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Government Linked Data Working Group

Minutes of 08 March 2013

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Fadi Maali, Ghislain Atemezing, Makx Dekkers, Martín Álvarez, Phil Archer, Richard Cyganiak
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Phil Archer
IRC Log
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Resolutions
  1. http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/AccessURLRedesign is accepted link
  2. Stick to dcat:Distribution? link
  3. Drop dcat:granularity link
  4. Recommend that title, description, modified, issued can also be used on distributions, not just datasets link
  5. Move dcterms:license from Dataset to Distribution and Close ISSUE-13 link
  6. Drop dcterms:references from the spec 9which doesn't make it illegal to use) and close ISSUE-13 link
  7. Close ISSUE-11 by replacing the current text with the text proposed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Mar/0073.html but refer to SPARQL instead of RDF 1.1 for RDF Dataset and Named Graphs link
Topics
09:58:34 <PhilA2> Hi fadmaa

Phil Archer: Hi fadmaa

09:58:43 <fadmaa> hello PhilA2

Fadi Maali: hello PhilA2

09:58:48 <PhilA2> Are you at the EuroGI event in Dublin?

Phil Archer: Are you at the EuroGI event in Dublin?

09:59:00 <fadmaa> no... couldn't ake it

Fadi Maali: no... couldn't ake it

09:59:06 <fadmaa> are you?

Fadi Maali: are you?

09:59:06 <PhilA> I was there yesterday

Phil Archer: I was there yesterday

09:59:10 <PhilA> Not today

Phil Archer: Not today

09:59:23 <PhilA> I was trying to work out how you could be on this call from there!

Phil Archer: I was trying to work out how you could be on this call from there!

09:59:34 <PhilA> I'm about to ask zakim for a number

Phil Archer: I'm about to ask zakim for a number

09:59:44 <PhilA> How many people are you expecting?

Phil Archer: How many people are you expecting?

09:59:50 <PhilA> (it matters, sorry)

Phil Archer: (it matters, sorry)

09:59:53 <fadmaa> 5 I believe

Fadi Maali: 5 I believe

09:59:57 <PhilA> OK

Phil Archer: OK

10:00:03 <PhilA> zakim, room for 7?

Phil Archer: zakim, room for 7?

10:00:04 <Zakim> ok, PhilA; conference Team_(gld)10:00Z scheduled with code 26632 (CONF2) for 60 minutes until 1100Z

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, PhilA; conference Team_(gld)10:00Z scheduled with code 26632 (CONF2) for 60 minutes until 1100Z

10:00:30 <PhilA> PhilA has changed the topic to: DCAT call, zakim code is CONF2 26632

Phil Archer: PhilA has changed the topic to: DCAT call, zakim code is CONF2 26632

10:01:21 <Zakim> Team_(gld)10:00Z has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: Team_(gld)10:00Z has now started

10:01:28 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

10:01:30 <PhilA> zakim, ipcaller is me

Phil Archer: zakim, ipcaller is me

10:01:30 <Zakim> +PhilA; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +PhilA; got it

10:01:31 <Zakim> +??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0

10:01:47 <martin_> zakim, ??p0 is me

Martín Álvarez: zakim, ??p0 is me

10:01:47 <Zakim> +martin_; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +martin_; got it

10:01:54 <Zakim> + +35386100aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +35386100aaaa

10:02:30 <fadmaa> can you hear me?

Fadi Maali: can you hear me?

10:02:36 <PhilA> no

Phil Archer: no

10:02:43 <fadmaa> I'll call in again

Fadi Maali: I'll call in again

10:02:46 <Zakim> - +35386100aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: - +35386100aaaa

10:02:58 <PhilA> zakim, code?

Phil Archer: zakim, code?

10:02:58 <Zakim> the conference code is 26632 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 26632 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA

10:03:32 <Zakim> + +35386100aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +35386100aabb

10:03:41 <PhilA> zakim, aabb is fadmaa

Phil Archer: zakim, aabb is fadmaa

10:03:41 <Zakim> +fadmaa; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +fadmaa; got it

10:03:47 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is here?

10:03:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see PhilA, martin_, fadmaa

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see PhilA, martin_, fadmaa

10:03:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see Makx, atemezin, martin_, fadmaa, Zakim, PhilA, cygri, danbri, RRSAgent, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Makx, atemezin, martin_, fadmaa, Zakim, PhilA, cygri, danbri, RRSAgent, sandro, trackbot

10:03:57 <Zakim> +atemezin

Zakim IRC Bot: +atemezin

10:04:24 <Zakim> + +2134422aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +2134422aacc

10:04:31 <Makx> zakim, aacc is me

Makx Dekkers: zakim, aacc is me

10:04:31 <Zakim> +Makx; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Makx; got it

10:05:24 <Zakim> +??P5

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5

10:05:29 <cygri> zakim, ??P5 is me

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, ??P5 is me

10:05:29 <Zakim> +cygri; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it

10:05:38 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is here?

10:05:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see PhilA, martin_, fadmaa, atemezin, Makx, cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see PhilA, martin_, fadmaa, atemezin, Makx, cygri

10:05:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see Makx, atemezin, martin_, fadmaa, Zakim, PhilA, cygri, danbri, RRSAgent, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Makx, atemezin, martin_, fadmaa, Zakim, PhilA, cygri, danbri, RRSAgent, sandro, trackbot

10:06:26 <PhilA> scribe: PhilA

(Scribe set to Phil Archer)

10:06:42 <PhilA> fadmaa: want to go through the issues, most have proposals

Fadi Maali: want to go through the issues, most have proposals

10:06:53 <Makx> I can barely hear fadi

Makx Dekkers: I can barely hear fadi

10:06:59 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/AccessURLRedesign

Fadi Maali: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/AccessURLRedesign

10:07:03 <PhilA> very hard to hear you fadmaa

very hard to hear you fadmaa

10:07:59 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Dcat_examples

Fadi Maali: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Dcat_examples

10:08:21 <Makx> +q

Makx Dekkers: +q

10:08:37 <Makx> -q

Makx Dekkers: -q

10:08:59 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+

10:09:33 <martin_> q+

Martín Álvarez: q+

10:10:23 <PhilA> Makx: We're working with the European Publications Office to create an application profile for DCAT so that data sets can be fund by a central service

Makx Dekkers: We're working with the European Publications Office to create an application profile for DCAT so that data sets can be fund by a central service

10:10:44 <PhilA> ... my priority is to get DCAT finalised

... my priority is to get DCAT finalised

10:10:55 <PhilA> Makx: I'm happy with the current proposal

Makx Dekkers: I'm happy with the current proposal

10:11:04 <PhilA> ... based on ADMS approach to the issue

... based on ADMS approach to the issue

10:11:12 <PhilA> cygri: I have a question

Richard Cyganiak: I have a question

10:11:35 <PhilA> cygri: Do we have a proposed spec text? Or do we have to go by the skets of the design in withe wiki page

Richard Cyganiak: Do we have a proposed spec text? Or do we have to go by the skets of the design in withe wiki page

10:12:01 <PhilA> fadmaa: I wasn't sure if I could edit the text before the meeting

Fadi Maali: I wasn't sure if I could edit the text before the meeting

10:13:52 <PhilA> cygri: Main simplification is that it does away with the sub classes

Richard Cyganiak: Main simplification is that it does away with the sub classes

10:14:15 <Zakim> -fadmaa

Zakim IRC Bot: -fadmaa

10:14:40 <Makx> +q

Makx Dekkers: +q

10:14:58 <martin_> ack cygri

Martín Álvarez: ack cygri

10:15:17 <PhilA> ... but we need to make a distinction between different access methods

... but we need to make a distinction between different access methods

10:15:21 <PhilA> ack cygri

ack cygri

10:15:26 <PhilA> ack Mart

ack Mart

10:16:02 <PhilA> martin_: This matches our experience - all in line with this proposal. We haven't had landing page and downloadURL but would be compatible

Martín Álvarez: This matches our experience - all in line with this proposal. We haven't had landing page and downloadURL but would be compatible

10:16:05 <PhilA> ack Makx

ack Makx

10:16:25 <PhilA> Makx: A question - isee that downloadURL is a sub prop of accessURL - why?

Makx Dekkers: A question - isee that downloadURL is a sub prop of accessURL - why?

10:16:33 <PhilA> cygri: Because download is a form of access

Richard Cyganiak: Because download is a form of access

10:16:51 <PhilA> Makx: But how would it be used (by someone that doesn't know the difference?

Makx Dekkers: But how would it be used (by someone that doesn't know the difference?

10:17:17 <PhilA> cygri: accessURL could be anything - you don't know for sure what it points to. Web page, form, whatever

Richard Cyganiak: accessURL could be anything - you don't know for sure what it points to. Web page, form, whatever

10:17:31 <PhilA> ... if you know it goes straight to a download then you can use downloadURL

... if you know it goes straight to a download then you can use downloadURL

10:17:43 <PhilA> ... the distinction is not made in some catalogues

... the distinction is not made in some catalogues

10:17:55 <fadmaa> sorry what was the code?

Fadi Maali: sorry what was the code?

10:18:01 <PhilA> zakim, code?

zakim, code?

10:18:01 <Zakim> the conference code is 26632 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 26632 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA

10:18:11 <Zakim> + +3539149aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +3539149aadd

10:18:15 <PhilA> Makx: Yes, but why is download a sub prop of access

Makx Dekkers: Yes, but why is download a sub prop of access

10:18:20 <PhilA> zakim, aadd is fadmaa

zakim, aadd is fadmaa

10:18:20 <Zakim> +fadmaa; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +fadmaa; got it

10:18:40 <PhilA> Makx: So if I doon't know the difference then I should treat downloadURL as accessURL?

Makx Dekkers: So if I doon't know the difference then I should treat downloadURL as accessURL?

10:18:46 <atemezin> q+

Ghislain Atemezing: q+

10:18:47 <Zakim> -atemezin

Zakim IRC Bot: -atemezin

10:18:51 <PhilA> Makx: OKm got it

Makx Dekkers: OKm got it

10:19:03 <PhilA> ack atemezin

ack atemezin

10:19:35 <Makx> +1 distribution proposal

Makx Dekkers: +1 distribution proposal

10:19:43 <PhilA> PROPOSAL: ACCEPT http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/AccessURLRedesign

PROPOSED: ACCEPT http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/AccessURLRedesign

10:19:46 <Zakim> + +33.4.93.00.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.4.93.00.aaee

10:19:52 <martin_> +1

Martín Álvarez: +1

10:19:55 <fadmaa> +1

Fadi Maali: +1

10:20:09 <PhilA> zakim, aaee is atemezin

zakim, aaee is atemezin

10:20:09 <Zakim> +atemezin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +atemezin; got it

10:20:32 <PhilA> atemezin: To be consistent, should accessURL be webpageURL?

Ghislain Atemezing: To be consistent, should accessURL be webpageURL?

10:20:36 <Zakim> -cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri

10:20:48 <PhilA> cygri: downloadURL and accessURL might not be a web page

Richard Cyganiak: downloadURL and accessURL might not be a web page

10:21:13 <Makx> shouldn't landingPage be a URI rather than URL?

Makx Dekkers: shouldn't landingPage be a URI rather than URL?

10:21:40 <cygri> +1

Richard Cyganiak: +1

10:21:44 <PhilA> fadmaa: We were thinking of using foaf:page but we're more specific - a page where you can get access to the pag

Fadi Maali: We were thinking of using foaf:page but we're more specific - a page where you can get access to the pag

10:22:04 <Zakim> +??P5

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5

10:22:10 <cygri> zakim, ??P5 is me

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, ??P5 is me

10:22:10 <Zakim> +cygri; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it

10:22:58 <atemezin> @cygri: my previous question was about landingPage actually

Ghislain Atemezing: @cygri: my previous question was about landingPage actually

10:23:23 <atemezin> changing landingPage to webPageURL

Ghislain Atemezing: changing landingPage to webPageURL

10:23:29 <PhilA> hasChannel

hasChannel

10:23:31 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+

10:23:51 <PhilA> cygri: landingPage is consistent with foaf

Richard Cyganiak: landingPage is consistent with foaf

10:24:05 <PhilA> cygri: we can't call accessURL and downloadURL pages

Richard Cyganiak: we can't call accessURL and downloadURL pages

10:24:16 <PhilA> cygri: So for consistency I think we should stick to what we have

Richard Cyganiak: So for consistency I think we should stick to what we have

10:24:23 <PhilA> re proposal +1

re proposal +1

10:24:30 <atemezin> +1

Ghislain Atemezing: +1

10:24:32 <Makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

10:24:37 <martin_> +1

Martín Álvarez: +1

10:24:40 <PhilA> RESOLVED: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/AccessURLRedesign is accepted

RESOLVED: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/AccessURLRedesign is accepted

10:25:13 <PhilA> atemezin: Should we define landingPage as a sub prop of foaf:page

Ghislain Atemezing: Should we define landingPage as a sub prop of foaf:page

10:25:39 <cygri> "The page property relates a thing to a document about that thing."

Richard Cyganiak: "The page property relates a thing to a document about that thing."

10:26:05 <fadmaa> list of issues http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/2

Fadi Maali: list of issues http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/2

10:26:35 <PhilA> fadmaa: 8 and 9 are now covered

Fadi Maali: 8 and 9 are now covered

10:26:55 <PhilA> ... ISSUE-43 was around renaming (from Rufus)

... ISSUE-43 was around renaming (from Rufus)

10:27:04 <Makx> -1

Makx Dekkers: -1

10:27:06 <cygri> PROPOSAL: stick to dcat:Distribution

PROPOSED: stick to dcat:Distribution

10:27:10 <Makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

10:27:12 <fadmaa> +1

Fadi Maali: +1

10:27:13 <PhilA> ... my suggestion is to ask people whether they prefer Distribution or resource?

... my suggestion is to ask people whether they prefer Distribution or resource?

10:27:19 <martin_> +1 (Distribution)

Martín Álvarez: +1 (Distribution)

10:27:25 <Makx> Distribution

Makx Dekkers: Distribution

10:27:32 <atemezin> +1 (Distribution)

Ghislain Atemezing: +1 (Distribution)

10:27:36 <PhilA> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Stick to dcat:Distribution?

PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Stick to dcat:Distribution?

10:27:39 <PhilA> +1

+1

10:27:40 <Makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

10:27:43 <PhilA> RESOLUTION: Stick to dcat:Distribution?

RESOLVED: Stick to dcat:Distribution?

10:27:51 <PhilA> close ISSUE-43

close ISSUE-43

10:27:51 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-43 rename dcat:Distribution to Resource.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-43 rename dcat:Distribution to Resource.

10:28:04 <cygri> ISSUE-10?

Richard Cyganiak: ISSUE-10?

10:28:04 <trackbot> ISSUE-10 -- Refine dcat:granularity to dcat:spatialGranularity and dcat:temporalGranularity -- pending review

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-10 -- Refine dcat:granularity to dcat:spatialGranularity and dcat:temporalGranularity -- pending review

10:28:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/10

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/10

10:28:09 <PhilA> fadmaa: ISSUE-10

Fadi Maali: ISSUE-10

10:28:14 <PhilA> ISSUE-10?

ISSUE-10?

10:28:14 <trackbot> ISSUE-10 -- Refine dcat:granularity to dcat:spatialGranularity and dcat:temporalGranularity -- pending review

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-10 -- Refine dcat:granularity to dcat:spatialGranularity and dcat:temporalGranularity -- pending review

10:28:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/10

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/10

10:28:35 <PhilA> fadmaa: proposal is to drop granularity - possibly come back to it later -DCAT2

Fadi Maali: proposal is to drop granularity - possibly come back to it later -DCAT2

10:29:38 <cygri> PROPOSAL: Close ISSUE-10 by dropping dcat:granularity, as it is underspecified

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-10 by dropping dcat:granularity, as it is underspecified

10:29:50 <fadmaa> q?

Fadi Maali: q?

10:29:53 <Makx> +1 to move to future

Makx Dekkers: +1 to move to future

10:29:56 <cygri> q-

Richard Cyganiak: q-

10:30:03 <PhilA> PhilA: +1 to dropping it - but it may well come back as a separate vocab

Phil Archer: +1 to dropping it - but it may well come back as a separate vocab

10:30:29 <PhilA> fadmaa: The feeling is that granularity is useful, but we don't have enough data to put it in DCAT today

Fadi Maali: The feeling is that granularity is useful, but we don't have enough data to put it in DCAT today

10:30:48 <PhilA> fadmaa: It's useful buyt we can't reocmmend a proper use of it today

Fadi Maali: It's useful buyt we can't reocmmend a proper use of it today

10:31:12 <PhilA> RESOLVED: Drop dcat:granularity

RESOLVED: Drop dcat:granularity

10:31:16 <PhilA> ISSUE-10 close

ISSUE-10 close

10:31:21 <PhilA> close ISSUE-10

close ISSUE-10

10:31:21 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-10 Refine dcat:granularity to dcat:spatialGranularity and dcat:temporalGranularity.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-10 Refine dcat:granularity to dcat:spatialGranularity and dcat:temporalGranularity.

10:31:23 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/12

Fadi Maali: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/12

10:31:46 <cygri> ISSUE-12?

Richard Cyganiak: ISSUE-12?

10:31:46 <trackbot> ISSUE-12 -- What values to use to describe formats of dcat:Distribution? -- pending review

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-12 -- What values to use to describe formats of dcat:Distribution? -- pending review

10:31:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/12

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/12

10:31:47 <PhilA> ISSUE-12?

ISSUE-12?

10:31:47 <trackbot> ISSUE-12 -- What values to use to describe formats of dcat:Distribution? -- pending review

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-12 -- What values to use to describe formats of dcat:Distribution? -- pending review

10:31:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/12

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/12

10:32:42 <PhilA> proposal is to have a new prop of media type - value is a one defined by IANA

proposal is to have a new prop of media type - value is a one defined by IANA

10:33:02 <PhilA> if it doesn't exist... (shape files etc.) then use dcformat with any value

if it doesn't exist... (shape files etc.) then use dcformat with any value

10:33:15 <martin_> Resolved in http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-10-25#resolution_3 ??

Martín Álvarez: Resolved in http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-10-25#resolution_3 ??

10:34:29 <PhilA> ISSUE-12 was already closed, sorry, shouldn't have come up today

ISSUE-12 was already closed, sorry, shouldn't have come up today

10:34:35 <PhilA> close ISSUE-12

close ISSUE-12

10:34:36 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-12 What values to use to describe formats of dcat:Distribution?.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-12 What values to use to describe formats of dcat:Distribution?.

10:34:52 <PhilA> rrsagent, make logs public

rrsagent, make logs public

10:34:59 <fadmaa> issue-13 ?

Fadi Maali: ISSUE-13 ?

10:34:59 <trackbot> ISSUE-13 -- attach specific properties to dcat:Distribution and not to dcat:Dataset -- pending review

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-13 -- attach specific properties to dcat:Distribution and not to dcat:Dataset -- pending review

10:34:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/13

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/13

10:35:01 <PhilA> ISSUE-13?

ISSUE-13?

10:35:01 <trackbot> ISSUE-13 -- attach specific properties to dcat:Distribution and not to dcat:Dataset -- pending review

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-13 -- attach specific properties to dcat:Distribution and not to dcat:Dataset -- pending review

10:35:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/13

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/13

10:35:29 <PhilA> fadmaa: We got the feedback we needed. So I think we're OK on that...

Fadi Maali: We got the feedback we needed. So I think we're OK on that...

10:35:51 <PhilA> fadmaa: Had feedback from Makx, it's in line with ADMS, title, description, modified and issued

Fadi Maali: Had feedback from Makx, it's in line with ADMS, title, description, modified and issued

10:36:03 <atemezin> +1

Ghislain Atemezing: +1

10:36:03 <Makx> still +1

Makx Dekkers: still +1

10:36:16 <cygri> PROPOSAL: Recommend that title, description, modified, issued can also be used on distributions, not just datasets

PROPOSED: Recommend that title, description, modified, issued can also be used on distributions, not just datasets

10:36:19 <cygri> +1

Richard Cyganiak: +1

10:36:20 <fadmaa> +1

Fadi Maali: +1

10:36:22 <Makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

10:36:44 <Makx> jsut adding

Makx Dekkers: just adding

10:36:51 <martin_> +1

Martín Álvarez: +1

10:36:53 <PhilA> martin_: Do we add those to distribution and keep them from dataset?

Martín Álvarez: Do we add those to distribution and keep them from dataset?

10:36:59 <PhilA> fadmaa: Both - i.e. keep all of them on both

Fadi Maali: Both - i.e. keep all of them on both

10:37:04 <atemezin> s/jsut/just
10:37:06 <fadmaa> issue-53 ?

Fadi Maali: ISSUE-53 ?

10:37:06 <trackbot> ISSUE-53 -- Move the license property from dataset to distribution -- pending review

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-53 -- Move the license property from dataset to distribution -- pending review

10:37:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/53

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/53

10:37:07 <PhilA> RESOLVED: Recommend that title, description, modified, issued can also be used on distributions, not just datasets

RESOLVED: Recommend that title, description, modified, issued can also be used on distributions, not just datasets

10:37:14 <PhilA> CLOSE issue-13

CLOSE ISSUE-13

10:37:14 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-13 attach specific properties to dcat:Distribution and not to dcat:Dataset.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-13 attach specific properties to dcat:Distribution and not to dcat:Dataset.

10:37:29 <Zakim> -cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri

10:37:41 <Zakim> +??P5

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5

10:37:45 <PhilA> fadmaa: We currently have licence on datasets but feedback said it could be different per distribution

Fadi Maali: We currently have licence on datasets but feedback said it could be different per distribution

10:37:47 <cygri> zakim, ??P5 is me

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, ??P5 is me

10:37:47 <Zakim> +cygri; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it

10:37:49 <Makx> ADMS has licence for Distribution not for Asset/DataSet

Makx Dekkers: ADMS has licence for Distribution not for Asset/DataSet

10:37:56 <PhilA> fadmaa: I got +1 from Makx

Fadi Maali: I got +1 from Makx

10:38:12 <PhilA> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Move dcterms:license from Dataset to Distribution

PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Move dcterms:license from Dataset to Distribution

10:38:16 <Makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

10:38:17 <cygri> +1

Richard Cyganiak: +1

10:38:17 <PhilA> +1

+1

10:38:22 <fadmaa> +1

Fadi Maali: +1

10:38:23 <martin_> +1

Martín Álvarez: +1

10:38:32 <PhilA> RESOLUTION: Move dcterms:license from Dataset to Distribution and Close ISSUE-13

RESOLVED: Move dcterms:license from Dataset to Distribution and Close ISSUE-13

10:38:35 <fadmaa> issue-52 ?

Fadi Maali: ISSUE-52 ?

10:38:35 <trackbot> ISSUE-52 -- Drop dc:reference from Dcat -- pending review

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-52 -- Drop dc:reference from Dcat -- pending review

10:38:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/52

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/52

10:38:44 <PhilA> Close ISSUE-13

Close ISSUE-13

10:38:44 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-13 attach specific properties to dcat:Distribution and not to dcat:Dataset.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-13 attach specific properties to dcat:Distribution and not to dcat:Dataset.

10:38:54 <Makx> in fact dc:refernce does not exist

Makx Dekkers: in fact dc:refernce does not exist

10:39:19 <Makx> http://dublincore.org/documents/dcmi-terms/#terms-references

Makx Dekkers: http://dublincore.org/documents/dcmi-terms/#terms-references

10:39:31 <PhilA> fadmaa: dcterms:reference is too generic to be useful. So we can just leave it out of the spec. They can still use it of course

Fadi Maali: dcterms:reference is too generic to be useful. So we can just leave it out of the spec. They can still use it of course

10:39:46 <cygri> it's references, not reference :-)

Richard Cyganiak: it's references, not reference :-)

10:39:48 <Makx> so it's dc:references with s at the end

Makx Dekkers: so it's dc:references with s at the end

10:40:04 <Makx> OK to drop

Makx Dekkers: OK to drop

10:40:17 <PhilA> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Drop dcterms:references from the spec 9which doesn't make it illegal to use) and close ISSUE-13

PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Drop dcterms:references from the spec (which doesn't make it illegal to use) and close ISSUE-13

10:40:21 <Makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

10:40:23 <PhilA> s/9/(/
10:40:23 <cygri> +1

Richard Cyganiak: +1

10:40:26 <martin_> +1

Martín Álvarez: +1

10:40:26 <PhilA> +1

+1

10:40:27 <atemezin> +1

Ghislain Atemezing: +1

10:40:31 <PhilA> RESOLUTION: Drop dcterms:references from the spec 9which doesn't make it illegal to use) and close ISSUE-13

RESOLVED: Drop dcterms:references from the spec 9which doesn't make it illegal to use) and close ISSUE-13

10:40:39 <PhilA> close ISSUE-13

close ISSUE-13

10:40:39 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-13 attach specific properties to dcat:Distribution and not to dcat:Dataset.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-13 attach specific properties to dcat:Distribution and not to dcat:Dataset.

10:40:51 <PhilA> ISSUE-11?

ISSUE-11?

10:40:51 <trackbot> ISSUE-11 -- Is dcat:CatalogRecord related to Named Graphs? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-11 -- Is dcat:CatalogRecord related to Named Graphs? -- open

10:40:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/11

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/11

10:40:57 <PhilA> ISSUE-14?

ISSUE-14?

10:40:57 <trackbot> ISSUE-14 -- add dcat:permanentIdentifier property -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-14 -- add dcat:permanentIdentifier property -- open

10:40:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/14

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/14

10:41:01 <fadmaa> issue-11 ?

Fadi Maali: ISSUE-11 ?

10:41:01 <trackbot> ISSUE-11 -- Is dcat:CatalogRecord related to Named Graphs? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-11 -- Is dcat:CatalogRecord related to Named Graphs? -- open

10:41:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/11

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/11

10:41:01 <PhilA> ISSUE-54?

ISSUE-54?

10:41:01 <trackbot> ISSUE-54 -- Relationship of DCAT and VoID -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-54 -- Relationship of DCAT and VoID -- raised

10:41:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/54

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/54

10:41:11 <PhilA> cygri: I've been looking at these this morning

Richard Cyganiak: I've been looking at these this morning

10:41:14 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/mid/5E2B5125-A4F7-4D3D-871E-0FD05EA9B7BD@cyganiak.de

Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/mid/5E2B5125-A4F7-4D3D-871E-0FD05EA9B7BD@cyganiak.de

10:41:47 <PhilA> cygri: issue-11 there probably is some sort of relationship

Richard Cyganiak: ISSUE-11 there probably is some sort of relationship

10:42:25 <cygri> In web-based catalogs that provide an individual page for each dataset, the URL of that page can be used as the IRI of the catalog record if it is a permalink. This is specially appropriate if the page provides access to an RDF description of the dataset via content negotiation [[RFC2616]], embedded RDFa markup, or similar mechanisms.

Richard Cyganiak: In web-based catalogs that provide an individual page for each dataset, the URL of that page can be used as the IRI of the catalog record if it is a permalink. This is specially appropriate if the page provides access to an RDF description of the dataset via content negotiation [[RFC2616]], embedded RDFa markup, or similar mechanisms.

10:42:26 <cygri> If a catalog is represented as an RDF Dataset [[RDF11-Concepts]] with named graphs, then it is appropriate to place the description of each dataset (consisting of all RDF triples that mention the dcat:Dataset, dcat:CatalogRecord, and any of its dcat:Distributions) into a separate named graph. The name of that graph should be the IRI of the catalog record.

Richard Cyganiak: If a catalog is represented as an RDF Dataset [[RDF11-Concepts]] with named graphs, then it is appropriate to place the description of each dataset (consisting of all RDF triples that mention the dcat:Dataset, dcat:CatalogRecord, and any of its dcat:Distributions) into a separate named graph. The name of that graph should be the IRI of the catalog record.

10:43:38 <PhilA> cygri: That tries to explain how the differnet identifiers canplay together

Richard Cyganiak: That tries to explain how the differnet identifiers canplay together

10:43:46 <Makx> +q

Makx Dekkers: +q

10:43:49 <fadmaa> +1

Fadi Maali: +1

10:43:53 <PhilA> ack Makx

ack Makx

10:44:14 <PhilA> Makx: This sounds a little like an OAI ?? has to be. Are people familiar with that?

Makx Dekkers: This sounds a little like an OAI ?? has to be. Are people familiar with that?

10:44:25 <PhilA> cygri: Yes, it does sound like that

Richard Cyganiak: Yes, it does sound like that

10:44:54 <PhilA> Makx: It makes it explicit that different things can be related. It doesn't use the URI of one of the elements - it creates a new URI for the collection

Makx Dekkers: It makes it explicit that different things can be related. It doesn't use the URI of one of the elements - it creates a new URI for the collection

10:45:14 <PhilA> cygri: We're saying that if you already have a Web page that describes the dataset, then you can just use that

Richard Cyganiak: We're saying that if you already have a Web page that describes the dataset, then you can just use that

10:45:38 <Makx> http://www.openarchives.org/ore/

Makx Dekkers: http://www.openarchives.org/ore/

10:45:41 <cygri> current text:

Richard Cyganiak: current text:

10:45:42 <cygri> In web-based catalogs, the URL of the catalog page should be used as URI for the catalog record if it is a permalink.

Richard Cyganiak: In web-based catalogs, the URL of the catalog page should be used as URI for the catalog record if it is a permalink.

10:45:43 <cygri> If named graphs are used, all RDF triples describing the catalog record, the dataset, and its distributions, should go into a graph named with the catalog record's URI.

Richard Cyganiak: If named graphs are used, all RDF triples describing the catalog record, the dataset, and its distributions, should go into a graph named with the catalog record's URI.

10:46:10 <PhilA> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: resolve ISSUE-11 by replacing the current text with the text proposed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Mar/0073.html

PROPOSED RESOLUTION: resolve ISSUE-11 by replacing the current text with the text proposed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Mar/0073.html

10:46:27 <Makx> +q

Makx Dekkers: +q

10:46:37 <PhilA> ack Makx

ack Makx

10:46:54 <PhilA> Makx: I believe that named graphs is still not resolved?

Makx Dekkers: I believe that named graphs is still not resolved?

10:47:23 <PhilA> cygri: It's been in SPARQL for about 5 years and will be in RDF 1.1 as part of the Core. It's going to be a Last Call pretty soon. The named graph part is stable

Richard Cyganiak: It's been in SPARQL for about 5 years and will be in RDF 1.1 as part of the Core. It's going to be a Last Call pretty soon. The named graph part is stable

10:47:44 <PhilA> PhilA: Does this create a dependency on RDF 1.1?

Phil Archer: Does this create a dependency on RDF 1.1?

10:48:26 <PhilA> cygri: It's in line with SPARQL

Richard Cyganiak: It's in line with SPARQL

10:48:31 <PhilA> ... we could point to that

... we could point to that

10:49:16 <PhilA> ... or make it informative

... or make it informative

10:50:35 <PhilA> PhilA: You can refer to SPARQL and 'informatively' to RDF 1.1

Phil Archer: You can refer to SPARQL and 'informatively' to RDF 1.1

10:50:37 <Makx> fine with me

Makx Dekkers: fine with me

10:50:46 <PhilA> cygri: We could refer to SPARQL now and maybe change the reference in future

Richard Cyganiak: We could refer to SPARQL now and maybe change the reference in future

10:51:08 <cygri> PROPOSAL: resolve ISSUE-11 by replacing the current text with the text proposed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Mar/0073.html but refer to SPARQL instead of RDF 1.1 for RDF Dataset and Named Graphs

PROPOSED: resolve ISSUE-11 by replacing the current text with the text proposed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Mar/0073.html but refer to SPARQL instead of RDF 1.1 for RDF Dataset and Named Graphs

10:51:14 <cygri> +1

Richard Cyganiak: +1

10:51:18 <martin_> +1

Martín Álvarez: +1

10:51:20 <PhilA> +1

+1

10:51:25 <atemezin> +1

Ghislain Atemezing: +1

10:51:26 <fadmaa> +1

Fadi Maali: +1

10:51:37 <PhilA> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-11 by replacing the current text with the text proposed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Mar/0073.html but refer to SPARQL instead of RDF 1.1 for RDF Dataset and Named Graphs

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-11 by replacing the current text with the text proposed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Mar/0073.html but refer to SPARQL instead of RDF 1.1 for RDF Dataset and Named Graphs

10:51:51 <cygri> ISSUE-14?

Richard Cyganiak: ISSUE-14?

10:51:51 <trackbot> ISSUE-14 -- add dcat:permanentIdentifier property -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-14 -- add dcat:permanentIdentifier property -- open

10:51:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/14

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/14

10:52:51 <PhilA> cygri: This was raised when we discussed DCAT with people working on federated catalogues - national federation of local and so on

Richard Cyganiak: This was raised when we discussed DCAT with people working on federated catalogues - national federation of local and so on

10:53:08 <Zakim> -cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri

10:53:11 <PhilA> ... you might get the same record from 2 different places. You need a way to say they're the same

... you might get the same record from 2 different places. You need a way to say they're the same

10:53:26 <Makx> +q

Makx Dekkers: +q

10:53:50 <fadmaa> The dcat:permanentIdentifier property conveys a permanent, globally unique identifier for a dataset. When a DCAT description of a dataset is relocated, syndicated, or republished, the contents of the dcat:permanentIdentifier property MUST NOT change. In other words, the identifier pertains to any occurrence of this same dataset in any catalog, even where dataset descriptions may be exchanged between catalogs and the dataset IRI may change in the process.  The value

Fadi Maali: The dcat:permanentIdentifier property conveys a permanent, globally unique identifier for a dataset. When a DCAT description of a dataset is relocated, syndicated, or republished, the contents of the dcat:permanentIdentifier property MUST NOT change. In other words, the identifier pertains to any occurrence of this same dataset in any catalog, even where dataset descriptions may be exchanged between catalogs and the dataset IRI may change in the process. The value

10:53:53 <PhilA> ack Makx

ack Makx

10:55:00 <Zakim> +??P5

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5

10:55:06 <cygri> zakim, ??P5 is me

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, ??P5 is me

10:55:06 <Zakim> +cygri; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it

10:55:41 <PhilA> Makx: We had a situation in Europeana - you;re getting into the issue of whether 2 things re the same that have different URIs

Makx Dekkers: We had a situation in Europeana - you;re getting into the issue of whether 2 things re the same that have different URIs

10:55:48 <PhilA> ... this doesn't do what you were just saying

... this doesn't do what you were just saying

10:56:15 <PhilA> cygri: If you have a network of different catalogues, you end up with 2 copies of the same record

Richard Cyganiak: If you have a network of different catalogues, you end up with 2 copies of the same record

10:56:37 <PhilA> cygri: different catalogues might describe the same thing without any knowledge of the other

Richard Cyganiak: different catalogues might describe the same thing without any knowledge of the other

10:56:39 <PhilA> q+

q+

10:57:21 <PhilA> Makx: So your proposal is about the first catalogue record

Makx Dekkers: So your proposal is about the first catalogue record

10:57:36 <PhilA> Makx: You get into the issue where you need to compare records

Makx Dekkers: You get into the issue where you need to compare records

10:57:48 <PhilA> cygri: Yes, but it's helpful if you know it's the same record, or supposed to be

Richard Cyganiak: Yes, but it's helpful if you know it's the same record, or supposed to be

10:58:36 <PhilA> Makx: Who assigns that permanent ID?

Makx Dekkers: Who assigns that permanent ID?

10:58:57 <atemezin> Not sure I understand this issue..could it be resolved using the provenance info when agregating records in dataset?

Ghislain Atemezing: Not sure I understand this issue..could it be resolved using the provenance info when agregating records in dataset?

10:59:01 <PhilA> cygri: The original owner of the record

Richard Cyganiak: The original owner of the record

10:59:45 <PhilA> rrsagent, generate minutes

rrsagent, generate minutes

10:59:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/08-gld-minutes.html PhilA

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/08-gld-minutes.html PhilA

11:00:28 <fadmaa> permanentIdentifier is particularly helpful for aggregator... it is a propert that should not be changed by the aggregator if it exists in the original data

Fadi Maali: permanentIdentifier is particularly helpful for aggregator... it is a propert that should not be changed by the aggregator if it exists in the original data

11:00:55 <martin_> (I have no particular opinion on this)

Martín Álvarez: (I have no particular opinion on this)

11:00:56 <PhilA> rrsagent, generate minutes

rrsagent, generate minutes

11:00:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/08-gld-minutes.html PhilA

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/08-gld-minutes.html PhilA

11:00:59 <martin_> thanks

Martín Álvarez: thanks

11:01:04 <Zakim> -PhilA

Zakim IRC Bot: -PhilA

11:07:02 <Zakim> -Makx

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Makx

11:07:11 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone?

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is on the phone?

11:07:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see martin_, fadmaa, atemezin, cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see martin_, fadmaa, atemezin, cygri

11:10:21 <Zakim> -cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri

11:10:41 <Zakim> -atemezin

Zakim IRC Bot: -atemezin

11:10:43 <Zakim> -fadmaa

Zakim IRC Bot: -fadmaa

11:10:57 <cygri> sorry, connection dropped again

Richard Cyganiak: sorry, connection dropped again

11:11:02 <cygri> and now i can't call in

Richard Cyganiak: and now i can't call in

11:11:12 <cygri> but we've said everything i guess :-)

Richard Cyganiak: but we've said everything i guess :-)

11:11:15 <cygri> thanks all

Richard Cyganiak: thanks all



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