missier: implementation TF: is toolkit in scope of charter? ←
15:24:27 <Zakim> +??P41
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P41 ←
15:24:39 <Zakim> -??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P6 ←
15:24:49 <luc> pgroth: it's for people in this TF to discuss
Paul Groth: it's for people in this TF to discuss ←
<luc>Scribe: pgroth
(Scribe set to Paul Groth)
15:25:18 <luc> ... in WG, we encourage people to implement the standard, we don't do it ourselves
Luc Moreau: ... in WG, we encourage people to implement the standard, we don't do it ourselves ←
15:25:50 <pgroth> luc: not the goal of the working group to directly implement the standard
Luc Moreau: not the goal of the working group to directly implement the standard ←
15:25:58 <satya> I think implementations/tools is also a requirement for the W3C recommendation process
Satya Sahoo: I think implementations/tools is also a requirement for the W3C recommendation process ←
15:26:16 <Zakim> +??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6 ←
15:26:26 <pgroth> luc: we want encourage the implementation of the standards
Luc Moreau: we want encourage the implementation of the standards ←
15:26:50 <pgroth> luc: initial tasks for each task force can be done in parallel
Luc Moreau: initial tasks for each task force can be done in parallel ←
15:26:53 <khalidbelhajjame> zakim, +??P6 is really me
Khalid Belhajjame: zakim, +??P6 is really me ←
15:26:53 <Zakim> sorry, khalidbelhajjame, I do not recognize a party named '+??P6'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, khalidbelhajjame, I do not recognize a party named '+??P6' ←
15:27:07 <pgroth> luc: we need to identify and manage dependencies betweens task forces
Luc Moreau: we need to identify and manage dependencies betweens task forces ←
15:27:43 <Zakim> + +1.860.995.aall
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.860.995.aall ←
15:27:45 <khalidbelhajjame> zakim, ??P6 is really me
Khalid Belhajjame: zakim, ??P6 is really me ←
15:27:45 <Zakim> +khalidbelhajjame; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +khalidbelhajjame; got it ←
<luc>Scribe: luc
(Scribe set to Luc Moreau)
15:28:00 <luc> paulo: this answers my question
Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: this answers my question ←
15:28:13 <luc> ACCEPTED: structure of task forces
RESOLVED: structure of task forces ←
15:28:28 <luc> Topic: Model Task Force
Summary: An approach to bootstrap the Model Task Force was discussed, in which we adopt an example, and iteratively discuss charter concepts, to build a common understanding. This approach was accepted. We left the discussion of the actual example and its presentation to the next teleconference.
<luc>Summary: An approach to bootstrap the Model Task Force was discussed, in which we adopt an example, and iteratively discuss charter concepts, to build a common understanding. This approach was accepted. We left the discussion of the actual example and its presentation to the next teleconference.
15:28:53 <luc> pgroth: by email, we outlined a way of bootstrapping activities of the Model Task Force
Paul Groth: by email, we outlined a way of bootstrapping activities of the Model Task Force ←
15:28:25 <pgroth> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Apr/0012.html
Paul Groth: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Apr/0012.html ←
15:28:59 <dgarijo> The initial scenario: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceExampleAndConcept1
Daniel Garijo: The initial scenario: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceExampleAndConcept1 ←
15:29:27 <luc> pgroth: an example, illustrating concepts of charter, and then raising issues for discussion
Paul Groth: an example, illustrating concepts of charter, and then raising issues for discussion ←
15:29:40 <paulo> q+
15:29:54 <paolo> q-
Paolo Missier: q- ←
15:30:07 <paolo> sorry that was dangling from earlier
Paolo Missier: sorry that was dangling from earlier ←
15:31:21 <luc> paulo: most interesting incubator discussions were about the concepts (in final report of incubator)
Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: most interesting incubator discussions were about the concepts (in final report of incubator) ←
15:31:46 <luc> paulo: reluctant to use mapping work for background of this group
Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: reluctant to use mapping work for background of this group ←
15:32:32 <dgarijo> isn't that the actual starting point?
Daniel Garijo: isn't that the actual starting point? ←
15:33:07 <Zakim> -jorn
Zakim IRC Bot: -jorn ←
15:33:26 <luc> sound quality is very poor for me
sound quality is very poor for me ←
15:33:41 <Zakim> +??P30
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P30 ←
15:33:48 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceExampleAndConcept1
Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceExampleAndConcept1 ←
15:33:49 <luc> paulo: we should start from concepts of the final report
Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: we should start from concepts of the final report ←
15:33:53 <jorn> zakim, ??P30 is me
Jorn Hees: zakim, ??P30 is me ←
15:33:53 <Zakim> +jorn; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jorn; got it ←
15:34:10 <jcheney> +q
James Cheney: +q ←
15:34:18 <luc> pgroth: that's exactly what is proposed, the example illustrates concepts from the charter
Paul Groth: that's exactly what is proposed, the example illustrates concepts from the charter ←
15:34:36 <luc> pgroth: i think we propose what you are suggesting
Paul Groth: i think we propose what you are suggesting ←
15:35:15 <luc> q- paulo
q- paulo ←
15:35:56 <luc> jcheney: we seem to bootstrap model task force with example
James Cheney: we seem to bootstrap model task force with example ←
15:36:03 <paulo> q+
15:36:08 <luc> q+
q+ ←
15:37:03 <GK> +1 to using test cases to isolate issues
Graham Klyne: +1 to using test cases to isolate issues ←
15:37:04 <luc> jcheney: when raising issues, we should give concrete examples of what we are trying to achieve
James Cheney: when raising issues, we should give concrete examples of what we are trying to achieve ←
15:37:07 <jcheney> q-
James Cheney: q- ←
15:37:09 <luc> q?
q? ←
<luc> Scribe: pgroth
(Scribe set to Paul Groth)
15:37:35 <pgroth> luc: in the discussion, now, there are lots of references to the work that incubator did
Luc Moreau: in the discussion, now, there are lots of references to the work that incubator did ←
15:37:49 <pgroth> luc: we should remember that half of the participants were not members of the incubator group
Luc Moreau: we should remember that half of the participants were not members of the incubator group ←
15:38:05 <pgroth> luc: we should begin discussions (similar to those we had in the incubator) around the concepts from the charter
Luc Moreau: we should begin discussions (similar to those we had in the incubator) around the concepts from the charter ←
15:38:28 <pgroth> luc: with this, we will bootstrap the model task force and we will educate the whole working group
Luc Moreau: with this, we will bootstrap the model task force and we will educate the whole working group ←
<luc> Scribe: luc
(Scribe set to Luc Moreau)
15:38:37 <luc> q-
q- ←
15:38:38 <paulo> q+
15:39:34 <luc> paulo: my only concern is to refer back to the mapping
Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: my only concern is to refer back to the mapping ←
15:40:01 <luc> paulo: we shouldn't consider the list of concepts final
Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: we shouldn't consider the list of concepts final ←
15:40:36 <luc> ... e.g. versioning was put there as a placeholder
... e.g. versioning was put there as a placeholder ←
15:41:16 <luc> pgroth: that's the approach
Paul Groth: that's the approach ←
15:41:41 <luc> I suggest we follow jcheney approach, to bring further examples which may indicate the need for further concepts
I suggest we follow jcheney approach, to bring further examples which may indicate the need for further concepts ←
15:42:28 <luc> PROPOSED: discuss charter concepts initially, based on a given example
PROPOSED: discuss charter concepts initially, based on a given example ←
15:42:46 <jcheney> Concretely, it would help a lot of someone could add an example showing how to handle http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceExampleAndConcept1 using PML.
James Cheney: Concretely, it would help a lot of someone could add an example showing how to handle http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceExampleAndConcept1 using PML. ←
15:43:30 <dgarijo> but why PML only and not OPM/Provenir/Provenance Vocabulary and others?
Daniel Garijo: but why PML only and not OPM/Provenir/Provenance Vocabulary and others? ←
15:43:38 <luc> pgroth: all discussions are public and in the open
Paul Groth: all discussions are public and in the open ←
15:44:00 <luc> ... any other comment about this proposal?
... any other comment about this proposal? ←
15:44:23 <dgarijo> +1
Daniel Garijo: +1 ←
15:44:24 <jcheney> certainly, having OPM/Provenir/Provenance Vocabulary examples would help even more!
James Cheney: certainly, having OPM/Provenir/Provenance Vocabulary examples would help even more! ←
15:44:25 <DavidC> +1
David Corsar: +1 ←
15:44:26 <frew> pls restate proposal concisely
James Frew: pls restate proposal concisely ←
15:44:57 <paulo> q+
15:45:14 <luc> PROPOSED: to accept the approach outlined in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Apr/0012.html
PROPOSED: to accept the approach outlined in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Apr/0012.html ←
15:45:50 <dgarijo> +q
Daniel Garijo: +q ←
15:46:28 <luc> paulo: we have languages, but we don't have semantics
Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: we have languages, but we don't have semantics ←
15:46:53 <paolo> q+
Paolo Missier: q+ ←
15:47:04 <jorn> +1
Jorn Hees: +1 ←
15:47:12 <luc> pgroth: proposal is to iterate through informal definitions, until we agree on an English definition
Paul Groth: proposal is to iterate through informal definitions, until we agree on an English definition ←
15:47:15 <JamesMyers> +1, I think the example is rich enough that it includes the concepts behind the differences in prior languages and adding issues/small point examples to capture anything missing will work
James Myers: +1, I think the example is rich enough that it includes the concepts behind the differences in prior languages and adding issues/small point examples to capture anything missing will work ←
15:47:59 <dgarijo> q-
Daniel Garijo: q- ←
15:48:07 <luc> pgroth: the proposal is about the process, not the concrete example
Paul Groth: the proposal is about the process, not the concrete example ←
15:48:40 <luc> paolo: people may be uncomfortable with the graph with strong opm flavor
Paolo Missier: people may be uncomfortable with the graph with strong opm flavor ←
15:48:47 <YolandaGil> q+
Yolanda Gil: q+ ←
15:48:50 <paolo> q-
Paolo Missier: q- ←
15:48:54 <Zakim> -jorn
Zakim IRC Bot: -jorn ←
15:49:02 <pgroth> ack paulo
Paul Groth: ack paulo ←
15:49:13 <luc> yolanda: we had lots of scenarios in the incubator
Yolanda Gil: we had lots of scenarios in the incubator ←
15:49:32 <luc> ... we selected concepts that were most relevant from these scenarios
... we selected concepts that were most relevant from these scenarios ←
15:49:32 <Zakim> +??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←
15:49:50 <jorn> zakim, ??P3 is me
Jorn Hees: zakim, ??P3 is me ←
15:49:50 <Zakim> +jorn; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jorn; got it ←
15:49:59 <luc> ... concern with example-based approach is that we could go to deep on some concepts and not pay attention to others
... concern with example-based approach is that we could go to deep on some concepts and not pay attention to others ←
15:50:25 <satya> q+
Satya Sahoo: q+ ←
15:50:33 <pgroth> ack YolandaGil
Paul Groth: ack YolandaGil ←
15:50:52 <luc> pgroth: by driving by an example, would we be too specific?
Paul Groth: by driving by an example, would we be too specific? ←
15:51:28 <luc> satya: we shouldn't use the graph, but the plain text descriptions, and add further concepts if required
Satya Sahoo: we shouldn't use the graph, but the plain text descriptions, and add further concepts if required ←
15:51:32 <satya> q-
Satya Sahoo: q- ←
15:52:15 <jcheney> q+
James Cheney: q+ ←
15:52:37 <luc> pgroth: remove the opm specific graph
Paul Groth: remove the opm specific graph ←
15:52:59 <paulo> q+
15:53:09 <luc> jcheney: use of other languages to describe the same scenario
James Cheney: use of other languages to describe the same scenario ←
15:53:27 <pgroth> ack jcheney
Paul Groth: ack jcheney ←
15:53:29 <jcheney> q-
James Cheney: q- ←
15:53:30 <pgroth> ack paulo
Paul Groth: ack paulo ←
15:53:34 <luc> ... would be good for comparison
... would be good for comparison ←
15:53:39 <frew> +1 what jcheney said
James Frew: +1 what jcheney said ←
15:54:08 <luc> paulo: issues are defined in opm terms
Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: issues are defined in opm terms ←
15:54:34 <luc> paulo: name of sections are OPM terms
Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: name of sections are OPM terms ←
15:54:57 <luc> paulo: meaning of the graph should be explained in plain english
Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: meaning of the graph should be explained in plain english ←
15:55:17 <luc> q+
q+ ←
15:56:08 <luc> paulo: what is the true scenario in this example?
Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: what is the true scenario in this example? ←
15:56:54 <luc> paulo: we should not have pre-defined views of the world
Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: we should not have pre-defined views of the world ←
15:57:27 <luc> paulo: we are already embracing terms with predefined meanings
Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: we are already embracing terms with predefined meanings ←
15:57:32 <paolo> (I will need to leave the building at the top of the hour, talk next week. I would appreciate getting on the list if possible!)
Paolo Missier: (I will need to leave the building at the top of the hour, talk next week. I would appreciate getting on the list if possible!) ←
15:57:37 <satya> I agree with Paulo - maybe we should start with the "Outline" and "Processing steps" in the example?
Satya Sahoo: I agree with Paulo - maybe we should start with the "Outline" and "Processing steps" in the example? ←
<luc>Scribe: luc
15:57:51 <pgroth> luc: we should go back to the agenda
Luc Moreau: we should go back to the agenda [ Scribe Assist by Paul Groth ] ←
15:57:59 <pgroth> luc: we are mixing two different discussions
Luc Moreau: we are mixing two different discussions [ Scribe Assist by Paul Groth ] ←
15:58:04 <pgroth> luc: we should agree (or not) on a process, which is
Luc Moreau: we should agree (or not) on a process, which is [ Scribe Assist by Paul Groth ] ←
15:58:09 <pgroth> ... example driven
Paul Groth: ... example driven ←
15:58:24 <pgroth> luc: which involves discussion of concepts of the charter
Luc Moreau: which involves discussion of concepts of the charter [ Scribe Assist by Paul Groth ] ←
15:58:49 <pgroth> luc: what we are discussing right now is the content of the example, not the process
Luc Moreau: what we are discussing right now is the content of the example, not the process [ Scribe Assist by Paul Groth ] ←
15:59:05 <pgroth> luc: to paulo, headings are terms from the charter,
Luc Moreau: to paulo, headings are terms from the charter, [ Scribe Assist by Paul Groth ] ←
15:59:12 <pgroth> ... these are not opm terms
Paul Groth: ... these are not opm terms ←
<luc>Scribe: pgroth
(Scribe set to Paul Groth)
<luc>pgroth: do we have support for the proposed process
Paul Groth: do we have support for the proposed process [ Scribe Assist by Luc Moreau ] ←
15:59:28 <satya> +1 for example driven process
Satya Sahoo: +1 for example driven process ←
15:59:41 <GK> +1 for example driver
Graham Klyne: +1 for example driver ←
15:59:51 <JamesMyers> +1 for process
James Myers: +1 for process ←
15:59:52 <ericstephan_> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
15:59:53 <dgarijo> +1 the example
Daniel Garijo: +1 the example ←
16:00:08 <paulo> +1 to be example-driven
Paulo Pinheiro da Silva: +1 to be example-driven ←
16:00:13 <Zakim> -GK
Zakim IRC Bot: -GK ←
16:00:14 <DavidC> +1 for example-driven approach
David Corsar: +1 for example-driven approach ←
16:00:14 <frew> +1 EDA
James Frew: +1 EDA ←
16:00:19 <jcheney> +1 for example-driven
James Cheney: +1 for example-driven ←
16:00:20 <Yogesh> +1
Yogesh Simmhan: +1 ←
16:00:21 <olaf> +1
Olaf Hartig: +1 ←
16:00:23 <jorn> +1 to example driven approache
Jorn Hees: +1 to example driven approache ←
16:00:23 <abdn_uk> +1 for example driven approach
Edoardo Pignotti: +1 for example driven approach ←
16:00:26 <LarsG> +1
Lars G: +1 ←
16:00:26 <khalidbelhajjame> +1 for example driven
Khalid Belhajjame: +1 for example driven ←
16:00:27 <Yogesh> +1 EDA
Yogesh Simmhan: +1 EDA ←
16:00:38 <zednik> +1 for EDA
Stephan Zednik: +1 for EDA ←
16:00:38 <jun> +1
16:00:42 <jcheney> (can the minutes make the proposal clear?)
James Cheney: (can the minutes make the proposal clear?) ←
16:01:03 <jcheney> +q
James Cheney: +q ←
<luc> luc: clarification requested here:
Luc Moreau: clarification requested here: [ Scribe Assist by Luc Moreau ] ←
<luc> Text added at minute-editing time, to clarify proposal
Luc Moreau: Text added at minute-editing time, to clarify proposal ←
<luc> Proposal extracted from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Apr/0012.html
Luc Moreau: Proposal extracted from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Apr/0012.html ←
<luc> 1. We work with an initial scenario
Luc Moreau: 1. We work with an initial scenario ←
<luc> 2. We list "provenance-related queries" which we would like to support in this scenario
Luc Moreau: 2. We list "provenance-related queries" which we would like to support in this scenario ←
<luc> 3. We then informally define concepts identified in the charter
Luc Moreau: 3. We then informally define concepts identified in the charter ←
<luc> 4. Over time, this will allow us to construct a vocabulary and a shared understanding, which we will then formalize in the provenance model
Luc Moreau: 4. Over time, this will allow us to construct a vocabulary and a shared understanding, which we will then formalize in the provenance model ←
16:01:17 <pgroth> ack luc
ack luc ←
16:01:20 <pgroth> ack jcheney
ack jcheney ←
16:01:44 <luc> ACCEPTED: example driven approach as a process
RESOLVED: example driven approach as a process ←
16:01:55 <jcheney> OK, good
James Cheney: OK, good ←
16:02:13 <Zakim> -YolandaGil
Zakim IRC Bot: -YolandaGil ←
16:02:17 <luc> q-
Luc Moreau: q- ←
16:02:25 <GK> q+ admin matter - to ask who is mailing list admin?
Graham Klyne: q+ admin matter - to ask who is mailing list admin? ←
16:02:33 <Zakim> - +1.518.276.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.518.276.aahh ←
16:02:35 <Zakim> -SatyaSahoo
Zakim IRC Bot: -SatyaSahoo ←
16:02:36 <Zakim> -Yogesh
Zakim IRC Bot: -Yogesh ←
16:02:36 <Zakim> -olaf
Zakim IRC Bot: -olaf ←
16:02:36 <Zakim> -khalidbelhajjame
Zakim IRC Bot: -khalidbelhajjame ←
16:02:37 <luc> pgroth: we'll end here but there is a lot to discuss on the example
Paul Groth: we'll end here but there is a lot to discuss on the example [ Scribe Assist by Luc Moreau ] ←
16:02:38 <Zakim> -dgarijo
Zakim IRC Bot: -dgarijo ←
16:02:38 <Zakim> - +1.509.375.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.509.375.aadd ←
16:02:39 <Zakim> -??P41
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P41 ←
16:02:42 <Zakim> -jun
Zakim IRC Bot: -jun ←
16:02:46 <Zakim> - +1.518.633.aaii
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.518.633.aaii ←
16:02:48 <Zakim> -VinhNguyen
Zakim IRC Bot: -VinhNguyen ←
16:02:50 <Zakim> -sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -sandro ←
16:02:52 <Zakim> -jcheney
Zakim IRC Bot: -jcheney ←
16:02:59 <Zakim> -paolo
Zakim IRC Bot: -paolo ←
16:03:01 <Zakim> - +1.518.276.aakk
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.518.276.aakk ←
16:03:04 <Zakim> - +1.646.389.aajj
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.646.389.aajj ←
16:03:26 <Zakim> -jorn
Zakim IRC Bot: -jorn ←
16:03:29 <Zakim> -LarsG
Zakim IRC Bot: -LarsG ←
16:03:35 <Zakim> -Jeff_Pan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Jeff_Pan ←
16:03:37 <Zakim> -pgroth
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgroth ←
16:03:39 <Zakim> -luc
Zakim IRC Bot: -luc ←
16:03:42 <GK> @sandro still here in IRC?
Graham Klyne: @sandro still here in IRC? ←
16:03:43 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←
16:03:59 <Zakim> - +1.860.995.aall
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.860.995.aall ←
16:04:17 <Zakim> -??P17
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P17 ←
16:04:54 <luc> rrsagent, set log public
Luc Moreau: rrsagent, set log public ←
16:05:06 <Zakim> -paulo
Zakim IRC Bot: -paulo ←
16:05:08 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(PROV)11:00AM has ended ←
16:05:09 <Zakim> Attendees were jorn, pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, paulo, SatyaSahoo, +49.302.093.aacc, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, sandro, olaf, +1.540.449.aaff, +1.646.389.aagg, jcheney,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were jorn, pgroth, luc, dgarijo, GK, paolo, paulo, SatyaSahoo, +49.302.093.aacc, +1.509.375.aadd, Jeff_Pan, sandro, olaf, +1.540.449.aaff, +1.646.389.aagg, jcheney, ←
16:05:13 <Zakim> ... Yogesh, +1.518.276.aahh, VinhNguyen, +1.518.633.aaii, +1.646.389.aajj, +1.518.276.aakk, [IPcaller], YolandaGil, jun, LarsG, +1.860.995.aall, khalidbelhajjame
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Yogesh, +1.518.276.aahh, VinhNguyen, +1.518.633.aaii, +1.646.389.aajj, +1.518.276.aakk, [IPcaller], YolandaGil, jun, LarsG, +1.860.995.aall, khalidbelhajjame ←
16:05:16 <luc> rrsagent, draft minutes
Luc Moreau: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:05:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/05-prov-minutes.html luc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/05-prov-minutes.html luc ←
16:05:31 <luc> trackbot, end telcon
Luc Moreau: trackbot, end telcon ←
16:05:31 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
16:05:31 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is ←
16:05:32 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
16:05:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/05-prov-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/05-prov-minutes.html trackbot ←
16:05:33 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
16:05:33 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
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This revision (#2) generated 2011-05-06 17:06:08 UTC by 'pgroth', comments: "Removed Simon Miles and Simon Dobson as they weren't at the telecon"