Provenance Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 28 April 2011

Agenda

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Apr/0008.html

Seen

Carl Reed, Daniel Garijo, David Corsar, Edoardo Pignotti, Eric Stephan, Iker Huerga, James Cheney, James Frew, Jim McCusker, Jorn Hees, Jun Zhao, Khalid Belhajjame, Lars G, Lena X, Luc Moreau, Olaf Hartig, Paul Groth, Paulo Pinheiro da Silva, Sam Coppens, Sandro Hawke, Satya Sahoo, Simon Dobson, Simon Miles, Stephan Zednik, Tim Lebo, Yogesh Simmhan, Yolanda Gil

Guests

Yolanda Gil, Jim McCusker, Simon Miles, Olaf Hartig, Satya Sahoo, Yogesh Simmhan, James Frew, Stephan Zednik, Simon Dobson, Tim Lebo, Jorn Hees, Khalid Belhajjame, Lars G, Edoardo Pignotti, Lena X, David Corsar

Chair

Luc Moreau

Scribe

Paul Groth, Luc Moreau

IRC Log

Original and Editable Wiki Version

Resolutions

1. Have F2F1 near Boston on July 6-7 link

Topics

1. Welcome

   Luc Moreau, Paul Groth and Sandro Hawke introduced themselves, and welcomed participants

2. Meeting schedules

   Weekly call on Thursdays at this time, and first face to face meeting on Jul 6-7 in Boston

3. WG tools

   W3C tools were introduced: for minute takings, wiki, and speaker queue.

4. Introductions

   Participants introduced themselves briefly. They are invited to send an extended introduction by email to the mailing list and update their entry on the Wiki.

5. Deliverable timetable

   Activities will be front loaded, with the first deliverable due after 6 months.

6. Provenance Task Forces

   Four task forces are proposed to structure the work of the Working Group

<sandro> Guest: Yolanda Gil

<sandro> Guest: Jim McCusker

<luc> Guest: Simon Miles

<luc> Guest: Olaf Hartig

<luc> Guest: Satya Sahoo

<luc> Guest: Yogesh Simmhan

<luc> Guest: James Frew

<luc> Guest: Stephan Zednik

<luc> Guest: Simon (Simoninireland) Dobson

<luc> Guest: Tim (rpi-lebo) Lebo

<luc> Guest: Jorn Hees

<luc> Guest: Khalid Belhajjame

<luc> Guest: Lars G

<luc> Guest: Edoardo (ed-uoa) Pignotti

<luc> Guest: Lena X

<sandro> Guest: David Corsar

14:52:03 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/04/28-prov-irc

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14:52:05 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

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14:52:07 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be ←

14:52:07 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot ←

14:52:08 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference

14:52:08 <trackbot> Date: 28 April 2011

14:52:48 <pgroth> Zakim, this will be PROV

Paul Groth: Zakim, this will be PROV ←

14:52:48 <Zakim> ok, pgroth; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, pgroth; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes ←

14:53:27 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started ←

14:53:35 <Zakim> + +44.238.059.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.238.059.aaaa ←

14:54:47 <Luc_> zakim, +44.238.059.aaaa is me

Luc Moreau: zakim, +44.238.059.aaaa is me ←

14:54:47 <Zakim> +Luc_; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Luc_; got it ←

14:55:21 <Zakim> +??P6

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6 ←

14:56:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←

14:56:34 <pgroth> Zakim, +[IPcaller] is me

Paul Groth: Zakim, +[IPcaller] is me ←

14:56:34 <Zakim> sorry, pgroth, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, pgroth, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]' ←

14:56:48 <Zakim> +??P10

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10 ←

14:56:53 <pgroth> Zakim, IPcaller is me

Paul Groth: Zakim, IPcaller is me ←

14:56:56 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pgroth; got it ←

14:57:21 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←

14:57:42 <Zakim> +??P3

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←

14:57:58 <pgroth> scribe: pgroth

(Scribe set to Paul Groth)

14:58:24 <Zakim> + +1.805.893.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.805.893.aabb ←

14:58:45 <Zakim> +??P19

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19 ←

14:59:01 <Zakim> -??P10

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P10 ←

14:59:09 <Zakim> +[ISI]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[ISI] ←

14:59:40 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aacc ←

14:59:41 <Zakim> + +1.216.368.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.216.368.aadd ←

14:59:45 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?

Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer? ←

14:59:45 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2011/04/28-prov-irc#T14-59-45

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2011/04/28-prov-irc#T14-59-45 ←

14:59:48 <Zakim> + +1.509.375.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.509.375.aaee ←

14:59:48 <sandro> trackbot, start

Sandro Hawke: trackbot, start ←

14:59:48 <trackbot> Sorry, sandro, I don't understand 'trackbot, start'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, sandro, I don't understand 'trackbot, start'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help ←

15:00:06 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?

Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer? ←

15:00:06 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2011/04/28-prov-irc#T15-00-06

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2011/04/28-prov-irc#T15-00-06 ←

15:00:06 <Zakim> +??P25

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25 ←

15:00:15 <DanielGarijo> Zakim, ??P19 is em

Daniel Garijo: Zakim, ??P19 is em ←

15:00:15 <Zakim> +em; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +em; got it ←

15:00:19 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←

15:00:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see Luc_, ??P6, pgroth, Sandro, ??P3, +1.805.893.aabb, em, [ISI], +1.518.276.aacc, +1.216.368.aadd, +1.509.375.aaee, ??P25

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Luc_, ??P6, pgroth, Sandro, ??P3, +1.805.893.aabb, em, [ISI], +1.518.276.aacc, +1.216.368.aadd, +1.509.375.aaee, ??P25 ←

15:00:24 <jcheney> Zakim, ??P25 isme

James Cheney: Zakim, ??P25 isme ←

15:00:27 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P25 isme', jcheney

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '??P25 isme', jcheney ←

15:00:27 <DanielGarijo> Zakim, ??P19 is me

Daniel Garijo: Zakim, ??P19 is me ←

15:00:27 <jcheney> Zakim, ??P25 is me

James Cheney: Zakim, ??P25 is me ←

15:00:28 <Zakim> I already had ??P19 as em, DanielGarijo

Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P19 as em, DanielGarijo ←

15:00:30 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jcheney; got it ←

15:00:33 <Zakim> +??P29

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P29 ←

15:00:33 <YolandaGil> Zakim, [ISI] is really me

Yolanda Gil: Zakim, [ISI] is really me ←

15:00:36 <Zakim> +??P27

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27 ←

15:00:44 <Zakim> + +49.302.093.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: + +49.302.093.aaff ←

15:00:51 <Zakim> +YolandaGil; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +YolandaGil; got it ←

15:00:54 <iker> zakim, who is on the chat?

Iker Huerga: zakim, who is on the chat? ←

15:01:09 <olaf> zakim, aaff is really me

Olaf Hartig: zakim, aaff is really me ←

15:01:11 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, iker.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, iker. ←

15:01:19 <jorn> Zakim, ??P29 is me

Jorn Hees: Zakim, ??P29 is me ←

15:01:20 <sandro> Zakim, who is here?

Sandro Hawke: Zakim, who is here? ←

15:01:24 <Satya> Zakim, +1.216.368.aadd is me

Satya Sahoo: Zakim, +1.216.368.aadd is me ←

15:01:26 <jun> zakim, p29 is jun

Jun Zhao: zakim, p29 is jun ←

15:01:30 <Zakim> +??P26

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26 ←

15:01:33 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking? ←

15:01:36 <Zakim> +olaf; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +olaf; got it ←

15:01:40 <Zakim> +??P30

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P30 ←

15:01:40 <jun> zakim, ??p29 is jun

Jun Zhao: zakim, ??p29 is jun ←

15:01:46 <Zakim> +jorn; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jorn; got it ←

15:01:49 <pgroth> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Apr/0008.html

15:01:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see Luc_, ??P6, pgroth, Sandro, ??P3, +1.805.893.aabb, em, YolandaGil, +1.518.276.aacc, +1.216.368.aadd, +1.509.375.aaee, jcheney, jorn, ??P27, olaf, ??P26, ??P30

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Luc_, ??P6, pgroth, Sandro, ??P3, +1.805.893.aabb, em, YolandaGil, +1.518.276.aacc, +1.216.368.aadd, +1.509.375.aaee, jcheney, jorn, ??P27, olaf, ??P26, ??P30 ←

15:01:57 <Zakim> +Satya; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Satya; got it ←

15:01:59 <Zakim> + +1.540.449.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.540.449.aagg ←

15:02:01 <Zakim> sorry, jun, I do not recognize a party named 'p29'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, jun, I do not recognize a party named 'p29' ←

15:02:06 <jun> zakim, +??p29 is jun

Jun Zhao: zakim, +??p29 is jun ←

15:02:13 <Zakim> + +1.518.633.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.633.aahh ←

15:02:17 <Zakim> I already had ??P29 as jorn, jun

Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P29 as jorn, jun ←

15:02:21 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (60%), Luc_ (25%), ??P26 (4%), olaf (38%), ??P30 (42%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (60%), Luc_ (25%), ??P26 (4%), olaf (38%), ??P30 (42%) ←

15:02:34 <jun> zakim, ??p26 is jun

Jun Zhao: zakim, ??p26 is jun ←

15:02:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see LarsG, frew, jun, jcheney, smiles, Satya, YolandaGil, JimMcCusker, rpi-lebo, olaf, Zakim, RRSAgent, Yogesh, DanielGarijo, iker, Luc_, pgroth, jorn, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see LarsG, frew, jun, jcheney, smiles, Satya, YolandaGil, JimMcCusker, rpi-lebo, olaf, Zakim, RRSAgent, Yogesh, DanielGarijo, iker, Luc_, pgroth, jorn, sandro, trackbot ←

15:02:41 <Zakim> + +1.937.708.aaii

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.937.708.aaii ←

15:02:49 <Zakim> sorry, jun, I do not recognize a party named '+??p29'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, jun, I do not recognize a party named '+??p29' ←

15:02:57 <Zakim> + +1.832.386.aajj

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.832.386.aajj ←

15:03:11 <Zakim> +jun; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jun; got it ←

15:03:22 <JimMcCusker> zakim, +1.518.276.aacc is me, rpi-lebo

Jim McCusker: zakim, +1.518.276.aacc is me, rpi-lebo ←

15:03:23 <Zakim> + +329331aakk

Zakim IRC Bot: + +329331aakk ←

15:03:24 <pgroth> Chair: Luc Moreau

15:03:43 <Zakim> I don't understand '+1.518.276.aacc is me, rpi-lebo', JimMcCusker

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '+1.518.276.aacc is me, rpi-lebo', JimMcCusker ←

15:03:57 <sandro> topic: Welcome

15:03:57 <Luc> Summary: Luc Moreau, Paul Groth and Sandro Hawke introduced themselves, and welcomed participants

15:04:08 <JimMcCusker> zakim, +1.518.276.aacc is JimMcCusker, rpi-lebo

15:04:17 <Zakim> I don't understand you, JimMcCusker

15:04:23 <Zakim> + +329331aall

15:04:35 <pgroth> sandro: introducing himself

15:04:57 <JimMcCusker> zakim, +1.518.276.aacc is JimMcCusker

15:04:57 <Zakim> +JimMcCusker; got it

15:05:02 <Zakim> + +1.915.603.aamm

15:05:02 <JimMcCusker> zakim, +1.518.276.aacc is rpi-lebo

15:05:05 <Zakim> sorry, JimMcCusker, I do not recognize a party named '+1.518.276.aacc'

15:05:11 <pgroth> luc: discussing membership

15:05:31 <SamCoppens> zakim, +329331aall is SamCoppens

15:05:31 <Zakim> +SamCoppens; got it

15:05:32 <pgroth> luc: 25 members as of now, invited experts decided by next week

15:05:33 <Zakim> - +1.540.449.aagg

15:05:45 <pgroth> luc: going over the agenda

15:05:53 <pgroth> Topic: Meeting schedules

15:05:53 <pgroth> Summary: Weekly call on Thursdays at this time, and first face to face meeting on Jul 6-7 in Boston

15:06:03 <Zakim> + +1.540.449.aann

15:06:07 <pgroth> luc: telecon times

15:06:24 <pgroth> luc: try for 60 minutes, but 90 minutes blocked

15:06:51 <pgroth> luc: F2F meetings

15:07:02 <pgroth> luc: initial charter said only one F2F meeting

15:07:11 <pgroth> luc: think that 2 a year are needed

15:07:36 <pgroth> luc: poll July 6-7 identified for the first meeting

15:07:46 <Zakim> +Jeff_Pan

15:07:46 <Zakim> -??P6

15:07:47 <pgroth> luc: slight preference for boston

15:07:57 <pgroth> +q

15:08:05 <sandro> q+

15:08:26 <pgroth> q-

15:09:03 <Luc_> q?

15:10:15 <sandro> sandro: f2f2 probably either at ISWC or TPAC

15:10:15 <smiles> Yes

15:10:16 <jcheney> Boston OK

15:10:17 <Satya> +1 for Boston

15:10:18 <rpi-lebo> boston meeting: good!

15:10:20 <jorn> -1 boston

15:10:25 <YolandaGil> I cannot make a meeting in July, sorry

15:10:25 <DanielGarijo> i won't be able to attend in July :(

15:10:26 <SamCoppens> +1 Boston

15:10:31 <iker> -1 boston

15:10:32 <sandro> PROPOSED: Have F2F1 near Boston on July 6-7

15:10:33 <JimMcCusker> +1 Boston

15:10:34 <Zakim> - +1.540.449.aann

15:10:37 <jun> I cannot make in July, sorry

15:10:43 <pgroth> +1

15:10:48 <Luc_> +1

15:10:50 <smiles> +1

15:10:50 <rpi-lebo> +1

15:10:50 <LarsG> I won't be able to attend neither Boston, nor Southampton

15:10:51 <jcheney> 0

15:10:58 <sandro> 0

15:11:05 <Lena> +1

15:11:06 <olaf> -1

15:11:23 <frew> +0 Boston

15:11:24 <Zakim> + +1.540.449.aaoo

15:11:30 <pgroth> paulo: +1

15:11:39 <pgroth> eric: +1

15:12:53 <Zakim> +??P43

15:13:00 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aapp

15:13:58 <sandro> iker: I'd rather it be in soton

15:14:15 <sandro> pgroth: would you ever be able to travel to the US, maybe in winter

15:14:26 <sandro> iker: yes, maybe later

15:14:40 <sandro> Luc: could you join by telecon, as a backup.

15:14:44 <sandro> iker: Yes

15:15:24 <sandro> olaf: i do not think I can go to the US (at any point), but can join by teleconference.

15:16:17 <Ed-UOA> Edoardo Pignotti and David Corsar from Aberdeen University, we are not sure we will be able to attend face-to-face meeting in Boston

15:16:48 <sandro> pgroth: sounds like consensus, lots of +1s, and the people who can't make it can join by teleconf.

15:16:50 <JimM> I've developed a conflict July 6-7 - may be able to dial in for bits

15:17:07 <sandro> Zakim, list attendees

15:17:07 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Luc_, pgroth, Sandro, +1.805.893.aabb, +1.509.375.aaee, em, jcheney, +49.302.093.aaff, YolandaGil, olaf, jorn, Satya, +1.540.449.aagg,

15:17:11 <Zakim> ... +1.518.633.aahh, +1.937.708.aaii, +1.832.386.aajj, jun, +329331aakk, LarsG, JimMcCusker, +1.915.603.aamm, SamCoppens, +1.540.449.aann, Jeff_Pan, +1.540.449.aaoo,

15:17:13 <Zakim> ... +1.518.276.aapp

15:18:14 <paulo> +1.915.603.aamm is paulo

15:18:16 <sandro> RESOLVED: Have F2F1 near Boston on July 6-7

15:18:27 <sandro> (with dialin available)

15:19:08 <sandro> sandro: Yes, I'll host it at MIT.

15:19:19 <pgroth> TOPIC: WG tools

<luc> Summary: W3C tools were introduced: for minute takings, wiki, and speaker queue.

15:20:07 <pgroth> +q

15:20:28 <Luc_> q?

15:20:37 <pgroth> sandro: introducing irc notes

15:20:43 <pgroth> sandro: all logs are public

15:21:23 <pgroth> sandro: mailing list, you are automatically joined when you join the working group

15:21:50 <pgroth> sandro: wiki, the same password as joining the working group

15:22:08 <Zakim> + +1.202.688.aaqq

15:22:32 <Zakim> +??P21

15:22:32 <pgroth> sandro: document preparation, will discuss later the various options

15:23:10 <sandro> q+

15:23:22 <sandro> q-

15:23:27 <pgroth> q-

15:23:44 <pgroth> sandro: discussing the speaker queue

15:24:07 <pgroth> q?

15:24:17 <olaf> http://www.w3.org/2002/01/UsingZakim

15:24:33 <olaf> http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot.html

15:24:35 <pgroth> \me thanks olaf

15:25:08 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

15:25:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see Luc_, pgroth, Sandro, ??P3, +1.805.893.aabb, em, YolandaGil, JimMcCusker, Satya, +1.509.375.aaee, jcheney, jorn, ??P27, olaf, jun, ??P30, +1.518.633.aahh, LarsG,

15:25:11 <Zakim> ... +1.832.386.aajj, +329331aakk, SamCoppens, +1.915.603.aamm, Jeff_Pan, +1.540.449.aaoo, ??P43, +1.518.276.aapp, +1.202.688.aaqq, ??P21

15:25:38 <JimM> JimM is 518-276

15:25:50 <sandro> Zakim, aapp is JimM

15:25:50 <Zakim> +JimM; got it

15:26:07 <stephanzednik> StephanZednik is on via skype

15:26:12 <Lena> Zakim, aajj is Lena

15:26:12 <Zakim> +Lena; got it

15:26:14 <simoninireland> I'm on a SIP connection

15:26:21 <stephanzednik> StephanZednik is also from RPI

15:26:38 <DanielGarijo> Zakim, em is DanielGarijo

15:26:38 <Zakim> +DanielGarijo; got it

15:26:59 <paulo> paulo is aamm

15:27:08 <rpi-lebo> Zakim, aacc is DeborahMcGuinness

15:27:08 <Zakim> sorry, rpi-lebo, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'

15:27:26 <Zakim> -??P43

15:27:54 <pgroth> TOPIC: Introductions

<luc> Summary: Participants introduced themselves briefly. They are invited to send an extended introduction by email to the mailing list and update their entry on the Wiki.

15:28:25 <Luc_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Apr/0001.html

15:28:50 <pgroth> luc: asking people to introduce themselves on the mailing list

15:29:10 <pgroth> luc: you can also edit your wiki page at the W3C

15:29:45 <pgroth> carl: Carl Reed, chief technology officer of the open geospatial consortium

15:30:02 <pgroth> carlOGC: provenance is a huge issue in geospatial info

<luc> carlOGC: The activities in a number of different working groups of the OGC

<luc> carlOGC: touch on requirements and issues related to provenance of geospatial data.

<luc> carlOGC: These include the Metadata WG, the Data Quality WG, the Workflow WG, the

<luc> carlOGC: Data Preservation WG, and the Decision Support WG.

15:30:36 <pgroth> thanks carl

15:30:55 <Zakim> - +1.540.449.aaoo

15:31:44 <pgroth> danielgarijo: phd student, involved in the provenance incubator group and the dublin core group

15:31:50 <Zakim> + +1.540.449.aarr

15:32:03 <Yogesh> zakim, +1.540.449.aarr is me

15:32:03 <Zakim> +Yogesh; got it

15:32:39 <pgroth> danielgarijo: interested in provenance for news and how this group integrates with dublin core

15:32:52 <pgroth> Ed-UOA: research fellow at University of Aberdeen

15:32:53 <iker> sorry, but i'm having problems with the sound, ask me and I will introduce through IRC

15:33:10 <pgroth> Ed-UOA: interested of provenance related to digital social research and linked open data

15:33:19 <Zakim> +??P52

15:33:35 <pgroth> David Corser: also from aberdeen,

15:33:43 <Zakim> -LarsG

15:34:15 <pgroth> frew: James Frew professor from UCSB, transparent acquisition of provenance and use in earth sciences

15:35:16 <iker> linkatu.net

15:35:19 <pgroth> iker: working on semantic web technologies, applying these technologies to health care and life sciences

15:36:02 <pgroth> jcheney: james cheney at University of Edinburgh, provenance and databases and integrating this research into larger applications. most likely to be involved in formal semantics

15:36:40 <pgroth> JimM: Jim Myers - supercomputing center at RPI, interested in provenance with respect to e-science

15:37:05 <pgroth> JimMcCusker: phd student at RPI, biomedical domain, integrating domain specific provenance models

15:37:37 <pgroth> jorn: Jorn Hees phd student at DFKI, interested in provenance related to linked data, and licensing issues

15:38:21 <pgroth> jun: postdoctoral fellow at Oxford, working on provenance for 8 years in the areas of e-science, life science, data quality on the web. take a pragmatic approach to provenance

15:38:50 <jorn> s/Jorn/J?rn/

15:39:11 <pgroth> khalidbelhajjame: researcher at the university of manchester, interested in the use of provenance, applications of provenance

15:39:44 <pgroth> LarsG: from german national library, provenance with respect to library and provenance data

15:40:41 <pgroth> Lena: Helena Deus, postdoctoral fellow at deri, from a biology background, also part of the HCLS working group

15:41:31 <pgroth> olaf: Olaf Harting phd student at Humbolt University, main research topic is execution of queries over the Web of Data, provenance is a critical part of assessing trust

15:42:10 <olaf> s/Harting/Hartig

15:42:19 <pgroth> paulo: professor at University of El Paso, help scientists to benefit provenance especially related to human systems

15:42:50 <pgroth> rpi-lebo: phd student at RPI looking at provenance from aggregated government data sources

15:43:24 <pgroth> SamCoppens: focused on long term preservation, research at IBBT

15:43:49 <pgroth> Satya: assistant professor at case western,

15:44:39 <pgroth> simoninireland: simon dibson, professor at st. andrews in scotland, interested in sensor networks, making sure that information is correctly processed

15:45:01 <simoninireland> s/dibson/dobson/g

15:45:16 <pgroth> smiles: Simon Miles - lecturer at Kings College, looking at provenance with respect to health care

15:45:35 <pgroth> yogesh: looking at provenance from streaming data, at USC

15:47:36 <pgroth> YolandaGil: at USC/ISI, interested in how you make trust judgements based on provenance, capturing data provenance for scientific workflows (a number of domains), integrating this work with scientific articles. Chaired the provenance incubator group. Interested in connections to the W3C hcls group

15:48:08 <pgroth> zednik: Stefan Zednik researcher at RPI, explaining processing based on provenance

15:48:09 <JimMcCusker> Cynthia Chang (RPI) is not on IRC but on the call

15:48:31 <Satya> Satya: interested in e-science, biomedical informatics with focus on translational research, involved in provenance representation and query performance

15:48:56 <pgroth> Erik Stefan: from Pacific Northwest National Labratory, using provenance for science especially at large scales

15:49:11 <Zakim> -Yogesh

15:49:29 <Zakim> +Yogesh

15:49:37 <pgroth> Sandro: staff contact, involved in a number of working groups, is very interested in interchange of data

15:50:08 <pgroth> TOPIC: Deliverable timetable

<luc> Summary: Activities will be front loaded, with the first deliverable due after 6 months.

15:50:15 <jorn> http://www.w3.org/2011/01/prov-wg-charter.html

15:50:16 <zednik> s/Stefan/Stephan

15:50:23 <pgroth> luc: not going to go through the whole charter

15:51:01 <pgroth> luc: the first working draft after 6 months

15:51:17 <pgroth> luc: after 9 months mechanisms to access/query provenance

15:51:33 <pgroth> luc: very close succession of deliverables

15:51:46 <pgroth> luc: reason is because of the W3C approval process

15:52:09 <pgroth> luc: aware that there is a lot of work towards the beginning of the working group activity

15:52:26 <pgroth> luc: questions about the timetable?

15:52:31 <Luc_> q?

15:52:59 <Luc_> Scribe: Luc_

15:52:59 <Luc_> Topic: Provenance Task Forces

15:52:59 <Luc_> Summary: Four task forces are proposed to structure the work of the Working Group

15:53:24 <Luc_> pgroth: organize work in 4 task forces

15:53:38 <Luc_> ... introduction, and then see who is interested in what

15:53:59 <Luc_> ... 1. model task force

15:54:12 <Luc_> ... 2. provenance access and query task force

15:54:28 <Luc_> ... 3. Connection task force

15:54:42 <Luc_> ... how to reach to other communities

15:55:14 <Luc_> ... 4. Implementation and test cases task force

15:55:47 <Luc_> ... need two implementations, how do we know we've got it right? (test cases)

15:55:58 <Luc_> ... People can be part of many task forces

15:56:05 <Luc_> questions?

15:56:18 <DanielGarijo> +q

15:56:39 <Luc_> DanielGarijo: how are task forces going to communicate?

15:57:11 <Luc_> pgroth: all communications on same mailing list, same wiki, same weekly teleconference

15:57:22 <jun> q+

15:57:22 <Luc_> q-

15:57:32 <DanielGarijo> -q

15:57:35 <DanielGarijo> q-

15:57:39 <jun> q-

15:57:42 <Luc_> Jun: are task forces going to run in parallel?

15:57:57 <Luc_> pgroth: yes

15:58:20 <Luc_> ... they will work on different things

15:58:26 <jcheney> +q

15:58:26 <paulo> q+

15:59:09 <Luc_> jcheney: there is a lot of work that was compiled in the incubator, we should put a link to that

15:59:27 <Luc_> jcheney: we need more concrete things to do

15:59:39 <Luc_> jcheney: making sure that everybody is on the same page

15:59:51 <jorn> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/XGR-prov-20101214/ ?

16:00:17 <Luc_> ACTION: pgroth to make link to incubator group work

16:00:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1 - Make link to incubator group work [on Paul Groth - due 2011-05-05].

16:00:19 <jcheney> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/

16:00:46 <Luc_> Paulo: how can we work in parallel without having a model yet?

16:01:03 <Zakim> - +1.202.688.aaqq

16:01:04 <Luc_> ... do we have full agreement on terms?

16:01:08 <JimMcCusker> q+

16:01:12 <jcheney> q-

16:01:24 <Luc_> Paul Groth: that's the work of the model task force

16:01:33 <DanielGarijo> didn't we compile a set of terms to "start with" for the model force?

16:01:34 <Luc_> ... we want to get this discussion going asap

16:02:04 <Luc_> q?

16:02:09 <Zakim> - +329331aakk

16:02:12 <Luc_> q-

16:02:15 <Luc_> q?

16:02:58 <Luc_> Paulo: start model TF first, others after

16:03:06 <DanielGarijo> +1

16:03:17 <Luc_> pgroth: reaching out to other communities can also start immediately

16:03:28 <Luc_> Paulo: great if we can enumerate things that can go in parallel

16:03:36 <Satya> q+

16:03:42 <Luc_> q?

16:03:43 <DanielGarijo> ack paulo

16:04:07 <Satya> q-

16:04:09 <Luc_> Satya: breakdown in tasks would also be desirable

16:04:39 <Luc_> Jim McCusker: start with a base vocabulary, which is not model, but can help express queries

16:04:40 <smiles> q+

16:05:29 <Luc_> smiles: have you mapped deliverables to TF?

16:05:49 <Luc_> pgroth: fairly direct mapping, but not final yet

16:06:37 <Luc_> pgroth: can you indicate (non binding) what you are interest in?

16:06:43 <pgroth> 1. Model Task Force

16:06:43 <JimMcCusker> -q

16:06:44 <Satya> +1

16:06:46 <zednik> +1

16:06:47 <JimM> +1

16:06:47 <jcheney> +1

16:06:48 <JimMcCusker> q-

16:06:48 <simoninireland> +1

16:06:49 <Luc_> +1

16:06:49 <DanielGarijo> +1

16:06:50 <jorn> +1

16:06:51 <JimMcCusker> +1

16:06:53 <CarlOGC> +1

16:06:59 <rpi-lebo> 0

16:07:05 <Ed-UOA> +1

16:07:12 <pgroth> Access Task Force

16:07:16 <SamCoppens> +1

16:07:16 <olaf> +1

16:07:17 <frew> +1

16:07:18 <DanielGarijo> +1

16:07:20 <Satya> +1

16:07:22 <khalidbelhajjame> +1

16:07:23 <jun> +1

16:07:23 <Yogesh> +1

16:07:24 <jorn> +1

16:07:25 <Lena> +1

16:07:26 <rpi-lebo> +1

16:07:27 <zednik> +1

16:07:33 <iker> +1

16:07:42 <pgroth> Connection Task Force

16:07:51 <YolandaGil> +1

16:07:52 <Satya> 0

16:07:55 <smiles> +1

16:07:55 <pgroth> eric +1

16:07:59 <Luc_> EricStephan: +1

16:08:02 <paulo> +1

16:08:18 <paulo> +1 (for model)

16:08:21 <pgroth> Implementation and Test Case Task Force

16:08:26 <frew> +1

16:08:27 <zednik> +1

16:08:27 <Yogesh> +1

16:08:28 <Lena> +1

16:08:28 <rpi-lebo> +1

16:08:29 <smiles> +1

16:08:29 <simoninireland> +1

16:08:30 <jun> +1

16:08:31 <Ed-UOA> +1

16:08:31 <iker> +1

16:08:32 <jcheney> +1

16:08:36 <SamCoppens> +1

16:08:53 <Luc_> pgroth: looks fairly evenly spread

16:09:02 <Luc_> q+

16:09:38 <Luc_> Action: Luc_ to define task forces on wiki

16:09:38 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Luc_

16:10:11 <Luc_> Action: Luc to define task forces on wiki

16:10:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2 - Define task forces on wiki [on Luc Moreau - due 2011-05-05].

16:10:14 <CarlOGC> quit

16:10:18 <pgroth> trackbot, end meeting

16:10:18 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

16:10:19 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

16:10:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/28-prov-minutes.html trackbot

16:10:20 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

16:10:20 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/04/28-prov-actions.rdf :

16:10:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: pgroth to make link to incubator group work [1]

16:10:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/04/28-prov-irc#T16-00-17

16:10:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Luc_ to define task forces on wiki [2]

16:10:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/04/28-prov-irc#T16-09-38

16:10:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Luc to define task forces on wiki [3]

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