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12:44:21 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP
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12:44:21 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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12:44:22 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
12:44:22 <trackbot> Date: 11 September 2015
12:44:38 <deirdrelee> hi phil
Deirdre Lee: hi phil ←
12:54:30 <deirdrelee> present+ Deirdre
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Deirdre Lee: present+ Deirdre ←
12:58:31 <RiccardoAlbertoni> present+ RiccardoAlbertoni
Riccardo Albertoni: present+ RiccardoAlbertoni ←
12:59:28 <phila> phila has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150911 WebEx: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m2c0af451188e3c2177f8d56453c588e9
Phil Archer: phila has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150911 WebEx: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m2c0af451188e3c2177f8d56453c588e9 ←
12:59:46 <deirdrelee> hey guys
Deirdre Lee: hey guys ←
13:00:08 <deirdrelee> i'm afraid I forgot to send the agenda out yesterday :\ So not sure if many will join
Deirdre Lee: i'm afraid I forgot to send the agenda out yesterday :\ So not sure if many will join ←
13:00:52 <PeterWinstanley> present+ PeterWinstanley
Peter Winstanley: present+ PeterWinstanley ←
13:01:49 <phila> present+ phila
Phil Archer: present+ phila ←
13:01:51 <RiccardoAlbertoni> hello everyone!
Riccardo Albertoni: hello everyone! ←
13:02:01 <newtoncalegari> present+ newtoncalegari
Newton Calegari: present+ newtoncalegari ←
13:03:40 <deirdrelee> zakim, pick a victim
Deirdre Lee: zakim, pick a victim ←
13:03:40 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose newtoncalegari
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose newtoncalegari ←
13:04:02 <deirdrelee> scribe: PeterWinstanley
(Scribe set to Peter Winstanley)
13:04:14 <newtoncalegari> \me Thanks Peter :-)
Newton Calegari: \me Thanks Peter :-) ←
13:04:22 <annette_g> present+ annette_g
Annette Greiner: present+ annette_g ←
13:04:24 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
13:04:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/11-dwbp-minutes.html phila
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/11-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
13:04:32 <nandana> present+ nandana
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: present+ nandana ←
13:04:33 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Approve last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-04
PROPOSED: Approve last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-04 ←
13:04:39 <newtoncalegari> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
13:04:40 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
13:04:44 <nandana> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
13:04:46 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
13:04:51 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
13:04:52 <phila> +0 (wasn't present)
Phil Archer: +0 (wasn't present) ←
13:04:57 <deirdrelee> RESOLVED: Approve last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-04
RESOLVED: Approve last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-04 ←
13:05:33 <PeterWinstanley> agenda: nothing specific: anything that editors want
13:05:52 <yaso> present+ yaso
Yaso Córdova: present+ yaso ←
13:05:58 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
13:06:26 <PeterWinstanley> newtoncalegari: not too much work done this week, but next week we'll go to resolve a number of issues.
Newton Calegari: not too much work done this week, but next week we'll go to resolve a number of issues. ←
13:06:42 <PeterWinstanley> ...no position on the RFC terms yet, but it will be done soon
...no position on the RFC terms yet, but it will be done soon ←
13:06:52 <PeterWinstanley> ...working more on BP doc next week
...working more on BP doc next week ←
13:07:12 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q-
Riccardo Albertoni: q- ←
13:07:13 <PeterWinstanley> ...Only issue: does everyone agree with the suggested timetable?
...Only issue: does everyone agree with the suggested timetable? ←
13:07:16 <newtoncalegari> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_3rd_Draft
Newton Calegari: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_3rd_Draft ←
13:07:34 <phila> looking...
Phil Archer: looking... ←
13:08:02 <PeterWinstanley> ...this is the short-term timetable. the long-term needs an editors meeting to sort out
...this is the short-term timetable. the long-term needs an editors meeting to sort out ←
13:08:13 <hadleybeeman> present+ hadley
Hadley Beeman: present+ hadley ←
13:08:40 <laufer> present+ laufer
Carlos Laufer: present+ laufer ←
13:08:54 <PeterWinstanley> RiccardoAlbertoni: Update on DQV
Riccardo Albertoni: Update on DQV ←
13:09:53 <RiccardoAlbertoni> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/182
Riccardo Albertoni: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/182 ←
13:10:04 <phila> issue-182?
13:10:04 <trackbot> issue-182 -- The label of daq:QualityGraph does not fit well with the current model -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-182 -- The label of daq:QualityGraph does not fit well with the current model -- open ←
13:10:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/182
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/182 ←
13:10:09 <PeterWinstanley> ... last week a couple of mailing list discussions - closing issues 182
... last week a couple of mailing list discussions - closing issues 182 ←
13:11:07 <RiccardoAlbertoni> daq
Riccardo Albertoni: daq ←
13:11:35 <RiccardoAlbertoni> DQV
Riccardo Albertoni: DQV ←
13:11:46 <PeterWinstanley> ... we have developed a new schema in which classes coming from the DAQ ontology to define classes of the DQV
... we have developed a new schema in which classes coming from the DAQ ontology to define classes of the DQV ←
13:12:56 <phila> -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html#fig-data-model-showing-the-main-relevant-classes-and-their-relations.x the model diagram
Phil Archer: -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html#fig-data-model-showing-the-main-relevant-classes-and-their-relations.x the model diagram ←
13:13:15 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:13:18 <RiccardoAlbertoni> dqv:QualityMeasureDataset
Riccardo Albertoni: dqv:QualityMeasureDataset ←
13:13:43 <PeterWinstanley> ... the label of the daq:QualityGraph doesn't sit well with the DQV. There is a replacement class dqv:QualityMeasureDataset
... the label of the daq:QualityGraph doesn't sit well with the DQV. There is a replacement class dqv:QualityMeasureDataset ←
13:13:56 <deirdrelee> close issue-182
Deirdre Lee: close ISSUE-182 ←
13:13:56 <trackbot> Closed issue-182.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-182. ←
13:13:58 <PeterWinstanley> ... propose that issue closed and that Riccardo update the doc
... propose that issue closed and that Riccardo update the doc ←
13:14:10 <deirdrelee> create action for Riccardo to update the graph on DQV
Deirdre Lee: create action for Riccardo to update the graph on DQV ←
13:14:47 <nandana> +q
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +q ←
13:14:51 <deirdrelee> action Riccardo to update the graph on DQV
Deirdre Lee: action Riccardo to update the graph on DQV ←
13:14:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-199 - Update the graph on dqv [on Riccardo Albertoni - due 2015-09-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-199 - Update the graph on dqv [on Riccardo Albertoni - due 2015-09-18]. ←
13:15:26 <PeterWinstanley> phila: riccardo to pass basic turtle file and phil will add to w3c.org site
Phil Archer: riccardo to pass basic turtle file and phil will add to w3c.org site ←
13:15:32 <phila> ack nandana
Phil Archer: ack nandana ←
13:15:54 <PeterWinstanley> nandana: it will be useful to have the turtle file - easier to change than the graphic
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: it will be useful to have the turtle file - easier to change than the graphic ←
13:17:34 <PeterWinstanley> RiccardoAlbertoni: this is included in the list of things to do ... in my opinion it would make sense to have the turtle file after the next public working draft, because we are closing a number of issues and I'd prefer to spend the rest of the time in discussion and in updating the draft rather than producing the turtle. I think it's too early for that do be done
Riccardo Albertoni: this is included in the list of things to do ... in my opinion it would make sense to have the turtle file after the next public working draft, because we are closing a number of issues and I'd prefer to spend the rest of the time in discussion and in updating the draft rather than producing the turtle. I think it's too early for that do be done ←
13:17:58 <PeterWinstanley> nandana: i agree. if you want I can try to create the draft turtle file
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: i agree. if you want I can try to create the draft turtle file ←
13:18:24 <PeterWinstanley> RiccardoAlbertoni: yes, but just wait for a couple of weeks
Riccardo Albertoni: yes, but just wait for a couple of weeks ←
13:18:48 <phila> q+ to ask about Riccardo's timeline wrt the f2f
Phil Archer: q+ to ask about Riccardo's timeline wrt the f2f ←
13:19:18 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
13:19:18 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to ask about Riccardo's timeline wrt the f2f
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to ask about Riccardo's timeline wrt the f2f ←
13:19:56 <PeterWinstanley> phila: can RiccardoAlbertoni talk about the timeline, esp due to the f2f in 2/52 time
Phil Archer: can RiccardoAlbertoni talk about the timeline, esp due to the f2f in 2/52 time ←
13:20:54 <PeterWinstanley> RiccardoAlbertoni: the idea is to discuss in f2f the main issues (not the technical ones about RDF) and in the plan the idea is for 2/52 after the f2f to deliver the new public draft
Riccardo Albertoni: the idea is to discuss in f2f the main issues (not the technical ones about RDF) and in the plan the idea is for 2/52 after the f2f to deliver the new public draft ←
13:21:29 <PeterWinstanley> ...then we'll be in a good position to provide the turtle and close the issues, and open new issues for the next round of work
...then we'll be in a good position to provide the turtle and close the issues, and open new issues for the next round of work ←
13:21:32 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:21:48 <PeterWinstanley> RiccardoAlbertoni: another issue to be closed: 186
Riccardo Albertoni: another issue to be closed: 186 ←
13:21:51 <RiccardoAlbertoni> issue-186
Riccardo Albertoni: ISSUE-186 ←
13:21:51 <trackbot> issue-186 -- There might be no need for a subclass link between dqv:QualityMeasure and daq:Observation. I.e., we could re-use daq:Observation directly. -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-186 -- There might be no need for a subclass link between dqv:QualityMeasure and daq:Observation. I.e., we could re-use daq:Observation directly. -- open ←
13:21:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/186
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/186 ←
13:21:51 <deirdrelee> issue-186
13:21:52 <trackbot> issue-186 -- There might be no need for a subclass link between dqv:QualityMeasure and daq:Observation. I.e., we could re-use daq:Observation directly. -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-186 -- There might be no need for a subclass link between dqv:QualityMeasure and daq:Observation. I.e., we could re-use daq:Observation directly. -- open ←
13:21:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/186
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/186 ←
13:21:58 <RiccardoAlbertoni> https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1djZ2zba084adLsMh6ToWEecbF_uYam-A1_EzKdhrZ1k/edit
Riccardo Albertoni: https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1djZ2zba084adLsMh6ToWEecbF_uYam-A1_EzKdhrZ1k/edit ←
13:23:18 <antoine> Nandana approved my suggestion on ISSUE-186: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Sep/0021.html
Antoine Isaac: Nandana approved my suggestion on ISSUE-186: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Sep/0021.html ←
13:23:27 <PeterWinstanley> ...186 says that daq:Observation and dqv:QualityMeasure are the same things and we discusssed with antoine who provided via email this last week a solution
...186 says that daq:Observation and dqv:QualityMeasure are the same things and we discusssed with antoine who provided via email this last week a solution ←
13:23:44 <phila> q+ to ask why we can't reduce that to just qb:Observation
Phil Archer: q+ to ask why we can't reduce that to just qb:Observation ←
13:23:48 <nandana> +q
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +q ←
13:24:35 <RiccardoAlbertoni> https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/15HV5eMjA-OfkUM2KLbLB1fUo0OK8c7ikbCXF7Sd2-ZM/edit
Riccardo Albertoni: https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/15HV5eMjA-OfkUM2KLbLB1fUo0OK8c7ikbCXF7Sd2-ZM/edit ←
13:24:41 <Caroline_> Present+ Caroline_
Caroline Burle: Present+ Caroline_ ←
13:24:44 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
13:24:44 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to ask why we can't reduce that to just qb:Observation
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to ask why we can't reduce that to just qb:Observation ←
13:25:16 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:25:17 <PeterWinstanley> phila: if 2 subclasses are the same use one, but we could use the superclass qb:Observation
Phil Archer: if 2 subclasses are the same use one, but we could use the superclass qb:Observation ←
13:25:41 <nandana> -q
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: -q ←
13:26:08 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Not all observations are quality measures
Joao Almeida: Not all observations are quality measures ←
13:26:22 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> (using common sense)
Joao Almeida: (using common sense) ←
13:26:30 <PeterWinstanley> RiccardoAlbertoni: we are retaining the semantics, but simplifying the namespace
Riccardo Albertoni: we are retaining the semantics, but simplifying the namespace ←
13:26:33 <antoine> q-
Antoine Isaac: q- ←
13:26:36 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:27:00 <PeterWinstanley> ... the subclassing is from the daq ontology
... the subclassing is from the daq ontology ←
13:27:20 <RiccardoAlbertoni> https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/15HV5eMjA-OfkUM2KLbLB1fUo0OK8c7ikbCXF7Sd2-ZM/edit
Riccardo Albertoni: https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/15HV5eMjA-OfkUM2KLbLB1fUo0OK8c7ikbCXF7Sd2-ZM/edit ←
13:29:18 <nandana> +q
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +q ←
13:29:24 <PeterWinstanley> RiccardoAlbertoni: This schema is the result of resolving this issue. Some classes are reminders (question mark) for providing examples
Riccardo Albertoni: This schema is the result of resolving this issue. Some classes are reminders (question mark) for providing examples ←
13:30:28 <PeterWinstanley> ... don't spend too much time on discussion on whether to include or not in the final version.
... don't spend too much time on discussion on whether to include or not in the final version. ←
13:31:04 <PeterWinstanley> ... nandana has sent some comments, but they don't detract from the ability to close the issue
... nandana has sent some comments, but they don't detract from the ability to close the issue ←
13:31:07 <deirdrelee> ack nandana
Deirdre Lee: ack nandana ←
13:31:21 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:31:40 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
13:31:47 <PeterWinstanley> nandana: I agree, we can close. People involved in creating other vocabs can perhaps gove a view from similar experiences wiht other vocab developments
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: I agree, we can close. People involved in creating other vocabs can perhaps gove a view from similar experiences wiht other vocab developments ←
13:31:47 <antoine> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Sep/0021.html
Antoine Isaac: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Sep/0021.html ←
13:32:10 <PeterWinstanley> antoine: I have an option, in issue-183
Antoine Isaac: I have an option, in ISSUE-183 ←
13:32:32 <deirdrelee> issue-183
13:32:32 <trackbot> issue-183 -- We may want to consider a revision of DCAT to make dcat:Dataset and dcat:Distribution subclasses of prov:Entity -- closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-183 -- We may want to consider a revision of DCAT to make dcat:Dataset and dcat:Distribution subclasses of prov:Entity -- closed ←
13:32:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/183
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/183 ←
13:32:47 <PeterWinstanley> ... issue-183 can be reworded to include the quality measure.
... ISSUE-183 can be reworded to include the quality measure. ←
13:32:53 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
13:32:57 <PeterWinstanley> ... it can be reopened
... it can be reopened ←
13:33:22 <deirdrelee> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
Deirdre Lee: ack RiccardoAlbertoni ←
13:33:34 <PeterWinstanley> RiccardoAlbertoni: an alternative, we have a subsection in the draft where we are providing examples - we can provide a reminder in that section
Riccardo Albertoni: an alternative, we have a subsection in the draft where we are providing examples - we can provide a reminder in that section ←
13:33:48 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:34:07 <PeterWinstanley> ...we have already had this kind of discussion.
...we have already had this kind of discussion. ←
13:34:32 <PeterWinstanley> ...in this schema the idea was just to add a reminder for editors
...in this schema the idea was just to add a reminder for editors ←
13:34:43 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
13:35:02 <nandana> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/183?changelog
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/183?changelog ←
13:35:49 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:36:11 <phila> q+ to admit to being confused
Phil Archer: q+ to admit to being confused ←
13:36:36 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
13:36:36 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to admit to being confused
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to admit to being confused ←
13:37:46 <phila> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-o/#Entity prov:Entity
Phil Archer: -> http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-o/#Entity prov:Entity ←
13:38:02 <PeterWinstanley> phila: are we saying that we want to declare those 2 classes as subclasses of prov:Entity?
Phil Archer: are we saying that we want to declare those 2 classes as subclasses of prov:Entity? ←
13:38:20 <deirdrelee> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-07-17
Deirdre Lee: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-07-17 ←
13:38:21 <antoine> q+ to say no
Antoine Isaac: q+ to say no ←
13:38:22 <deirdrelee> RESOLVED: that we don't want to consider making dcat:dataset and dcat:distribution subclasses of prov:entity
RESOLVED: that we don't want to consider making dcat:dataset and dcat:distribution subclasses of prov:entity ←
13:38:52 <PeterWinstanley> antoine: it must have been unclear - I am against this
Antoine Isaac: it must have been unclear - I am against this ←
13:38:59 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
13:39:03 <phila> Antoine was not proposing that dcat:Dataset and dcat:Distribution were explicitly declared as sub classes of prov:Entity (logic going awry)
Phil Archer: Antoine was not proposing that dcat:Dataset and dcat:Distribution were explicitly declared as sub classes of prov:Entity (logic going awry) ←
13:39:14 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
13:39:14 <Zakim> antoine, you wanted to say no
Zakim IRC Bot: antoine, you wanted to say no ←
13:39:38 <Caroline_> Bernadette sends regrets due to a health issue, but soon she will be better. :)
Caroline Burle: Bernadette sends regrets due to a health issue, but soon she will be better. :) ←
13:40:06 <PeterWinstanley> RiccardoAlbertoni: I agree with antoine : here the problem is providing guidance on provenance. it is slightly different from issue-183
Riccardo Albertoni: I agree with antoine : here the problem is providing guidance on provenance. it is slightly different from ISSUE-183 ←
13:40:32 <phila> regrets+ Bernadette, Makx
Phil Archer: regrets+ Bernadette, Makx ←
13:40:33 <PeterWinstanley> ...we are debating a lot, it is not a problem to delete the subclassing
...we are debating a lot, it is not a problem to delete the subclassing ←
13:41:03 <PeterWinstanley> ...I will make sure with the examples that the level of granularity is included./
...I will make sure with the examples that the level of granularity is included./ ←
13:41:19 <nandana> +1 for having examples to show how to use PROV with DQV
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 for having examples to show how to use PROV with DQV ←
13:41:26 <PeterWinstanley> deirdrelee: back to issue-186, RiccardoAlbertoni will add the text and the issue is closed
Deirdre Lee: back to ISSUE-186, RiccardoAlbertoni will add the text and the issue is closed ←
13:41:27 <deirdrelee> close issue-186
Deirdre Lee: close ISSUE-186 ←
13:41:27 <trackbot> Closed issue-186.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-186. ←
13:41:44 <phila> issue-187?
13:41:45 <trackbot> issue-187 -- Do we want to keep the same occurrence constraints as defined in DAQ (for example, that every metric should belong to exactly one dimension)? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-187 -- Do we want to keep the same occurrence constraints as defined in DAQ (for example, that every metric should belong to exactly one dimension)? -- open ←
13:41:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/187
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/187 ←
13:42:26 <PeterWinstanley> antoine: I will make some notes in the issues that we are closing - reminders about the reasons why
Antoine Isaac: I will make some notes in the issues that we are closing - reminders about the reasons why ←
13:42:51 <PeterWinstanley> phila: we still have a bunch of issues, 35 open. can we close any more?
Phil Archer: we still have a bunch of issues, 35 open. can we close any more? ←
13:43:10 <antoine> updated https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/183
Antoine Isaac: updated https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/183 ←
13:43:25 <PeterWinstanley> deirdrelee: issue-187
13:43:32 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
13:43:51 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q-
Riccardo Albertoni: q- ←
13:44:24 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
13:44:27 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
13:44:30 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
13:44:30 <PeterWinstanley> antoine: I think it is still relevant; I am not sure it is good to overwrite the semantics - defining classes as equivalent might lead to some conflicts
Antoine Isaac: I think it is still relevant; I am not sure it is good to overwrite the semantics - defining classes as equivalent might lead to some conflicts ←
13:44:47 <PeterWinstanley> phila: if an obs has only 1 dimension, isn't that a property?
Phil Archer: if an obs has only 1 dimension, isn't that a property? ←
13:45:08 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +q
Riccardo Albertoni: +q ←
13:45:09 <nandana> +q
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +q ←
13:45:14 <PeterWinstanley> ... in qb one needs at least 2 dimensions
... in qb one needs at least 2 dimensions ←
13:45:16 <deirdrelee> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
Deirdre Lee: ack RiccardoAlbertoni ←
13:46:37 <PeterWinstanley> RiccardoAlbertoni: when we discussed dimension metrics in the DQV we were not referring to qb, but to a concept of quality. there are metrics relating to linked data that we have discussed, and the concept of metric is not related to the qb vocab
Riccardo Albertoni: when we discussed dimension metrics in the DQV we were not referring to qb, but to a concept of quality. there are metrics relating to linked data that we have discussed, and the concept of metric is not related to the qb vocab ←
13:46:38 <nandana> -q
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: -q ←
13:47:35 <PeterWinstanley> ... I suggest we keep the same semantics as we are stating equivalence between DQV and DAQ unless there is a good reason not to
... I suggest we keep the same semantics as we are stating equivalence between DQV and DAQ unless there is a good reason not to ←
13:47:38 <nandana> +q
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +q ←
13:47:51 <deirdrelee> ack nandana
Deirdre Lee: ack nandana ←
13:48:35 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:49:48 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
13:49:52 <PeterWinstanley> nandana: quality measures can be reated to >=2 dimesions, but if we go in that direction then we might not be abble to use DAQ. If we want to re-use DAQ then we need to work with quality relating to one domension
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: quality measures can be reated to >=2 dimesions, but if we go in that direction then we might not be abble to use DAQ. If we want to re-use DAQ then we need to work with quality relating to one domension ←
13:50:07 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
13:50:26 <PeterWinstanley> antoine: if nandana knows examples of quality metrics relating to more than 2 dimensions at once the it's a quick decision
Antoine Isaac: if nandana knows examples of quality metrics relating to more than 2 dimensions at once the it's a quick decision ←
13:50:38 <phila> +1 to antoine
Phil Archer: +1 to antoine ←
13:50:43 <PeterWinstanley> ...I don't want to create a vocab incomatible with data we already knonw
...I don't want to create a vocab incomatible with data we already knonw ←
13:50:44 <deirdrelee> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
Deirdre Lee: ack RiccardoAlbertoni ←
13:50:45 <phila> q+ to ask about consistency checking
Phil Archer: q+ to ask about consistency checking ←
13:51:54 <PeterWinstanley> RiccardoAlbertoni: I agree with antoine . We are discussing cardinality, relation between metrics and category. I am uncomfortable in addressing this kind of discussion - it's not clear to me. in the draft we are we providing a taxonomy of dimention or are we leaving this open
Riccardo Albertoni: I agree with antoine . We are discussing cardinality, relation between metrics and category. I am uncomfortable in addressing this kind of discussion - it's not clear to me. in the draft we are we providing a taxonomy of dimention or are we leaving this open ←
13:52:14 <phila> http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-data-cube/#wf-rules
Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-data-cube/#wf-rules ←
13:52:47 <PeterWinstanley> phila: if the vcab is going to include constraints, how do we express them? In QB Dave Reynolds included a set of test SPARQL . he set up a validation tool
Phil Archer: if the vcab is going to include constraints, how do we express them? In QB Dave Reynolds included a set of test SPARQL . he set up a validation tool ←
13:53:13 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
13:53:14 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:53:26 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
13:53:26 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to ask about consistency checking
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to ask about consistency checking ←
13:53:28 <deirdrelee> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
Deirdre Lee: ack RiccardoAlbertoni ←
13:53:42 <phila> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/validator/qb/qb-validator Data Cube validator
Phil Archer: -> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/validator/qb/qb-validator Data Cube validator ←
13:53:49 <PeterWinstanley> RiccardoAlbertoni: good suggestion/example. I need to think about the best way of doing this
Riccardo Albertoni: good suggestion/example. I need to think about the best way of doing this ←
13:54:06 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:54:22 <PeterWinstanley> ... but we are still working on the vocabulary and this is for later when the vocab is more compleete
... but we are still working on the vocabulary and this is for later when the vocab is more compleete ←
13:54:57 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> you don't really need to go datacube style (with SPARQL queries) you can just declare the properties functional... and the cardinality is not an integrity constraint!
Joao Almeida: you don't really need to go datacube style (with SPARQL queries) you can just declare the properties functional... and the cardinality is not an integrity constraint! ←
13:55:00 <PeterWinstanley> antoine: thanks for the suggestion; something to consider. I need to think about this more. it is wise for us to wait for the RDF validation
Antoine Isaac: thanks for the suggestion; something to consider. I need to think about this more. it is wise for us to wait for the RDF validation ←
13:55:27 <PeterWinstanley> phila: no, that creates inter-group dependencies. use the tools available now
Phil Archer: no, that creates inter-group dependencies. use the tools available now ←
13:55:30 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:55:34 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
13:55:44 <PeterWinstanley> ...the data cube way is available
...the data cube way is available ←
13:56:04 <antoine> phila++
Antoine Isaac: phila++ ←
13:56:57 <PeterWinstanley> JoaoPauloAlmeida: we need to think further about the QB approach, integrity constraints can be provided and that works for the cube, but for data quality we can use an open world view
Joao Almeida: we need to think further about the QB approach, integrity constraints can be provided and that works for the cube, but for data quality we can use an open world view ←
13:58:10 <PeterWinstanley> .... there is a clear distinction between a semantic statement with a cardinaltiy of 1 and an integrity constraint as proposed in the QB
.... there is a clear distinction between a semantic statement with a cardinaltiy of 1 and an integrity constraint as proposed in the QB ←
13:58:10 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:58:26 <nandana> +1 these makes more sense with the data validation languages not for inferencing
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 these makes more sense with the data validation languages not for inferencing ←
13:58:53 <PeterWinstanley> antoine: needs a bit more thinking.
Antoine Isaac: needs a bit more thinking. ←
13:59:07 <PeterWinstanley> .... the restrictions might be absent from the formal ontology
.... the restrictions might be absent from the formal ontology ←
13:59:32 <PeterWinstanley> ...we all agree that the cardinality shouldnot be restricted to exactly 1
...we all agree that the cardinality shouldnot be restricted to exactly 1 ←
13:59:59 <PeterWinstanley> ... I'd prefer we add a comment and investigate more
... I'd prefer we add a comment and investigate more ←
14:00:00 <PeterWinstanley> :)
:) ←
14:00:30 <antoine> thanks a lot for the discussion on DQV, everyone!
Antoine Isaac: thanks a lot for the discussion on DQV, everyone! ←
14:00:35 <RiccardoAlbertoni> thanks a lot for feedbacks
Riccardo Albertoni: thanks a lot for feedbacks ←
14:00:36 <antoine> really useful
Antoine Isaac: really useful ←
14:01:13 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I was confused by the lack of agenda... and thought there would be no meeting
Joao Almeida: I was confused by the lack of agenda... and thought there would be no meeting ←
14:01:27 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> ... but just decided to check the wiki a bit late :-)
Joao Almeida: ... but just decided to check the wiki a bit late :-) ←
14:01:30 <PeterWinstanley> phila: we have closed some issues on the call. we need an agenda item for next week just to ensure that decisions made at this meeting are validated
Phil Archer: we have closed some issues on the call. we need an agenda item for next week just to ensure that decisions made at this meeting are validated ←
14:01:32 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> no problem :-)
Joao Almeida: no problem :-) ←
14:01:42 <laufer> bye....
Carlos Laufer: bye.... ←
14:01:43 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> bye
Joao Almeida: bye ←
14:01:45 <Caroline_> bye!
Caroline Burle: bye! ←
14:02:15 <nandana> BYE
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: BYE ←
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