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Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 24 September 2015

Agenda
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Sao_Paulo#Friday_25th_September
Seen
Adriano Veloso, Annette Greiner, Antoine Isaac, Bart van Leeuwen, Bernadette Farias Loscio, Carlos Laufer, Caroline Burle, Deirdre Lee, Eric Stephan, Giancarlo Guizzardi, Gisele Pappa, Jeremy Debattista, Makx Dekkers, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, Newton Calegari, Peter Winstanley, Phil Archer, Riccardo Albertoni, Seiji Isotani, Sumit Purohit, Unknown AdrianoCesar-InWeb, Vagner Diniz, Wagner Meira Jr., Yaso Córdova
Chair
Deirdre Lee
Scribe
Phil Archer, Yaso Córdova, Giancarlo Guizzardi, Newton Calegari, Caroline Burle, Unknown AdrianoCesar-InWeb, Wagner Meira Jr.
IRC Log
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Resolutions
  1. replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy link
  2. replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy link
  3. Add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations link
  4. Add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations link
  5. dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation. The instances of this class should have one oa:motivatedBy statement with a an instance of oa:Motivation (and skos:Concept), which reflects a quality assessment purpose. We define this instance as dqv:qualityAssessment link
  6. dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation. The instances of this class should have one oa:motivatedBy statement with a an instance of oa:Motivation (and skos:Concept), which reflects a quality assessment purpose. We define this instance as dqv:qualityAssessment link
  7. dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation. The instances of this class should have one oa:motivatedBy statement with a an instance of oa:Motivation (and skos:Concept), which reflects a quality assessment purpose. We define this instance as dqv:qualityAssessment link
  8. rename DQV:UserFeedback with dqv:QualityUserFeedback making it as duv:Feedback subclass link
  9. Don't keep the constraints from DAQ but provide guidelines link
  10. keep dqv as it is, provide guidance on how daq can work with another quality statistics vocabulary link
  11. keep dqv as it is, provide guidance on how daq can work with another quality statistics vocabulary link
  12. Close Issue 164 as previous resolution covers it link
  13. That we include completeness as a quality dimension. That can be defined in any way that puts boundaries around what the data should contain, closes the world etc. link
  14. That we include completeness as a quality dimension. That can be defined in any way that puts boundaries around what the data should contain, closes the world etc. link
  15. That the Best practice on Preserve People's Right to privacy be removed link
  16. That the Best practice on Preserve People's Right to privacy be removed link
  17. That the section on sensitive data be reviewed in the broader scope of the document link
  18. That the section on sensitive data be reviewed in the broader scope of the document link
  19. That Use Standardized Terms be amended to refer to code lists and other commonly used terms. link
  20. That Document vocabularies, Share vocabularies in an open way, Vocabulary versioning be removed from the document. link
  21. That Re-use vocabularies be retained but that it should refer to 'terms or attributes' to broaden the acceptance beyond the LD community link
  22. That Choose the right formalization level be reviewed link
  23. That the definitions of URI, URL and IRI be removed from the draft section 9.7 link
  24. That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout, unless there is a clear reason to use a different term (URL, IRI etc.) link
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11:00:24 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
11:00:24 <trackbot> Date: 24 September 2015
11:00:48 <deirdrelee> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Sao_Paulo#Draft_Agenda
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11:03:13 <Makx> so I understand the problem was that the start time given on the agenda (12:00 Berlin) was in error. I see that 8:00 Sao Paulo is 13:00 CEST.

Makx Dekkers: so I understand the problem was that the start time given on the agenda (12:00 Berlin) was in error. I see that 8:00 Sao Paulo is 13:00 CEST.

11:03:37 <Makx> Some of us were here an hour ago.

Makx Dekkers: Some of us were here an hour ago.

11:03:39 <phila> :-( A thousand apologies Makx

Phil Archer: :-( A thousand apologies Makx

11:03:43 <Caroline_> Hello!

Caroline Burle: Hello!

11:10:23 <antoine> present+ antoine

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Antoine Isaac: present+ antoine

11:10:43 <RiccardoAlbertoni> present+ RiccardoAlbertoni

Riccardo Albertoni: present+ RiccardoAlbertoni

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11:12:18 <Makx> yes, sound is on

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11:13:22 <antoine> present+ antoine

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11:14:11 <deirdrelee> present+ deirdrelee

Deirdre Lee: present+ deirdrelee

11:14:32 <nandana> present+ nandana

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: present+ nandana

11:15:25 <deirdrelee> chair: deirdrelee
11:15:29 <deirdrelee> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Sao_Paulo#Agenda
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11:19:43 <PeterWinstanley_> present+ PeterWinstanley

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11:21:28 <phila> Topic: Welcome

1. Welcome

11:21:44 <phila> deirdrelee: Thanks Nic BR for hosting us and looking after us so well

Deirdre Lee: Thanks Nic BR for hosting us and looking after us so well [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

11:21:49 <phila> ... note the poster!

Phil Archer: ... note the poster!

11:22:05 <phila> deirdrelee: We're at quite a mature stage now. We need to get into the details of the docs

Deirdre Lee: We're at quite a mature stage now. We need to get into the details of the docs [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

11:22:10 <phila> ... we get through a lot at F2F meetings

Phil Archer: ... we get through a lot at F2F meetings

11:22:17 <phila> ... I'm sure these days will be the same.

Phil Archer: ... I'm sure these days will be the same.

11:22:28 <phila> ... We're quite punctual. Set up within 20 mins

Phil Archer: ... We're quite punctual. Set up within 20 mins

11:22:56 <phila> Vagner_Br: Welcome everyone. Pleasure to have Phil and Dee at the conference yesterday

Vagner Diniz: Welcome everyone. Pleasure to have Phil and Dee at the conference yesterday [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

11:23:17 <phila> Vagner_Br: Thanks Brazil team for coming as well

Vagner Diniz: Thanks Brazil team for coming as well [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

11:23:27 <phila> Topic: Data Quality Vocabulary

2. Data Quality Vocabulary

11:23:39 <phila> -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html DQV

Phil Archer: -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html DQV

11:23:42 <deirdrelee> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Sao_Paulo#Friday_25th_September
11:23:49 <phila> deirdrelee: Editors have prepared questions for us all

Deirdre Lee: Editors have prepared questions for us all [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

11:23:51 <deirdrelee> dqv agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DQV

Deirdre Lee: dqv agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DQV

11:24:09 <phila> deirdrelee: Turns over the Antoine and Riccardo

Deirdre Lee: Turns over the Antoine and Riccardo [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

11:24:31 <Vagner_Br> present+ Vagner_Br

Vagner Diniz: present+ Vagner_Br

11:24:33 <RiccardoAlbertoni> sure ..

Riccardo Albertoni: sure ..

11:24:42 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

11:25:23 <RiccardoAlbertoni> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html

Riccardo Albertoni: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html

11:25:25 <phila> antoine: Offers a brief review of the doc at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html

Antoine Isaac: Offers a brief review of the doc at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

11:25:29 <phila> scribe: phila

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11:25:34 <phila> scribeNick: phila
11:25:59 <phila> phila: I really like the intro text

Phil Archer: I really like the intro text

11:26:36 <phila> antoine: A reminder that we're not defining what quality is - rather, we're offering a core framework that can be extended to create their own metadat about the quality of datazsets

Antoine Isaac: A reminder that we're not defining what quality is - rather, we're offering a core framework that can be extended to create their own metadat about the quality of datasets

11:26:48 <phila> s/datazsets/datasets/
11:27:10 <phila> antoine: Idea is to make it easy to compare quality assessments and enhance the interop of these systems

Antoine Isaac: Idea is to make it easy to compare quality assessments and enhance the interop of these systems

11:27:26 <phila> antoine: usual sections on conformance and namespaces

Antoine Isaac: usual sections on conformance and namespaces

11:27:38 <phila> ... Some vocab review, presents the main parts of the vocab

... Some vocab review, presents the main parts of the vocab

11:27:55 <phila> ... RiccardoAlbertoni created this section - very usefeul

... RiccardoAlbertoni created this section - very usefeul

11:28:25 <phila> ... the Datasets class is the subject of any description. Below and around that are the different aspects of quality that we've identified so far

... the Datasets class is the subject of any description. Below and around that are the different aspects of quality that we've identified so far

11:31:31 <phila> antoine: Top class is the class for dcat:Datastet or dcat:Distribution

Antoine Isaac: Top class is the class for dcat:Datastet or dcat:Distribution

11:31:42 <phila> ... on the left is the part about quality measures

... on the left is the part about quality measures

11:31:59 <phila> ... not so much inspired as copied from DAQ

... not so much inspired as copied from DAQ

11:32:18 <phila> ... the middle part - there are a couple of classes about aggregations

... the middle part - there are a couple of classes about annotations

11:32:26 <phila> s/aggregations/annotations/
11:32:33 <phila> ... this is an area for discussion later

... this is an area for discussion later

11:32:48 <phila> ... on the right is the part about conformance

... on the right is the part about conformance

11:33:00 <phila> ... we'll have discussions later about conforming to certain standards

... we'll have discussions later about conforming to certain standards

11:33:11 <phila> ... and we're not sure how to indicate that an SLA is available

... and we're not sure how to indicate that an SLA is available

11:33:19 <phila> ... so these are the core elements of hte model

... so these are the core elements of hte model

11:33:34 <phila> ... The dotted line are about representing provenance

... The dotted line are about representing provenance

11:33:51 <phila> ... this has been discussed on the mailing list. We re-use Prov of course but there is some discussion about containment

... this has been discussed on the mailing list. We re-use Prov of course but there is some discussion about containment

11:34:26 <phila> q+

q+

11:34:36 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

11:34:37 <phila> ack me

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11:36:06 <phila> phila: Clarified the different divisons

Phil Archer: Clarified the different divisons

11:36:18 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

11:36:22 <phila> antoine: There's an open nquestion on what role Prov should play, how does that relate to quality

Antoine Isaac: There's an open nquestion on what role Prov should play, how does that relate to quality

11:36:40 <phila> ... one aspect of prov is the prov of the quality metadata

... one aspect of prov is the prov of the quality metadata

11:36:52 <phila> ... this is important but that's at a different meta level

... this is important but that's at a different meta level

11:36:57 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio

Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio

11:37:13 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Is the quality annotation done by the publisher?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Is the quality annotation done by the publisher?

11:37:18 <phila> antoine: It can be, or the data re-users

Antoine Isaac: It can be, or the data re-users

11:37:26 <phila> ... this will be a topic for future work

... this will be a topic for future work

11:37:33 <phila> ... which will go hand in hand with DUV

... which will go hand in hand with DUV

11:37:54 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Yes, if it's given by the consumer then it's related to the usage, where we have methods for feedbacl

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Yes, if it's given by the consumer then it's related to the usage, where we have methods for feedback

11:37:56 <phila> antoine: Yes.

Antoine Isaac: Yes.

11:38:03 <phila> ... That's the a good transition

... That's the a good transition

11:38:37 <phila> ... You can see that one of the first issues for DQV is the relationship/overlap with DUV

... You can see that one of the first issues for DQV is the relationship/overlap with DUV

11:38:50 <phila> ... that's scheduled later in the agendaq

... that's scheduled later in the agenda

11:38:53 <WagnerMeiraJr> q+

Wagner Meira Jr.: q+

11:39:11 <deirdrelee> ack WagnerMeiraJr

Deirdre Lee: ack WagnerMeiraJr

11:39:21 <phila> WagnerMeiraJr: It seems that you're considering quantitative measure.

Wagner Meira Jr.: It seems that you're considering quantitative measure.

11:39:42 <phila> ... I've seen this done - is that a parallel path?

... I've seen this done - is that a parallel path?

11:40:03 <phila> antoine: This is a good point. Right now, the point about measures is quantitative.

Antoine Isaac: This is a good point. Right now, the point about measures is quantitative.

11:40:25 <phila> ... This comes from the DAQ vocabulary that we've re-used.

... This comes from the DAQ vocabulary that we've re-used.

11:41:04 <phila> ... I'm not clear how to add a qualitative measure. That could be seen as an annotation unless there's a clear example of how to make it more structured

... I'm not clear how to add a qualitative measure. That could be seen as an annotation unless there's a clear example of how to make it more structured

11:41:20 <phila> ... A problem that we face is that we don't have a lot of examples

... A problem that we face is that we don't have a lot of examples

11:41:29 <phila> ... so please if you know if any, please provide them

... so please if you know if any, please provide them

11:42:02 <phila> WagnerMeiraJr: One example - in info retrieval. If you have a live experiemnt witrh users evaluating text, you give them a set of possible responses (like sentiment analysis)

Wagner Meira Jr.: One example - in info retrieval. If you have a live experiemnt with users evaluating text, you give them a set of possible responses (like sentiment analysis)

11:42:16 <phila> ... and you're measuring how the dataset matches expectations

... and you're measuring how the dataset matches expectations

11:42:25 <phila> ... and benchmarks

... and benchmarks

11:42:34 <phila> ... I can collect some examples and send them to the group

... I can collect some examples and send them to the group

11:42:45 <phila> antoine: So you mean things like 5 star scales

Antoine Isaac: So you mean things like 5 star scales

11:42:51 <phila> WagnerMeiraJr: Yes.

Wagner Meira Jr.: Yes.

11:43:01 <phila> antoine: If you coulr write that up it would be very helpful

Antoine Isaac: If you could write that up it would be very helpful

11:43:15 <deirdrelee> s/coulr/could
11:43:21 <phila> antoine: Is a scale quantitative or qualitative? - that's a question

Antoine Isaac: Is a scale quantitative or qualitative? - that's a question

11:43:51 <phila> antoine: Probbaly not a good idea to enter deep discussion on this as we've not considered it. So examples would be very helpful so that we can see where they fit in the model.

Antoine Isaac: Probbaly not a good idea to enter deep discussion on this as we've not considered it. So examples would be very helpful so that we can see where they fit in the model.

11:43:55 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

11:43:56 <Vagner_Br> s/witrh/with
11:44:17 <deirdrelee> ack laufer

Deirdre Lee: ack laufer

11:44:24 <Vagner_Br> s/agendaq/agenda
11:44:27 <phila> action meira to collect examples of qualitative feedback and send them to the group, including 5 star scales

action meira to collect examples of qualitative feedback and send them to the group, including 5 star scales

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11:44:34 <phila> action wagner to collect examples of qualitative feedback and send them to the group, including 5 star scales

action wagner to collect examples of qualitative feedback and send them to the group, including 5 star scales

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11:44:55 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

11:45:03 <phila> laufer: Raises issue of metadata about different distributions of hte same dataset

Carlos Laufer: Raises issue of metadata about different distributions of the same dataset

11:45:10 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q-

Riccardo Albertoni: q-

11:45:33 <phila> antoine: I'm tempted to ask you to raisde that later as it's very specific. I don't want to skip it, but from the perspective of the discussion process I'd like to continue the agenda

Antoine Isaac: I'm tempted to ask you to raise that later as it's very specific. I don't want to skip it, but from the perspective of the discussion process I'd like to continue the agenda

11:45:40 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes

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11:45:43 <Vagner_Br> s/feedbacl/feedback
11:46:18 <phila> regrets+ Hadley, Steve

regrets+ Hadley, Steve

11:46:21 <RiccardoAlbertoni> i am taking a note

Riccardo Albertoni: i am taking a note

11:46:48 <phila> antoine: What I want to go on to is not so exciting... section 1 is the standard text about defining the various classes and properties in the model

Antoine Isaac: What I want to go on to is not so exciting... section 1 is the standard text about defining the various classes and properties in the model

11:47:10 <phila> ... It's currently organised by classes, and then the properties that can typically be applied to this class.

... It's currently organised by classes, and then the properties that can typically be applied to this class.

11:47:29 <phila> ... This is a little different from some vocabs where all the classes are grouped together and then the properties.

... This is a little different from some vocabs where all the classes are grouped together and then the properties.

11:47:36 <Vagner_Br> s/hte/the
11:47:40 <phila> ... If you think that's not a good way to proceed then please say so.

... If you think that's not a good way to proceed then please say so.

11:47:48 <phila> ... otherwise I won't dive into all these tables.

... otherwise I won't dive into all these tables.

11:47:56 <phila> ... they just reflect the detailed discussions that we've had

... they just reflect the detailed discussions that we've had

11:48:20 <phila> ... The tables just reflect what the RDFS/OWL definitions will be

... The tables just reflect what the RDFS/OWL definitions will be

11:48:45 <phila> ... Section 6 is the example stuff I was mentioning before. We have a general framework so we think it's important to provide examples.

... Section 6 is the example stuff I was mentioning before. We have a general framework so we think it's important to provide examples.

11:48:49 <Vagner_Br> s/raisde/raise
11:49:13 <phila> antoine: It's not as complete as it could be so we'll keep on asking for more examples

Antoine Isaac: It's not as complete as it could be so we'll keep on asking for more examples

11:49:29 <phila> ... There's only so much that we can create ourselves.

... There's only so much that we can create ourselves.

11:49:40 <phila> ... It's good if we can put in real info from real use cases.

... It's good if we can put in real info from real use cases.

11:51:00 <phila> ... In 6.3 and 4 we see the difficlty about Prov that I mentioned earlier. There's the prov of the annotation and the prov of the dataset

... In 6.3 and 4 we see the difficlty about Prov that I mentioned earlier. There's the prov of the annotation and the prov of the dataset

11:51:11 <phila> ... this will overlap with the BP doc probably.

... this will overlap with the BP doc probably.

11:51:29 <phila> ... We want to include an example of a certificate (e.g. from the ODI)

... We want to include an example of a certificate (e.g. from the ODI)

11:52:11 <phila> ... and finally something about quality of a linkset. Things published separately - e.g. aligning with SKOS concepts and we want to say something about that.

... and finally something about quality of a linkset. Things published separately - e.g. aligning with SKOS concepts and we want to say something about that.

11:52:33 <phila> q+ to make a suggestion about examples

q+ to make a suggestion about examples

11:52:54 <phila> antoine: We don't want to tell people what quality is but we want others to share their notion of quality

Antoine Isaac: We don't want to tell people what quality is but we want others to share their notion of quality

11:53:02 <phila> ... so we'#re providing the framework for that.

... so we're providing the framework for that.

11:53:10 <phila> s/we'#re/we're/
11:53:17 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

11:53:17 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to make a suggestion about examples

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11:53:17 <phila> ack me

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11:54:09 <phila> phila: Suggests using the next publication as a trigger to get new examples

Phil Archer: Suggests using the next publication as a trigger to get new examples

11:54:42 <phila> antoine: Can we note an action on the editors to add such a note to the doc

Antoine Isaac: Can we note an action on the editors to add such a note to the doc

11:55:03 <phila> action: antoine to add note to DQV document seeking examples from external reviewers

ACTION: antoine to add note to DQV document seeking examples from external reviewers

11:55:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-201 - Add note to dqv document seeking examples from external reviewers [on Antoine Isaac - due 2015-10-01].

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11:55:22 <phila> antoine: So back to section 7 - hints for dimensions and metrics

Antoine Isaac: So back to section 7 - hints for dimensions and metrics

11:55:32 <phila> ... this refers to the use cases and elements that we have

... this refers to the use cases and elements that we have

11:55:40 <phila> ... need to come back to this with Riccardo

... need to come back to this with Riccardo

11:55:58 <phila> ... Main areas that we want t explore are the ones raised by various contributuions to the WG.

... Main areas that we want t explore are the ones raised by various contributuions to the WG.

11:56:25 <phila> ... Ideally we want examples relevant to all the elements in section 7

... Ideally we want examples relevant to all the elements in section 7

11:57:02 <phila> antoine: The last section of the doc is the one that lists the requirements that we elicited previously. It's a motivation section.

Antoine Isaac: The last section of the doc is the one that lists the requirements that we elicited previously. It's a motivation section.

11:57:58 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

11:58:19 <phila> deirdrelee: Is it worth going back to the UCR at this stage?

Deirdre Lee: Is it worth going back to the UCR at this stage?

11:58:26 <phila> ... might that give us more examples do you think?

... might that give us more examples do you think?

11:58:37 <deirdrelee> ack me

Deirdre Lee: ack me

11:58:54 <phila> antoine: What do you have in mind?

Antoine Isaac: What do you have in mind?

11:59:00 <nandana> http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#requirements-for-quality-and-granularity-description-vocabulary

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#requirements-for-quality-and-granularity-description-vocabulary

11:59:16 <phila> deirdrelee: Maybe update the UCR based on the examples that come in?

Deirdre Lee: Maybe update the UCR based on the examples that come in?

11:59:42 <antoine> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Quality_Aspects_In_Use_Cases

Antoine Isaac: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Quality_Aspects_In_Use_Cases

11:59:45 <phila> antoine: In principle it makes sense but many of the use cases are very general. In the previous phase of work, we analysed each use case to see what they had about quality

Antoine Isaac: In principle it makes sense but many of the use cases are very general. In the previous phase of work, we analysed each use case to see what they had about quality

12:00:06 <phila> ... Many of the UCs are too general to get some example from there without going to back to each UC owner

... Many of the UCs are too general to get some example from there without going to back to each UC owner

12:01:25 <phila> antoine: Only hesitation is the amount of work involved

Antoine Isaac: Only hesitation is the amount of work involved

12:01:34 <phila> ... maybe that's a discussion for later?

... maybe that's a discussion for later?

12:01:43 <phila> deirdrelee: OK, let's go ahead with the next point on your agenda

Deirdre Lee: OK, let's go ahead with the next point on your agenda

12:02:06 <phila> antoine: Any comments on the doc overall?

Antoine Isaac: Any comments on the doc overall?

12:02:11 <phila> phila: I like it

Phil Archer: I like it

12:02:25 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

12:02:28 <nandana> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

12:02:38 <phila> deirdrelee: I think the doc looks very strong. There's a logical flow to it, I think it's def in the right direction and it will be very useful

Deirdre Lee: I think the doc looks very strong. There's a logical flow to it, I think it's def in the right direction and it will be very useful

12:03:13 <phila> antoine: Then we shouodl get into the very specific issues

Antoine Isaac: Then we shouodl get into the very specific issues

12:03:26 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ok

Riccardo Albertoni: ok

12:03:37 <phila> antoine hands over to Riccardo to go through the issues

antoine hands over to Riccardo to go through the issues

12:03:50 <phila> RiccardoAlbertoni: So we can start with the first issue

Riccardo Albertoni: So we can start with the first issue

12:03:56 <phila> issue-184?

ISSUE-184?

12:03:56 <trackbot> issue-184 -- Is an dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement a kind of certificate, or a standard? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-184 -- Is an dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement a kind of certificate, or a standard? -- open

12:03:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/184

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/184

12:03:56 <RiccardoAlbertoni> issue-184?

Riccardo Albertoni: ISSUE-184?

12:03:56 <trackbot> issue-184 -- Is an dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement a kind of certificate, or a standard? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-184 -- Is an dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement a kind of certificate, or a standard? -- open

12:03:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/184

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/184

12:05:00 <phila> RiccardoAlbertoni: It's current defined as a kind of standard. One part of the discussion is whether this is right or is it a certificate

Riccardo Albertoni: It's current defined as a kind of standard. One part of the discussion is whether this is right or is it a certificate

12:05:26 <phila> ... Some have said that an SLA is neither. It's a collection of promises

... Some have said that an SLA is neither. It's a collection of promises

12:05:42 <phila> ... So it seems to me that an SLA is quite a complex thing.

... So it seems to me that an SLA is quite a complex thing.

12:05:56 <phila> ... There have been 2 proposals. 1 - keep it as a kind of document

... There have been 2 proposals. 1 - keep it as a kind of document

12:06:20 <phila> ... or model it using entities

... or model it using entities

12:06:38 <PeterWinstanley> present+ PeterWinstanley

Peter Winstanley: present+ PeterWinstanley

12:07:08 <phila> RiccardoAlbertoni: Christophe suggested modelling it as a doc, Antoine suggetsed modelling it along the ODRL model

Riccardo Albertoni: Christophe suggested modelling it as a doc, Antoine suggetsed modelling it along the ODRL model

12:07:54 <phila> q+

q+

12:07:59 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

12:08:10 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

12:08:11 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

12:08:40 <phila> ack me

ack me

12:08:49 <phila> phila: ASks for clarification of poss use of ODRL

Phil Archer: ASks for clarification of poss use of ODRL

12:08:59 <RiccardoAlbertoni> there is a lot of echo ..

Riccardo Albertoni: there is a lot of echo ..

12:08:59 <phila> ... they express things like licensing statements

... they express things like licensing statements

12:09:11 <nandana> +q to comment why ODRL might be useful

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +q to comment why ODRL might be useful

12:09:28 <phila> ... It can fit pretty much any sort of agreement between parties, so we could see an SLA as an instance of that

... It can fit pretty much any sort of agreement between parties, so we could see an SLA as an instance of that

12:09:43 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio

Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio

12:10:03 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

12:10:08 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: maybe I missed something, it;s not clear for me, why do you need this SLA info. Will you use it to calculate sometehing?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: maybe I missed something, it;s not clear for me, why do you need this SLA info. Will you use it to calculate sometehing?

12:10:39 <phila> RiccardoAlbertoni: The idea is that the SLA tells you how reliable the service is

Riccardo Albertoni: The idea is that the SLA tells you how reliable the service is

12:10:52 <phila> ... so it's related to hte quality

... so it's related to hte quality

12:10:59 <PeterWinstanley> q+

Peter Winstanley: q+

12:11:35 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: OK... but for the dataset...

Bernadette Farias Loscio: OK... but for the dataset...

12:11:54 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

12:12:08 <phila> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

12:12:12 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

12:12:42 <phila> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: There is a lot of work on this. An SLA is a type of social contract. These can be understood as aggregations of commitments and claims.

Giancarlo Guizzardi: There is a lot of work on this. An SLA is a type of social contract. These can be understood as aggregations of commitments and claims.

12:13:11 <phila> ... This would be an interesting way to look at this. For example, partial satisfaction of a SLA might be met

... This would be an interesting way to look at this. For example, partial satisfaction of a SLA might be met

12:13:21 <phila> ... I can include some refs to work in this area.

... I can include some refs to work in this area.

12:13:32 <phila> q+ to weild Occam's Razor

q+ to weild Occam's Razor

12:13:40 <phila> ack nan

ack nan

12:13:40 <Zakim> nandana, you wanted to comment why ODRL might be useful

Zakim IRC Bot: nandana, you wanted to comment why ODRL might be useful

12:14:09 <phila> nandana: My first comment matches Bernadette, are there use cases that motivate its inclusion?

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: My first comment matches Bernadette, are there use cases that motivate its inclusion?

12:14:38 <phila> nandana: I think ODRL can express commitments clearly

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: I think ODRL can express commitments clearly

12:14:50 <deirdrelee> action Giancarlo_Guizzardi to share examples around service level agreement activity

Deirdre Lee: action Giancarlo_Guizzardi to share examples around service level agreement activity

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12:14:58 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

12:15:07 <deirdrelee> action Giancaro to share examples around service level agreement activity

Deirdre Lee: action Giancaro to share examples around service level agreement activity

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12:15:18 <deirdrelee> action Giancarlo to share examples around service level agreement activity

Deirdre Lee: action Giancarlo to share examples around service level agreement activity

12:15:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-202 - Share examples around service level agreement activity [on Giancarlo Guizzardi - due 2015-10-01].

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12:15:26 <phila> http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#UC-OKFNTransport and http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#UC-RDESC both ask for SLAs

http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#UC-OKFNTransport and http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#UC-RDESC both ask for SLAs

12:16:09 <phila> antoine: My approach to this is there are aspects of quality that everyone agrees are important. Something like the fact that a dataset is refreshed every week

Antoine Isaac: My approach to this is there are aspects of quality that everyone agrees are important. Something like the fact that a dataset is refreshed every week

12:16:11 <nandana> another ontology that defines SLAs http://ontology.it/itsmo/v1/itsmo.html#term_SLA

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: another ontology that defines SLAs http://ontology.it/itsmo/v1/itsmo.html#term_SLA

12:16:20 <Makx> +q

Makx Dekkers: +q

12:16:30 <phila> antoine:  So you can measure that, and you might express it in an ODI Certificate

Antoine Isaac: So you can measure that, and you might express it in an ODI Certificate

12:16:37 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> In the following Core Ontology of Services, we address the use of Service Offerings in terms of social commitments and claims. This might be relevant in this context: http://www.inf.ufes.br/~gguizzardi/UFO-S.pdf

Giancarlo Guizzardi: In the following Core Ontology of Services, we address the use of Service Offerings in terms of social commitments and claims. This might be relevant in this context: http://www.inf.ufes.br/~gguizzardi/UFO-S.pdf

12:16:46 <phila> ... We can represent this in the mode in several ways

... We can represent this in the mode in several ways

12:17:13 <phila> ... We don't want to close the door to one way or another. For some people, info that data is udated every week is all they need to know/.

... We don't want to close the door to one way or another. For some people, info that data is udated every week is all they need to know/.

12:17:18 <deirdrelee> ack laufer

Deirdre Lee: ack laufer

12:17:54 <phila> laufer: taking the example of a Distribution. We have the dataset itself and we have the service of providing this data.

Carlos Laufer: taking the example of a Distribution. We have the dataset itself and we have the service of providing this data.

12:18:38 <deirdrelee> ack PeterWinstanley

Deirdre Lee: ack PeterWinstanley

12:18:41 <phila> ... it's confusing to know what we're talking about (what's the subject of the triple)

... it's confusing to know what we're talking about (what's the subject of the triple)

12:18:42 <antoine> q-

Antoine Isaac: q-

12:19:04 <phila> PeterWinstanley: SLAs require an agreement between parties. So if we're talking about open data there's only one side

Peter Winstanley: SLAs require an agreement between parties. So if we're talking about open data there's only one side

12:19:25 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

12:19:37 <phila> ... secondly, if you begin to have the level of detail required in ODRL - I can see a lot of organisations who would pass it to the legal department... for a long time

... secondly, if you begin to have the level of detail required in ODRL - I can see a lot of organisations who would pass it to the legal department... for a long time

12:20:05 <phila> ... Danger is getting to a nice vocab that is only useful in a lab

... Danger is getting to a nice vocab that is only useful in a lab

12:20:10 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

12:20:13 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

12:20:13 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to weild Occam's Razor

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to weild Occam's Razor

12:21:31 <deirdrelee> phila: agree with peter. wonders should we use the term SLA as there are two sides,as peter said

Phil Archer: agree with peter. wonders should we use the term SLA as there are two sides,as peter said [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

12:21:51 <PeterWinstanley_> present+ PeterWinstanley

Peter Winstanley: present+ PeterWinstanley

12:22:08 <deirdrelee> ... if a publisher wants to publish a pledge then FOAF could be sufficient

Deirdre Lee: ... if a publisher wants to publish a pledge then FOAF could be sufficient

12:22:16 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

12:22:20 <Caroline_> Present+ Caroline_

Caroline Burle: Present+ Caroline_

12:22:20 <deirdrelee> ack Makx

Deirdre Lee: ack Makx

12:22:31 <phila> Makx: We might be mixing up things here. An SLA is a promise or a pledge, it doesn't say anything about the quality of the data

Makx Dekkers: We might be mixing up things here. An SLA is a promise or a pledge, it doesn't say anything about the quality of the data

12:22:48 <phila> ... If I say I'm going to update it every day and trhen I don't, that's confusing

... If I say I'm going to update it every day and trhen I don't, that's confusing

12:22:54 <deirdrelee> ack antoine

Deirdre Lee: ack antoine

12:22:55 <phila> ... an SLA doesn't talk about quality

... an SLA doesn't talk about quality

12:23:02 <phila> antoine: Lots of points to answer there.

Antoine Isaac: Lots of points to answer there.

12:23:09 <phila> ... start with the last first

... start with the last first

12:23:26 <phila> ... Yes, an SLA is not a measure of quality, but it is useful info to potential users

... Yes, an SLA is not a measure of quality, but it is useful info to potential users

12:23:31 <Makx> +1 to antoine

Makx Dekkers: +1 to antoine

12:23:39 <phila> ... an annotation might say nothing about quality either

... an annotation might say nothing about quality either

12:23:42 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

12:23:56 <phila> ... it depends omn the provenance whether you can assess these things

... it depends omn the provenance whether you can assess these things

12:24:09 <phila> ... I don't think an SLA will solve all quality issues.

... I don't think an SLA will solve all quality issues.

12:24:36 <phila> antoine: To Peter on ODRL, the risk of adding sometehing that is too complex. I wouldn't suggest that we go through ODRL and include it here.

Antoine Isaac: To Peter on ODRL, the risk of adding sometehing that is too complex. I wouldn't suggest that we go through ODRL and include it here.

12:25:11 <phila> ... If there is a community that thinks it's good to expfess these pledges, then people should be entitled to do this. It's finding the most flexible way to makr this happen.

... If there is a community that thinks it's good to expfess these pledges, then people should be entitled to do this. It's finding the most flexible way to makr this happen.

12:25:29 <phila> ... I think we're not on very stable ground and I'm wary of closing doors.

... I think we're not on very stable ground and I'm wary of closing doors.

12:26:04 <phila> deirdrelee: I agree that the SLA is about the service, not the data, but could be describe the presence of an SLA as a quality metric. So the metric would be - is an SLA present?

Deirdre Lee: I agree that the SLA is about the service, not the data, but could be describe the presence of an SLA as a quality metric. So the metric would be - is an SLA present?

12:26:12 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

12:26:13 <phila> ... which speaks to the relaibility

... which speaks to the relaibility

12:26:17 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q-

Riccardo Albertoni: q-

12:26:18 <jerdeb> 100% agree with deirdre here

Jeremy Debattista: 100% agree with deirdre here

12:26:26 <phila> ... SO we cojld put that in one of the examples without it being explicitly in the model.

... SO we cojld put that in one of the examples without it being explicitly in the model.

12:26:28 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

12:26:28 <deirdrelee> ack me

Deirdre Lee: ack me

12:26:49 <phila> antoine: In this case, i'd consider adding the SLA/Pledge as a sort of annotation rather than a metirc

Antoine Isaac: In this case, i'd consider adding the SLA/Pledge as a sort of annotation rather than a metirc

12:27:00 <phila> ... something in the same area as the certificates

... something in the same area as the certificates

12:27:19 <jerdeb> present+ jerdeb

Jeremy Debattista: present+ jerdeb

12:27:24 <phila> ... The question was whether an SLA is a certificate or a standard. Now it looks like we want to move it to a third place.

... The question was whether an SLA is a certificate or a standard. Now it looks like we want to move it to a third place.

12:27:27 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

12:27:33 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

12:27:38 <deirdrelee> ack antoine

Deirdre Lee: ack antoine

12:27:49 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

12:27:56 <phila> RiccardoAlbertoni: I see there are opther people who want to say womthing about this. But I wonder if we're at the point where we can make a proposal

Riccardo Albertoni: I see there are opther people who want to say womthing about this. But I wonder if we're at the point where we can make a proposal

12:28:05 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

12:28:10 <deirdrelee> ack RiccardoAlbertoni

Deirdre Lee: ack RiccardoAlbertoni

12:28:16 <phila> ... we are not sure if an SLA is a measuer of quality bnut we don't want to close the door to useful information

... we are not sure if an SLA is a measuer of quality bnut we don't want to close the door to useful information

12:29:29 <BernadetteLoscio> we had a long discussion about SLA during the F2F at Santa Clara

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we had a long discussion about SLA during the F2F at Santa Clara

12:29:31 <BernadetteLoscio> http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-irc#T18-11-17

Bernadette Farias Loscio: http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-irc#T18-11-17

12:29:31 <phila> ... I'd like to suggest we try and answer a specific question. We have annotations, standards, etc. We want to leave things flexible.

... I'd like to suggest we try and answer a specific question. We have annotations, standards, etc. We want to leave things flexible.

12:30:34 <phila> deirdrelee: I think you're raising an important issue wrt to timing. So I'll start timing things.

Deirdre Lee: I think you're raising an important issue wrt to timing. So I'll start timing things.

12:30:45 <phila> ack next

ack next

12:31:43 <phila> laufer: I think it's importsant that SLA is important but we need to be clear. We have the provenance about the metadata, and then about the data etc.

Carlos Laufer: I think it's importsant that SLA is important but we need to be clear. We have the provenance about the metadata, and then about the data etc.

12:31:48 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

12:31:59 <phila> ... WE have meta meta data

... WE have meta meta data

12:32:01 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio

Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio

12:32:37 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: During the F2F at Santa Clara we discussed SLAs and thought it was probably the wrong term. It's good to look back at that discussion

Bernadette Farias Loscio: During the F2F at Santa Clara we discussed SLAs and thought it was probably the wrong term. It's good to look back at that discussion

12:32:47 <phila> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

12:32:48 <yaso> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

Yaso Córdova: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

12:33:17 <phila> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: I think it's useful to have a sort of commitment. When an entity makes a commitment, that's a potential reason for using a dataset.

Giancarlo Guizzardi: I think it's useful to have a sort of commitment. When an entity makes a commitment, that's a potential reason for using a dataset.

12:33:28 <phila> ... I'm still puzzled by the use of the word service.

... I'm still puzzled by the use of the word service.

12:33:45 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

12:33:55 <phila> ... If there is no social contract then even an SLA commitment might be better.

... If there is no social contract then even an SLA commitment might be better.

12:34:19 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

12:34:30 <phila> ... Sorry if ontologists have strange concepts sometimes. Whewn you make a pledge, you generally have in mind someone who will receive that commitment.

... Sorry if ontologists have strange concepts sometimes. Whewn you make a pledge, you generally have in mind someone who will receive that commitment.

12:34:34 <phila> ... Who has the claim here?

... Who has the claim here?

12:34:46 <yaso> ack antoine

Yaso Córdova: ack antoine

12:35:02 <phila> antoine: maybe the erminology is the problem.

Antoine Isaac: maybe the terminology is the problem.

12:35:26 <phila> antoine: Would the term policy, as defined by ODRL, be applicable

Antoine Isaac: Would the term policy, as defined by ODRL, be applicable

12:35:33 <deirdrelee> s/erminology/terminology
12:35:57 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Do we have a link to the definition ?

Riccardo Albertoni: Do we have a link to the definition ?

12:36:04 <nandana> http://www.w3.org/ns/odrl/2/#term-Policy

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: http://www.w3.org/ns/odrl/2/#term-Policy

12:37:23 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

12:37:44 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

12:37:47 <Makx> dct:conformsTo

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12:37:49 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q-

Riccardo Albertoni: q-

12:37:54 <antoine> q-

Antoine Isaac: q-

12:37:58 <antoine> Makx++

Antoine Isaac: Makx++

12:38:33 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

12:39:03 <deirdrelee> ack antoine

Deirdre Lee: ack antoine

12:39:15 <phila> antoine: I agree with Phil that it's not standard

Antoine Isaac: I agree with Phil that it's not standard

12:39:28 <phila> ... but I really like dcterms:conformsTo as a property

... but I really like dcterms:conformsTo as a property

12:39:30 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

12:39:31 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

12:39:35 <phila> deirdrelee: So is that a proposal

Deirdre Lee: So is that a proposal

12:39:39 <Makx> A basis for comparison; a reference point against which other things can be evaluated

Makx Dekkers: A basis for comparison; a reference point against which other things can be evaluated

12:39:50 <nandana> q+ to ask whether antoine is proposing to use ordl:Policy or to define dqv:Policy instead of dqv:SLA

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: q+ to ask whether antoine is proposing to use ordl:Policy or to define dqv:Policy instead of dqv:SLA

12:39:59 <deirdrelee> ack RiccardoAlbertoni

Deirdre Lee: ack RiccardoAlbertoni

12:40:22 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

12:41:49 <deirdrelee> RiccardoAlbertoni: thinks we should go for a proposal, and we will have an example showing how an SLA is modelled

Riccardo Albertoni: thinks we should go for a proposal, and we will have an example showing how an SLA is modelled [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

12:41:55 <RiccardoAlbertoni> yes

Riccardo Albertoni: yes

12:42:01 <phila> BernadetteLoscio:

Bernadette Farias Loscio:

12:42:06 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio

Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio

12:42:15 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

12:42:30 <phila> If you're going to describe this commitment, maybe you should consider the measure you're going to use to describe the dataset.

If you're going to describe this commitment, maybe you should consider the measure you're going to use to describe the dataset.

12:42:42 <phila> ... The commitment should reflect the quality description

... The commitment should reflect the quality description

12:43:31 <phila> ack nandana

ack nandana

12:43:31 <Zakim> nandana, you wanted to ask whether antoine is proposing to use ordl:Policy or to define dqv:Policy instead of dqv:SLA

Zakim IRC Bot: nandana, you wanted to ask whether antoine is proposing to use ordl:Policy or to define dqv:Policy instead of dqv:SLA

12:44:24 <phila> nandana: At some point I think I understood that we don't want to use the ODRL policy, but maybe we want dqv:Policy which might be a sub class of dcterms:Standard

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: At some point I think I understood that we don't want to use the ODRL policy, but maybe we want dqv:Policy which might be a sub class of dcterms:Standard

12:44:47 <deirdrelee> ack antoine

Deirdre Lee: ack antoine

12:44:55 <phila> antoine: I think we should have just that - dqv:Policy rdfs:subClassOf dcterms:Standard and then an example

Antoine Isaac: I think we should have just that - dqv:Policy rdfs:subClassOf dcterms:Standard and then an example

12:45:10 <BernadetteLoscio> yes!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes!

12:45:17 <phila> antoine: I assume that what Berna has in mind is the dimensions?

Antoine Isaac: I assume that what Berna has in mind is the dimensions?

12:45:21 <nandana> I think antoine said dqv:QualityPolicy

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: I think antoine said dqv:QualityPolicy

12:46:06 <phila> laufer: It's interesting to see the differnet users of he document about the quality. We have the publisher, the consumer, etc.

Carlos Laufer: It's interesting to see the differnet users of he document about the quality. We have the publisher, the consumer, etc.

12:46:14 <phila> ... maybe an intermediary

... maybe an intermediary

12:46:52 <phila> ... Users can make statemetns about the dataset, the service etc. That makes the info complicated

... Users can make statemetns about the dataset, the service etc. That makes the info complicated

12:46:59 <RiccardoAlbertoni> replace the class dvq:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy (subclass of ODRL:policy ?!? ), and check against some  "real" example  if this works for the group

Riccardo Albertoni: replace the class dvq:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy (subclass of ODRL:policy ?!? ), and check against some "real" example if this works for the group

12:47:02 <phila> deirdrelee: Invites Antoine and Riccardo to wrap this up

Deirdre Lee: Invites Antoine and Riccardo to wrap this up

12:47:46 <nandana> dqv:QualityPolicy (subclass of dcterms:Standard)?

Scribe problem: the name 'dqv' does not match any of the 61 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amine Abidi Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Mostafa Elag Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Newton Calegari Peter Winstanley Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yao Tong Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown dqv: QualityPolicy (subclass of dcterms:Standard)? [ Scribe Assist by Nandana Mihindukulasooriya ]

12:48:17 <antoine> Suggested re-write: 1. replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy, subclass of dcterms:Standard and odrl:Policy 2. add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations

Antoine Isaac: Suggested re-write: 1. replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy, subclass of dcterms:Standard and odrl:Policy 2. add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations

12:48:36 <phila> PROPOSED: 1. replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy, subclass of dcterms:Standard and odrl:Policy 2. add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations

PROPOSED: 1. replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy, subclass of dcterms:Standard and odrl:Policy 2. add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations

12:48:55 <phila> PROPOSED: 1. replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy, subclass of dcterms:Standard and odrl:Policy

PROPOSED: 1. replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy, subclass of dcterms:Standard and odrl:Policy

12:49:06 <Makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

12:49:09 <phila> PROPOSED: Add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations

PROPOSED: Add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations

12:49:19 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

12:49:22 <deirdrelee> ack laufer

Deirdre Lee: ack laufer

12:49:23 <phila> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: I was thinking about what luafer said

Giancarlo Guizzardi: I was thinking about what luafer said

12:49:42 <phila> ... We have these differnet relationships between entities around the dataset

... We have these differnet relationships between entities around the dataset

12:50:01 <phila> ... I've made this dataset according to something else, like a quality policy

... I've made this dataset according to something else, like a quality policy

12:50:11 <phila> ... Perhapos there is a general pattern to unify the two vocabs

... Perhapos there is a general pattern to unify the two vocabs

12:50:33 <nandana> +1, we should also investigate a bit about odrl:Policy semantics as the definition didn't say much

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1, we should also investigate a bit about odrl:Policy semantics as the definition didn't say much

12:50:37 <phila> ... You have certain activities... I can use a certain dataset, committing not to do sometehing... differnet roles and activities

... You have certain activities... I can use a certain dataset, committing not to do sometehing... differnet roles and activities

12:51:06 <antoine> ODRL has prohibitions as part of the Policy

Antoine Isaac: ODRL has prohibitions as part of the Policy

12:51:48 <phila> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: Explores various relationships between different actors.

Giancarlo Guizzardi: Explores various relationships between different actors.

12:52:24 <phila> ... The pattern will be the same in DQV and DUV

... The pattern will be the same in DQV and DUV

12:52:42 <phila> RiccardoAlbertoni: Not sure if I understand the proposal of Giancarlo

Riccardo Albertoni: Not sure if I understand the proposal of Giancarlo

12:53:04 <phila> antoine: If people want to represent these things, then that's when they can go and look into ODRL

Antoine Isaac: If people want to represent these things, then that's when they can go and look into ODRL

12:53:20 <phila> ... ODRL includes way to exprfess constraints and prohibitions

... ODRL includes way to exprfess constraints and prohibitions

12:53:36 <phila> ... it might be a good thing to point to odrl:Policy

... it might be a good thing to point to odrl:Policy

12:53:41 <phila> PROPOSED: Replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy, subclass of dcterms:Standard and odrl:Policy

PROPOSED: Replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy, subclass of dcterms:Standard and odrl:Policy

12:53:41 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: 1. replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy, subclass of dcterms:Standard and odrl:Polic

PROPOSED: 1. replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy, subclass of dcterms:Standard and odrl:Policy

12:54:08 <nandana> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

12:54:09 <antoine> s/odrl:Polic/odrl:Policy
12:54:09 <phila> 0 (I don't think dcterms:Standard is right but I defer to Makx)

0 (I don't think dcterms:Standard is right but I defer to Makx)

12:54:10 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

12:54:13 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

12:54:17 <newtonca_> +0

Newton Calegari: +0

12:54:18 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

12:54:18 <BernadetteLoscio> 0

Bernadette Farias Loscio: 0

12:54:22 <Gisele> 0

Gisele Pappa: 0

12:54:44 <PeterWinstanley_> 0

Peter Winstanley: 0

12:54:48 <phila> Splitting the proposal

Splitting the proposal

12:54:50 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy,

PROPOSED: replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy,

12:54:52 <RiccardoAlbertoni> let's split in two..

Riccardo Albertoni: let's split in two..

12:54:58 <phila> +1

+1

12:54:59 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

12:55:00 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +1

Giancarlo Guizzardi: +1

12:55:02 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

12:55:02 <Gisele> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

12:55:03 <nandana> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

12:55:03 <PeterWinstanley_> +1

Peter Winstanley: +1

12:55:04 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

12:55:07 <jerdeb> 0 (i am still not sure about the concept fitting quality metadata - but will give my views after seeing an example)

Jeremy Debattista: 0 (i am still not sure about the concept fitting quality metadata - but will give my views after seeing an example)

12:55:23 <phila> RESOLVED: replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy

RESOLVED: replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy

12:55:41 <phila> RESOLUTION: replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy

RESOLVED: replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy

12:55:41 <deirdrelee>  PROPOSED: dqv:QualityPolicy will be subclass of dcterms:Standard and odrl:Policy

Deirdre Lee: PROPOSED: dqv:QualityPolicy will be subclass of dcterms:Standard and odrl:Policy

12:55:54 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

12:56:05 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: dqv:QualityPolicy will be subclass of dcterms:Standard

PROPOSED: dqv:QualityPolicy will be subclass of dcterms:Standard

12:56:13 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

12:56:16 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

12:56:19 <nandana> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

12:56:21 <phila> +0 Only 0 not -1 because Makx thinks it's right

+0 Only 0 not -1 because Makx thinks it's right

12:56:21 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

12:56:21 <adrianov> +1

Adriano Veloso: +1

12:56:28 <PeterWinstanley_> 0

Peter Winstanley: 0

12:56:35 <BernadetteLoscio> 0

Bernadette Farias Loscio: 0

12:56:39 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> 0

Giancarlo Guizzardi: 0

12:56:47 <Caroline_> Present+ Caroline_

Caroline Burle: Present+ Caroline_

12:57:08 <antoine> we can add a specific ISSUE about this to call for feedback

Antoine Isaac: we can add a specific ISSUE about this to call for feedback

12:57:09 <PeterWinstanley_> policy is not a standard

Peter Winstanley: policy is not a standard

12:57:18 <jerdeb> 0

Jeremy Debattista: 0

12:57:25 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

12:57:37 <phila> +1 to antoine adding it as a specific issue

+1 to antoine adding it as a specific issue

12:57:44 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q-

Riccardo Albertoni: q-

12:58:14 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: 2. add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations

PROPOSED: 2. add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations

12:58:23 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

12:58:24 <nandana> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

12:58:26 <phila> +1

+1

12:58:26 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +1

Giancarlo Guizzardi: +1

12:58:32 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

12:58:32 <Seiji> +1

Seiji Isotani: +1

12:58:32 <jerdeb> +1

Jeremy Debattista: +1

12:58:36 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

12:58:45 <Caroline_> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

12:58:45 <PeterWinstanley_> +1

Peter Winstanley: +1

12:58:47 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

12:58:47 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

12:59:05 <phila> RESOLVED: Add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations

RESOLVED: Add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations

12:59:11 <phila> RESOLUTION: Add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations

RESOLVED: Add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations

12:59:28 <phila> action: riccardo to add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations

ACTION: riccardo to add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations

12:59:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-203 - Add an example with an sla as quality policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations [on Riccardo Albertoni - due 2015-10-01].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-203 - Add an example with an sla as quality policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations [on Riccardo Albertoni - due 2015-10-01].

13:00:33 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

13:00:40 <phila> deirdrelee: Because we doidn't resolve to make it a subclass of dcterms:Standard, I assumed we have not resolved the odrl:Policy issue as wll

Deirdre Lee: Because we didn't resolve to make it a subclass of dcterms:Standard, I assumed we have not resolved the odrl:Policy issue as wll

13:00:45 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q-

Riccardo Albertoni: q-

13:00:55 <phila> s/doid/did/
13:01:01 <phila> issue-185?

ISSUE-185?

13:01:01 <trackbot> issue-185 -- dqv:QualityAnnotation modeling issues -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-185 -- dqv:QualityAnnotation modeling issues -- open

13:01:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/185

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/185

13:01:06 <phila> q?

q?

13:01:23 <phila> RiccardoAlbertoni: That was raised by Antoine.

Riccardo Albertoni: That was raised by Antoine.

13:02:17 <phila> antoine: Actually I;m not si sure what the issue was except a general call for feedback

Antoine Isaac: Actually I;m not si sure what the issue was except a general call for feedback

13:02:58 <phila> antoine: We would recommend that the instances of this class ?? from Open Annotation

Antoine Isaac: We would recommend that the instances of this class ?? from Open Annotation

13:03:29 <phila> ... this was a call for feedback. There has not been a lot of feedback,. so maybe that foodback will come when we look at DUV. For now though I'd say this issue can be closed.

... this was a call for feedback. There has not been a lot of feedback,. so maybe that foodback will come when we look at DUV. For now though I'd say this issue can be closed.

13:03:37 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

13:03:44 <phila> ... If everyone's OK I'd say we could resolve to close.

... If everyone's OK I'd say we could resolve to close.

13:04:07 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

13:04:10 <phila> RiccardoAlbertoni: Just wondering whether motivation should refer to ao SKOS concept - do we need a spedcific taxonomy?

Riccardo Albertoni: Just wondering whether motivation should refer to ao SKOS concept - do we need a spedcific taxonomy?

13:04:20 <deirdrelee> ack RiccardoAlbertoni

Deirdre Lee: ack RiccardoAlbertoni

13:04:24 <phila> q+

q+

13:04:29 <phila> ack an

ack an

13:04:30 <deirdrelee> ack antoine

Deirdre Lee: ack antoine

13:04:40 <nandana> oa:Annotation -> http://www.w3.org/ns/oa#d4e434

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13:04:46 <phila> antoine: My feeling is that we should just show some examples but not represent all possible motivations

Antoine Isaac: My feeling is that we should just show some examples but not represent all possible motivations

13:04:48 <phila> q-

q-

13:05:07 <phila> antoine: One exception might be that the quality dimensions coujld be modelled as motivations - but I'm not sure

Antoine Isaac: One exception might be that the quality dimensions coujld be modelled as motivations - but I'm not sure

13:05:29 <nandana> oa:motivatedBy -> http://www.w3.org/ns/oa#d4e230

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13:05:35 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

13:05:41 <phila> BernadetteLoscio:

Bernadette Farias Loscio:

13:06:01 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio

Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio

13:06:03 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: The issue is the modelling or the usage of hte annotation? It's not clear what is a quality annotation?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: The issue is the modelling or the usage of hte annotation? It's not clear what is a quality annotation?

13:06:12 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

13:06:48 <phila> RiccardoAlbertoni: AIUI, the ontology's vision is that you have to indicate the moitivation for your annotation and that's usually expressed as a SKOS concept.

Riccardo Albertoni: AIUI, the ontology's vision is that you have to indicate the moitivation for your annotation and that's usually expressed as a SKOS concept.

13:06:55 <phila> ... it could be a post or a reply

... it could be a post or a reply

13:06:59 <phila> ... etc.

... etc.

13:07:15 <phila> ... We could have a basic taxonomy?

... We could have a basic taxonomy?

13:07:54 <phila> q+ to ask whether OA defines a taxonomy of motivation

q+ to ask whether OA defines a taxonomy of motivation

13:08:41 <deirdrelee> ack antoine

Deirdre Lee: ack antoine

13:08:57 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi_> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

13:09:11 <phila> antoine: I realised I've not been super clear... the proposal is to have at least one concept defined in our namespace - quality assessment. We can do that easily enough

Antoine Isaac: I realised I've not been super clear... the proposal is to have at least one concept defined in our namespace - quality assessment. We can do that easily enough

13:09:28 <phila> ... and then if they want to define sub concepts of that, OK

... and then if they want to define sub concepts of that, OK

13:09:30 <phila> q-

q-

13:09:36 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ok

Riccardo Albertoni: ok

13:09:43 <phila> ... I think we should just have this one concept

... I think we should just have this one concept

13:09:57 <phila> Giancarlo_Guizzardi_: A comment about the relationship between user feedback and quality annotation

Giancarlo Guizzardi: A comment about the relationship between user feedback and quality annotation

13:09:57 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

13:10:02 <phila> ... user feedback can be about anything

... user feedback can be about anything

13:10:29 <phila> ... maybe the user feedback in data usage is more general than one that makes any statement about quality

... maybe the user feedback in data usage is more general than one that makes any statement about quality

13:10:35 <phila> q- Giancarlo_Guizzardi_

q- Giancarlo_Guizzardi_

13:10:40 <phila> ack laufer

ack laufer

13:10:42 <deirdrelee> ack laufer

Deirdre Lee: ack laufer

13:11:10 <phila> laufer: I don't want to try and define quality, but when we talk about annotation, we can say whether the annotation is quality info or not

Carlos Laufer: I don't want to try and define quality, but when we talk about annotation, we can say whether the annotation is quality info or not

13:11:24 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi_> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

13:11:26 <phila> RRSAgent, darft minutes

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13:11:50 <phila> deirdrelee: Would it make sense 165 and move on to 185?

Deirdre Lee: Would it make sense 165 and move on to 185?

13:11:51 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi_

Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi_

13:12:22 <deirdrelee> close issue-185 and move to issue-165

Deirdre Lee: close ISSUE-185 and move to ISSUE-165

13:12:27 <phila> Giancarlo_Guizzardi_: We could capture what kind of metric/dimension this annotation is about

Giancarlo Guizzardi: We could capture what kind of metric/dimension this annotation is about

13:12:30 <antoine> Giancarlo_Guizzardi++

Antoine Isaac: Giancarlo_Guizzardi++

13:12:38 <antoine> (thought that would be a different issue)

Antoine Isaac: (thought that would be a different issue)

13:12:48 <phila> q+

q+

13:13:02 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

13:13:42 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

13:13:49 <antoine> PROPOSED: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation. The instances of this class should have one oa:motivatedBy statement with a an instance of oa:Motivation (and skos:Concept), which reflects a quality assessment purpose. We define this instance as dqv:qualityAssessment.

PROPOSED: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation. The instances of this class should have one oa:motivatedBy statement with a an instance of oa:Motivation (and skos:Concept), which reflects a quality assessment purpose. We define this instance as dqv:qualityAssessment.

13:13:51 <phila> phila: I like Giancarlo_Guizzardi_'s ideas but they sound like something for hte lab, not the real world.

Phil Archer: I like Giancarlo_Guizzardi_'s ideas but they sound like something for hte lab, not the real world.

13:14:31 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Just a comment - we have the policy that says what is expected, the quality statement by the publisher and the assessment of the user

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Just a comment - we have the policy that says what is expected, the quality statement by the publisher and the assessment of the user

13:14:51 <phila> ... so maybe it would be nice to define everything using the same dimensions

... so maybe it would be nice to define everything using the same dimensions

13:15:31 <phila> q+

q+

13:15:42 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio

Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio

13:15:45 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

13:16:16 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

13:16:39 <deirdrelee> phila: if every instance of the class has a particular property, can't you add that inthedefinition of the class. could you use owl to say that they property oa:motivation exists? otherwise redundent triples

Phil Archer: if every instance of the class has a particular property, can't you add that inthedefinition of the class. could you use owl to say that they property oa:motivation exists? otherwise redundent triples [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

13:16:45 <deirdrelee> ack antoine

Deirdre Lee: ack antoine

13:17:16 <phila> phila: If the same triples are always defined, do we need to state them. Can we do it without having to state those triples every time?

Phil Archer: If the same triples are always defined, do we need to state them. Can we do it without having to state those triples every time?

13:17:27 <phila> antoine: Yes, you define it as an OWN equivalent class with those features

Antoine Isaac: Yes, you define it as an OWL equivalent class with those features

13:17:37 <antoine> s/OWN/OWL
13:17:50 <phila> PROPOSED: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation. The instances of this class should have one oa:motivatedBy statement with a an instance of oa:Motivation (and skos:Concept), which reflects a quality assessment purpose. We define this instance as dqv:qualityAssessment

PROPOSED: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation. The instances of this class should have one oa:motivatedBy statement with a an instance of oa:Motivation (and skos:Concept), which reflects a quality assessment purpose. We define this instance as dqv:qualityAssessment

13:18:08 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

13:18:23 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi_> +1

Giancarlo Guizzardi: +1

13:18:24 <nandana>  +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

13:18:25 <Caroline_> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

13:18:26 <yaso> 0

Yaso Córdova: 0

13:18:26 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

13:18:28 <PeterWinstanley_> 0

Peter Winstanley: 0

13:18:29 <Makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

13:18:34 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

13:18:49 <phila> PROPOSED: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation. The instances of this class should have one oa:motivatedBy statement with a an instance of oa:Motivation (and skos:Concept), which reflects a quality assessment purpose. We define this instance as dqv:qualityAssessment. This will be included in the definition using OWL constructs

13:19:47 <phila> s/PROPOSED: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation. The instances of this class should have one oa:motivatedBy statement with a an instance of oa:Motivation (and skos:Concept), which reflects a quality assessment purpose. We define this instance as dqv:qualityAssessment. This will be included in the definition using OWL constructs//
13:19:50 <phila> +1

+1

13:20:05 <phila> RESOLVED: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation. The instances of this class should have one oa:motivatedBy statement with a an instance of oa:Motivation (and skos:Concept), which reflects a quality assessment purpose. We define this instance as dqv:qualityAssessment

RESOLVED: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation. The instances of this class should have one oa:motivatedBy statement with a an instance of oa:Motivation (and skos:Concept), which reflects a quality assessment purpose. We define this instance as dqv:qualityAssessment

13:20:06 <deirdrelee> RESOLVED: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation. The instances of this class should have one oa:motivatedBy statement with a an instance of oa:Motivation (and skos:Concept), which reflects a quality assessment purpose. We define this instance as dqv:qualityAssessment

RESOLVED: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation. The instances of this class should have one oa:motivatedBy statement with a an instance of oa:Motivation (and skos:Concept), which reflects a quality assessment purpose. We define this instance as dqv:qualityAssessment

13:20:14 <phila> RESOLUTION: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation. The instances of this class should have one oa:motivatedBy statement with a an instance of oa:Motivation (and skos:Concept), which reflects a quality assessment purpose. We define this instance as dqv:qualityAssessment

RESOLVED: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation. The instances of this class should have one oa:motivatedBy statement with a an instance of oa:Motivation (and skos:Concept), which reflects a quality assessment purpose. We define this instance as dqv:qualityAssessment

13:20:29 <phila> == Short Break ==

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13:20:47 <Caroline_> 5min break

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13:20:57 <BernadetteLoscio> dqv:qualityAssessement is defined on the model?

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13:24:05 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Antoine, is there any issues you want to focus in particular .. ?

Riccardo Albertoni: Antoine, is there any issues you want to focus in particular .. ?

13:25:40 <antoine> I think we could try to NOT discuss the provenance issues, which are very technical (181). The voc management ones could be postponed, but I guess they will be naturally as they are at the end :)

Antoine Isaac: I think we could try to NOT discuss the provenance issues, which are very technical (181). The voc management ones could be postponed, but I guess they will be naturally as they are at the end :)

13:26:13 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Ok

Riccardo Albertoni: Ok

13:27:40 <antoine> Riccardo, I think we should focus on 165, 187, 190, 164, 153, and GeoDCAT-AP

Antoine Isaac: Riccardo, I think we should focus on 165, 187, 190, 164, 153, and GeoDCAT-AP

13:27:55 <RiccardoAlbertoni> let's go for the 165 ? which I am afraid will bring lot of discussion ..  what do you think .. and then 187 I think there is a kind of consensus about keep the cardinality between dimension and metric as in DAq so I suppose we can easily close it ..

Riccardo Albertoni: let's go for the 165 ? which I am afraid will bring lot of discussion .. what do you think .. and then 187 I think there is a kind of consensus about keep the cardinality between dimension and metric as in DAq so I suppose we can easily close it ..

13:28:27 <antoine> 165 is needed as per the connection to DUV

Antoine Isaac: 165 is needed as per the connection to DUV

13:29:04 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ok

Riccardo Albertoni: ok

13:29:50 <antoine> 187 may not be so consensual. Actually I had understood that the consensus was rather on not keeping the cardinality from daQ, i.e. relax it.

Antoine Isaac: 187 may not be so consensual. Actually I had understood that the consensus was rather on not keeping the cardinality from daQ, i.e. relax it.

13:30:29 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ok let's go for 165, 187, 190, 164, 153, and GeoDCAT-AP ..

Riccardo Albertoni: ok let's go for 165, 187, 190, 164, 153, and GeoDCAT-AP ..

13:36:20 <yaso> antoine: this is issue 165

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Antoine Isaac: this is ISSUE-165

13:36:27 <deirdrelee> issue-165

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-165

13:36:27 <trackbot> issue-165 -- What is the relation between duv:Feedback and dqv:UserFeedback? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-165 -- What is the relation between duv:Feedback and dqv:UserFeedback? -- open

13:36:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/165

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/165

13:36:34 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/165

http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/165

13:36:36 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

13:37:01 <yaso> antoine: user feedback is a kind of quality annotation

Antoine Isaac: user feedback is a kind of quality annotation

13:37:53 <yaso> q?

q?

13:37:55 <nandana> DUV -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html#Vocab_Overview

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: DUV -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html#Vocab_Overview

13:38:01 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

13:38:40 <yaso> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: things like correction and suggestion

Giancarlo Guizzardi: things like correction and suggestion

13:38:55 <yaso> ... you can say "I don't like this vocab" and etc

... you can say "I don't like this vocab" and etc

13:39:05 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

13:39:10 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

13:39:11 <yaso> ... no all feedback is quality annotation

... no all feedback is quality annotation

13:39:11 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

13:39:12 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

13:39:19 <yaso> ack antoine

ack antoine

13:39:30 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

13:39:43 <yaso> antoine: actually i completely understand what Giancarlo_Guizzardi said

Antoine Isaac: actually i completely understand what Giancarlo_Guizzardi said

13:40:14 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

13:40:24 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to QualityUserFeedback

Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to QualityUserFeedback

13:40:25 <yaso> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: that was going to be my suggestion

Giancarlo Guizzardi: that was going to be my suggestion

13:41:08 <yaso> q?

q?

13:41:33 <deirdrelee> ack laufer

Deirdre Lee: ack laufer

13:41:50 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

13:41:55 <yaso> laufer: my question is to Giancarlo_Guizzardi: if only sometimes feedback are quality information, how can we say that an annotation is a quality information if we don'tlate it to a dimension

Carlos Laufer: my question is to Giancarlo_Guizzardi: if only sometimes feedback are quality information, how can we say that an annotation is a quality information if we don'tlate it to a dimension

13:43:07 <yaso> laufer: yes, but how say to the user that he can or not put this information in this document

Carlos Laufer: yes, but how say to the user that he can or not put this information in this document

13:43:11 <nandana> +q to ask whether it was intentionally left Feedback to cover more things than user feedback? (so instead of using dqv:UserQualityFeedback and use just dqv:QualityFeedback)

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +q to ask whether it was intentionally left Feedback to cover more things than user feedback? (so instead of using dqv:UserQualityFeedback and use just dqv:QualityFeedback)

13:43:17 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

13:43:27 <PeterWinstanley> present+ PeterWinstanley

Peter Winstanley: present+ PeterWinstanley

13:44:01 <yaso> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: I think this has to do with the issue regarding user Feedback

Giancarlo Guizzardi: I think this has to do with the issue regarding user Feedback

13:44:14 <deirdrelee> ack PeterWinstanley

Deirdre Lee: ack PeterWinstanley

13:44:17 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

13:45:12 <yaso> phila: in practice, you might have a CKAN portal, somebody makes use of a dataset - it's hard to get people to fit at your data model

Phil Archer: in practice, you might have a CKAN portal, somebody makes use of a dataset - it's hard to get people to fit at your data model

13:45:34 <yaso> ... if it's a machine that is going to classify your data then you can have a more complicated model

... if it's a machine that is going to classify your data then you can have a more complicated model

13:45:46 <yaso> ... but if otherwise, not

... but if otherwise, not

13:46:21 <yaso> ... we should keep a strong focus on how it will be in a real world, with real application

... we should keep a strong focus on how it will be in a real world, with real application

13:46:30 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio

ack BernadetteLoscio

13:46:57 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: we were discussing if we should have specific types of feedback

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we were discussing if we should have specific types of feedback

13:47:16 <yaso> ... if we want to specify the types of feedback

... if we want to specify the types of feedback

13:47:50 <deirdrelee> ack nandana

Deirdre Lee: ack nandana

13:47:50 <Zakim> nandana, you wanted to ask whether it was intentionally left Feedback to cover more things than user feedback? (so instead of using dqv:UserQualityFeedback and use just

Zakim IRC Bot: nandana, you wanted to ask whether it was intentionally left Feedback to cover more things than user feedback? (so instead of using dqv:UserQualityFeedback and use just

13:47:51 <yaso> ... if we decide that we are going to have just feedback, so it fits the data usage vocab

... if we decide that we are going to have just feedback, so it fits the data usage vocab

13:47:54 <Zakim> ... dqv:QualityFeedback)

Zakim IRC Bot: ... dqv:QualityFeedback)

13:48:11 <yaso> nandana: you said feedback specifically

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: you said feedback specifically

13:49:06 <yaso> ack antoine

ack antoine

13:49:31 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

13:49:48 <BernadetteLoscio> q_

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q_

13:49:58 <nandana> I was just referring to the difference Feedback and *User*Feedback

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: I was just referring to the difference Feedback and *User*Feedback

13:50:47 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: I think we can keep feedback general

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think we can keep feedback general

13:51:11 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Proposal: rename DQV:UserFeedback with dqv:QualityUserFeedback making it as duv:Feedback

PROPOSED: rename DQV:UserFeedback with dqv:QualityUserFeedback making it as duv:Feedback

13:51:44 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: but tomorrow we are going to discuss if we are going to have this subclass, right?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: but tomorrow we are going to discuss if we are going to have this subclass, right?

13:51:56 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> Feedback = UserFeedback (as far as I understand it). You are right that only one of them should be used

Giancarlo Guizzardi: Feedback = UserFeedback (as far as I understand it). You are right that only one of them should be used

13:52:02 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Proposal: rename DQV:UserFeedback with dqv:QualityUserFeedback making it as duv:Feedback subclass

PROPOSED: rename DQV:UserFeedback with dqv:QualityUserFeedback making it as duv:Feedback subclass

13:52:07 <yaso> antoine: right now I don't feel that is incompatible with this decision

Antoine Isaac: right now I don't feel that is incompatible with this decision

13:52:37 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

13:52:43 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio

Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio

13:52:46 <deirdrelee> ack antoine

Deirdre Lee: ack antoine

13:53:00 <yaso> antoine: I like the fact that is from users

Antoine Isaac: I like the fact that is from users

13:53:01 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

13:53:11 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q-

Riccardo Albertoni: q-

13:53:18 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to antoine

Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to antoine

13:53:35 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +1 (terminologically speaking it seems like a good idea)

Giancarlo Guizzardi: +1 (terminologically speaking it seems like a good idea)

13:53:39 <yaso> it will be interesting to keep the user on the label of the class

it will be interesting to keep the user on the label of the class

13:53:55 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> in that case we would have UserFeedback that is specialized in QualityUserFeedback

Giancarlo Guizzardi: in that case we would have UserFeedback that is specialized in QualityUserFeedback

13:53:58 <nandana> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

13:54:01 <yaso> deirdrelee: ok so for now we will keep the user on the class

Deirdre Lee: ok so for now we will keep the user on the class

13:54:06 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> which in turn specializes QualityAnnotation

Giancarlo Guizzardi: which in turn specializes QualityAnnotation

13:54:07 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Proposal: rename DQV:UserFeedback with dqv:QualityUserFeedback making it as duv:Feedback subclass

PROPOSED: rename DQV:UserFeedback with dqv:QualityUserFeedback making it as duv:Feedback subclass

13:54:11 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

13:54:13 <yaso> .... and in terms of ricardo's proposal

.... and in terms of ricardo's proposal

13:54:13 <Seiji> +1

Seiji Isotani: +1

13:54:21 <jerdeb> +1

Jeremy Debattista: +1

13:54:23 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

13:54:23 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

13:54:43 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

13:54:45 <yaso> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: I guess that if we agree with antoine, feedback should be userFeedback

Giancarlo Guizzardi: I guess that if we agree with antoine, feedback should be UserFeedback

13:54:57 <RiccardoAlbertoni> yeah please

Riccardo Albertoni: yeah please

13:54:58 <yaso> s/userFeedback/UserFeedback
13:55:00 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> rename DQV:UserFeedback with dqv:QualityUserFeedback making it as duv:UserFeedback subclass

Giancarlo Guizzardi: rename DQV:UserFeedback with dqv:QualityUserFeedback making it as duv:UserFeedback subclass

13:55:13 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

13:55:30 <adrianov> +1

Adriano Veloso: +1

13:55:33 <deirdrelee> ack antoine

Deirdre Lee: ack antoine

13:56:05 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q-

Riccardo Albertoni: q-

13:56:12 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

13:56:18 <yaso> deirdrelee: in general we agree with  this?

Deirdre Lee: in general we agree with this?

13:56:20 <yaso> +1

+1

13:56:24 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

13:56:28 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +1

Giancarlo Guizzardi: +1

13:56:35 <Caroline_> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

13:56:48 <yaso> close issue-165

close ISSUE-165

13:56:48 <trackbot> Closed issue-165.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-165.

13:57:08 <deirdrelee> RESOLVED: rename DQV:UserFeedback with dqv:QualityUserFeedback making it as duv:Feedback subclass

RESOLVED: rename DQV:UserFeedback with dqv:QualityUserFeedback making it as duv:Feedback subclass

13:57:38 <yaso> antoine: we proposed to move to issue-187

Antoine Isaac: we proposed to move to ISSUE-187

13:57:45 <deirdrelee> issue-187

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-187

13:57:45 <trackbot> issue-187 -- Do we want to keep the same occurrence constraints as defined in DAQ (for example, that every metric should belong to exactly one dimension)? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-187 -- Do we want to keep the same occurrence constraints as defined in DAQ (for example, that every metric should belong to exactly one dimension)? -- open

13:57:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/187

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/187

13:58:25 <yaso> Do we want to keep the same occurrence constraints as defined in DAQ (for example, that every metric should belong to exactly one dimension)?

Do we want to keep the same occurrence constraints as defined in DAQ (for example, that every metric should belong to exactly one dimension)?

13:58:36 <yaso> q?

q?

13:59:09 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

13:59:36 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

13:59:42 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

13:59:53 <yaso> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: dimension would be a quality dimension, like height etc

Giancarlo Guizzardi: dimension would be a quality dimension, like height etc

13:59:56 <jerdeb> q+ to clarify

Jeremy Debattista: q+ to clarify

14:00:54 <yaso> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: so availability would be a sort of dimension

Giancarlo Guizzardi: so availability would be a sort of dimension

14:01:09 <yaso> antoine: right now it belongs to one dimension

Antoine Isaac: right now it belongs to one dimension

14:01:21 <yaso> ... imagine that uptime could be a metric for availability

... imagine that uptime could be a metric for availability

14:01:40 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q-

Riccardo Albertoni: q-

14:01:40 <BernadetteLoscio> antoine: I can't find dqv:qualityAssessement in the model

Bernadette Farias Loscio: antoine - I can't find dqv:qualityAssessement in the model

14:01:52 <deirdrelee> ack jerdeb

Deirdre Lee: ack jerdeb

14:01:52 <Zakim> jerdeb, you wanted to clarify

Zakim IRC Bot: jerdeb, you wanted to clarify

14:02:10 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

14:02:13 <yaso> jerdeb: a dimension is made of many metrics

Jeremy Debattista: a dimension is made of many metrics

14:02:24 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: yes the idea is that we've resolved to add it

Antoine Isaac: BernadetteLoscio - yes the idea is that we've resolved to add it

14:02:35 <yaso> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: then I would change the description in the document

Giancarlo Guizzardi: then I would change the description in the document

14:02:45 <yaso> ... it is a bit confusing

... it is a bit confusing

14:02:57 <antoine> yes the wording with "unit" is confusing

Antoine Isaac: yes the wording with "unit" is confusing

14:03:12 <phila> s/antoine: I can/antoine - I can/
14:03:19 <nandana> DAQ diagram -> http://butterbur04.iai.uni-bonn.de/ontologies/daq/daq#_introduction

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: DAQ diagram -> http://butterbur04.iai.uni-bonn.de/ontologies/daq/daq#_introduction

14:03:24 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

14:03:25 <BernadetteLoscio> antoine: ok! sorry :)

Bernadette Farias Loscio: antoine - ok! sorry :)

14:03:27 <phila> s/BernadetteLoscio: yes the idea/BernadetteLoscio - yes the idea/
14:03:39 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

14:04:13 <phila> s/antoine: ok! sorr/antoine - ok! sorr/
14:04:14 <deirdrelee> ack RiccardoAlbertoni

Deirdre Lee: ack RiccardoAlbertoni

14:04:29 <yaso> RiccardoAlbertoni: I was wondering if Giancarlo_Guizzardi can write the definition that he suggested

Riccardo Albertoni: I was wondering if Giancarlo_Guizzardi can write the definition that he suggested

14:05:16 <Gisele> RiccardoAlbertoni: we are closig the issue and keeping the constraints

Riccardo Albertoni: we are closig the issue and keeping the constraints [ Scribe Assist by Gisele Pappa ]

14:05:18 <antoine> -1

Antoine Isaac: -1

14:05:19 <jerdeb> q+

Jeremy Debattista: q+

14:05:24 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> A Metric is not a unit of measuring. An Observation (QualityMeasure) assigns a value in a given unit to a Metric

Giancarlo Guizzardi: A Metric is not a unit of measuring. An Observation (QualityMeasure) assigns a value in a given unit to a Metric

14:05:43 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

14:06:08 <Gisele> jerdeb: I suggest that we use these constraints and propose to provide guidelines

Jeremy Debattista: I suggest that we use these constraints and propose to provide guidelines [ Scribe Assist by Gisele Pappa ]

14:06:22 <Gisele> ... I believe we should keep than as guidelines but not formally constrain them

Gisele Pappa: ... I believe we should keep than as guidelines but not formally constrain them

14:06:33 <antoine> jerdeb++ it's really great that you've consulted with colleagues!

Antoine Isaac: jerdeb++ it's really great that you've consulted with colleagues!

14:06:36 <Gisele> ... we should still provide guidelines

Gisele Pappa: ... we should still provide guidelines

14:06:39 <nandana> +1 to jerdeb

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 to jerdeb

14:06:48 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

14:07:06 <Gisele> deirdrelee: that would mean that the concepts we use would have no constraints but only guidelines

Deirdre Lee: that would mean that the concepts we use would have no constraints but only guidelines [ Scribe Assist by Gisele Pappa ]

14:07:08 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> I meant "Unit of Measurement" instead of "unit of measuring" (although DQV mentions "unit of measuring")

Giancarlo Guizzardi: I meant "Unit of Measurement" instead of "unit of measuring" (although DQV mentions "unit of measuring")

14:07:39 <phila> q+ to ask if a metric is a slice

Phil Archer: q+ to ask if a metric is a slice

14:07:52 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q-

Riccardo Albertoni: q-

14:08:04 <deirdrelee> ack jerdeb

Deirdre Lee: ack jerdeb

14:08:06 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

14:08:06 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to ask if a metric is a slice

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to ask if a metric is a slice

14:08:30 <Gisele> phila: aguideline is a slice thourgh a hypercube

Phil Archer: aguideline is a slice thourgh a datacube [ Scribe Assist by Gisele Pappa ]

14:08:50 <nandana> s/hypercube/datacube/
14:08:53 <Gisele> ..i'trying to match what  are saying with my knoeldge on data cube

Gisele Pappa: ..i'trying to match what are saying with my knoeldge on data cube

14:09:14 <Gisele> RiccardoAlbertoni: we can have slices from multiple observation but im not sure

Jeremy Debattista: we can have slices from multiple observation but im not sure [ Scribe Assist by Gisele Pappa ]

14:09:39 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

14:09:50 <Gisele> deirdrelee: proposal for issue 187

Deirdre Lee: proposal for ISSUE-187 [ Scribe Assist by Gisele Pappa ]

14:10:16 <RiccardoAlbertoni> s/RiccardoAlbertoni/jerdeb
14:10:34 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Don't keep the constraints from DAQ but provide guidelines

PROPOSED: Don't keep the constraints from DAQ but provide guidelines

14:10:44 <ericstephan> good morning phila :-)

Eric Stephan: good morning phila :-)

14:10:44 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

14:10:46 <BernadetteLoscio> Hi Eric! :)

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Hi Eric! :)

14:10:47 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

14:10:50 <phila> +1 Noting that DAQ is moving in the same direction

Phil Archer: +1 Noting that DAQ is moving in the same direction

14:10:51 <Seiji> +1

Seiji Isotani: +1

14:10:51 <nandana> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

14:10:53 <Gisele> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

14:10:57 <yaso> q?

q?

14:10:58 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

14:11:04 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

14:11:07 <ericstephan> ericstephan present+

Eric Stephan: ericstephan present+

14:11:08 <adrianov> +1

Adriano Veloso: +1

14:11:13 <jerdeb> +1 (will remove constraints from daQ as well)

Jeremy Debattista: +1 (will remove constraints from daQ as well)

14:11:28 <yaso> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: what do we mean by "provide guidelines"

Giancarlo Guizzardi: what do we mean by "provide guidelines"

14:11:44 <deirdrelee> RESOLVED: Don't keep the constraints from DAQ but provide guidelines

RESOLVED: Don't keep the constraints from DAQ but provide guidelines

14:11:54 <yaso> close issue-187

close ISSUE-187

14:11:54 <trackbot> Closed issue-187.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-187.

14:12:02 <yaso> issue-189

ISSUE-189

14:12:02 <trackbot> issue-189 -- Aether VoID extension uses a different from the pattern that DQV inherits from DAQ -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-189 -- Aether VoID extension uses a different from the pattern that DQV inherits from DAQ -- open

14:12:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/189

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/189

14:12:10 <deirdrelee> ack Gisele

Deirdre Lee: ack Gisele

14:12:13 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

14:13:52 <yaso> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: we could have a uniform threatment of this part of the model. So I was wondering if we are going to have a discussion on this, or it will be discussed my email.. It's a general question

Giancarlo Guizzardi: we could have a uniform treatment of this part of the model. So I was wondering if we are going to have a discussion on this, or it will be discussed my email.. It's a general question

14:14:07 <deirdrelee> s/threatment/treatment
14:14:15 <yaso> ... there's a lot of work here that we could use, there's a lot o discussions here

... there's a lot of work here that we could use, there's a lot o discussions here

14:14:42 <yaso> q?

q?

14:15:07 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> Ok. Thanks

Giancarlo Guizzardi: Ok. Thanks

14:15:43 <deirdrelee> issue-189

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-189

14:15:43 <trackbot> issue-189 -- Aether VoID extension uses a different from the pattern that DQV inherits from DAQ -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-189 -- Aether VoID extension uses a different from the pattern that DQV inherits from DAQ -- open

14:15:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/189

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/189

14:16:51 <yaso> antoine: in our patter for measure on the quality of datasets there will be a connexion between

Antoine Isaac: in our patter for measure on the quality of datasets there will be a connexion between

14:18:27 <RiccardoAlbertoni> to phila http://jiemakel.github.io/aether/#/

Riccardo Albertoni: to phila http://jiemakel.github.io/aether/#/

14:19:22 <yaso> ... the question is if we are comfortable with a more complex proposal and if we should try to reflex this in the document

... the question is if we are comfortable with a more complex proposal and if we should try to reflect this in the document

14:19:39 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

14:19:39 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

14:19:42 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

14:19:47 <yaso> s/reflex/reflect/
14:19:52 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

14:21:02 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

14:21:32 <BernadetteLoscio> present+ BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: present+ BernadetteLoscio

14:21:45 <nandana> q+ to say Aether is more about statistics and DAQ is more about quality

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: q+ to say Aether is more about statistics and DAQ is more about quality

14:21:46 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> A known proposal in the subject actually comes from VU: http://www.semantic-web-journal.net/sites/default/files/swj177_7.pdf

Giancarlo Guizzardi: A known proposal in the subject actually comes from VU: http://www.semantic-web-journal.net/sites/default/files/swj177_7.pdf

14:22:38 <antoine> can I try to re-phrase the problem?

Antoine Isaac: can I try to re-phrase the problem?

14:23:56 <deirdrelee> ack RiccardoAlbertoni

Deirdre Lee: ack RiccardoAlbertoni

14:24:12 <yaso> ack antoine

ack antoine

14:24:33 <antoine> <http://data.europeana.eu/void/Dataset>         <http://ldf.fi/void-ext#averageLiteralLength>                 "62,014"^^<http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#decimal> ;

Antoine Isaac: <http://data.europeana.eu/void/Dataset> <http://ldf.fi/void-ext#averageLiteralLength> "62,014"^^<http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#decimal> ;

14:25:03 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> Other relevant references are: http://www.qudt.org, https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=quomos. We also did some work on that which could be relevant: http://www.inf.ufes.br/~gguizzardi/PID2733627.pdf and http://ceur-ws.org/Vol-1301/ontocomodise2014_9.pdf

Giancarlo Guizzardi: Other relevant references are: http://www.qudt.org, https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=quomos. We also did some work on that which could be relevant: http://www.inf.ufes.br/~gguizzardi/PID2733627.pdf and http://ceur-ws.org/Vol-1301/ontocomodise2014_9.pdf

14:25:37 <nandana> q-

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: q-

14:26:01 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

14:26:39 <phila> q+ to make a suggestion

Phil Archer: q+ to make a suggestion

14:26:42 <yaso> antoine: this about it and decide if this is something that we are comfortable with

Antoine Isaac: this about it and decide if this is something that we are comfortable with

14:26:55 <phila> scribe: Giancarlo_Guizzardi

(Scribe set to Giancarlo Guizzardi)

14:27:28 <deirdrelee> ack RiccardoAlbertoni

Deirdre Lee: ack RiccardoAlbertoni

14:28:58 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> RicardoAltertoni mentions that we need some of this complexity in the proposal but he also thinks that Antoin is right in advocating a simple way of representing statistics

RicardoAltertoni mentions that we need some of this complexity in the proposal but he also thinks that Antoin is right in advocating a simple way of representing statistics

14:29:26 <nandana> +1 to RiccardoAlbertoni. we might start with Aether but end up again something similar to DAQ if we want to represent the all the information to that we represent now

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 to RiccardoAlbertoni. we might start with Aether but end up again something similar to DAQ if we want to represent the all the information to that we represent now

14:29:28 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

14:29:34 <Seiji> q+

Seiji Isotani: q+

14:30:08 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

14:30:08 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to make a suggestion

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to make a suggestion

14:31:35 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to jerdeb

Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to jerdeb

14:31:55 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

14:32:09 <Seiji> q-

Seiji Isotani: q-

14:33:12 <phila> phila: I asked whether it might be possible to treat Aether VoID as a quality meansure within DQV, or use a CONSTRUCT query to convert from one to the other. The answer was no.

Phil Archer: I asked whether it might be possible to treat Aether VoID as a quality meansure within DQV, or use a CONSTRUCT query to convert from one to the other. The answer was no. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

14:33:18 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> laufer, DQV is a way to besides the quality of the data, it semantically describes the data

laufer, DQV is a way to besides the quality of the data, it semantically describes the data

14:33:21 <deirdrelee> laufer: trying to understand issue. i think that dqv is a way of as well as describin quality data, we describe the semanticcs

Carlos Laufer: trying to understand issue. i think that dqv is a way of as well as describin quality data, we describe the semanticcs [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

14:33:41 <deirdrelee> ... void is description of the data,not the semantics of the informaiton. so void and dqv are two differnet things

Deirdre Lee: ... void is description of the data,not the semantics of the informaiton. so void and dqv are two differnet things

14:33:52 <deirdrelee> ... it is more complicated to describe the semantics ofthe data

Deirdre Lee: ... it is more complicated to describe the semantics ofthe data

14:33:53 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to laufer

Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to laufer

14:33:58 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> laufer, these are two separate things. Describing the semantics of the quality of the data is more complicated but it is a more general model

laufer, these are two separate things. Describing the semantics of the quality of the data is more complicated but it is a more general model

14:33:59 <jerdeb> jerdeb: re transform Aether to daQ -> no this cannot happen because we do not know any quality information about the aether property, such as category and dimension which are important to daQ

Jeremy Debattista: re transform Aether to daQ -> no this cannot happen because we do not know any quality information about the aether property, such as category and dimension which are important to daQ [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Debattista ]

14:34:00 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

14:34:04 <deirdrelee> ack laufer

Deirdre Lee: ack laufer

14:34:05 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

14:34:23 <deirdrelee> ... dav is a simpler model, but they don't have semantics

Deirdre Lee: ... dav is a simpler model, but they don't have semantics

14:34:51 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> riccardo, once you have described your property with DAQ, it is possible to serialized it Aether but not the other way around

riccardo, once you have described your property with DAQ, it is possible to serialized it Aether but not the other way around

14:34:57 <deirdrelee> RiccardoAlbertoni: it is difficult to erialise the results in the header as daq is more complex

Riccardo Albertoni: it is difficult to erialise the results in the header as daq is more complex [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

14:35:09 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> riccardo, the bridge can only be done in one direction

Riccardo Albertoni: the bridge can only be done in one direction

14:35:14 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

14:35:18 <deirdrelee> ack RiccardoAlbertoni

Deirdre Lee: ack RiccardoAlbertoni

14:35:46 <deirdrelee> antoine: it's not that the void extension has not semantics. the semantics are in the properties

Antoine Isaac: it's not that the void extension has not semantics. the semantics are in the properties [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

14:35:51 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> antoin, it's not that the VoiD extension has no semantics.

antoin, it's not that the VoiD extension has no semantics.

14:35:52 <nandana> s/riccardo,/RiccardoAlbertoni:/
14:36:01 <deirdrelee> ... the semantics are not positions as a quality metric

Deirdre Lee: ... the semantics are not positions as a quality metric

14:36:16 <deirdrelee> ... we feel as a group not satisfied, that we're missing something

Deirdre Lee: ... we feel as a group not satisfied, that we're missing something

14:36:39 <deirdrelee> ... it must be possible to express these simple triples

Deirdre Lee: ... it must be possible to express these simple triples

14:37:17 <deirdrelee> laufer: agree we have semantics in the properties, but in dqv in the description there will be semantics, a more sophisticated way

Carlos Laufer: agree we have semantics in the properties, but in dqv in the description there will be semantics, a more sophisticated way [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

14:37:19 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

14:37:26 <deirdrelee> ack antoine

Deirdre Lee: ack antoine

14:37:26 <phila> ack antoine

Phil Archer: ack antoine

14:37:42 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> antoine: we seem to be calling semantics different things

Antoine Isaac: we seem to be calling semantics different things

14:38:34 <phila> issue-189?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-189?

14:38:34 <trackbot> issue-189 -- Aether VoID extension uses a different from the pattern that DQV inherits from DAQ -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-189 -- Aether VoID extension uses a different from the pattern that DQV inherits from DAQ -- open

14:38:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/189

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/189

14:38:35 <deirdrelee> ... we don't really have the means to find out they're about quality, they're just properties. dqv provides a framework that facilitates interoperability

Deirdre Lee: ... we don't really have the means to find out they're about quality, they're just properties. dqv provides a framework that facilitates interoperability

14:38:50 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: make a specific proposal around issue-189

Deirdre Lee: make a specific proposal around ISSUE-189 [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

14:39:57 <deirdrelee> RiccardoAlbertoni: proposal, keep dqv as it is,provide guidance on how to convert daq to aether void

Riccardo Albertoni: proposal, keep dqv as it is,provide guidance on how to convert daq to aether void [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

14:40:39 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

14:40:49 <deirdrelee> antoine: we should have this for market adoption

Antoine Isaac: we should have this for market adoption [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

14:41:04 <deirdrelee> phila: i've been looking at aether, i'm happy to say we keep dqv as it is

Phil Archer: i've been looking at aether, i'm happy to say we keep dqv as it is [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

14:42:07 <deirdrelee> ... they're not antagonistic, we can extend dqv with aether, there are lots of other things that you could say about the dataset, not necessary to include

Deirdre Lee: ... they're not antagonistic, we can extend dqv with aether, there are lots of other things that you could say about the dataset, not necessary to include

14:42:10 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

14:42:12 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

14:42:56 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

14:42:58 <deirdrelee> antoine: really have doubts about it. i'm in a community where they'll look at vocab like aether and say this is quality

Antoine Isaac: really have doubts about it. i'm in a community where they'll look at vocab like aether and say this is quality [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

14:43:08 <phila> phila: That makes it sounds as if I don't like Aether voID - it looks very interesting. I just don't think it's necessarily something we should feel obliged to move towards/include as an example

Phil Archer: That makes it sounds as if I don't like Aether voID - it looks very interesting. I just don't think it's necessarily something we should feel obliged to move towards/include as an example [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

14:43:14 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q-

Riccardo Albertoni: q-

14:43:25 <deirdrelee> ... agree not all statistics are relevant for quality, but would like us to be stronger about

Deirdre Lee: ... agree not all statistics are relevant for quality, but would like us to be stronger about

14:43:39 <phila> PROPOSED: keep dqv as it is, provide guidance on how to convert daq to aether void

PROPOSED: keep dqv as it is, provide guidance on how to convert daq to aether void

14:43:45 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

14:43:50 <phila> ack l

Phil Archer: ack l

14:44:20 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

14:44:22 <phila> phila has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Sao_Paulo#Agenda WebEx: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m2c0af451188e3c2177f8d56453c588e9

Phil Archer: phila has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Sao_Paulo#Agenda WebEx: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m2c0af451188e3c2177f8d56453c588e9

14:44:22 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

14:44:44 <phila> phila has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Sao_Paulo#Agenda WebEx: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=me0913a1d1a11424af2809d6256da43aa

Phil Archer: phila has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Sao_Paulo#Agenda WebEx: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=me0913a1d1a11424af2809d6256da43aa

14:44:56 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q-

Riccardo Albertoni: q-

14:45:04 <deirdrelee> antoine: in my community this is important

Antoine Isaac: in my community this is important [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

14:45:14 <phila> q- an

Phil Archer: q- an

14:45:23 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: keep dqv as it is, provide guidance on how to convert daq to aether void

PROPOSED: keep dqv as it is, provide guidance on how to convert daq to aether void

14:45:26 <jerdeb> -1 (because there are other ontologies like aether, such as lodstats)

Jeremy Debattista: -1 (because there are other ontologies like aether, such as lodstats)

14:45:27 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

14:45:37 <laufer> -1

Carlos Laufer: -1

14:45:41 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

14:45:43 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

14:45:44 <deirdrelee> 0

Deirdre Lee: 0

14:45:44 <PeterWinstanley_> +1

Peter Winstanley: +1

14:45:44 <Seiji> +1

Seiji Isotani: +1

14:45:47 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> 0

0

14:45:52 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

14:45:53 <Caroline_> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

14:45:56 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

14:45:56 <Gisele> 0

Gisele Pappa: 0

14:45:57 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

14:47:15 <deirdrelee> anthoine: it doesn't have to be aether

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14:47:16 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: keep dqv as it is, provide guidance on how to convert daq to another quality statistics vocabulary

PROPOSED: keep dqv as it is, provide guidance on how to convert daq to another quality statistics vocabulary

14:47:20 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

14:47:21 <Seiji> +1

Seiji Isotani: +1

14:47:22 <nandana> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

14:47:25 <jerdeb> +1

Jeremy Debattista: +1

14:47:40 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +1

+1

14:47:44 <adrianov> +1

Adriano Veloso: +1

14:47:47 <antoine> +1 to "work with"

Antoine Isaac: +1 to "work with"

14:47:50 <Caroline_> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

14:47:56 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

14:47:58 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

14:48:06 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: keep dqv as it is, provide guidance on how daq can work with another quality statistics vocabulary

PROPOSED: keep dqv as it is, provide guidance on how daq can work with another quality statistics vocabulary

14:48:12 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +1

+1

14:48:12 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

14:48:14 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

14:48:15 <Gisele> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

14:48:16 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

14:48:17 <jerdeb> +1

Jeremy Debattista: +1

14:48:18 <adrianov> +1

Adriano Veloso: +1

14:48:20 <Seiji> +1

Seiji Isotani: +1

14:48:20 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

14:48:20 <Caroline_> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

14:48:21 <deirdrelee> RESOLVED: keep dqv as it is, provide guidance on how daq can work with another quality statistics vocabulary

RESOLVED: keep dqv as it is, provide guidance on how daq can work with another quality statistics vocabulary

14:48:25 <nandana> _1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: _1

14:48:29 <nandana> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

14:48:31 <ericstephan> ++++++++++++++++++1

Eric Stephan: ++++++++++++++++++1

14:48:37 <deirdrelee> close issue-189

Deirdre Lee: close ISSUE-189

14:48:37 <phila> RESOLUTION: keep dqv as it is, provide guidance on how daq can work with another quality statistics vocabulary

RESOLVED: keep dqv as it is, provide guidance on how daq can work with another quality statistics vocabulary

14:48:40 <trackbot> Closed issue-189.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-189.

14:48:52 <deirdrelee> issue-164

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-164

14:48:52 <trackbot> issue-164 -- Are statistics about a dataset a kind of quality info we need to include in the data quality vocabulary? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-164 -- Are statistics about a dataset a kind of quality info we need to include in the data quality vocabulary? -- open

14:48:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/164

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/164

14:48:56 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes

14:48:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-minutes.html phila

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-minutes.html phila

14:49:01 <RiccardoAlbertoni> yeah , let's close it

Riccardo Albertoni: yeah , let's close it

14:49:12 <phila> I think we just resolved that issue

Phil Archer: I think we just resolved that issue

14:49:26 <deirdrelee> antoine: proposal is we agree that some statistics may be relevant for expressing data quality

Antoine Isaac: proposal is we agree that some statistics may be relevant for expressing data quality [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

14:49:38 <deirdrelee> ... after resolution for issue-189, we should have examples

Deirdre Lee: ... after resolution for ISSUE-189, we should have examples

14:50:32 <phila> PROPOSE: Close Issue 164 as previous proposal covers it

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Unknown PROPOSE: Close ISSUE-164 as previous proposal covers it [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

14:50:43 <phila> PROPOSE: Close Issue 164 as previous resolution covers it

Scribe problem: the name 'PROPOSE' does not match any of the 61 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amine Abidi Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Mostafa Elag Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Newton Calegari Peter Winstanley Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yao Tong Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown PROPOSE: Close ISSUE-164 as previous resolution covers it [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

14:51:16 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

14:51:18 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

14:51:19 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

14:51:20 <Seiji> +1

Seiji Isotani: +1

14:51:21 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

14:51:24 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

14:51:26 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

14:51:26 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes

14:51:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-minutes.html phila

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14:51:27 <adrianov> +1

Adriano Veloso: +1

14:51:27 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

14:51:28 <newtoncalegari> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

14:51:33 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +1

+1

14:51:42 <nandana> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

14:51:42 <deirdrelee> RESOLVED: Close Issue 164 as previous resolution covers it

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-164 as previous resolution covers it

14:53:07 <Caroline_> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/153

Caroline Burle: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/153

14:53:08 <deirdrelee> action-153

Deirdre Lee: ACTION-153

14:53:08 <trackbot> action-153 -- Antoine Isaac to Look at completeness as one of the quality dimensions -- due 2015-04-20 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-153 -- Antoine Isaac to Look at completeness as one of the quality dimensions -- due 2015-04-20 -- OPEN

14:53:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/153

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/153

14:53:54 <deirdrelee> RiccardoAlbertoni: the discussion in the mailing list says that completeness is an example of one ofthe quality dimensions

Riccardo Albertoni: the discussion in the mailing list says that completeness is an example of one ofthe quality dimensions [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

14:53:58 <jerdeb> q+

Jeremy Debattista: q+

14:54:15 <deirdrelee> ack antoine

Deirdre Lee: ack antoine

14:54:17 <deirdrelee> ack RiccardoAlbertoni

Deirdre Lee: ack RiccardoAlbertoni

14:54:19 <deirdrelee> ack jerdeb

Deirdre Lee: ack jerdeb

14:54:41 <deirdrelee> jerdeb: agree that completeness should be a dimension. how can we measure this as linked data?

Jeremy Debattista: agree that completeness should be a dimension. how can we measure this as linked data? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

14:54:45 <deirdrelee> ... open world assumptions

Deirdre Lee: ... open world assumptions

14:55:06 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

14:55:06 <deirdrelee> RiccardoAlbertoni: we have to assume closed world to measure completeness

Riccardo Albertoni: we have to assume closed world to measure completeness [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

14:55:23 <deirdrelee> jerdeb: that's one of the main problems i'm having, difficult to measure

Jeremy Debattista: that's one of the main problems i'm having, difficult to measure [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

14:55:48 <phila> q+ to talk about RDF Data Shapes

Phil Archer: q+ to talk about RDF Data Shapes

14:56:00 <deirdrelee> antoine: some more info on this aciton. like RiccardoAlbertoni  said, completeness is important to measure, but didn't receive much feedback

Antoine Isaac: some more info on this aciton. like RiccardoAlbertoni said, completeness is important to measure, but didn't receive much feedback [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

14:56:18 <deirdrelee> ... asked for specific feedback on completeness but didn't get any

Deirdre Lee: ... asked for specific feedback on completeness but didn't get any

14:56:32 <deirdrelee> ... similar to statistics, used this as a proxy for completeness

Deirdre Lee: ... similar to statistics, used this as a proxy for completeness

14:56:44 <deirdrelee> ... if you are keen for completeness, please send examples

Deirdre Lee: ... if you are keen for completeness, please send examples

14:57:17 <deirdrelee> phila: one of the reasons i don't like using dcterms:conformsto is that ?

Phil Archer: one of the reasons i don't like using dcterms:conformsto is that ? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

14:57:58 <deirdrelee> ... there are various things that you could point to something that defines what complete meants

Deirdre Lee: ... there are various things that you could point to something that defines what complete meants

14:58:34 <deirdrelee> RiccardoAlbertoni: there are some situation that the closed world assumptoin works fine, and we would like the opportunity to say something about it

Riccardo Albertoni: there are some situation that the closed world assumptoin works fine, and we would like the opportunity to say something about it [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

14:58:51 <phila> phila: I was saying that one quality description could be that the dataset matches a spedcific profile, such as DCAT-AP, or maybe point to a SHACL description (http://w3c.github.io/data-shapes/shacl/)

Phil Archer: I was saying that one quality description could be that the dataset matches a spedcific profile, such as DCAT-AP, or maybe point to a SHACL description (http://w3c.github.io/data-shapes/shacl/) [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:00:05 <jerdeb> q+

Jeremy Debattista: q+

15:00:05 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

15:00:20 <phila> q-

Phil Archer: q-

15:00:22 <deirdrelee> phila: it could even be a description in a pdf. as long as you say it conforms to, e.g. to say that ckan dcat export

Phil Archer: it could even be a description in a pdf. as long as you say it conforms to, e.g. to say that ckan dcat export [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

15:00:25 <antoine> q-

Antoine Isaac: q-

15:00:29 <deirdrelee> ack antoine

Deirdre Lee: ack antoine

15:00:30 <deirdrelee> ack jerdeb

Deirdre Lee: ack jerdeb

15:00:39 <jerdeb> q+

Jeremy Debattista: q+

15:00:40 <deirdrelee> ack RiccardoAlbertoni

Deirdre Lee: ack RiccardoAlbertoni

15:01:11 <deirdrelee> RiccardoAlbertoni: we are thinking about different kind of completeness. the one i'm talking about is the one in the linked data survey

Riccardo Albertoni: we are thinking about different kind of completeness. the one i'm talking about is the one in the linked data survey [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

15:01:14 <jerdeb> q-

Jeremy Debattista: q-

15:01:28 <deirdrelee> ... being compliant to a certain profile

Deirdre Lee: ... being compliant to a certain profile

15:02:17 <phila> PROPOSED: That we include completeness as a quality metric. That can be defined in any way that puts boundaries around what the data should contain.

PROPOSED: That we include completeness as a quality metric. That can be defined in any way that puts boundaries around what the data should contain.

15:02:17 <nandana> +1 for including completeness dimension and asking for concrete metrics and examples.

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 for including completeness dimension and asking for concrete metrics and examples.

15:02:59 <phila> PROPOSED: That we include completeness as a quality dimension. That can be defined in any way that puts boundaries around what the data should contain.

PROPOSED: That we include completeness as a quality dimension. That can be defined in any way that puts boundaries around what the data should contain.

15:03:11 <phila> PROPOSED: That we include completeness as a quality dimension. That can be defined in any way that puts boundaries around what the data should contain, closes the world etc.

PROPOSED: That we include completeness as a quality dimension. That can be defined in any way that puts boundaries around what the data should contain, closes the world etc.

15:03:30 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

15:03:36 <Seiji> +1

Seiji Isotani: +1

15:03:37 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +1

+1

15:03:37 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

15:03:39 <nandana> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

15:03:41 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

15:03:41 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

15:03:43 <Gisele> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

15:03:43 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

15:03:43 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

15:03:43 <Caroline_> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

15:03:45 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

15:03:56 <phila> RESOLVED: That we include completeness as a quality dimension. That can be defined in any way that puts boundaries around what the data should contain, closes the world etc.

RESOLVED: That we include completeness as a quality dimension. That can be defined in any way that puts boundaries around what the data should contain, closes the world etc.

15:04:00 <phila> RESOLUTION: That we include completeness as a quality dimension. That can be defined in any way that puts boundaries around what the data should contain, closes the world etc.

RESOLVED: That we include completeness as a quality dimension. That can be defined in any way that puts boundaries around what the data should contain, closes the world etc.

15:04:05 <jerdeb> +1 if we have specific examples for population completeness and schema completeness

Jeremy Debattista: +1 if we have specific examples for population completeness and schema completeness

15:04:20 <phila> close issue-153

Phil Archer: close ISSUE-153

15:04:20 <trackbot> Closed issue-153.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-153.

15:04:47 <RiccardoAlbertoni> yeah it was very useful ..

Riccardo Albertoni: yeah it was very useful ..

15:06:44 <antoine> Thanks everyone!!!

Antoine Isaac: Thanks everyone!!!

15:06:50 <phila> == Lunch ==

2.2. Lunch ==

15:07:01 <BernadetteLoscio> Thanks!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Thanks!

15:07:04 <laufer> Thank antoine, riccardo

Carlos Laufer: Thank antoine, riccardo

15:07:08 <phila> close action-153

Phil Archer: close ACTION-153

15:07:08 <trackbot> Closed action-153.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-153.

15:07:26 <jerdeb> sorry but need to leave now. will join you again tomorrow morning (afternoon here in germany)

Jeremy Debattista: sorry but need to leave now. will join you again tomorrow morning (afternoon here in germany)

15:07:29 <deirdrelee> close-164

Deirdre Lee: close-164

15:07:36 <deirdrelee> close issue-164

Deirdre Lee: close ISSUE-164

15:07:37 <trackbot> Closed issue-164.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-164.

15:07:41 <RiccardoAlbertoni> enjoy the lunch!

Riccardo Albertoni: enjoy the lunch!

15:08:00 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

15:56:48 <deirdrelee> ok, let's get back...

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Deirdre Lee: ok, let's get back...

16:00:04 <newtoncalegari> Let's go

Newton Calegari: Let's go

16:00:21 <RiccardoAlbertoni> yeah.. I am on webex

Riccardo Albertoni: yeah.. I am on webex

16:00:33 <yaso> present+ yaso

Yaso Córdova: present+ yaso

16:01:42 <deirdrelee> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP

Deirdre Lee: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP

16:01:46 <newtoncalegari> yaso: starting the meeting with BP agenda

Yaso Córdova: starting the meeting with BP agenda [ Scribe Assist by Newton Calegari ]

16:01:46 <yaso> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Sao_Paulo#Agenda

Yaso Córdova: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Sao_Paulo#Agenda

16:01:56 <deirdrelee> scribe: newtoncalegari

(Scribe set to Newton Calegari)

16:02:46 <yaso> ISSUE-137

Yaso Córdova: ISSUE-137

16:02:46 <trackbot> ISSUE-137 -- Review BP Preserve person's right to privacy -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-137 -- Review BP Preserve person's right to privacy -- open

16:02:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/137

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/137

16:03:03 <newtoncalegari> yaso: issue-137 about privacy

Yaso Córdova: ISSUE-137 about privacy

16:03:04 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

16:03:25 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio

Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio

16:03:48 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: during the last F2F we had a discussion about privacy

Bernadette Farias Loscio: during the last F2F we had a discussion about privacy

16:03:49 <deirdrelee> BP Editor's draft: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html

Deirdre Lee: BP Editor's draft: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html

16:03:58 <newtoncalegari> ... and we raised some issues

... and we raised some issues

16:04:12 <newtoncalegari> ... now we need to decide what we gonna do

... now we need to decide what we gonna do

16:04:28 <newtoncalegari> ... hadleybeeman was not sure if we will talk about privacy

... hadleybeeman was not sure if we will talk about privacy

16:04:50 <yaso> http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy

Yaso Córdova: http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy

16:04:50 <newtoncalegari> ... so, there is this action to rewrite the BP. but we need to discuss what we need to do

... so, there is this action to rewrite the BP. but we need to discuss what we need to do

16:05:13 <newtoncalegari> ... to rewrite, keep it as it is, or discontinue..

... to rewrite, keep it as it is, or discontinue..

16:05:36 <newtoncalegari> ... the discussion in the end of last f2f was not clear if we should have a BP like this, about privacy

... the discussion in the end of last f2f was not clear if we should have a BP like this, about privacy

16:05:38 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:05:45 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

16:05:49 <newtoncalegari> ... what we should do with this section?

... what we should do with this section?

16:05:52 <yaso> ack phila

Yaso Córdova: ack phila

16:06:18 <newtoncalegari> phila: yes, hadleybeeman make the point that it's not technical

Phil Archer: yes, hadleybeeman make the point that it's not technical

16:06:39 <phila> It is clearly essential that individuals' privacy is respected. This means that Personally Identifiable Information needs to be handled according to policies and procedures that reflect the local jurisdictional context and it is therefore beyond the scope of this document to make specific recommendations on this topic.

Phil Archer: It is clearly essential that individuals' privacy is respected. This means that Personally Identifiable Information needs to be handled according to policies and procedures that reflect the local jurisdictional context and it is therefore beyond the scope of this document to make specific recommendations on this topic.

16:06:45 <newtoncalegari> ... makx suggested that we put some text in the introduction

... makx suggested that we put some text in the introduction

16:06:59 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

16:07:08 <newtoncalegari> ... we can potential link to some definition

... we can potential link to some definition

16:07:23 <yaso> ericstephan,

Yaso Córdova: ericstephan,

16:07:23 <newtoncalegari> ... the scope is policy and law, and it's not in the technical scope

... the scope is policy and law, and it's not in the technical scope

16:07:26 <yaso> ack ericstephan

Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan

16:08:07 <phila> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/006801d0c9f8%2524bc2750f0%25243475f2d0%2524%2540makxdekkers.com Makx's comment

Phil Archer: -> http://www.w3.org/mid/006801d0c9f8%2524bc2750f0%25243475f2d0%2524%2540makxdekkers.com Makx's comment

16:08:07 <newtoncalegari> ericstephan: phila is propposing to take this out of the BPs, and put it in another section

Eric Stephan: phila is propposing to take this out of the BPs, and put it in another section

16:08:27 <newtoncalegari> ... it could be in a section called "Assumptions"

... it could be in a section called "Assumptions"

16:08:37 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:08:40 <phila> ericstephan: Perhaps we could have a section called 'Assumptions' - i.e. things that we recognise as being important but that are out of scope.

Eric Stephan: Perhaps we could have a section called 'Assumptions' - i.e. things that we recognise as being important but that are out of scope. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

16:09:02 <newtoncalegari> yaso: there are challenges in the Use Cases and this challenge is out of the scope

Yaso Córdova: there are challenges in the Use Cases and this challenge is out of the scope

16:09:09 <PeterWinstanley_> q+

Peter Winstanley: q+

16:09:14 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

16:09:16 <deirdrelee> BP 20q+

Deirdre Lee: BP 20q+

16:09:20 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

16:09:21 <newtoncalegari> phila: we can't in a Technical document say "you should follow the law"

Phil Archer: we can't in a Technical document say "you should follow the law"

16:09:46 <yaso> ack PeterWinstanley_

Yaso Córdova: ack PeterWinstanley_

16:09:51 <Caroline> Present+ Caroline

Caroline Burle: Present+ Caroline

16:10:22 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio

Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio

16:10:25 <phila> Principles/assumptions - I;m OK wth either

Phil Archer: Principles/assumptions - I;m OK wth either

16:10:46 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

16:10:50 <newtoncalegari> (someone could help me with Peter speech?)

(someone could help me with Peter speech?)

16:12:10 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: we can add some links appoint to this issue of Sensitive Data

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we can add some links appoint to this issue of Sensitive Data

16:12:25 <newtoncalegari> yaso: is there any way to ask to other groups to deal with it?

Yaso Córdova: is there any way to ask to other groups to deal with it?

16:12:28 <Caroline> q+

Caroline Burle: q+

16:12:53 <yaso> ack deirdrelee

Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee

16:13:03 <newtoncalegari> phila: dealing with this issue is different of using dublin core, or vocabs

Phil Archer: dealing with this issue is different of using dublin core, or vocabs

16:13:05 <phila> Peter was saying that in Enterprise Architectures often begin with a bunch or principles

Phil Archer: Peter was saying that in Enterprise Architectures often begin with a bunch or principles

16:13:48 <newtoncalegari> deirdrelee: there is a technical element on saying to share, integrate, publish datasets

Deirdre Lee: there is a technical element on saying to share, integrate, publish datasets

16:13:55 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

16:14:04 <Caroline> +1 to deirdrelee

Caroline Burle: +1 to deirdrelee

16:14:21 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:14:22 <Caroline> to put in the BP document

Caroline Burle: to put in the BP document

16:14:26 <yaso> ack laufer

Yaso Córdova: ack laufer

16:14:54 <newtoncalegari> laufer: the ideia of a paragraph is interesting to clarify people there is a law to deal with it

Carlos Laufer: the ideia of a paragraph is interesting to clarify people there is a law to deal with it

16:15:09 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

16:15:47 <BernadetteLoscio> q-

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q-

16:15:47 <yaso> ack Caroline

Yaso Córdova: ack Caroline

16:15:53 <newtoncalegari> ... we don't need to have a BP about it, the paragraph is enough

... we don't need to have a BP about it, the paragraph is enough

16:16:06 <newtoncalegari> Caroline: BernadetteLoscio and I discussed about it

Caroline Burle: BernadetteLoscio and I discussed about it

16:16:29 <newtoncalegari> ... if we don't keep it as a BP, it's important to say something about this topic

... if we don't keep it as a BP, it's important to say something about this topic

16:16:47 <newtoncalegari> ... say that this topic is broader than other BPs

... say that this topic is broader than other BPs

16:17:12 <newtoncalegari> ... I Agree with Deirdre on point about this in the Document

... I Agree with Deirdre on point about this in the Document

16:17:13 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:17:17 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

16:17:21 <yaso> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

Yaso Córdova: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

16:17:28 <newtoncalegari> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: I agree

Giancarlo Guizzardi: I agree

16:17:33 <newtoncalegari> ... but it's very complicated

... but it's very complicated

16:17:59 <newtoncalegari> ... this seems to be also related to one aspect of quality

... this seems to be also related to one aspect of quality

16:18:45 <yaso> ack deirdrelee

Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee

16:18:51 <newtoncalegari> ... this is related with conformance

... this is related with conformance

16:19:27 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

16:19:30 <newtoncalegari> deirdrelee: if you classify a dataset, you can say some terms are commercial, others sensitivity

Deirdre Lee: if you classify a dataset, you can say some terms are commercial, others sensitivity

16:19:30 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

16:19:42 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio

Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio

16:19:47 <newtoncalegari> ... maybe if we provide a classification for the dataset

... maybe if we provide a classification for the dataset

16:20:03 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: it's quite similar of what laufer propposed

Bernadette Farias Loscio: it's quite similar of what laufer propposed

16:20:25 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q-

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q-

16:20:43 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

16:20:54 <yaso> ack deirdrelee

Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee

16:20:56 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: if we have a proporty to describe of classify a dataset, maybe it could be a part of the dataset description

Bernadette Farias Loscio: if we have a proporty to describe of classify a dataset, maybe it could be a part of the dataset description

16:21:06 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:21:16 <newtoncalegari> deirdrelee: but it could be not only human-readable

Deirdre Lee: but it could be not only human-readable

16:21:20 <antoine> http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/#classifying-datasets ?

Antoine Isaac: http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/#classifying-datasets ?

16:21:23 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

16:21:26 <newtoncalegari> ... need to be machine readable

... need to be machine readable

16:21:40 <newtoncalegari> yaso: I don't think we don't have to try to classify

Yaso Córdova: I don't think we don't have to try to classify

16:22:03 <phila> q+ to talk about traffic lights

Phil Archer: q+ to talk about traffic lights

16:22:04 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

16:22:13 <newtoncalegari> ... it's not only technical

... it's not only technical

16:22:14 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q-

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q-

16:22:35 <phila> q-

Phil Archer: q-

16:22:39 <Seiji> q+

Seiji Isotani: q+

16:22:41 <yaso> ack phila

Yaso Córdova: ack phila

16:22:50 <newtoncalegari> ... I'm in favor of keep as a note and maybe other group to talk about Privacy

... I'm in favor of keep as a note and maybe other group to talk about Privacy

16:23:03 <newtoncalegari> phila: they classify datasets

Phil Archer: Norway classifies datasets

16:23:33 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:23:37 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio

Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio

16:23:40 <phila> s/they classify/Norway classifies/
16:23:55 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: I think the idea of having an extra metadata to describe this kind of information could be nice

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think the idea of having an extra metadata to describe this kind of information could be nice

16:25:07 <newtoncalegari> yaso: for instance, if facebook has an API and I get data from my friends. but suddenly facebook closes the API, and I can't get my data anymore

Yaso Córdova: for instance, if facebook has an API and I get data from my friends. but suddenly facebook closes the API, and I can't get my data anymore

16:25:20 <newtoncalegari> ... is this data public? sensitive?

... is this data public? sensitive?

16:25:40 <WagnerMeiraJr> q+

Wagner Meira Jr.: q+

16:25:55 <newtoncalegari> yaso: for me it's hard to do that, to classify datasets in that way

Yaso Córdova: for me it's hard to do that, to classify datasets in that way

16:26:31 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:26:35 <deirdrelee> q+ to say gov already classify docs as open, confidential, secure, etc

Deirdre Lee: q+ to say gov already classify docs as open, confidential, secure, etc

16:26:37 <yaso> ack Seiji

Yaso Córdova: ack Seiji

16:26:49 <newtoncalegari> Seiji: I think we can have an agreement among those ideas

Seiji Isotani: I think we can have an agreement among those ideas

16:26:59 <phila> present+ Seiji, WagnerMeiraJr, ericstephan

Phil Archer: present+ Seiji, WagnerMeiraJr, ericstephan

16:27:13 <newtoncalegari> ... in the Draf there is not section called "Policy"

... in the Draf there is not section called "Policy"

16:27:45 <phila> q+ hadleybeeman

Phil Archer: q+ hadleybeeman

16:27:49 <yaso> ack WagnerMeiraJr

Yaso Córdova: ack WagnerMeiraJr

16:28:07 <newtoncalegari> WagnerMeiraJr: I believe it's important to make a difference between what is Ethical and what is Illiegal

Wagner Meira Jr.: I believe it's important to make a difference between what is Ethical and what is Illiegal

16:28:28 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

16:28:57 <newtoncalegari> ... each provider usually have different rules

... each provider usually have different rules

16:29:45 <newtoncalegari> ... it's in our scope to discuss in a BP doc what is illegal or not (???)

... it's in our scope to discuss in a BP doc what is illegal or not (???)

16:30:03 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:30:42 <newtoncalegari> ... data is in some sense public

... data is in some sense public

16:30:52 <newtoncalegari> ... for instance, the ashley madison web site

... for instance, the ashley madison web site

16:31:05 <newtoncalegari> ... they had a agreement about privacy

... they had a agreement about privacy

16:31:32 <newtoncalegari> ... but hackers have violated and have gotten the private data

... but hackers have violated and have gotten the private data

16:31:47 <newtoncalegari> ... the second point is what is illegal?

... the second point is what is illegal?

16:32:15 <newtoncalegari> ... we may recommend that you verify license and terms

... we may recommend that you verify license and terms

16:32:29 <phila> q- hadleybeeman

Phil Archer: q- hadleybeeman

16:33:01 <yaso> ack deirdrelee

Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee

16:33:01 <Zakim> deirdrelee, you wanted to say gov already classify docs as open, confidential, secure, etc

Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee, you wanted to say gov already classify docs as open, confidential, secure, etc

16:33:07 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

16:33:39 <Caroline> q+

Caroline Burle: q+

16:34:08 <phila> zakim, close the queue

Phil Archer: zakim, close the queue

16:34:08 <Zakim> ok, phila, the speaker queue is closed

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, phila, the speaker queue is closed

16:34:14 <newtoncalegari> deirdrelee: the data is on the Web, you should recommend a license

Deirdre Lee: the data is on the Web, you should recommend a license

16:34:22 <yaso> ack ericstephan

Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan

16:34:54 <yaso> ack laufer

Yaso Córdova: ack laufer

16:34:59 <newtoncalegari> ericstephan: (??? sorry ericstephan -( )

Eric Stephan: (??? sorry ericstephan -( )

16:35:22 <newtoncalegari> laufer: the problem is not when you have the data, is when someone access the data

Carlos Laufer: the problem is not when you have the data, is when someone access the data

16:35:37 <newtoncalegari> ... you can have the some dataset with different licenses

... you can have the some dataset with different licenses

16:35:42 <ericstephan> I was just mentioning that I agreed with WagnerMeiraJr and mentioned that this was complementary to the way people think of open and closed data

Eric Stephan: I was just mentioning that I agreed with WagnerMeiraJr and mentioned that this was complementary to the way people think of open and closed data

16:35:50 <yaso> ack Caroline

Yaso Córdova: ack Caroline

16:36:08 <deirdrelee> possible proposal: Remove BP 20 'Preserve people's right to privacy'. Instead add a note around data protection and linking to other related work

Deirdre Lee: possible proposal: Remove BP 20 'Preserve people's right to privacy'. Instead add a note around data protection and linking to other related work

16:36:16 <newtoncalegari> Caroline: I understand we maybe put as a note

Caroline Burle: I understand we maybe put as a note

16:36:51 <phila> q+ to argue for BP21

Phil Archer: q+ to argue for BP21

16:36:52 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: in this case we need to remove the section, 2 BPs and challenge 'Sensitive Data'

Bernadette Farias Loscio: in this case we need to remove the section, 2 BPs and challenge 'Sensitive Data'

16:37:18 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

16:37:19 <Makx> +1 to remove BP20. there is no universal 'right to privacy'

Makx Dekkers: +1 to remove BP20. there is no universal 'right to privacy'

16:37:20 <newtoncalegari> yaso: I don't know if we can remove the section

Yaso Córdova: I don't know if we can remove the section

16:37:25 <phila> zakim, open the queue

Phil Archer: zakim, open the queue

16:37:25 <Zakim> ok, phila, the speaker queue is open

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, phila, the speaker queue is open

16:37:32 <phila> q+ to argue for BP21

Phil Archer: q+ to argue for BP21

16:37:38 <yaso> ack phila

Yaso Córdova: ack phila

16:37:38 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to argue for BP21

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to argue for BP21

16:37:40 <annette_g> these are two different questions

Annette Greiner: these are two different questions

16:37:54 <Makx> present+ makx

Makx Dekkers: present+ makx

16:37:55 <newtoncalegari> phila: I agree on removing the BP20

Phil Archer: I agree on removing the BP20

16:38:01 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:38:02 <annette_g> present+ annette_g

Annette Greiner: present+ annette_g

16:38:07 <newtoncalegari> ... but BP21 we cuold keep

... but BP21 we cuold keep

16:38:26 <ericstephan> +1 to keeping BP21

Eric Stephan: +1 to keeping BP21

16:38:30 <antoine> +1 Actually BP21 is much more on the technical side of things.

Antoine Isaac: +1 Actually BP21 is much more on the technical side of things.

16:38:36 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to phil

Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to phil

16:38:39 <yaso> +1 to keeping 21

Yaso Córdova: +1 to keeping 21

16:38:51 <Makx> +1 to keep BP21

Makx Dekkers: +1 to keep BP21

16:38:54 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:38:59 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: but you want to keep the Sesntive Data section, with the BP21 but without BP20?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: but you want to keep the Sesntive Data section, with the BP21 but without BP20?

16:39:14 <newtoncalegari> phila: (you answered yes?)

Phil Archer: (you answered yes?)

16:39:23 <newtoncalegari> q+

q+

16:39:46 <yaso> ack newtoncalegari

Yaso Córdova: ack newtoncalegari

16:39:50 <Caroline> q+

Caroline Burle: q+

16:40:09 <deirdrelee> newtoncalegari: should bp21 stay in the sensitive data section or it should be moved?

Newton Calegari: should bp21 stay in the sensitive data section or it should be moved? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

16:40:20 <newtoncalegari> phila: it's up to the editors :-)

Phil Archer: it's up to the editors :-)

16:40:24 <phila> newtoncalegari: On keeping the BP on Provide data unavailability reference - does that mean keeping the section but with one BP?

Newton Calegari: On keeping the BP on Provide data unavailability reference - does that mean keeping the section but with one BP? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

16:40:28 <Makx> BP21 has nothing to do with sensitive data

Makx Dekkers: BP21 has nothing to do with sensitive data

16:40:30 <phila> phila: That's up to the editors

Phil Archer: That's up to the editors [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

16:40:33 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

16:40:35 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

16:40:39 <deirdrelee> ack Caroline

Deirdre Lee: ack Caroline

16:40:50 <yaso> ack annette_g

Yaso Córdova: ack annette_g

16:40:51 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g

Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g

16:41:25 <newtoncalegari> annette_g: for BP20, are we going to replace if it's removed?

Annette Greiner: for BP20, are we going to replace if it's removed?

16:41:25 <Makx> the only thing we can say about BP20 is that data providers should respect applicable laws

Makx Dekkers: the only thing we can say about BP20 is that data providers should respect applicable laws

16:41:37 <yaso> +1 to Makx

Yaso Córdova: +1 to Makx

16:41:38 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

16:41:40 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

16:41:52 <yaso> ack deirdrelee

Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee

16:42:04 <newtoncalegari> phila: we are agreeing on taking out BP21 but write some notes about the topic

Phil Archer: we are agreeing on taking out BP21 but write some notes about the topic

16:42:11 <Caroline> q+

Caroline Burle: q+

16:42:18 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio

Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio

16:42:46 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: if we keep the section 'Sensitive Data', I think we can't have only the description without a BP

Bernadette Farias Loscio: if we keep the section 'Sensitive Data', I think we can't have only the description without a BP

16:42:54 <annette_g> +1 to Bernadette

Annette Greiner: +1 to Bernadette

16:43:13 <newtoncalegari> ... we can keep the BP21, but this BP seems to doesn't fit in the Sensitive Section

... we can keep the BP21, but this BP seems to doesn't fit in the Sensitive Section

16:43:23 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:43:27 <newtoncalegari> ... and we need to look for a place for BP21

... and we need to look for a place for BP21

16:43:37 <newtoncalegari> Caroline: I agree with BernadetteLoscio

Caroline Burle: I agree with BernadetteLoscio

16:43:45 <Seiji> +1 to what bernadette said

Seiji Isotani: +1 to what bernadette said

16:43:47 <newtoncalegari> ... maybe BP21 fits in Data Preservation section

... maybe BP21 fits in Data Preservation section

16:44:10 <newtoncalegari> ... and the text of BP20 will be transformed in a note

... and the text of BP20 will be transformed in a note

16:44:21 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

16:44:23 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

16:44:59 <newtoncalegari> yaso: we need to let people know Sensitve Data is a challenge, and I think we can keep the section

Yaso Córdova: we need to let people know Sensitve Data is a challenge, and I think we can keep the section

16:45:04 <Caroline> +1 to yaso that privacy is a challenge important to be mentioned

Caroline Burle: +1 to yaso that privacy is a challenge important to be mentioned

16:45:21 <yaso> ack Caroline

Yaso Córdova: ack Caroline

16:45:45 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: Ok. It can be a challenge, but no in the scope of this document, and I don't agree on having a section like others, but without any BP

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Ok. It can be a challenge, but no in the scope of this document, and I don't agree on having a section like others, but without any BP

16:45:56 <yaso> ack deirdrelee

Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee

16:46:02 <newtoncalegari> deirdrelee: two counter suggestions

Deirdre Lee: two counter suggestions

16:46:31 <Caroline> Caroline: the editors may make the change on Sensitive data and send to the group

Caroline Burle: the editors may make the change on Sensitive data and send to the group [ Scribe Assist by Caroline Burle ]

16:46:48 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:47:07 <yaso> Ack annette_g

Yaso Córdova: Ack annette_g

16:47:22 <newtoncalegari> annette_g: maybe we can rewrite the BP

Annette Greiner: maybe we can rewrite the BP

16:47:53 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:48:08 <newtoncalegari> ... we need to consider those issues

... we need to consider those issues

16:48:31 <newtoncalegari> PROPOSAL: removing BP20 - Preserve people's right to privacy

PROPOSED: removing BP20 - Preserve people's right to privacy

16:48:34 <phila> PROPOSED: That the Best practice on Preserve people's right to privacy be removed and replaced by a suitable note/paragraph

PROPOSED: That the Best practice on Preserve people's right to privacy be removed and replaced by a suitable note/paragraph

16:48:38 <annette_g> removing and replacing by a note are two different issues

Annette Greiner: removing and replacing by a note are two different issues

16:48:40 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

16:48:42 <Makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

16:48:45 <annette_g> 0

Annette Greiner: 0

16:48:46 <Caroline> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

16:48:48 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> +1

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16:48:50 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

16:48:54 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

16:48:54 <newtoncalegari> +1

+1

16:48:55 <Seiji> +1

Seiji Isotani: +1

16:48:55 <Gisele> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

16:49:02 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

16:49:06 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

16:49:11 <nandana> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

16:49:30 <newtoncalegari> annette_g: I think it should a BP

Annette Greiner: I think it should a BP

16:49:31 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

16:49:38 <Caroline> +q

Caroline Burle: +q

16:49:49 <yaso> ack deirdrelee

Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee

16:49:53 <newtoncalegari> ... agree on removing BP20, but put another BP in the empty place (??? is that right, annette_g? )

... agree on removing BP20, but put another BP in the empty place (??? is that right, annette_g? )

16:50:10 <newtoncalegari> phila: writing a draft proposal

Phil Archer: writing a draft proposal

16:50:11 <phila> Draft proposal -  That the Best practice on Preserve people's right to privacy be removed

Phil Archer: Draft proposal - That the Best practice on Preserve people's right to privacy be removed

16:50:27 <annette_g> * :)*

Annette Greiner: * :)*

16:50:30 <phila> Draft proposal that the section on sensitive data be reviewed in the broader scope of the doc

Phil Archer: Draft proposal that the section on sensitive data be reviewed in the broader scope of the doc

16:50:50 <phila> draft proposal - that privacy is an important issue and we shouold say something, even if it is only "think about this stuff"

Phil Archer: draft proposal - that privacy is an important issue and we shouold say something, even if it is only "think about this stuff"

16:51:22 <phila> PROPOSED: That the Best practice on Preserve People's Right to privacy be removed

PROPOSED: That the Best practice on Preserve People's Right to privacy be removed

16:51:26 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

16:51:31 <Makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

16:51:31 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

16:51:31 <newtoncalegari> +1

+1

16:51:33 <Caroline> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

16:51:34 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

16:51:36 <Seiji> +1

Seiji Isotani: +1

16:51:43 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

16:51:53 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

16:52:04 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: Editors will review the Senstive Data section

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Editors will review the Senstive Data section

16:52:17 <phila> PROPOSED: That the section on sensitive data be reviewed in the broader scope of the document

PROPOSED: That the section on sensitive data be reviewed in the broader scope of the document

16:52:23 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

16:52:27 <Makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

16:52:30 <newtoncalegari> +1

+1

16:52:33 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

16:52:33 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

16:52:33 <Gisele> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

16:52:33 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

16:52:35 <Seiji> +1

Seiji Isotani: +1

16:52:35 <Caroline> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

16:52:38 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

16:52:38 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

16:52:41 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> +1

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16:52:51 <phila> RESOLVED: That the Best practice on Preserve People's Right to privacy be removed

RESOLVED: That the Best practice on Preserve People's Right to privacy be removed

16:52:51 <yaso> newtoncalegari, Draft proposal -  That the Best practice on Preserve people's right to privacy be removed

Yaso Córdova: newtoncalegari, Draft proposal - That the Best practice on Preserve people's right to privacy be removed

16:52:58 <phila> RESOLUTION: That the Best practice on Preserve People's Right to privacy be removed

RESOLVED: That the Best practice on Preserve People's Right to privacy be removed

16:53:07 <phila> RESOLVED: That the section on sensitive data be reviewed in the broader scope of the document

RESOLVED: That the section on sensitive data be reviewed in the broader scope of the document

16:53:15 <phila> RESOLUTION: That the section on sensitive data be reviewed in the broader scope of the document

RESOLVED: That the section on sensitive data be reviewed in the broader scope of the document

16:53:33 <phila> close action-164

Phil Archer: close ACTION-164

16:53:33 <trackbot> Closed action-164.

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16:53:39 <phila> close action-166

Phil Archer: close ACTION-166

16:53:40 <trackbot> Closed action-166.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-166.

16:53:47 <phila> close issue-137

Phil Archer: close ISSUE-137

16:53:47 <trackbot> Closed issue-137.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-137.

16:54:45 <BernadetteLoscio> bye bye! thanks!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: bye bye! thanks!

16:54:56 <annette_g> * closed instead of close? *

Annette Greiner: * closed instead of close? *

16:54:59 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/166

Yaso Córdova: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/166

16:55:07 <yaso> issue-166

Yaso Córdova: ISSUE-166

16:55:07 <trackbot> issue-166 -- Should the data vocabularies section be removed? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-166 -- Should the data vocabularies section be removed? -- open

16:55:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/166

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/166

16:55:08 <newtoncalegari> yaso: we're going to discuss about the issue-166

Yaso Córdova: we're going to discuss about the ISSUE-166

16:55:36 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: there is an ongoing discussion about this section

Bernadette Farias Loscio: there is an ongoing discussion about this section

16:55:46 <newtoncalegari> ... on removing or not the vocabularies section

... on removing or not the vocabularies section

16:56:15 <annette_g> * oops, didn't see the whole interaction w/trackbot *

Annette Greiner: * oops, didn't see the whole interaction w/trackbot *

16:56:29 <newtoncalegari> ... in this section we have more BPs related on publishing vocabularies, and only one on using vocabularies

... in this section we have more BPs related on publishing vocabularies, and only one on using vocabularies

16:56:35 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:56:45 <Caroline> q-

Caroline Burle: q-

16:56:52 <newtoncalegari> ... there is a discussion if we should have BP for publishing vocabularies or not

... there is a discussion if we should have BP for publishing vocabularies or not

16:56:56 <RiccardoAlbertoni> bye nandana !

Riccardo Albertoni: bye nandana !

16:57:22 <newtoncalegari> ... I discussed by email with antoine, we had some agreements, but we want know if the group agrees on keeping the section or not

... I discussed by email with antoine, we had some agreements, but we want know if the group agrees on keeping the section or not

16:57:26 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:57:45 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

16:57:51 <yaso> ack laufer

Yaso Córdova: ack laufer

16:58:13 <newtoncalegari> laufer: when you say to remove the section, we need to remove the BPs of the section?

Carlos Laufer: when you say to remove the section, we need to remove the BPs of the section?

16:58:15 <antoine> this is a fair account, BernadetteLoscio

Antoine Isaac: this is a fair account, BernadetteLoscio

16:58:53 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: no. antoine and I have agreed on keep the section, but it's not about the vocabulary creation, but it's vocabulary publication

Bernadette Farias Loscio: no. antoine and I have agreed on keep the section, but it's not about the vocabulary creation, but it's vocabulary publication

16:59:01 <antoine> also about re-use

Antoine Isaac: also about re-use

16:59:02 <Seiji> +1 keep the section

Seiji Isotani: +1 keep the section

16:59:04 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

16:59:26 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: not sure if BP14 should be there

Bernadette Farias Loscio: not sure if BP14 should be there

16:59:53 <yaso> ack laufer

Yaso Córdova: ack laufer

17:00:11 <newtoncalegari> laufer: I don't think BP14 is equal to the 'Re-use vocabularies'

Carlos Laufer: I don't think BP14 is equal to the 'Re-use vocabularies'

17:00:39 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

17:00:46 <yaso> laufer has a point

Yaso Córdova: laufer has a point

17:00:48 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

17:00:50 <newtoncalegari> ... for me vocabulary is a kind of dataset

... for me vocabulary is a kind of dataset

17:00:57 <yaso> ack RiccardoAlbertoni

Yaso Córdova: ack RiccardoAlbertoni

17:01:55 <annette_g> examples?

Annette Greiner: examples?

17:02:03 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

17:02:06 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

17:02:18 <newtoncalegari> laufer: we can't deal with vocabulary like a special kind of dataset

Carlos Laufer: we can't deal with vocabulary like a special kind of dataset

17:02:26 <yaso> ack antoine

Yaso Córdova: ack antoine

17:02:30 <newtoncalegari> q+

q+

17:03:08 <newtoncalegari> antoine: I disagree with laufer

Antoine Isaac: I disagree with laufer

17:03:09 <annette_g> +! that these are not datasets

Annette Greiner: +! that these are not datasets

17:03:12 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

17:03:30 <newtoncalegari> scribe: Caroline

(Scribe set to Caroline Burle)

17:03:50 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

17:03:55 <newtoncalegari> q-

Newton Calegari: q-

17:04:22 <Caroline> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: if you consider all the schemas it would be strange to make recommendations

Giancarlo Guizzardi: if you consider all the schemas it would be strange to make recommendations

17:04:32 <Caroline> ... but if the focus is dataset

... but if the focus is dataset

17:04:53 <Caroline> ... the dataset may refers to one BP and define the terms

... the dataset may refers to one BP and define the terms

17:05:10 <Caroline> ... it is a essencial aspect of quality of data to have these BPs

... it is a essencial aspect of quality of data to have these BPs

17:05:15 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

17:05:19 <Caroline> ... we must say something about it

... we must say something about it

17:05:26 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

17:05:27 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio

Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio

17:05:37 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: do you think we need to have BPs for the publication of this

Bernadette Farias Loscio: do you think we need to have BPs for the publication of this

17:05:51 <newtoncalegari> q+

Newton Calegari: q+

17:06:05 <Caroline> ... or we just keep the BP like "we should use vocabularies" and "we should use standards"

... or we just keep the BP like "we should use vocabularies" and "we should use standards"

17:06:34 <Caroline> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: we should talk about the quality of relation between the datasets and what we use to annotation

Giancarlo Guizzardi: we should talk about the quality of relation between the datasets and what we use to annotation

17:06:47 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

17:06:51 <Caroline> ... we should recommend that people use those, whatever they are

... we should recommend that people use those, whatever they are

17:06:53 <deirdrelee> ack newtoncalegari

Deirdre Lee: ack newtoncalegari

17:06:59 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

17:07:05 <Caroline> newtoncalegari: I agree on re-using vocabulary

Newton Calegari: I agree on re-using vocabulary

17:07:15 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

17:07:19 <Caroline> ... but it seems confusing on standarizing terms

... but it seems confusing on standarizing terms

17:07:44 <Caroline> phila: standarizing terms maybe not in a vocabulary, I personally woul keep it

Phil Archer: standarizing terms maybe not in a vocabulary, I personally woul keep it

17:08:18 <Caroline> ... use them, re-use them and tell people what you have re-used is what we could keep

... use them, re-use them and tell people what you have re-used is what we could keep

17:08:42 <newtoncalegari> q+

Newton Calegari: q+

17:08:51 <phila> ack deirdrelee

Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee

17:09:41 <deirdrelee> ack newtoncalegari

Deirdre Lee: ack newtoncalegari

17:09:43 <Caroline> deirdrelee: if we are talking about vocabularies meaning standarized terms and also core vocabulaires or in sens of schemas

Deirdre Lee: if we are talking about vocabularies meaning standarized terms and also core vocabulaires or in sens of schemas

17:10:03 <Caroline> newtoncalegari: using standarized terms refering as vocabularies

Newton Calegari: using standarized terms refering as vocabularies

17:10:29 <Caroline> ... when you say it is like everyone using the same vocabulary could use FOAF, per example

... when you say it is like everyone using the same vocabulary could use FOAF, per example

17:10:32 <phila> newtoncalegari: Using standardised terms, referring to vocabs... if I use FOAF - should we always use the prefix 'foaf:'

Newton Calegari: Using standardised terms, referring to vocabs... if I use FOAF - should we always use the prefix 'foaf:' [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

17:10:46 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

17:10:55 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: it is not clear the difference vocabularies and standarized terms and also from core vocabulaires to other vocabularies

Bernadette Farias Loscio: it is not clear the difference vocabularies and standarized terms and also from core vocabulaires to other vocabularies

17:10:56 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: I don't know how to distinguish between core vocabs and others

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I don't know how to distinguish between core vocabs and others [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

17:11:17 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: We have BPs 15, 16, 17 and 19

Bernadette Farias Loscio: We have BPs 15, 16, 17 and 19 [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

17:11:26 <Caroline> ... we have 2 things: 1. BPs 15, 16, 17 and 19 are related to vocabularies publication

... we have 2 things: 1. BPs 15, 16, 17 and 19 are related to vocabularies publication

17:11:32 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

17:11:34 <phila> ... those are related to vocab publication.

Phil Archer: ... those are related to vocab publication.

17:11:35 <Caroline> ... 2. relation between 14 an 18

... 2. relation between 14 an 18

17:11:43 <deirdrelee> ack laufer

Deirdre Lee: ack laufer

17:11:45 <phila> ... What is the relationship between 14 and 18

Phil Archer: ... What is the relationship between 14 and 18

17:11:55 <phila> laufer: Is a code list a vocabulary?

Carlos Laufer: Is a code list a vocabulary? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

17:12:06 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

17:12:35 <phila> scribe; Caroline

Phil Archer: scribe; Caroline

17:12:36 <ericstephan> If I cross my eyes I have no problems distinguishing between vocabularies and standardized terms.  ;-)

Eric Stephan: If I cross my eyes I have no problems distinguishing between vocabularies and standardized terms. ;-)

17:12:39 <phila> scribe: Caroline
17:12:53 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g

Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g

17:13:07 <Caroline> annette_g: I think vocabulary is not data

Annette Greiner: I think vocabulary is not data

17:13:21 <Caroline> ... if vocabularies were the same as data

... if vocabularies were the same as data

17:13:27 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

17:13:46 <Caroline> ... it is woth to try people how to be consistency when they use their own terms

... it is woth to try people how to be consistency when they use their own terms

17:13:47 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

17:14:04 <phila> +1 to annette_g

Phil Archer: +1 to annette_g

17:14:12 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

17:14:16 <Caroline> ... if there is not a vocabulary you can try to be consistency

... if there is not a vocabulary you can try to be consistency

17:14:17 <Makx> There are two types of 'vocabularies'; a. predicate vocabularies (e.. Dublin Core terems) and b. value vocabularies (such as code lists, e.g. language codes)

Makx Dekkers: There are two types of 'vocabularies'; a. predicate vocabularies (e.. Dublin Core terems) and b. value vocabularies (such as code lists, e.g. language codes)

17:14:19 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan

Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan

17:14:26 <deirdrelee> q-

Deirdre Lee: q-

17:14:44 <Caroline> ericstephan: the question about difficulties on semantic web that someone asked at Web.br

Eric Stephan: the question about difficulties on semantic web that someone asked at Web.br

17:15:09 <Caroline> ... I think one of the difficulties of adopting semantic web or existing vocabularies is ??

... I think one of the difficulties of adopting semantic web or existing vocabularies is ??

17:15:27 <Caroline> ... I think having guidance on how people use vocabularies is helpful

... I think having guidance on how people use vocabularies is helpful

17:15:31 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

17:15:32 <Caroline> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: I agree with phil

Giancarlo Guizzardi: I agree with phil

17:15:46 <Caroline> ... use standarized terms makes sense

... use standarized terms makes sense

17:15:48 <phila> q+ to focus on Use Standardised Terms

Phil Archer: q+ to focus on Use Standardised Terms

17:16:06 <Caroline> ... and re-use vocabularies makes sense also

... and re-use vocabularies makes sense also

17:16:22 <Caroline> ... BPs 14 and 18 may be miss interpreted

... BPs 14 and 18 may be miss interpreted

17:16:45 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

17:16:45 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to focus on Use Standardised Terms

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to focus on Use Standardised Terms

17:16:53 <Caroline> ... we should be clear that we are talking about using vocabs to annotate metadada

... we should be clear that we are talking about using vocabs to annotate metadada

17:17:17 <Caroline> phila: standarized terms could be written code lists

Phil Archer: standarized terms could be written code lists

17:17:39 <Caroline> ... maybe be not metadata

... maybe be not metadata

17:17:53 <antoine> for the record code lists are mentioned in BP 19

Antoine Isaac: for the record code lists are mentioned in BP 19

17:18:05 <Caroline> ... to write it it is better to talk first about standarized terms and then code lists

... to write it it is better to talk first about standarized terms and then code lists

17:18:14 <Caroline> ... I would use BP 19

... I would use BP 19

17:18:27 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

17:18:32 <Caroline> ... the ones that are clearly about vocabs we could take them out

... the ones that are clearly about vocabs we could take them out

17:18:51 <Caroline> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: on BP 19 we should make it clear that we are not talking about vocabulary creation

Giancarlo Guizzardi: on BP 19 we should make it clear that we are not talking about vocabulary creation

17:18:55 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

17:19:04 <annette_g> q-

Annette Greiner: q-

17:19:06 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi n

Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi n

17:19:16 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

17:19:36 <phila> PROPOSED: That the BP on Use Standardized Terms be amended to talk about terms and code lists

PROPOSED: That the BP on Use Standardized Terms be amended to talk about terms and code lists

17:20:30 <phila> draft prop - that

Phil Archer: draft prop - that

17:20:30 <phila> Best Practice 15: Document vocabularies, Share vocabularies in an open way ,  Vocabulary versioning be removed

Phil Archer: Best Practice 15: Document vocabularies, Share vocabularies in an open way , Vocabulary versioning be removed

17:22:23 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

17:22:29 <Caroline> laufer: we have a lot of communities that use some terms as standards for them

Carlos Laufer: we have a lot of communities that use some terms as standards for them

17:22:35 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

17:23:06 <Caroline> deirdrelee: to be part of a code list of vocabulary it doesn't have to be standarized

Deirdre Lee: to be part of a code list of vocabulary it doesn't have to be standarized

17:23:07 <yaso> q+

Yaso Córdova: q+

17:23:14 <yaso> ack deirdrelee

Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee

17:23:14 <Caroline> ack deirdrelee

ack deirdrelee

17:23:14 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

17:23:29 <Caroline> laufer: I don't think we have to use informal things

Carlos Laufer: I don't think we have to use informal things

17:23:33 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

17:23:54 <Caroline> ... but I don't know that our BPs are restricted to things that are only standarized

... but I don't know that our BPs are restricted to things that are only standarized

17:24:02 <Caroline> ack yaso

ack yaso

17:24:06 <phila> Community Standard is the usual term for something everyone uses that isn't a formal standard

Phil Archer: Community Standard is the usual term for something everyone uses that isn't a formal standard

17:24:08 <deirdrelee> q+ to give example of informal codelist

Deirdre Lee: q+ to give example of informal codelist

17:24:19 <annette_g> I cannot hear anything

Annette Greiner: I cannot hear anything

17:24:22 <phila> Examples include RSS, GTFS, robots.txt etc.

Phil Archer: Examples include RSS, GTFS, robots.txt etc.

17:24:25 <Caroline> yaso: at netflix they classify films themselves

Yaso Córdova: at netflix they classify films themselves

17:24:41 <annette_g> * just been about a minute*

Annette Greiner: * just been about a minute*

17:24:42 <Caroline> ... they create a lot of relationships between the movies and what people write there

... they create a lot of relationships between the movies and what people write there

17:24:51 <Caroline> ... they don't use W3C standards

... they don't use W3C standards

17:25:08 <RiccardoAlbertoni> yes

Riccardo Albertoni: yes

17:25:10 <Makx> I think the term 'vocabulary' is really confusing!

Makx Dekkers: I think the term 'vocabulary' is really confusing!

17:25:14 <Caroline> ... are you saying that what netflix does would be that?

... are you saying that what netflix does would be that?

17:25:20 <Caroline> laufer: kind of

Carlos Laufer: kind of

17:25:42 <BernadetteLoscio> q-

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q-

17:25:45 <annette_g> * I got it, local problem *

Annette Greiner: * I got it, local problem *

17:25:52 <Caroline> yaso: if I have a online news agency I could have standards there

Yaso Córdova: if I have a online news agency I could have standards there

17:25:56 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

17:25:59 <yaso> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

Yaso Córdova: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

17:26:11 <Caroline> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: the purpose of this BPs is to increase the interoperability

Giancarlo Guizzardi: the purpose of this BPs is to increase the interoperability

17:26:22 <Caroline> ... to community to re-use vocabs

... to community to re-use vocabs

17:26:23 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

17:26:28 <yaso> ack deirdrelee

Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee

17:26:28 <Zakim> deirdrelee, you wanted to give example of informal codelist

Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee, you wanted to give example of informal codelist

17:26:33 <Caroline> ... we could capture that on these terms

... we could capture that on these terms

17:26:33 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

17:27:08 <Caroline> deirdrelee: in Irland there are 4 or 5 vocabs valid for spacial references

Deirdre Lee: in Irland there are 4 or 5 vocabs valid for spacial references

17:27:16 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio

Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio

17:27:33 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: we should define what we mean about standarized terms

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we should define what we mean about standarized terms

17:27:44 <Caroline> ... I propose we keep it and put code list

... I propose we keep it and put code list

17:27:58 <Caroline> ... considering also Giancarlo_Guizzardi suggestion's to show the consensus about a term

... considering also Giancarlo_Guizzardi suggestion's to show the consensus about a term

17:28:01 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

17:28:01 <Makx> And also define what we mean by 'vocabulary'

Makx Dekkers: And also define what we mean by 'vocabulary'

17:28:09 <Caroline> ... we can rewrite it considering these comments

... we can rewrite it considering these comments

17:28:20 <BernadetteLoscio> yes Makx ;)

Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes Makx ;)

17:28:35 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> It think it is more about shared vocabularies than standard vocabularies, i.e., vocabularies that capture a consensus of the community the dataset refers to

Giancarlo Guizzardi: It think it is more about shared vocabularies than standard vocabularies, i.e., vocabularies that capture a consensus of the community the dataset refers to

17:28:59 <annette_g> * is someone speaking/ *

Annette Greiner: * is someone speaking/ *

17:29:14 <RiccardoAlbertoni> could you write a proposal because I think I am a little lost ;)

Riccardo Albertoni: could you write a proposal because I think I am a little lost ;)

17:29:17 <BernadetteLoscio> :)

Bernadette Farias Loscio: :)

17:29:20 <phila> Draft proposals:

Phil Archer: Draft proposals:

17:29:20 <phila> - That Use Standardized Terms be amended to refer to code lists and other commonly used terms.

Phil Archer: - That Use Standardized Terms be amended to refer to code lists and other commonly used terms.

17:29:20 <phila> - That Document vocabularies , Share vocabularies in an open way, Vocabulary versioning be removed from the document.

Phil Archer: - That Document vocabularies , Share vocabularies in an open way, Vocabulary versioning be removed from the document.

17:29:20 <phila> - That Re-use vocabularies be retained

Phil Archer: - That Re-use vocabularies be retained

17:29:21 <phila> - That Choose the right formalization level be reviewed

Phil Archer: - That Choose the right formalization level be reviewed

17:29:25 <Caroline> phila: I have 4 proposals

Phil Archer: I have 4 proposals

17:29:42 <Caroline> ... before we do all that, is that a consensus?

... before we do all that, is that a consensus?

17:30:11 <laufer> +4

Carlos Laufer: +4

17:30:11 <annette_g> +4

Annette Greiner: +4

17:30:12 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

17:30:16 <Caroline> +4

+4

17:30:25 <yaso> ack deirdrelee

Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee

17:30:31 <PeterWinstanley> q+

Peter Winstanley: q+

17:30:36 <yaso> +4 also (new kind of voting)

Yaso Córdova: +4 also (new kind of voting)

17:30:41 <Caroline> deirdrelee: from the external comments and feedback was anything about it?

Deirdre Lee: from the external comments and feedback was anything about it?

17:30:44 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

17:30:46 <laufer> speed voting

Carlos Laufer: speed voting

17:30:48 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: no, only internal discussion for now

Bernadette Farias Loscio: no, only internal discussion for now

17:30:54 <yaso> ack PeterWinstanley

Yaso Córdova: ack PeterWinstanley

17:31:02 <Caroline> PeterWinstanley: I have to go! I see you tomorrow!

Peter Winstanley: I have to go! I see you tomorrow!

17:31:05 <annette_g> bye Peter!

Annette Greiner: bye Peter!

17:31:05 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +4 (+1 (but we should make sure that we don't mean Use Standardized Terms in creating your vocabulary and we don't mean "use the right formalization level in creating...")

Giancarlo Guizzardi: +4 (+1 (but we should make sure that we don't mean Use Standardized Terms in creating your vocabulary and we don't mean "use the right formalization level in creating...")

17:31:07 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

17:31:12 <Makx> -1

Makx Dekkers: -1

17:31:15 <yaso> ack RiccardoAlbertoni

Yaso Córdova: ack RiccardoAlbertoni

17:31:30 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> and we don't mean re-use vocabularies in creating a vocabulary, etc...

Giancarlo Guizzardi: and we don't mean re-use vocabularies in creating a vocabulary, etc...

17:31:38 <Caroline> RiccardoAlbertoni: I am ok with it

Riccardo Albertoni: I am ok with it

17:31:58 <Caroline> ... but I would like to see something: "if you are defining your own vocab follow this"

... but I would like to see something: "if you are defining your own vocab follow this"

17:32:16 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

17:32:23 <Caroline> yaso: are you saying that we should recommend if someone is defining a new vocab

Yaso Córdova: are you saying that we should recommend if someone is defining a new vocab

17:32:32 <phila> The BP on re-using vocabs already points to the LD-BP document

Phil Archer: The BP on re-using vocabs already points to the LD-BP document

17:32:38 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

17:32:43 <deirdrelee> q+ that could be part of desc of bp18

Deirdre Lee: q+ that could be part of desc of bp18

17:32:50 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

17:32:50 <Caroline> RiccardoAlbertoni: we should at least adjust to follow the document that has been done in Linked Data Government group, per example

Riccardo Albertoni: we should at least adjust to follow the document that has been done in Linked Data Government group, per example

17:32:51 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio

Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio

17:32:57 <deirdrelee> q+ to sya that could be part of desc of bp18

Deirdre Lee: q+ to sya that could be part of desc of bp18

17:33:03 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: we can put this in the section introduction

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we can put this in the section introduction

17:33:08 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

17:33:08 <yaso> ack annette_g

Yaso Córdova: ack annette_g

17:33:12 <Caroline> ... that there are other materials

... that there are other materials

17:33:12 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

17:33:33 <Caroline> annette_g: if you have to create a vocabulary, how are we mentioning something that already exists?

Annette Greiner: if you have to create a vocabulary, how are we mentioning something that already exists?

17:33:38 <Caroline> q+

q+

17:33:44 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

17:34:02 <Caroline> ... if you don't find a existing vocab you could use something that already exists

... if you don't find a existing vocab you could use something that already exists

17:34:02 <yaso> ack RiccardoAlbertoni

Yaso Córdova: ack RiccardoAlbertoni

17:34:31 <Caroline> RiccardoAlbertoni: if you have a data to publish and you have your own database and the schema is not mentioning what you are using

Riccardo Albertoni: if you have a data to publish and you have your own database and the schema is not mentioning what you are using

17:34:43 <Caroline> ... you need to define more portion of a vocab

... you need to define more portion of a vocab

17:34:59 <Caroline> ... as a publisher you have to make that undertandable

... as a publisher you have to make that undertandable

17:35:11 <Caroline> ... that is why you suppose to publish your vocabulary

... that is why you suppose to publish your vocabulary

17:35:22 <Caroline> ... and people can understand a specific attibute

... and people can understand a specific attibute

17:35:43 <Caroline> ... my suggestion is to put a link to Linked Data gov group because they already explain how to do data

... my suggestion is to put a link to Linked Data gov group because they already explain how to do data

17:36:12 <yaso> ack deirdrelee

Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee

17:36:12 <Zakim> deirdrelee, you wanted to sya that could be part of desc of bp18

Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee, you wanted to sya that could be part of desc of bp18

17:36:12 <Caroline> ... if you don't want to go to linked data we can suggest that it could rely on something else

... if you don't want to go to linked data we can suggest that it could rely on something else

17:36:17 <Caroline> deirdrelee: I agree with RiccardoAlbertoni

Deirdre Lee: I agree with RiccardoAlbertoni

17:36:26 <Makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

17:36:34 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

17:36:39 <yaso> ack phila

Yaso Córdova: ack phila

17:36:40 <Caroline> ... we can mention the vocabs to be seen

... we can mention the vocabs to be seen

17:36:46 <Caroline> phila: there is already in the BPs

Phil Archer: there is already in the BPs

17:36:51 <Caroline> ... it could be enphasized

... it could be emphazied

17:37:08 <Caroline> s/enphasized/emphazied
17:37:17 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

17:37:29 <yaso> ack Caroline

Yaso Córdova: ack Caroline

17:37:41 <phila> RiccardoAlbertoni: Yes, it's there but we should emphasise that the doc talks about creating vocabs if they don't already exist.

Riccardo Albertoni: Yes, it's there but we should emphasise that the doc talks about creating vocabs if they don't already exist. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

17:38:30 <Caroline> Makx: BP 18 we use in a way that RDF uses vocabs

Makx Dekkers: BP 18 we use in a way that RDF uses vocabs

17:38:44 <Caroline> ... in DCAT they talk in a different way

... in DCAT they talk in a different way

17:39:02 <Caroline> ... sometimes we use vocabs differently

... sometimes we use vocabs differently

17:39:22 <Caroline> ... my suggestion is that where we use vocabs as attibutes

... my suggestion is that where we use vocabs as attibutes

17:39:23 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

17:39:40 <Caroline> ... so people who are not familiar with linked data don't get confused

... so people who are not familiar with linked data don't get confused

17:39:41 <phila> q-

Phil Archer: q-

17:39:50 <Caroline> ... I agree that on 14 we use the word standarized terms

... I agree that on 14 we use the word standarized terms

17:40:08 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

17:40:14 <yaso> ack laufer

Yaso Córdova: ack laufer

17:40:32 <Caroline> laufer: when we are publishing data we have a BP to provide structural metadata

Carlos Laufer: when we are publishing data we have a BP to provide structural metadata

17:40:43 <Caroline> ... a vocab like FOAF doesn't need to be explained

... a vocab like FOAF doesn't need to be explained

17:41:11 <Caroline> ... if I will publish my own ontology the linked data WG can show how to do it

... if I will publish my own ontology the linked data WG can show how to do it

17:41:20 <Caroline> ... we could put a link to this document

... we could put a link to this document

17:41:26 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio

Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio

17:41:27 <Caroline> ... I think we don't have to say how to do this

... I think we don't have to say how to do this

17:41:53 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

17:41:55 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: I think we can keep Phil's proposal and change the one to re-use the term vocab and say that the term vocab can be defined

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think we can keep Phil's proposal and change the one to re-use the term vocab and say that the term vocab can be defined

17:42:07 <Caroline> ... Makx do you agree?

... Makx do you agree?

17:42:12 <phila> draft 3 becomes... - That Re-use vocabularies be retained but the term vocabulary should be defined as a set of attributes

Phil Archer: draft 3 becomes... - That Re-use vocabularies be retained but the term vocabulary should be defined as a set of attributes

17:42:39 <phila> i.e. we get

Phil Archer: i.e. we get

17:42:40 <phila> Draft proposals:

Phil Archer: Draft proposals:

17:42:40 <phila> - That Use Standardized Terms be amended to refer to code lists and other commonly used terms.

Phil Archer: - That Use Standardized Terms be amended to refer to code lists and other commonly used terms.

17:42:40 <phila> - That Document vocabularies, Share vocabularies in an open way, Vocabulary versioning be removed from the document.

Phil Archer: - That Document vocabularies, Share vocabularies in an open way, Vocabulary versioning be removed from the document.

17:42:40 <phila> - That Re-use vocabularies be retained but the term vocabulary should be defined as a set of attributes

Phil Archer: - That Re-use vocabularies be retained but the term vocabulary should be defined as a set of attributes

17:42:41 <Sumit_Purohit> present++

Sumit Purohit: present++

17:42:41 <phila> - That Choose the right formalization level be reviewed

Phil Archer: - That Choose the right formalization level be reviewed

17:42:49 <phila> present+ Sumit_Purohit

Phil Archer: present+ Sumit_Purohit

17:42:50 <yaso> Hi Sumit_Purohit :-)

Yaso Córdova: Hi Sumit_Purohit :-)

17:42:55 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

17:43:00 <Sumit_Purohit> Hi Everyone.

Sumit Purohit: Hi Everyone.

17:43:05 <phila> PROPOSED: That Use Standardized Terms be amended to refer to code lists and other commonly used terms.

PROPOSED: That Use Standardized Terms be amended to refer to code lists and other commonly used terms.

17:43:12 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

17:43:13 <Caroline> +1

+1

17:43:14 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

17:43:14 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

17:43:15 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

17:43:15 <Seiji> +1

Seiji Isotani: +1

17:43:16 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

17:43:19 <Makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

17:43:19 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

17:43:19 <newtoncalegari> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

17:43:19 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

17:43:23 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

17:43:27 <phila> RESOLVED: That Use Standardized Terms be amended to refer to code lists and other commonly used terms.

RESOLVED: That Use Standardized Terms be amended to refer to code lists and other commonly used terms.

17:43:27 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> +1+

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17:43:33 <Sumit_Purohit> +1

Sumit Purohit: +1

17:43:35 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +1

Giancarlo Guizzardi: +1

17:43:35 <phila> PROPOSED: That Document vocabularies, Share vocabularies in an open way, Vocabulary versioning be removed from the document.

PROPOSED: That Document vocabularies, Share vocabularies in an open way, Vocabulary versioning be removed from the document.

17:43:41 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

17:43:43 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

17:43:43 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

17:43:44 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +1

Giancarlo Guizzardi: +1

17:43:45 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

17:43:46 <Seiji> +1

Seiji Isotani: +1

17:43:47 <Caroline> +1

+1

17:43:48 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

17:43:49 <newtoncalegari> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

17:43:55 <Makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

17:43:55 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

17:43:58 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

17:44:01 <Caroline> +1

+1

17:44:07 <phila> RESOLVED: That Document vocabularies, Share vocabularies in an open way, Vocabulary versioning be removed from the document.

RESOLVED: That Document vocabularies, Share vocabularies in an open way, Vocabulary versioning be removed from the document.

17:44:14 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

17:44:15 <phila> PROPOSED: That Re-use vocabularies be retained but the term vocabulary should be defined as a set of attributes

PROPOSED: That Re-use vocabularies be retained but the term vocabulary should be defined as a set of attributes

17:44:22 <Makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

17:44:24 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

17:44:25 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

17:44:25 <Caroline> +1

+1

17:44:27 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

17:44:27 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

17:44:28 <Gisele> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

17:44:28 <newtoncalegari> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

17:44:31 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

17:44:33 <antoine> 0

Antoine Isaac: 0

17:44:50 <Seiji> +1

Seiji Isotani: +1

17:44:54 <Sumit_Purohit> +1

Sumit Purohit: +1

17:45:02 <yaso> ack antoine

Yaso Córdova: ack antoine

17:45:49 <Caroline> antoine: I have been though this once

Antoine Isaac: I have been though this once

17:45:53 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

17:46:18 <Caroline> antoine: if the group feels this should be there I am not opposing this

Antoine Isaac: if the group feels this should be there I am not opposing this

17:46:29 <Makx> Current text in intro says "According to W3C, vocabularies define the concepts and relationships (also referred to as “terms”) ..."

Makx Dekkers: Current text in intro says "According to W3C, vocabularies define the concepts and relationships (also referred to as “terms”) ..."

17:46:42 <Caroline> ... I am just warning it is not easy to do it

... I am just warning it is not easy to do it

17:46:51 <Makx> Let's add (... "terms" or "attributes")

Makx Dekkers: Let's add (... "terms" or "attributes")

17:47:04 <Caroline> ... this section has 4 paragraphs trying to describe what vocab is

... this section has 4 paragraphs trying to describe what vocab is

17:47:11 <Caroline> q+

q+

17:47:11 <phila> yaso: You're saying it will be difficult to re-write that BP. I wrote those 4 paragraphs introducing the section. It took several weeks - it's not easy

Yaso Córdova: You're saying it will be difficult to re-write that BP. I wrote those 4 paragraphs introducing the section. It took several weeks - it's not easy [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

17:47:15 <Makx> +q

Makx Dekkers: +q

17:47:15 <ericstephan> +1 Makx

Eric Stephan: +1 Makx

17:47:21 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

17:47:25 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio

Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio

17:47:27 <Caroline> yaso: I was going to propose a extention of this definition

Yaso Córdova: I was going to propose a extention of this definition

17:47:43 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: I don't know if we can define a vocab as a set of atributes

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I don't know if we can define a vocab as a set of atributes

17:47:49 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to  Makx's proposal to add  (... "terms" or "attributes") into "According to W3C, vocabularies define the concepts and relationships (also referred to as “terms”) ..."

Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to Makx's proposal to add (... "terms" or "attributes") into "According to W3C, vocabularies define the concepts and relationships (also referred to as “terms”) ..."

17:48:00 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

17:48:04 <Caroline> ... Makx do you agree with the definition we have now?

... Makx do you agree with the definition we have now?

17:48:29 <Caroline> Makx: on the first paragraph it could be add to refer as terms or atributes

Makx Dekkers: on the first paragraph it could be add to refer as terms or atributes

17:48:32 <phila> Makx: Rather than terms, refer to terms and attributes

Makx Dekkers: Rather than terms, refer to terms and attributes [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

17:48:43 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

17:48:49 <Caroline> q-

q-

17:49:07 <yaso> ack Makx

Yaso Córdova: ack Makx

17:49:19 <phila> Draft 3 - - That Re-use vocabularies be retained but that it should refer to 'terms or attributes' to broaden the acceptance beyond the LD community

Phil Archer: Draft 3 - - That Re-use vocabularies be retained but that it should refer to 'terms or attributes' to broaden the acceptance beyond the LD community

17:49:43 <yaso> ack antoine

Yaso Córdova: ack antoine

17:50:06 <Caroline> antoine: if the proposal is that only adding attributes I am fine with it

Antoine Isaac: if the proposal is that only adding attributes I am fine with it

17:50:11 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

17:50:14 <Makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

17:50:16 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

17:50:17 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

17:50:18 <phila> antoine: Happy if we're talking about adding a few words rather than rewriting

Antoine Isaac: Happy if we're talking about adding a few words rather than rewriting [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

17:50:20 <adrianov> +1

Adriano Veloso: +1

17:50:38 <phila> PROPOSED: That Re-use vocabularies be retained but that it should refer to 'terms or attributes' to broaden the acceptance beyond the LD community

PROPOSED: That Re-use vocabularies be retained but that it should refer to 'terms or attributes' to broaden the acceptance beyond the LD community

17:50:41 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

17:50:43 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

17:50:46 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

17:50:48 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

17:50:49 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

17:50:49 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

17:50:50 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

17:50:52 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

17:50:57 <Seiji> +1

Seiji Isotani: +1

17:50:57 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

17:51:00 <newtoncalegari> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

17:51:00 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +1

Giancarlo Guizzardi: +1

17:51:04 <Caroline> +1

+1

17:51:15 <phila> RESOLVED: That Re-use vocabularies be retained but that it should refer to 'terms or attributes' to broaden the acceptance beyond the LD community

RESOLVED: That Re-use vocabularies be retained but that it should refer to 'terms or attributes' to broaden the acceptance beyond the LD community

17:51:20 <phila> PROPOSED: That Choose the right formalization level be reviewed

PROPOSED: That Choose the right formalization level be reviewed

17:51:39 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

17:51:40 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

17:51:42 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

17:51:43 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

17:51:44 <Gisele> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

17:51:46 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

17:51:48 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

17:51:49 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

17:52:00 <Makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

17:52:07 <phila> RESOLVED: That Choose the right formalization level be reviewed

RESOLVED: That Choose the right formalization level be reviewed

17:52:26 <deirdrelee> close issue-166

Deirdre Lee: close ISSUE-166

17:52:27 <trackbot> Closed issue-166.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-166.

17:52:27 <phila> close issue-166

Phil Archer: close ISSUE-166

17:52:27 <trackbot> Closed issue-166.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-166.

17:52:32 <yaso> o/

Yaso Córdova: o/

17:52:37 <phila> Bernadette is happy!

Phil Archer: Bernadette is happy!

17:52:58 <Sumit_Purohit> OK....

Sumit Purohit: OK....

17:53:01 <yaso> we can return in 5 minutes!!

Yaso Córdova: we can return in 5 minutes!!

17:53:04 <deirdrelee> 5 minute break (tea has arrived!)

Deirdre Lee: 5 minute break (tea has arrived!)

17:54:17 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes

17:54:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-minutes.html phila

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-minutes.html phila

18:05:04 <ericstephan> back from coffee run

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Eric Stephan: back from coffee run

18:05:21 <Sumit_Purohit> No one wants to come back from tea ??? :-)

Sumit Purohit: No one wants to come back from tea ??? :-)

18:05:45 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/145

Yaso Córdova: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/145

18:06:33 <phila> Topic: open issues/actions about identification

3. open issues/actions about identification

18:06:35 <deirdrelee> issue-145

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-145

18:06:35 <trackbot> issue-145 -- It makes sense to have a BP "Use unique identifiers"? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-145 -- It makes sense to have a BP "Use unique identifiers"? -- open

18:06:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/145

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/145

18:06:39 <deirdrelee> issue-163

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-163

18:06:39 <trackbot> issue-163 -- Should the bp document refer to uris or identifiers -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-163 -- Should the bp document refer to uris or identifiers -- open

18:06:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/163

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/163

18:06:42 <deirdrelee> issue-194

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-194

18:06:42 <trackbot> issue-194 -- Data Identification -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-194 -- Data Identification -- open

18:06:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/194

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/194

18:07:00 <annette_g> * what one are we on? *

Annette Greiner: * what one are we on? *

18:07:12 <deirdrelee> all three annette_g

Deirdre Lee: all three annette_g

18:07:19 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLos

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Unknown AdrianoCesar-InWeb: BernadetteLos

18:07:31 <deirdrelee> grouped together under agenda https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP

Deirdre Lee: grouped together under agenda https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP

18:07:36 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: the issues on the agenda are grouped by topic

Bernadette Farias Loscio: the issues on the agenda are grouped by topic [ Scribe Assist by Newton Calegari ]

18:07:41 <deirdrelee> all issues about identification

Deirdre Lee: all issues about identification

18:07:52 <deirdrelee> BartvanLeeuwen: let's look at all three together

Bart van Leeuwen: let's look at all three together [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

18:08:11 <deirdrelee> ... lots of discussion on mailing list around uris

Deirdre Lee: ... lots of discussion on mailing list around uris

18:08:18 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLoscio: next one BP 194

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Bernadette Farias Loscio: next one BP 194 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown AdrianoCesar-InWeb ]

18:08:24 <deirdrelee> s/bartvanleeuwen/bernadetteloscio

Deirdre Lee: s/bartvanleeuwen/bernadetteloscio (warning: replacement failed)

18:08:36 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

18:09:19 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

18:09:23 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLoscio: about data identification section, talking about some messages (33) about this topic

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Bernadette Farias Loscio: about data identification section, talking about some messages (33) about this topic [ Scribe Assist by Unknown AdrianoCesar-InWeb ]

18:09:39 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLoscio: is this issue still opened?

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Bernadette Farias Loscio: is this issue still opened? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown AdrianoCesar-InWeb ]

18:09:54 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLoscio: ask Annette about her opinion

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Bernadette Farias Loscio: ask Annette about her opinion [ Scribe Assist by Unknown AdrianoCesar-InWeb ]

18:10:26 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/145

Yaso Córdova: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/145

18:10:38 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> annette_g: the first one is solved (145)

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Annette Greiner: the first one is solved (145) [ Scribe Assist by Unknown AdrianoCesar-InWeb ]

18:10:45 <deirdrelee> close issue-145

Deirdre Lee: close ISSUE-145

18:10:45 <trackbot> Closed issue-145.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-145.

18:10:55 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/163

Yaso Córdova: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/163

18:11:07 <deirdrelee> close issue-163

Deirdre Lee: close ISSUE-163

18:11:09 <trackbot> Closed issue-163.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-163.

18:11:12 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/194

Yaso Córdova: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/194

18:11:28 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

18:12:11 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> yaso: 194 is about limiting this section to information that applies to publishing *data*

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Yaso Córdova: 194 is about limiting this section to information that applies to publishing *data* [ Scribe Assist by Unknown AdrianoCesar-InWeb ]

18:12:14 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

18:12:36 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

18:13:05 <phila> PROPOSED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout

PROPOSED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout

18:13:08 <yaso> ack deirdrelee

Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee

18:13:26 <Makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

18:13:28 <newtoncalegari> q+

Newton Calegari: q+

18:14:01 <Makx> +1 to annette

Makx Dekkers: +1 to annette

18:14:06 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> deirdrelee: decision is to use URI or not? Let´s clarify it

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Deirdre Lee: decision is to use URI or not? Let´s clarify it [ Scribe Assist by Unknown AdrianoCesar-InWeb ]

18:14:18 <yaso> ack newtoncalegari

Yaso Córdova: ack newtoncalegari

18:14:20 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

18:15:33 <phila> PROPOSED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout, unless there is a clear reason to use a differfnet term (URL, IRI etc.)

PROPOSED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout, unless there is a clear reason to use a differfnet term (URL, IRI etc.)

18:15:39 <ericstephan> +1 to consistent and intentional use of uri

Eric Stephan: +1 to consistent and intentional use of uri

18:15:40 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

18:15:45 <phila> PROPOSED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout, unless there is a clear reason to use a different term (URL, IRI etc.)

PROPOSED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout, unless there is a clear reason to use a different term (URL, IRI etc.)

18:16:04 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

18:16:14 <Sumit_Purohit> +1

Sumit Purohit: +1

18:16:24 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

18:16:52 <BernadetteLoscio> q=

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q=

18:16:53 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to phila  about keeping the information

Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to phila about keeping the information

18:17:10 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio

Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio

18:17:39 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLoscio: include the description of the terms and other point is to use this terms in the document

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Bernadette Farias Loscio: include the description of the terms and other point is to use this terms in the document [ Scribe Assist by Unknown AdrianoCesar-InWeb ]

18:17:43 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

18:18:22 <newtoncalegari> q+

Newton Calegari: q+

18:18:40 <yaso> ack annette_g

Yaso Córdova: ack annette_g

18:19:03 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

18:19:07 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> phila: it is important to have definitions informed in the document

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Phil Archer: it is important to have definitions informed in the document [ Scribe Assist by Unknown AdrianoCesar-InWeb ]

18:19:13 <phila> q-

Phil Archer: q-

18:19:16 <yaso> ack newtoncalegari

Yaso Córdova: ack newtoncalegari

18:20:23 <Makx> -1 to Phil

Makx Dekkers: -1 to Phil

18:20:31 <annette_g> -1

Annette Greiner: -1

18:20:51 <Makx> +1 to Ivan

Makx Dekkers: +1 to Ivan

18:21:14 <Makx> Let's not go there

Makx Dekkers: Let's not go there

18:21:23 <phila> +1 makx, let's not

Phil Archer: +1 makx, let's not

18:21:23 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

18:21:35 <phila> PROPOSED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout, unless there is a clear reason to use a different term (URL, IRI etc.)

PROPOSED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout, unless there is a clear reason to use a different term (URL, IRI etc.)

18:21:43 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

18:21:43 <Makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

18:21:45 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

18:21:50 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

18:21:53 <Sumit_Purohit> +1

Sumit Purohit: +1

18:22:13 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1

Bart van Leeuwen: +1

18:22:17 <annette_g> * I keep seeing URI *

Annette Greiner: * I keep seeing URI *

18:22:19 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

18:22:21 <Caroline> +1

+1

18:22:28 <annette_g> * in W3C space *

Annette Greiner: * in W3C space *

18:22:32 <annette_g> -1 to IRI

Annette Greiner: -1 to IRI

18:22:54 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

18:22:56 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

18:23:01 <yaso> ack annette_g

Yaso Córdova: ack annette_g

18:23:14 <Caroline> scribe: Caroline
18:23:46 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

18:23:57 <Caroline> annette_g: using countries specific IRIs I don't think is a BP to include that

Annette Greiner: using countries specific IRIs I don't think is a BP to include that

18:24:09 <Caroline> phila: it is better to use URI considering data

Phil Archer: it is better to use URI considering data

18:24:22 <Caroline> annette_g: I think is a BP of everything on the Web

Annette Greiner: I think is a BP of everything on the Web

18:24:22 <Sumit_Purohit> +q

Sumit Purohit: +q

18:24:27 <Caroline> ... I want to keep it as data

... I want to keep it as data

18:24:37 <Caroline> phila: We can stick as URI

Phil Archer: We can stick as URI

18:24:43 <yaso> ack Sumit_Purohit

Yaso Córdova: ack Sumit_Purohit

18:24:55 <Caroline> ... a lot of people will ready any say "you mean URL"

... a lot of people will ready any say "you mean URL"

18:25:02 <Caroline> scribe: AdrianoCesar-InWeb

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(Scribe set to Unknown AdrianoCesar-InWeb)

18:25:24 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

18:25:45 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

18:25:47 <Makx> I second Annette and I am not American

Makx Dekkers: I second Annette and I am not American

18:26:00 <newtoncalegari> q+

Newton Calegari: q+

18:26:04 <yaso> ack annette_g

Yaso Córdova: ack annette_g

18:26:19 <newtoncalegari> http://sãopaulo.gov.br/example/dataset

Newton Calegari: http://sãopaulo.gov.br/example/dataset

18:26:21 <yaso> ack newtoncalegari

Yaso Córdova: ack newtoncalegari

18:26:36 <newtoncalegari> http://saopaulo.gov.br

Newton Calegari: http://saopaulo.gov.br

18:26:57 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

18:27:02 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> newtoncalegari: give an example of saopaulo.gov.br, the idea is to use an international format

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Newton Calegari: give an example of saopaulo.gov.br, the idea is to use an international format

18:27:36 <deirdrelee> sa0pa0l0.gov.br

Deirdre Lee: sa0pa0l0.gov.br

18:27:38 <phila> +1 to the security issue

Phil Archer: +1 to the security issue

18:27:49 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

18:28:07 <yaso> ack ericstephan

Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan

18:28:11 <newtoncalegari> q+

Newton Calegari: q+

18:28:15 <phila> +1 _ I can't write Sao Paulo properly and easily without copying and pasting from somewhere else

Phil Archer: +1 _ I can't write Sao Paulo properly and easily without copying and pasting from somewhere else

18:29:01 <yaso> ack newtoncalegari

Yaso Córdova: ack newtoncalegari

18:29:03 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

18:29:31 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

18:30:01 <yaso> ack deirdrelee

Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee

18:30:11 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> phila: W3C suggests to use international format, avoid to use special characters

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Phil Archer: W3C suggests to use international format, avoid to use special characters

18:30:31 <yaso> ack annette_g

Yaso Córdova: ack annette_g

18:30:38 <newtoncalegari> +1 deirdree

Newton Calegari: +1 deirdree

18:30:48 <yaso> +1 to deirdrelee

Yaso Córdova: +1 to deirdrelee

18:30:52 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

18:30:57 <yaso> ack newtoncalegari

Yaso Córdova: ack newtoncalegari

18:31:10 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> annette_g: this is important for everything on the Web, not only for data

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Annette Greiner: this is important for everything on the Web, not only for data

18:31:14 <Sumit_Purohit> +1 deirdrelee

Sumit Purohit: +1 deirdrelee

18:31:16 <yaso> +1 to newtoncalegari proposal

Yaso Córdova: +1 to newtoncalegari proposal

18:31:29 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> newtoncalegari: it is important to justify the need to suggest this

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Newton Calegari: it is important to justify the need to suggest this

18:31:29 <annette_g> in a tiny little footnote

Annette Greiner: in a tiny little footnote

18:31:40 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

18:31:47 <Makx> Let's just keep the intro of section 9.7 as it is.

Makx Dekkers: Let's just keep the intro of section 9.7 as it is.

18:31:58 <newtoncalegari> newton: we can use URI and warn about the security issue. what do you think?

Newton Calegari: we can use URI and warn about the security issue. what do you think? [ Scribe Assist by Newton Calegari ]

18:32:18 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> laufer: We are recommending to use URI?

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Carlos Laufer: We are recommending to use URI?

18:32:42 <newtoncalegari> maybe we should recommend to avoid using special characters

Newton Calegari: maybe we should recommend to avoid using special characters

18:32:53 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> +1 to newtoncalegari

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+1 to newtoncalegari

18:33:09 <Sumit_Purohit> need to leave for a meeting..Will be back.

Sumit Purohit: need to leave for a meeting..Will be back.

18:33:28 <newtoncalegari> annette_g, not using special characters we tend to avoid some security issues, right?

Newton Calegari: annette_g, not using special characters we tend to avoid some security issues, right?

18:33:36 <annette_g> right

Annette Greiner: right

18:34:35 <yaso> +1 to newton

Yaso Córdova: +1 to newton

18:35:21 <yaso> annette_g is not happy with the definition

Yaso Córdova: annette_g is not happy with the definition

18:35:34 <phila> PROPOSED: That the definitions of URI, URL and IRI be removed from the draft section 9.7

PROPOSED: That the definitions of URI, URL and IRI be removed from the draft section 9.7

18:35:51 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> annette_g: propose to describe this definition

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Annette Greiner: propose to describe this definition

18:36:13 <phila> Other proposal is to use the term URI throughout

Phil Archer: Other proposal is to use the term URI throughout

18:36:25 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLoscio: we can record that the group agree to use URIs

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Bernadette Farias Loscio: we can record that the group agree to use URIs

18:36:30 <phila> +1 not to discuss this any more

Phil Archer: +1 not to discuss this any more

18:36:49 <phila> annette_g: This is about our own writing, not what other people should do

Annette Greiner: This is about our own writing, not what other people should do [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

18:36:54 <yaso> PROPOSED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout

PROPOSED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout

18:36:54 <phila> PROPOSED: That the definitions of URI, URL and IRI be removed from the draft section 9.7

PROPOSED: That the definitions of URI, URL and IRI be removed from the draft section 9.7

18:37:18 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

18:37:25 <laufer> q-

Carlos Laufer: q-

18:37:35 <yaso> ack phila

Yaso Córdova: ack phila

18:37:44 <newtoncalegari> -1

Newton Calegari: -1

18:38:01 <Makx> keep the second part

Makx Dekkers: keep the second part

18:38:36 <Caroline> q+

Caroline Burle: q+

18:38:38 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLoscio: proposing to rewrite the introduction of the section

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Bernadette Farias Loscio: proposing to rewrite the introduction of the section

18:38:41 <newtoncalegari> q+

Newton Calegari: q+

18:38:48 <annette_g> PROPOSED: That the definitions of URI, URL and IRI be removed from the draft section 9.7

PROPOSED: That the definitions of URI, URL and IRI be removed from the draft section 9.7

18:38:56 <yaso> ack Caroline

Yaso Córdova: ack Caroline

18:39:50 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> Caroline: suggest to explain the definitions, but to explain all definitions

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Caroline Burle: suggest to explain the definitions, but to explain all definitions

18:40:01 <yaso> sorry, annette_g

Yaso Córdova: sorry, annette_g

18:40:11 <yaso> speak slowly, please!

Yaso Córdova: speak slowly, please!

18:40:17 <phila> annette_g: Says this is as crazy as including a definition of antidisestablishmentarianism because we think it's cool

Annette Greiner: Says this is as crazy as including a definition of antidisestablishmentarianism because we think it's cool [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

18:40:39 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> annette_g: there is no reason to define if we are not going to discuss in the document

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Annette Greiner: there is no reason to define if we are not going to discuss in the document

18:40:40 <laufer> +1 to phil proposal

Carlos Laufer: +1 to phil proposal

18:40:46 <yaso> ack newtoncalegari

Yaso Córdova: ack newtoncalegari

18:41:15 <annette_g> maybe we need to decide first whether we are going to include anything about identifiers

Annette Greiner: maybe we need to decide first whether we are going to include anything about identifiers

18:41:17 <yaso> +1 to newtoncalegari

Yaso Córdova: +1 to newtoncalegari

18:41:24 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> newtoncalegari: someone is reading the document to learn, as a W3C document we need to inform the difference between URI, URL etc

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Newton Calegari: someone is reading the document to learn, as a W3C document we need to inform the difference between URI, URL etc

18:41:39 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> ... therefore prefer to keep this in the document

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... therefore prefer to keep this in the document

18:41:45 <yaso> ack phila

Yaso Córdova: ack phila

18:42:02 <yaso> q+

Yaso Córdova: q+

18:42:21 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> phila: I desagree with that because the definition can generate more discussion, since there is no clear definition about these terms

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Phil Archer: I desagree with that because the definition can generate more discussion, since there is no clear definition about these terms

18:42:21 <Seiji> +1 to phil

Seiji Isotani: +1 to phil

18:42:28 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 to phil

Bart van Leeuwen: +1 to phil

18:42:35 <annette_g> +1 to phil

Annette Greiner: +1 to phil

18:42:40 <laufer> completely agree +1

Carlos Laufer: completely agree +1

18:42:53 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> +1 to phil

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+1 to phil

18:43:21 <newtoncalegari> +1 for that proposal

Newton Calegari: +1 for that proposal

18:43:21 <phila> PROPOSED: That the definitions of URI, URL and IRI be removed from the draft section 9.7

PROPOSED: That the definitions of URI, URL and IRI be removed from the draft section 9.7

18:43:21 <yaso> +1 to phil

Yaso Córdova: +1 to phil

18:43:25 <newtoncalegari> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

18:43:25 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

18:43:27 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

18:43:28 <Caroline> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

18:43:29 <Makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

18:43:30 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

18:43:31 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

18:43:34 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

18:43:34 <Seiji> +1

Seiji Isotani: +1

18:43:35 <Gisele> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

18:43:46 <adrianov> +1

Adriano Veloso: +1

18:43:49 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

18:44:12 <phila> RESOLVED: That the definitions of URI, URL and IRI be removed from the draft section 9.7

RESOLVED: That the definitions of URI, URL and IRI be removed from the draft section 9.7

18:44:14 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> yaso: next item

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Yaso Córdova: next item

18:44:42 <phila>  PROPOSED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout, unless there is a clear reason to use a different term (URL, IRI etc.)

Phil Archer: PROPOSED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout, unless there is a clear reason to use a different term (URL, IRI etc.)

18:44:54 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

18:44:57 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

18:44:57 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

18:44:59 <newtoncalegari> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

18:45:00 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

18:45:00 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1

Bart van Leeuwen: +1

18:45:00 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

18:45:01 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

18:45:01 <Seiji> 0

Seiji Isotani: 0

18:45:04 <Gisele> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

18:45:06 <Caroline> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

18:45:07 <Makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

18:45:07 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

18:45:17 <yaso> -q

Yaso Córdova: -q

18:45:19 <laufer> +1 (to define what is a clear reason)

Carlos Laufer: +1 (to define what is a clear reason)

18:45:33 <yaso> ack annette_g

Yaso Córdova: ack annette_g

18:45:55 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

18:45:56 <phila> RESOLVED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout, unless there is a clear reason to use a different term (URL, IRI etc.)

RESOLVED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout, unless there is a clear reason to use a different term (URL, IRI etc.)

18:46:15 <phila> annette_g: What's there now is not specific about data on the Web, it's about anything on the Web

Annette Greiner: What's there now is not specific about data on the Web, it's about anything on the Web [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

18:47:16 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> phila: there is a confussion about what each of these terms represent...

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Phil Archer: there is a confussion about what each of these terms represent...

18:47:50 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

18:48:00 <yaso> +1 to phila

Yaso Córdova: +1 to phila

18:48:10 <yaso> ack annette_g

Yaso Córdova: ack annette_g

18:49:31 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

18:49:37 <phila> annette_g: It's the bulletted list I object to

Annette Greiner: It's the bulletted list I object to [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

18:49:40 <yaso> ack annette_g

Yaso Córdova: ack annette_g

18:49:42 <phila> phila: It's gone

Phil Archer: It's gone [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

18:50:02 <newtoncalegari> q+

Newton Calegari: q+

18:50:03 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

18:50:09 <phila> annette_g: You can't put something on the web without using a URI so it's pointless saying that you need to give datasets a URI

Annette Greiner: You can't put something on the web without using a URI so it's pointless saying that you need to give datasets a URI [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

18:50:22 <newtoncalegari> q-

Newton Calegari: q-

18:50:23 <phila> q+ to try and squatre this circle

Phil Archer: q+ to try and squatre this circle

18:50:42 <yaso> ack deirdrelee

Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee

18:50:43 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

18:51:08 <annette_g> PROPOSED: that the best practice about identifiers be rewritten to address issues when posting data on the web.

PROPOSED: that the best practice about identifiers be rewritten to address issues when posting data on the web.

18:51:48 <newtoncalegari> ack phila

Newton Calegari: ack phila

18:51:48 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to try and squatre this circle

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to try and squatre this circle

18:51:57 <phila> some draft text - When any resource is put on the Web, it has a URI. Many URIs are generated automatically but when sharing data, it is useful to bear in mind the following factors

Phil Archer: some draft text - When any resource is put on the Web, it has a URI. Many URIs are generated automatically but when sharing data, it is useful to bear in mind the following factors

18:52:14 <yaso> +1 to phil

Yaso Córdova: +1 to phil

18:54:39 <deirdrelee> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#DocumentVocabularies

Deirdre Lee: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#DocumentVocabularies

18:55:16 <phila> http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#UniqueIdentifiers

Phil Archer: http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#UniqueIdentifiers

18:55:39 <newtoncalegari> "So what should I do? Designing URIs" http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html

Newton Calegari: "So what should I do? Designing URIs"//www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html

18:56:49 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

18:57:01 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

18:57:07 <yaso> Ack laufer

Yaso Córdova: Ack laufer

18:57:07 <BernadetteLoscio> q-

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q-

18:57:35 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> laufer: if an information does not have an URI, then it is not on the Web...

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Carlos Laufer: if an information does not have an URI, then it is not on the Web...

18:57:47 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

18:58:06 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

18:59:12 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

18:59:18 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> yaso: proposing to try to finish the discussion about this issue

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Yaso Córdova: proposing to try to finish the discussion about this issue

18:59:21 <yaso> ack ericstephan

Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan

18:59:53 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio

Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio

19:00:18 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLoscio: we are going to use URI as identifier, ok? Yes

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Bernadette Farias Loscio: we are going to use URI as identifier, ok? Yes

19:00:36 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLoscio: now we are discussing the best practice, is a different issue, right?

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Bernadette Farias Loscio: now we are discussing the best practice, is a different issue, right?

19:00:56 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> yaso: suggest to annette_g to describe this issue about the best practice...

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Yaso Córdova: suggest to annette_g to describe this issue about the best practice...

19:01:07 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

19:01:15 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> annette_g: I can try it, describing this issue

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Annette Greiner: I can try it, describing this issue

19:02:28 <ericstephan> +1 phila

Eric Stephan: +1 phila

19:03:00 <phila> action: phila to take another run at the BP Use persistent URIs as identifiers

ACTION: phila to take another run at the BP Use persistent URIs as identifiers

19:03:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-204 - Take another run at the bp use persistent uris as identifiers [on Phil Archer - due 2015-10-01].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-204 - Take another run at the bp use persistent uris as identifiers [on Phil Archer - due 2015-10-01].

19:03:11 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio

Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio

19:03:27 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLoscio: we can close the 3 open issues... ok

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Bernadette Farias Loscio: we can close the 3 open issues... ok

19:03:31 <phila> close issue-145

Phil Archer: close ISSUE-145

19:03:31 <trackbot> Closed issue-145.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-145.

19:03:36 <phila> close issue-163

Phil Archer: close ISSUE-163

19:03:36 <trackbot> Closed issue-163.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-163.

19:03:36 <yaso> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning

Yaso Córdova: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning

19:03:42 <phila> close issue-194

Phil Archer: close ISSUE-194

19:03:42 <trackbot> Closed issue-194.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-194.

19:03:48 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> yaso: next topic - Discuss the versioning section and resolve open issues (30 min.)

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Yaso Córdova: next topic - Discuss the versioning section and resolve open issues (30 min.)

19:03:53 <yaso> ISSUE-193

Yaso Córdova: ISSUE-193

19:03:53 <trackbot> ISSUE-193 -- Data Versioning -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-193 -- Data Versioning -- open

19:03:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/193

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/193

19:04:08 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

19:04:16 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio

Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio

19:04:40 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLoscio: in the last Draft (last F2F) we discuss about data versioning...

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Bernadette Farias Loscio: in the last Draft (last F2F) we discuss about data versioning...

19:05:12 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> there was a diagram and we had discussed by email about this... about the meaning of a versioning

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there was a diagram and we had discussed by email about this... about the meaning of a versioning

19:05:24 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

19:05:32 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> We agree that time series is not a case of versioning...

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We agree that time series is not a case of versioning...

19:05:48 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

19:05:50 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> We try to explain better the meaning for versioning for this document

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We try to explain better the meaning for versioning for this document

19:06:26 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

19:06:29 <yaso>  	http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/193

Yaso Córdova: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/193

19:06:35 <BernadetteLoscio> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning

Bernadette Farias Loscio: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning

19:06:36 <phila> http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning

Phil Archer: http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning

19:06:36 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLoscio: annette_g, do you agree with this proposal? Look in agenda, item 193

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Bernadette Farias Loscio: annette_g, do you agree with this proposal? Look in agenda, item 193

19:07:18 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLoscio: one thing is our definition of data versioning

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Bernadette Farias Loscio: one thing is our definition of data versioning

19:07:21 <phila> s/ http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning//
19:07:26 <Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP

Caroline Burle: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP

19:07:35 <phila> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning

Phil Archer: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning

19:07:36 <Caroline> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning

Caroline Burle: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning

19:07:36 <BernadetteLoscio> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning

Bernadette Farias Loscio: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning

19:08:48 <yaso> close issue-193

Yaso Córdova: close ISSUE-193

19:08:48 <trackbot> Closed issue-193.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-193.

19:08:49 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> yaso: is it ok to close this issue (193)?

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Yaso Córdova: is it ok to close this issue (193)?

19:09:02 <yaso> ack deirdrelee

Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee

19:10:03 <ericstephan> I have to leave in 20 minutes unfortunately...

Eric Stephan: I have to leave in 20 minutes unfortunately...

19:10:04 <Makx> I need to leave in 20 minutes, dinner time

Makx Dekkers: I need to leave in 20 minutes, dinner time

19:10:15 <RiccardoAlbertoni> I am going to stay only for 10/20 minutes

Riccardo Albertoni: I am going to stay only for 10/20 minutes

19:10:18 <Seiji> need to leave

Seiji Isotani: need to leave

19:10:53 <yaso> so we are going for more 20 min

Yaso Córdova: so we are going for more 20 min

19:10:57 <Caroline> scribe: WagnerMeiraJr

(Scribe set to Wagner Meira Jr.)

19:11:32 <phila> issue-168?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-168?

19:11:32 <trackbot> issue-168 -- Dataset versioning -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-168 -- Dataset versioning -- open

19:11:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/168

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/168

19:11:49 <WagnerMeiraJr> yaso: Going to issue 168. Newton, can you start?

Yaso Córdova: Going to ISSUE-168. Newton, can you start?

19:12:22 <WagnerMeiraJr> newtoncalegari: I was working on this issue in the 1st part of the meeting: which vocabulary to use in versioning?

Newton Calegari: I was working on this issue in the 1st part of the meeting: which vocabulary to use in versioning?

19:12:28 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

19:12:50 <WagnerMeiraJr> BernadetteLoscio: I'd like to know what is the suggestion for using when defining versions?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'd like to know what is the suggestion for using when defining versions?

19:12:59 <WagnerMeiraJr> yaso: Any other suggestions?

Yaso Córdova: Any other suggestions?

19:13:30 <WagnerMeiraJr> phila: We cannot make a normative dependency. It is one possible way, but I do not want to do it.

Phil Archer: We cannot make a normative dependency. It is one possible way, but I do not want to do it.

19:13:41 <WagnerMeiraJr> BernadetteLoscio: It is just to give an example.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: It is just to give an example.

19:13:50 <annette_g> link?

Annette Greiner: link?

19:14:16 <phila> -> http://pav-ontology.github.io/pav/ PAV

Phil Archer: -> http://pav-ontology.github.io/pav/ PAV

19:14:17 <WagnerMeiraJr> yaso: I think that it is ok to use for sake of an example section.

Yaso Córdova: I think that it is ok to use for sake of an example section.

19:14:29 <antoine> +1 to use Memento as a (quite different) alternative to PAV

Antoine Isaac: +1 to use Memento as a (quite different) alternative to PAV

19:14:55 <WagnerMeiraJr> newtoncalegari: There is an issue (3), the beginning of data version that motivates it.

Newton Calegari: There is an issue (3), the beginning of data version that motivates it.

19:15:18 <WagnerMeiraJr> yaso: Seems ok to me.

Yaso Córdova: Seems ok to me.

19:16:25 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

19:16:37 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

19:16:37 <WagnerMeiraJr> BernadetteLoscio: It is not just because it is an open issue that it is worth doing it. We will close issues 92 and 68. What's the opinion of the group regarding changes in the data. It is not clear whether updating the schema is a new version or not. Does this new attribute justify a new version?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: It is not just because it is an open issue that it is worth doing it. We will close issues 92 and 68. What's the opinion of the group regarding changes in the data. It is not clear whether updating the schema is a new version or not. Does this new attribute justify a new version?

19:16:38 <newtoncalegari> q

Newton Calegari: q

19:16:43 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+

Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+

19:16:47 <yaso> ack antoine

Yaso Córdova: ack antoine

19:16:48 <Seiji> q+

Seiji Isotani: q+

19:16:53 <WagnerMeiraJr> antoine: Not sure I understood the point.

Antoine Isaac: Not sure I understood the point.

19:17:10 <newtoncalegari> q+ ask about versioning data in streams

Newton Calegari: q+ ask about versioning data in streams

19:17:11 <annette_g> +1 to letting the publisher decide

Annette Greiner: +1 to letting the publisher decide

19:17:16 <newtoncalegari> q?

Newton Calegari: q?

19:17:32 <WagnerMeiraJr> antoine: In the case you mentioned it does not sound to me it is the case to create a new version.

Antoine Isaac: In the case you mentioned it does not sound to me it is the case to create a new version.

19:17:52 <phila> q+ to say we shouldn't define when a new version is a new version

Phil Archer: q+ to say we shouldn't define when a new version is a new version

19:17:54 <WagnerMeiraJr> BernadetteLoscio: Sometimes the published does not know whether it is the case of creating a new version.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Sometimes the published does not know whether it is the case of creating a new version.

19:18:00 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

19:18:02 <WagnerMeiraJr> antoine: Let the publisher decide.

Antoine Isaac: Let the publisher decide.

19:18:06 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

19:18:13 <yaso> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

Yaso Córdova: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi

19:18:46 <yaso> ack Seiji

Yaso Córdova: ack Seiji

19:18:48 <WagnerMeiraJr> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: If we use the vocab and onto, there could be changes in them that do not change the semantics, but if the latter change, it should be anew evrsion.

Giancarlo Guizzardi: If we use the vocab and onto, there could be changes in them that do not change the semantics, but if the latter change, it should be anew evrsion.

19:18:57 <newtoncalegari> q+ to ask about versioning in data streams

Newton Calegari: q+ to ask about versioning in data streams

19:18:57 <WagnerMeiraJr> Seiji: Same comment of Giancarlo_Guizzardi

Seiji Isotani: Same comment of Giancarlo_Guizzardi

19:19:03 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

19:19:12 <yaso> ack phila

Yaso Córdova: ack phila

19:19:12 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to say we shouldn't define when a new version is a new version

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to say we shouldn't define when a new version is a new version

19:19:20 <WagnerMeiraJr> BernadetteLoscio: The publisher may decide, but we at least sign about it.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: The publisher may decide, but we at least sign about it.

19:19:40 <WagnerMeiraJr> phila: When does something change enough? It is such a difficult question.

Phil Archer: When does something change enough? It is such a difficult question.

19:19:42 <Makx> yes, it's a can of worms

Makx Dekkers: yes, it's a can of worms

19:19:46 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

19:20:05 <WagnerMeiraJr> BernadetteLoscio: We tried to define based on the discussions.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: We tried to define based on the discussions.

19:20:31 <yaso> ack laufer

Yaso Córdova: ack laufer

19:20:43 <WagnerMeiraJr> BernadetteLoscio: We should give some guidance to the publisher. If the definition is not good enough, we should not do it.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: We should give some guidance to the publisher. If the definition is not good enough, we should not do it.

19:20:59 <phila> Mind you, I like the text in http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning

Phil Archer: Mind you, I like the text in http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning

19:21:29 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

19:21:47 <Makx> +q

Makx Dekkers: +q

19:22:00 <WagnerMeiraJr> laufer: The term version is used with several meanings. It also varies depending on the language. We need a way to talk about relations among datasets. People saying that one thing is a version of other is not just because it is a change, they may be in completely different languages.

Carlos Laufer: The term version is used with several meanings.