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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 26 November 2012

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Andrei Sambra, Arnaud Le Hors, Ashok Malhotra, Bart van Leeuwen, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Erik Wilde, Henry Story, Kevin Page, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, Olivier Berger, Ruben Verborgh, Sandro Hawke, Serena Villata, Steve Battle, Steve Speicher, Ted Thibodeau, Yves Lafon
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Eric Prud'hommeaux, Steve Battle
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Resolutions
  1. Minutes of 19 November 2012 approved link
  2. Mark issue-7 as pending review link
  3. Close issue-31: agreed link
  4. Close issue-29: it's a best practice covered in the deployment guide and examples in the LDP spec link
  5. Mark Issue-2 and Issue-3 as pending review, we'll look at it with Andy next week link
Topics
14:59:14 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-irc

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14:59:16 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

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14:59:18 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be LDP

14:59:18 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started

14:59:19 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:59:19 <trackbot> Date: 26 November 2012
14:59:29 <dret> that's a good explanation for the silence!

Erik Wilde: that's a good explanation for the silence!

14:59:41 <Arnaud> :)

Arnaud Le Hors: :)

14:59:43 <Zakim> +??P2

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2

14:59:48 <Zakim> +??P3

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3

14:59:52 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P3 is me

Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ??P3 is me

14:59:54 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

15:00:00 <Zakim> + +44.754.550.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.754.550.aaaa

15:00:09 <Zakim> +[IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM]

15:00:18 <SteveS> Zakim, [IBM] is me

Steve Speicher: Zakim, [IBM] is me

15:00:18 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it

15:00:20 <Zakim> +Ruben

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ruben

15:00:22 <Zakim> +Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud

15:00:26 <Zakim> +??P5

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5

15:00:33 <deiu> Zakim, ??P5 is me

Andrei Sambra: Zakim, ??P5 is me

15:00:33 <Zakim> +deiu; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +deiu; got it

15:00:40 <deiu> Zakim, mute me please

Andrei Sambra: Zakim, mute me please

15:00:40 <Zakim> deiu should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: deiu should now be muted

15:00:48 <Ruben> zakim, mute me

Ruben Verborgh: zakim, mute me

15:00:48 <Zakim> Ruben should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ruben should now be muted

15:01:05 <SteveBattle> zakim, who is on the call

Steve Battle: zakim, who is on the call

15:01:05 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the call', SteveBattle

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the call', SteveBattle

15:01:18 <SteveBattle> zakim, who is on the phone

Steve Battle: zakim, who is on the phone

15:01:18 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', SteveBattle

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', SteveBattle

15:01:34 <AshokMalhotra> Steve, needs a ? at the end

Ashok Malhotra: Steve, needs a ? at the end

15:01:44 <SteveBattle> ta

Steve Battle: ta

15:01:51 <Arnaud> zakim, who is there?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who is there?

15:01:51 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Arnaud.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, Arnaud.

15:01:52 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software

15:01:56 <SteveBattle> zakim, who is on the phone?

Steve Battle: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:01:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see dret, ??P2, BartvanLeeuwen, +44.754.550.aaaa, SteveS, Ruben (muted), Arnaud, deiu (muted), OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see dret, ??P2, BartvanLeeuwen, +44.754.550.aaaa, SteveS, Ruben (muted), Arnaud, deiu (muted), OpenLink_Software

15:02:06 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

15:02:06 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it

15:02:07 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:02:07 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

15:02:11 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra

15:02:12 <SteveBattle> zakim, aaaa is me

Steve Battle: zakim, aaaa is me

15:02:12 <Zakim> +SteveBattle; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveBattle; got it

15:02:19 <Zakim> +EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP

15:03:46 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute

15:03:46 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmute', MacTed

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'unmute', MacTed

15:03:48 <Zakim> +Yves

Zakim IRC Bot: +Yves

15:03:48 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

15:03:49 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted

15:04:07 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:04:08 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

15:04:47 <dret> zakim, who is on the phone?

Erik Wilde: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:04:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see dret, ??P2, BartvanLeeuwen, SteveBattle, SteveS, Ruben (muted), Arnaud, deiu (muted), MacTed (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, EricP, Yves

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see dret, ??P2, BartvanLeeuwen, SteveBattle, SteveS, Ruben (muted), Arnaud, deiu (muted), MacTed (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, EricP, Yves

15:04:51 <SteveBattle> topic: Minutes from last week

1. Minutes from last week

15:04:54 <Zakim> -??P2

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P2

15:05:03 <SteveS> have read and look good

Steve Speicher: have read and look good

15:05:16 <SteveBattle> I have read them

Steve Battle: I have read them

15:05:18 <dret> they look good!

Erik Wilde: they look good!

15:05:34 <SteveBattle> RESOLVED: Minutes of 19 November 2012 approved

RESOLVED: Minutes of 19 November 2012 approved

15:05:48 <Zakim> +??P24

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P24

15:06:00 <SteveBattle> topic: Actions and Issues

2. Actions and Issues

15:06:25 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P24 is me

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, ??P24 is me

15:06:25 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +nmihindu; got it

15:06:59 <ericP> scribenick: ericP

(Scribe set to Eric Prud'hommeaux)

15:07:06 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's noisy?

15:07:16 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Arnaud (4%), Ashok_Malhotra (5%), nmihindu (45%)

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Arnaud (4%), Ashok_Malhotra (5%), nmihindu (45%)

<SteveBattle> subtopic: Actions

2.1. Actions

<SteveBattle> Arnaud: we have no actions pending review

Arnaud Le Hors: we have no actions pending review [ Scribe Assist by Steve Battle ]

<SteveBattle> ... anyone wants to declare victory on one of the open actions?

Steve Battle: ... anyone wants to declare victory on one of the open actions?

<SteveBattle> ... hearing none, let's move to raised issues

Steve Battle: ... hearing none, let's move to raised issues

<SteveBattle> subtopic: Issues

2.2. Issues

15:07:22 <deiu> issue-40?

Andrei Sambra: ISSUE-40?

15:07:22 <trackbot> ISSUE-40 -- creating/deleting/changing non RDF resources -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-40 -- creating/deleting/changing non RDF resources -- raised

15:07:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/40

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/40

15:07:39 <ericP> Arnaud: issue-40 is against the UC&R (not the spec)

Arnaud Le Hors: ISSUE-40 is against the UC&R (not the spec)

15:07:50 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, mute me

15:07:50 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: nmihindu should now be muted

15:07:51 <ericP> ... but we have a similar story so not sure what's new

... but we have a similar story so not sure what's new

15:07:52 <Zakim> +??P26

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26

15:07:54 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

15:07:54 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted

15:08:03 <oberger> Zakim, ??P26 is me

Olivier Berger: Zakim, ??P26 is me

15:08:03 <Zakim> +oberger; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +oberger; got it

15:08:08 <oberger> Zakim, mute me

Olivier Berger: Zakim, mute me

15:08:08 <Zakim> oberger should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: oberger should now be muted

15:08:14 <ericP> SteveBattle: agreed. not sure what to do about it

Steve Battle: agreed. not sure what to do about it

15:08:25 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 to wait for henry

Bart van Leeuwen: +1 to wait for henry

15:08:36 <Zakim> +??P27

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27

15:08:41 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:08:41 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

15:08:45 <ericP> ... we don't have a story about sharing binary resources

... we don't have a story about sharing binary resources

15:08:56 <krp> zakim, ??P27 is me

Kevin Page: zakim, ??P27 is me

15:08:56 <Zakim> +krp; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it

15:08:57 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: a new issue-40 was raised about sharing binary resources

Arnaud Le Hors: a new ISSUE-40 was raised about sharing binary resources [ Scribe Assist by Steve Battle ]

15:08:58 <ericP> [ tabled 'till Henry is around ]

[ tabled 'till Henry is around ]

15:09:10 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

15:09:11 <ericP> scribenick: SteveBattle

(Scribe set to Steve Battle)

<SteveBattle> Arnaud: what about issue-7, can we close it?

Arnaud Le Hors: what about ISSUE-7, can we close it?

<SteveBattle> ... reading the email thread I'm not sure

... reading the email thread I'm not sure

15:10:45 <SteveBattle> RESOLVED: close issue-7 as pending review

RESOLVED: Mark ISSUE-7 as pending review

15:11:05 <SteveBattle> s/close/Mark/
15:11:36 <deiu> q+

Andrei Sambra: q+

15:16:43 <SteveBattle> topic: Test Suite and Validation

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3. Test Suite and Validation

15:11:43 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: Today is the deadline for suggesting test-suite / testing framework proposals

Arnaud Le Hors: Today is the deadline for suggesting test-suite / testing framework proposals

15:11:54 <deiu> ack deiu

Andrei Sambra: ack deiu

15:11:55 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

15:12:04 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: Not much has been contributed so far

Arnaud Le Hors: Not much has been contributed so far

<SteveBattle> ... not sure whether this means people have no suggestions or didn't have the time to respond

... not sure whether this means people have no suggestions or didn't have the time to respond

15:12:08 <deiu> Zakim, mute me

Andrei Sambra: Zakim, mute me

15:12:08 <Zakim> deiu should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: deiu should now be muted

15:12:12 <deiu> I'll write

Andrei Sambra: I'll write

15:12:33 <deiu> My point is that we've not decided on the model

Andrei Sambra: My point is that we've not decided on the model

15:12:55 <deiu> it's difficult to try and propose a test suite if we don't know what exactly to test for

Andrei Sambra: it's difficult to try and propose a test suite if we don't know what exactly to test for

15:12:59 <deiu> (other than existing stuff from the spec)

Andrei Sambra: (other than existing stuff from the spec)

15:13:18 <dret> ISSUE-37 seems to be holding up quite a number of things

Erik Wilde: ISSUE-37 seems to be holding up quite a number of things

15:13:19 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: We need suggestions/ideas about frameworks for testing

Arnaud Le Hors: We need suggestions/ideas about frameworks for testing

15:13:52 <deiu> Yeah, he's got about two tests working so far

Andrei Sambra: Yeah, he's got about two tests working so far

15:13:59 <deiu> We've been collaborating on that matter

Andrei Sambra: We've been collaborating on that matter

15:14:07 <bblfish> hi

Henry Story: hi

15:14:08 <deiu> (Alexander)

Andrei Sambra: (Alexander)

15:14:41 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: We do have >1 proposal. Maybe we have enough to be getting on with?

Arnaud Le Hors: We do have >1 proposal. Maybe we have enough to be getting on with?

15:14:46 <SteveBattle> q+

q+

15:15:17 <Arnaud> ack steveb

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steveb

15:15:20 <SteveBattle> stevebattle: Can we have until end of play today to make additional suggestions?

Steve Battle: Can we have until end of play today to make additional suggestions?

15:15:35 <SteveBattle> q+

q+

15:15:45 <Zakim> +??P30

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P30

15:15:46 <Arnaud> ack steveb

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steveb

15:16:08 <svillata> Zakim, ??P30 is me

Serena Villata: Zakim, ??P30 is me

15:16:08 <Zakim> +svillata; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +svillata; got it

15:16:27 <bblfish> thanks deiu

Henry Story: thanks deiu

15:17:19 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: Ok, you have until end of today to contribute ideas.

Arnaud Le Hors: Ok, you have until end of today to contribute ideas.

<SteveBattle> ... after that we will make a decision based on what's been proposed.

... after that we will make a decision based on what's been proposed.

15:17:28 <SteveBattle> topic: Use Cases and Requirements

4. Use Cases and Requirements

15:17:49 <ericP> SteveBattle: SteveS and I had an editorial meeting last week

Steve Battle: SteveS and I had an editorial meeting last week [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ]

15:18:01 <ericP> ... added a timetable at the beginning

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... added a timetable at the beginning

15:18:10 <ericP> ... we asked folks last week to review the user stories

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... we asked folks last week to review the user stories

15:18:49 <ericP> ... we moved out the RESTful Interactions "user story" as it was more architectural

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... we moved out the RESTful Interactions "user story" as it was more architectural

15:19:06 <ericP> ... the section on sharing binary resources and metadata needs the most work

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... the section on sharing binary resources and metadata needs the most work

15:19:24 <ericP> ... will send a request from that use case's advocate after the call

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... will send a request from that use case's advocate after the call

15:19:42 <ericP> ... we asked folks to directly edit user stories. saw some edits

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... we asked folks to directly edit user stories. saw some edits

15:20:03 <ericP> ... we still need eyes on these user stories and editorial work to get them to look similar

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... we still need eyes on these user stories and editorial work to get them to look similar

15:20:09 <ericP> ... otherwise they get deleted

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... otherwise they get deleted

15:20:30 <ericP> ... hoping to get to FPWD this year

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... hoping to get to FPWD this year

15:20:38 <bblfish> q+ has that changed now? We no longer need to issue a ticket to change user stories?

Henry Story: q+ has that changed now? We no longer need to issue a ticket to change user stories?

15:20:51 <ericP> SteveS: waiting for answer on publishing moritorium for end of year

Steve Speicher: waiting for answer on publishing moritorium for end of year [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ]

15:21:06 <ericP> sandro: off the top of my head, i think it's the last two weeks

Sandro Hawke: off the top of my head, i think it's the last two weeks [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ]

15:21:19 <ericP> SteveBattle: ericP owes editorial text

Steve Battle: ericP owes editorial text [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ]

15:21:21 <ericP> ericP: roger that

Eric Prud'hommeaux: roger that [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ]

15:22:01 <ericP> Arnaud: so we're waiting from some editorial work from advocates, hoping for review in one week

Arnaud Le Hors: so we're waiting from some editorial work from advocates, hoping for review in one week [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ]

15:22:25 <ericP> ... seems optimistic that we can get reviews and responses by the 17th

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... seems optimistic that we can get reviews and responses by the 17th

15:22:43 <SteveBattle> I'll take the wheel

I'll take the wheel

15:23:11 <bblfish> q+ to has dealing with user stories changed now? We no longer need to issue a ticket to change user stories? We just edit the wiki?

Henry Story: q+ to has dealing with user stories changed now? We no longer need to issue a ticket to change user stories? We just edit the wiki?

15:24:45 <bblfish> my question was: has dealing with user stories changed now? We no longer need to issue a ticket to change user stories? We just edit the wiki?

Henry Story: my question was: has dealing with user stories changed now? We no longer need to issue a ticket to change user stories? We just edit the wiki?

15:25:06 <Arnaud> bblfish, no, for new stories you still need to submit issues, otherwise coordinate with editors

Arnaud Le Hors: bblfish, no, for new stories you still need to submit issues, otherwise coordinate with editors

15:25:13 <bblfish> ok

Henry Story: ok

15:25:19 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

15:25:19 <Zakim> bblfish, you wanted to has dealing with user stories changed now? We no longer need to issue a ticket to change user stories? We just edit the wiki?

Zakim IRC Bot: bblfish, you wanted to has dealing with user stories changed now? We no longer need to issue a ticket to change user stories? We just edit the wiki?

15:22:52 <SteveBattle> topic: LDP Specification

5. LDP Specification

15:23:24 <SteveBattle> steveS: Working to track editorial suggestions by David Wood

Steve Speicher: Working to track editorial suggestions by David Wood

15:23:31 <SteveBattle> topic: Issues

6. Issues

15:23:56 <ericP> subtopic: Issue-37

6.1. ISSUE-37

15:23:57 <deiu> issue-37?

Andrei Sambra: ISSUE-37?

15:23:57 <trackbot> ISSUE-37 -- What is the LDP data model and the LDP interaction model? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-37 -- What is the LDP data model and the LDP interaction model? -- open

15:23:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/37

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/37

15:24:07 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

15:24:16 <SteveBattle> Talking about ISSUE-37

Talking about ISSUE-37

15:25:20 <SteveBattle> We need the editors to suggest a way forward on this

We need the editors to suggest a way forward on this

15:25:21 <bblfish> thanks

Henry Story: thanks

15:26:02 <SteveBattle> SteveS: Will take this as an action

Steve Speicher: Will take this as an action

15:26:12 <Zakim> +??P34

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34

15:26:21 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P34 is me

Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ??P34 is me

15:26:21 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

15:27:34 <SteveBattle> bblfish:We need more discussion about the model. My plan is to take this outline and consolidate what we have on the wiki.

Henry Story: We need more discussion about the model. My plan is to take this outline and consolidate what we have on the wiki.

15:28:10 <SteveBattle> bblfish: Shall I create a wiki page?

Erik Wilde: Shall I create a wiki page?

15:28:25 <Zakim> +??P34

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34

15:28:28 <Arnaud> s/bblfish/dret/
15:28:28 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P34 is me

Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ??P34 is me

15:28:28 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

15:28:33 <bblfish> ah?

Henry Story: ah?

15:28:42 <AshokMalhotra> Henry, please create the wiki page

Ashok Malhotra: dret, please create the wiki page

15:29:11 <SteveBattle> bblfish: OK, I'll do that, and when it is stable we'll discuss how to move that into the spec.

Erik Wilde: OK, I'll do that, and when it is stable we'll discuss how to move that into the spec.

15:29:12 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

15:29:22 <dret> s/bblfish/dret/
15:29:40 <bblfish>  SteveBattle: I think you mean dret, not me :-)

Henry Story: SteveBattle: I think you mean dret, not me :-)

15:30:02 <SteveBattle> Sorry - didn't recognise the voice :(

Sorry - didn't recognise the voice :(

15:30:25 <MacTed> s/Henry,/dret,/
15:30:31 <bblfish>  SteveBattle: I am on train with low connectivity

Henry Story: SteveBattle: I am on train with low connectivity

<SteveBattle> Subtopic: Issue-31

6.2. ISSUE-31

15:31:14 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: Issue-31: Does anybody disagree that we need a conformance section?

Arnaud Le Hors: ISSUE-31: Does anybody disagree that we need a conformance section?

15:31:28 <bblfish> Issue-31?

Henry Story: ISSUE-31?

15:31:28 <trackbot> ISSUE-31 -- Proper Conformance section for LDP spec -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-31 -- Proper Conformance section for LDP spec -- open

15:31:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/31

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/31

15:31:55 <SteveBattle> who is the speaker - is that fret?

who is the speaker - is that dret?

15:32:04 <SteveBattle> s/fret/dret/
15:32:41 <SteveBattle> sandro: The spec adds additional things like container deletion etc.

Sandro Hawke: The spec adds additional things like container deletion etc.

15:33:22 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: It makes sense to have a compliance section

Arnaud Le Hors: It makes sense to have a compliance section

15:33:24 <bblfish> zakim, who is talking?

Henry Story: zakim, who is talking?

15:33:36 <Zakim> bblfish, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: dret (18%), Arnaud (46%)

Zakim IRC Bot: bblfish, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: dret (18%), Arnaud (46%)

15:33:55 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: I'm happy to close issue-31 and let editors add a conformance section.

Arnaud Le Hors: I'm happy to close ISSUE-31 and let editors add a conformance section.

15:34:28 <SteveBattle> SteveS: I accept the action.

Steve Speicher: I accept the action.

15:34:45 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Close issue-31: agreed

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-31: agreed

15:34:50 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: closing issue-31

Arnaud Le Hors: closing ISSUE-31

15:35:06 <Arnaud> ACTION: steves, add a conformance section to LDP spec

ACTION: steves, add a conformance section to LDP spec

15:35:06 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find steves,. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/users>.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find steves,. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/users>.

15:35:14 <dret>  sorry: yes, SteveBattle, that was me.

Erik Wilde: sorry: yes, SteveBattle, that was me.

15:35:14 <trackbot> ACTION-31

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-31

15:36:59 <Zakim> +bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish

15:38:07 <SteveBattle> subtopic: Issue-29

6.3. ISSUE-29

15:38:23 <bblfish> Issue-29?

Henry Story: ISSUE-29?

15:38:23 <trackbot> ISSUE-29 -- Relative URIs are crucial -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-29 -- Relative URIs are crucial -- open

15:38:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/29

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/29

15:39:01 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: This concerns the F2F where TBL implored us to support relative URIs in GETas well as PUT/POST

Arnaud Le Hors: This concerns the F2F where TBL implored us to support relative URIs in GETas well as PUT/POST

15:39:34 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: What does this mean for the spec?

Arnaud Le Hors: What does this mean for the spec?

15:39:39 <ericP> q+ to promote examples

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to promote examples

15:39:52 <bblfish> q+ to just thought of a really good use case for relative URIs: you could have a site that is both available on port 80, and also put it behind Tor in one quick click without having to rework everything

Henry Story: q+ to just thought of a really good use case for relative URIs: you could have a site that is both available on port 80, and also put it behind Tor in one quick click without having to rework everything

15:40:06 <SteveBattle> Sandro: I don't think this is a should/must for the spec. It's best practice.

Sandro Hawke: I don't think this is a should/must for the spec. It's best practice.

15:40:13 <SteveBattle> q+

q+

15:40:37 <ericP> ack me

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ack me

15:40:37 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to promote examples

Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to promote examples

15:40:39 <Arnaud> ack ericp

Arnaud Le Hors: ack ericp

15:40:46 <SteveBattle> ericP: moot

Eric Prud'hommeaux: moot

15:40:52 <bblfish> q-

Henry Story: q-

15:41:04 <ericP> ericP: was going to say what sandro said

Eric Prud'hommeaux: was going to say what sandro said [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ]

15:41:13 <Arnaud> ack steveb

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steveb

15:41:16 <ericP> SteveBattle: we could discuss best practice in the Primer

Steve Battle: we could discuss best practice in the Primer [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ]

15:41:54 <dret> +1 to Arnaud

Erik Wilde: +1 to Arnaud

15:41:56 <SteveS>  deiu "best practices" page I believe is started at http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Deployment_Guide

Steve Speicher: deiu "best practices" page I believe is started at http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Deployment_Guide

15:42:00 <ericP> ... for instance, when describing GET requests, we could describe best practice

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... for instance, when describing GET requests, we could describe best practice

15:42:02 <bblfish> I think relative URIs need to go into a section of the main spec when discussing POST for example

Henry Story: I think relative URIs need to go into a section of the main spec when discussing POST for example

15:42:03 <SteveBattle> Sandro: A throw-away couple of words could convey the idea

Sandro Hawke: A throw-away couple of words could convey the idea

15:42:42 <Zakim> -Ruben

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ruben

15:42:47 <SteveBattle> Sandro: A well-written primer can convey this informally.

Sandro Hawke: A well-written primer can convey this informally.

15:42:48 <deiu> SteveS, cheers (though that page is pretty useless at this point)

Andrei Sambra: SteveS, cheers (though that page is pretty useless at this point)

15:43:00 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

15:43:08 <SteveS> deiu got to start somewhere

Steve Speicher: deiu got to start somewhere

15:43:37 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: I haven't heard anyone say we need to change the spec.

Arnaud Le Hors: I haven't heard anyone say we need to change the spec.

15:43:39 <dret> primer or best practices, but spec would probably be the wrong place

Erik Wilde: primer or best practices, but spec would probably be the wrong place

15:43:43 <deiu> SteveS, I plan to do that, together with Alexandre (already started something internally)

Andrei Sambra: SteveS, I plan to do that, together with Alexandre (already started something internally)

15:43:51 <SteveBattle> q+

q+

15:44:13 <SteveBattle> SteveS: This is currently listed in the deployment spec.

Steve Speicher: This is currently listed in the deployment spec.

15:44:16 <SteveS> See deployment guide http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Deployment_Guide

Steve Speicher: See deployment guide http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Deployment_Guide

15:44:17 <Arnaud> ack steveb

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steveb

15:44:19 <ericP> SteveS: it's already in the deployment guide which cygri started

Steve Speicher: it's already in the deployment guide which cygri started [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ]

15:44:38 <ericP> SteveBattle: i confused about the Deployment Guide vs. the Primer

Steve Battle: i confused about the Deployment Guide vs. the Primer [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ]

15:44:47 <bblfish> q+ to I think that examples in the spec should contain relative URIs when possible

Henry Story: q+ to I think that examples in the spec should contain relative URIs when possible

15:44:50 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: The primer is an introduction to the technology

Arnaud Le Hors: The primer is an introduction to the technology

15:45:01 <SteveS> The document itself says its purpose is: "This page collects various informative material, including best practices, design patterns and anti-patterns, related to LDP. It may or may not become a formal deliverable of the Working Group."

Steve Speicher: The document itself says its purpose is: "This page collects various informative material, including best practices, design patterns and anti-patterns, related to LDP. It may or may not become a formal deliverable of the Working Group."

15:45:05 <SteveBattle> The deployment guide accompanies the spec for experts.

The deployment guide accompanies the spec for experts.

15:45:10 <ericP> Arnaud: as i understand it, the Primer is for non-experts. the Deployment Guide is meant to complement the spec for experts

Arnaud Le Hors: as i understand it, the Primer is for non-experts. the Deployment Guide is meant to complement the spec for experts [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ]

15:46:04 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

15:46:12 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

15:46:12 <Zakim> bblfish, you wanted to I think that examples in the spec should contain relative URIs when possible

Zakim IRC Bot: bblfish, you wanted to I think that examples in the spec should contain relative URIs when possible

15:46:17 <AshokMalhotra> q+

Ashok Malhotra: q+

15:46:22 <bblfish> I think that examples in the spec should contain relative URIs when possible

Henry Story: I think that examples in the spec should contain relative URIs when possible

15:46:50 <Arnaud> ack ashok

Arnaud Le Hors: ack ashok

15:47:09 <SteveBattle> Ashok: I agree, examples in the spec should show this.

Ashok Malhotra: I agree, examples in the spec should show this.

15:47:16 <Zakim> -bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish

15:47:48 <SteveBattle> SteveS: Yes we have examples that could use relative URIs.

Steve Speicher: Yes we have examples that could use relative URIs.

15:48:13 <Zakim> +??P8

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8

15:48:20 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P8 is me

Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ??P8 is me

15:48:20 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

15:48:50 <Arnaud> ACTION: steves, check the LDP spec for examples in which relative URLs might be used

ACTION: steves, check the LDP spec for examples in which relative URLs might be used

15:48:50 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find steves,. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/users>.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find steves,. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/users>.

15:48:50 <trackbot> ACTION-30

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-30

15:49:16 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: Proposing that we close issue-29

Arnaud Le Hors: Proposing that we close ISSUE-29

15:49:37 <SteveBattle> +1

+1

15:49:43 <Arnaud> +1

Arnaud Le Hors: +1

15:49:45 <deiu> +1

Andrei Sambra: +1

15:49:45 <svillata> +1

Serena Villata: +1

15:49:45 <krp> +1

Kevin Page: +1

15:49:50 <SteveS> +1

Steve Speicher: +1

15:49:56 <AshokMalhotra> +1

Ashok Malhotra: +1

15:50:03 <nmihindu> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

15:50:06 <oberger_> regrets

Olivier Berger: regrets

15:50:16 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

15:50:31 <dret> +1

Erik Wilde: +1

15:50:45 <Zakim> +bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish

15:50:58 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Close issue-29: it's a best practice covered in the deployment guide and examples in the LDP spec

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-29: it's a best practice covered in the deployment guide and examples in the LDP spec

15:52:26 <bblfish> yes patch is important :-)

Henry Story: yes patch is important :-)

15:52:34 <Zakim> -bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish

<SteveBattle> subtopic: Issues relating to PATCH: Issue-12, Issue-17, Issue-27

6.4. Issues relating to PATCH: ISSUE-12, ISSUE-17, ISSUE-27

15:52:37 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: We have 3 issues relating to PATCH. 12, 17, 27

Arnaud Le Hors: We have 3 issues relating to PATCH. 12, 17, 27

15:53:19 <SteveBattle> SteveS: I can gather the information together. There was some work done with tabulator and the R/W web.

Steve Speicher: I can gather the information together. There was some work done with tabulator and the R/W web.

15:54:02 <Zakim> +bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish

15:54:03 <SteveBattle> SteveS: The R/W web and tabulator use some subset of SPARQL update.

Steve Speicher: The R/W web and tabulator use some subset of SPARQL update.

15:54:07 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

15:55:04 <MacTed> subtopic: Issue-2 and issue-3: versioning

6.5. ISSUE-2 and ISSUE-3: versioning

15:55:04 <trackbot> ISSUE-2 -- Do BPR versions get managed in a systematic, discoverable way? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-2 -- Do BPR versions get managed in a systematic, discoverable way? -- open

15:55:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/2

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/2

15:55:07 <MacTed> issue-3?

Ted Thibodeau: ISSUE-3?

15:55:07 <trackbot> ISSUE-3 -- Do BPC versions get managed in a systematic, discoverable way? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-3 -- Do BPC versions get managed in a systematic, discoverable way? -- open

15:55:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/3

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/3

15:55:08 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: Do we want to do versioning? Issues 2 and 3

Arnaud Le Hors: Do we want to do versioning? Issues 2 and 3

15:55:08 <bblfish> versioning is a modelling issue I think. I wrote a versioning model once

Henry Story: versioning is a modelling issue I think. I wrote a versioning model once

15:55:46 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: Maybe we shouldn't discuss this now, AndyS is the owner.

Arnaud Le Hors: Maybe we shouldn't discuss this now, AndyS is the owner.

15:55:55 <Zakim> -bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish

15:55:57 <dret> i read that as versioning LDP content, not the protocol

Erik Wilde: i read that as versioning LDP content, not the protocol

15:56:24 <dret> and i recommend to stay away from this for LDP core; it's a very complex issue.

Erik Wilde: and i recommend to stay away from this for LDP core; it's a very complex issue.

15:56:31 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: Is versioning handled by LDP or the application?\

Arnaud Le Hors: Is versioning handled by LDP or the application?\

15:56:39 <dret> WebDAV

Erik Wilde: WebDAV

15:56:40 <MacTed> WebDAV...

Ted Thibodeau: WebDAV...

15:56:54 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

15:56:54 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted

15:57:05 <SteveBattle> ericP: Are there precedents?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Are there precedents?

15:57:34 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:57:34 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

15:57:57 <SteveBattle> Do we want to do it at all? It can get really ugly.

Do we want to do it at all? It can get really ugly.

15:58:02 <krp> also memento for time-based versioning http://www.mementoweb.org/guide/rfc/ID/  (but agree, better to decide whether we need to do this)

Kevin Page: also memento for time-based versioning http://www.mementoweb.org/guide/rfc/ID/ (but agree, better to decide whether we need to do this)

15:58:09 <SteveBattle> unsure of the speaker

unsure of the speaker

15:58:22 <Arnaud> speaker is dret

Arnaud Le Hors: speaker is dret

15:58:45 <AshokMalhotra> can soemone make a proposal?

Ashok Malhotra: can soemone make a proposal?

15:58:56 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

15:59:29 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: I'm sensing that the group isn't in favour of handling versioning in the spec.

Arnaud Le Hors: I'm sensing that the group isn't in favour of handling versioning in the spec.

15:59:30 <dret> it's a good feature, but not MMF.

Erik Wilde: it's a good feature, but not MMF.

15:59:53 <dret> +1

Erik Wilde: +1

16:00:09 <ericP> AndyS, dret proposed that we not handle versioning unless there's a strong proponent. there was general support for this position.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: AndyS, dret proposed that we not handle versioning unless there's a strong proponent. there was general support for this position.

16:00:32 <SteveBattle> RESOLVED: Mark Issue-2 and Issue-3 as pending review, we'll look at it with Andy next week

RESOLVED: Mark ISSUE-2 and ISSUE-3 as pending review, we'll look at it with Andy next week

16:01:20 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: Remember the best way to make progress is to make a proposal.

Arnaud Le Hors: Remember the best way to make progress is to make a proposal.

16:01:26 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra

16:01:38 <SteveBattle> see minutes for last meeting.

see minutes for last meeting.

16:02:07 <dret> thanks Arnaud, thanks SteveBattle, thanks everybody!

Erik Wilde: thanks Arnaud, thanks SteveBattle, thanks everybody!

16:02:13 <Zakim> -oberger

Zakim IRC Bot: -oberger

16:02:14 <SteveBattle> bye

bye

16:02:14 <Zakim> -SteveS

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS

16:02:19 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

16:02:20 <Zakim> -Yves

Zakim IRC Bot: -Yves

16:02:20 <Zakim> -MacTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed

16:02:21 <Zakim> -svillata

Zakim IRC Bot: -svillata

16:02:21 <Zakim> -dret

Zakim IRC Bot: -dret

16:02:21 <Zakim> -deiu

Zakim IRC Bot: -deiu

16:02:21 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud

16:02:22 <Zakim> -EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP

16:02:25 <Zakim> -krp

Zakim IRC Bot: -krp

16:02:50 <Zakim> -SteveBattle

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveBattle

16:04:41 <bblfish> I must have missed the end

Henry Story: I must have missed the end

16:06:23 <bblfish> have the meeting minutes been published?

Henry Story: have the meeting minutes been published?

16:07:05 <bblfish> zakim, publsh minutes

Henry Story: zakim, publsh minutes

16:07:05 <Zakim> I don't understand 'publsh minutes', bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'publsh minutes', bblfish

16:07:13 <bblfish> zakim, publish minutes

Henry Story: zakim, publish minutes

16:07:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'publish minutes', bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'publish minutes', bblfish

16:08:16 <deiu> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Andrei Sambra: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

16:08:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-minutes.html deiu

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-minutes.html deiu

16:08:18 <bblfish> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Henry Story: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

16:08:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-minutes.html bblfish

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-minutes.html bblfish

16:08:41 <deiu> RRSAgent, please publish minutes

Andrei Sambra: RRSAgent, please publish minutes

16:08:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-minutes.html deiu

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-minutes.html deiu

16:08:59 <bblfish> ah I think they are still protected

Henry Story: ah I think they are still protected

16:16:20 <MacTed> RRSAgent, set logs public

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Ted Thibodeau: RRSAgent, set logs public

16:16:38 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here?

16:16:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, nmihindu (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, nmihindu (muted)

16:16:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see bblfish, MacTed, achille_z, Zakim, RRSAgent, dret, SteveS, deiu, webr3, Arnaud, jmvanel, trackbot, Yves, sandro, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bblfish, MacTed, achille_z, Zakim, RRSAgent, dret, SteveS, deiu, webr3, Arnaud, jmvanel, trackbot, Yves, sandro, ericP

16:17:12 <MacTed> Zakim, drop BartvanLeeuwen

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, drop BartvanLeeuwen

16:17:12 <Zakim> BartvanLeeuwen is being disconnected

Zakim IRC Bot: BartvanLeeuwen is being disconnected

16:17:14 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen

Zakim IRC Bot: -BartvanLeeuwen

16:17:16 <MacTed> Zakim, drop nmihindu

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, drop nmihindu

16:17:17 <Zakim> nmihindu is being disconnected

Zakim IRC Bot: nmihindu is being disconnected

16:17:18 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

16:17:18 <Zakim> Attendees were dret, BartvanLeeuwen, +44.754.550.aaaa, SteveS, Ruben, Arnaud, deiu, MacTed, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveBattle, EricP, Yves, nmihindu, oberger, krp, Sandro, svillata,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were dret, BartvanLeeuwen, +44.754.550.aaaa, SteveS, Ruben, Arnaud, deiu, MacTed, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveBattle, EricP, Yves, nmihindu, oberger, krp, Sandro, svillata,

16:17:18 <Zakim> ... bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: ... bblfish

16:17:23 <MacTed> trackbot, end meeting

Ted Thibodeau: trackbot, end meeting

16:17:23 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees

16:17:23 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

16:17:31 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

16:17:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-minutes.html trackbot

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-minutes.html trackbot

16:17:32 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye

16:17:32 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-actions.rdf :

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-actions.rdf :

16:17:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: steves, add a conformance section to LDP spec [1]

ACTION: steves, add a conformance section to LDP spec [1]

16:17:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-irc#T15-35-06

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-irc#T15-35-06

<SteveBattle> [1] ACTION-30 http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/30

[1] ACTION-30 http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/30

16:17:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: steves, check the LDP spec for examples in which relative URLs might be used [2]

ACTION: steves, check the LDP spec for examples in which relative URLs might be used [2]

16:17:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-irc#T15-48-35

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-irc#T15-48-35

<SteveBattle> [2] ACTION-31 http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/31

[2] ACTION-31 http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/31



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