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Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 28 August 2015

Seen
Annette Greiner, Antoine Isaac, Caroline Burle, Jeremy Debattista, Manuel Carrasco Benitez, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, Newton Calegari, Yaso Córdova
Guests
Newton Calegari
Chair
Yaso Córdova
Scribe
Annette Greiner
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. approve last week's minutes link
  2. that we close action 152 link
  3. that we close action 187 and Antoine sends an email to the group detailing the response. link
  4. that we close issue 188 link
  5. to remove the link to Github link
  6. to re-define in the DQV namespace all the classes and properties we need to express quality metadata, and map the new classes and properties to the ones of DAQ link
Topics
12:54:38 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/08/28-dwbp-irc

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12:54:40 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 351

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12:54:42 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be DWBP

12:54:42 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

12:54:43 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
12:54:43 <trackbot> Date: 28 August 2015
12:56:57 <newton> Guest: Newton Calegari
12:56:57 <newton> present+ newton

Newton Calegari: present+ newton

12:57:00 <newton> present+ yaso

Newton Calegari: present+ yaso

12:57:06 <newton> Zakim, newton has yaso

Newton Calegari: Zakim, newton has yaso

12:57:06 <Zakim> sorry, newton, I do not recognize a party named 'newton'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, newton, I do not recognize a party named 'newton'

12:57:27 <newton> Zakim

Newton Calegari: Zakim

12:57:49 <yaso> present+ yaso

Yaso Córdova: present+ yaso

13:00:31 <antoine> present+ antoine

Antoine Isaac: present+ antoine

13:00:57 <yaso> Newton is going to reconnect with my name, we are going to share the same computer today

Yaso Córdova: Newton is going to reconnect with my name, we are going to share the same computer today

13:01:39 <nandana> present+ nandana

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: present+ nandana

13:02:15 <yaso> present+ yaso

Yaso Córdova: present+ yaso

13:02:46 <MTCarrasco> present+ MTCarrasco

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: present+ MTCarrasco

13:02:51 <annette_g> present+ annette_g

Annette Greiner: present+ annette_g

13:03:15 <yaso> Hi Nandana, welcome!

Yaso Córdova: Hi Nandana, welcome!

13:03:42 <nandana> yaso, thanks :)

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: yaso, thanks :)

13:03:59 <yaso> scribe?

Yaso Córdova: scribe?

13:04:06 <MTCarrasco> zakim, mute me

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: zakim, mute me

13:04:06 <Zakim> sorry, MTCarrasco, I can't do that anymore

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, MTCarrasco, I can't do that anymore

13:04:37 <yaso> zakim, pick a victim

Yaso Córdova: zakim, pick a victim

13:04:37 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose yaso

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose yaso

13:04:42 <yaso> chair: yaso
13:04:47 <yaso> zakim, pick a victim

Yaso Córdova: zakim, pick a victim

13:04:47 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose annette_g

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose annette_g

13:05:27 <yaso> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150828

Yaso Córdova: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150828

13:05:44 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-08-28

Yaso Córdova: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-08-28

13:05:46 <jerdeb> present+ jerdeb

Jeremy Debattista: present+ jerdeb

13:05:51 <annette_g> scribe: annette_g

(Scribe set to Annette Greiner)

13:06:19 <newton> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-08-21

Newton Calegari: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-08-21

13:06:52 <annette_g> PROPOSED: approve last week's minutes

PROPOSED: approve last week's minutes

13:06:58 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

13:06:58 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

13:07:03 <annette_g> +1

+1

13:07:13 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

13:07:27 <MTCarrasco> +1

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: +1

13:07:30 <jerdeb> +1

Jeremy Debattista: +1

13:07:39 <annette_g> RESOLVED: approve last week's minutes

RESOLVED: approve last week's minutes

13:07:49 <yaso> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150828

Yaso Córdova: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150828

13:08:07 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/181

Yaso Córdova: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/181

13:08:21 <annette_g> yaso:  this week we're talking about the data quality vocabulary

Yaso Córdova: this week we're talking about the data quality vocabulary

13:12:41 <antoine> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Aug/0133.html

Antoine Isaac: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Aug/0133.html

13:13:01 <annette_g> antoine:  was hoping the agenda would start with really small issues, things we think we can close

Antoine Isaac: was hoping the agenda would start with really small issues, things we think we can close

13:13:33 <yaso> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/152

Yaso Córdova: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/152

13:14:19 <yaso> PROPOSED: close the action 152

PROPOSED: close the ACTION-152

13:14:43 <annette_g> PROPOSED: that we close action 152

PROPOSED: that we close ACTION-152

13:14:57 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

13:14:58 <annette_g> +1

+1

13:15:05 <jerdeb> +1

Jeremy Debattista: +1

13:15:09 <nandana> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

13:15:29 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

13:15:54 <annette_g> RESOLVED: that we close action 152

RESOLVED: that we close ACTION-152

13:16:18 <antoine> close action-152

Antoine Isaac: close ACTION-152

13:16:18 <trackbot> Closed action-152.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-152.

13:17:08 <antoine> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/187

Antoine Isaac: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/187

13:17:41 <antoine> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Aug/0069.html

Antoine Isaac: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Aug/0069.html

13:17:59 <annette_g> antoine:  no one has ever reacted to this one

Antoine Isaac: no one has ever reacted to this one

13:18:22 <annette_g> … after sending messages to 5 different communities

… after sending messages to 5 different communities

13:20:13 <annette_g> PROPOSED: that we close action 187 and Antoine sends an email to the group detailing the response.

PROPOSED: that we close ACTION-187 and Antoine sends an email to the group detailing the response.

13:20:44 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

13:20:48 <annette_g> +1

+1

13:20:57 <jerdeb> +1

Jeremy Debattista: +1

13:21:06 <annette_g> RESOLVED: that we close action 187 and Antoine sends an email to the group detailing the response.

RESOLVED: that we close ACTION-187 and Antoine sends an email to the group detailing the response.

13:21:37 <antoine> close action-187

Antoine Isaac: close ACTION-187

13:21:37 <trackbot> Closed action-187.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-187.

13:21:42 <antoine> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/188

Antoine Isaac: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/188

13:21:49 <nandana> it might be partially because there were a lot of people on vacations during August and we might still get some feedback

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: it might be partially because there were a lot of people on vacations during August and we might still get some feedback

13:22:24 <annette_g> jerdeb:  I think we've covered it

Jeremy Debattista: I think we've covered it

13:22:58 <annette_g> PROPOSED: that we close issue 188

PROPOSED: that we close ISSUE-188

13:23:02 <annette_g> +1

+1

13:23:06 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

13:23:23 <annette_g> RESOLVED: that we close issue 188

RESOLVED: that we close ISSUE-188

13:23:47 <antoine> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/197

Antoine Isaac: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/197

13:24:01 <annette_g> antoine:  issue tracking and github

Antoine Isaac: issue tracking and github

13:25:30 <annette_g> yaso:  the links were there because we had issue tracking on github, but not anymore

Yaso Córdova: the links were there because we had issue tracking on github, but not anymore

13:25:40 <annette_g> .. okay to close

.. okay to close

13:25:45 <antoine> PROPOSAL: to remove the link to Github

PROPOSED: to remove the link to Github

13:25:51 <annette_g> +1

+1

13:25:55 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

13:25:59 <nandana> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

13:25:59 <jerdeb> +1

Jeremy Debattista: +1

13:25:59 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

13:26:06 <MTCarrasco> +1

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: +1

13:26:15 <annette_g> RESOLVED: to remove the link to Github

RESOLVED: to remove the link to Github

13:26:30 <antoine> close issue-197

Antoine Isaac: close ISSUE-197

13:26:30 <trackbot> Closed issue-197.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-197.

13:26:53 <antoine> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/180

Antoine Isaac: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/180

13:28:17 <newton> present+ Caroline_

Newton Calegari: present+ Caroline_

13:28:39 <yaso> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Aug/0134.html

Yaso Córdova: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Aug/0134.html

13:28:43 <annette_g> antoine:  it seems reasonable to redefine in the DQV namespace, and say that it's equivalent to the DAQ term

Antoine Isaac: it seems reasonable to redefine in the DQV namespace, and say that it's equivalent to the DAQ term

13:29:08 <nandana> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Aug/0104.html

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Aug/0104.html

13:29:11 <yaso> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Jun/0058.html

Yaso Córdova: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Jun/0058.html

13:29:13 <annette_g> antoine:  that's not the real one...

Antoine Isaac: that's not the real one...

13:30:01 <annette_g> yaso:  it seems you've made two proposals. Is that right?

Yaso Córdova: it seems you've made two proposals. Is that right?

13:30:09 <antoine> the right email is https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Aug/0104.html

Antoine Isaac: the right email is https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Aug/0104.html

13:30:12 <annette_g> antoine:  that's not the right email

Antoine Isaac: that's not the right email

13:30:28 <antoine> PROPOSAL: to re-define in the DQV namespace all the classes and properties we need to express quality metadata, and map the new classes and properties to the ones of DAQ

PROPOSED: to re-define in the DQV namespace all the classes and properties we need to express quality metadata, and map the new classes and properties to the ones of DAQ

13:31:06 <jerdeb> +1

Jeremy Debattista: +1

13:31:08 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

13:31:11 <annette_g> +1

+1

13:31:17 <nandana> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

13:31:29 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

13:31:36 <Caroline_> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

13:31:40 <annette_g> RESOLVED: to re-define in the DQV namespace all the classes and properties we need to express quality metadata, and map the new classes and properties to the ones of DAQ

RESOLVED: to re-define in the DQV namespace all the classes and properties we need to express quality metadata, and map the new classes and properties to the ones of DAQ

13:31:40 <MTCarrasco> 0

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: 0

13:32:12 <annette_g> yaso:  other issues to discuss today?

Yaso Córdova: other issues to discuss today?

13:32:39 <annette_g> antoine:  is MTCarrasco okay with the resolution?

Antoine Isaac: is MTCarrasco okay with the resolution?

13:32:39 <antoine> closed issue-180

Antoine Isaac: closed ISSUE-180

13:32:44 <annette_g> MTCarrasco:  yes

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: yes

13:32:48 <antoine> close issue-180

Antoine Isaac: close ISSUE-180

13:32:48 <trackbot> Closed issue-180.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-180.

13:33:04 <antoine> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Aug/0134.html

Antoine Isaac: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Aug/0134.html

13:33:07 <annette_g> antoine:  two other issues to discuss

Antoine Isaac: two other issues to discuss

13:34:14 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

13:34:19 <annette_g> antoine:  people may not want to discuss this now

Antoine Isaac: people may not want to discuss this now

13:34:34 <annette_g> yaso:  we can talk via email, okay to discuss next week?

Yaso Córdova: we can talk via email, okay to discuss next week?

13:34:40 <antoine> q-

Antoine Isaac: q-

13:34:47 <yaso> ack jerdeb

Yaso Córdova: ack jerdeb

13:34:48 <annette_g> antoine:  yes, but I'd like to get Jeremy's opinion

Antoine Isaac: yes, but I'd like to get Jeremy's opinion

13:35:06 <annette_g> jerdeb:  yes, I'll reply via email, need to catch up after being out last week.

Jeremy Debattista: yes, I'll reply via email, need to catch up after being out last week.

13:35:08 <newton> q+ about ISSUE-146

Newton Calegari: q+ about ISSUE-146

13:35:14 <annette_g> yaso:  timetables for the F2F

Yaso Córdova: timetables for the F2F

13:35:17 <newton> q- about

Newton Calegari: q- about

13:35:22 <newton> q- ISSUE-146

Newton Calegari: q- ISSUE-146

13:35:27 <yaso> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Aug/0129.html

Yaso Córdova: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Aug/0129.html

13:35:29 <newton> q+

Newton Calegari: q+

13:35:49 <yaso> ack newton

Yaso Córdova: ack newton

13:35:59 <annette_g> yaso:  newton and Caroline_ are you guys comfortable with the timetable?

Yaso Córdova: newton and Caroline_ are you guys comfortable with the timetable?

13:36:13 <annette_g> newton:  two issues, first is 146

Newton Calegari: two issues, first is 146

13:36:15 <newton> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/146

Newton Calegari: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/146

13:37:02 <MTCarrasco> q+

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: q+

13:37:09 <yaso> ack MTCarrasco

Yaso Córdova: ack MTCarrasco

13:37:10 <annette_g> newton:  we plan to remove all the normative terms and replace with plain English. Maybe we need more people to have quorum

Newton Calegari: we plan to remove all the normative terms and replace with plain English. Maybe we need more people to have quorum

13:37:25 <yaso> +1 to MTCarrasco

Yaso Córdova: +1 to MTCarrasco

13:37:28 <newton> +1 to MTCarrasco

Newton Calegari: +1 to MTCarrasco

13:37:39 <annette_g> MTCarrasco:  we have to be careful with the term normative. Usually it applies to specifications, not best practices

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: we have to be careful with the term normative. Usually it applies to specifications, not best practices

13:37:44 <annette_g> +1

+1

13:37:58 <annette_g> newton:  I agree with MTCarrasco

Newton Calegari: I agree with MTCarrasco

13:38:20 <annette_g> … but we need more voters

… but we need more voters

13:38:47 <annette_g> yaso:  we can send out email to the group asking for feedback.

Yaso Córdova: we can send out email to the group asking for feedback.

13:38:53 <annette_g> newton:  I will do that

Newton Calegari: I will do that

13:39:03 <newton> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/194

Newton Calegari: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/194

13:39:23 <annette_g> newton:  next issue about data identification

Newton Calegari: next issue about data identification

13:39:50 <annette_g> is annette_g okay with Phil's change?

is annette_g okay with Phil's change?

13:40:36 <annette_g> annette_g:  it's marked as on DUV, but it's about BP

Annette Greiner: it's marked as on DUV, but it's about BP

13:41:04 <annette_g> newton:  I can change that

Newton Calegari: I can change that

13:41:04 <antoine> close action-188

Antoine Isaac: close ACTION-188

13:41:04 <trackbot> Closed action-188.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-188.

13:41:29 <MTCarrasco> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#DataIdentification

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#DataIdentification

13:41:30 <annette_g> annette_g: where are the changes?

Annette Greiner: where are the changes?

13:41:47 <MTCarrasco> q+

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: q+

13:41:48 <annette_g> annette_g:  I'll look at it and respond on email

Annette Greiner: I'll look at it and respond on email

13:42:32 <annette_g> yaso:  Newton, maybe we should make an action about finding feedback?

Yaso Córdova: Newton, maybe we should make an action about finding feedback?

13:42:39 <annette_g> newton:  not needed

Newton Calegari: not needed

13:43:26 <annette_g> yaso:  any updates on the timetable?

Yaso Córdova: any updates on the timetable?

13:43:41 <annette_g> newton:  yes, but we need more of a quorum to discuss, so will do via email

Newton Calegari: yes, but we need more of a quorum to discuss, so will do via email

13:44:14 <annette_g> q+

q+

13:44:28 <yaso> Ack MTCarrasco

Yaso Córdova: Ack MTCarrasco

13:44:37 <annette_g> yaso:  we are out of topics

Yaso Córdova: we are out of topics

13:45:10 <annette_g> MTCarrasco:  is what is online showing Phli's changes?

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: is what is online showing Phli's changes?

13:45:25 <MTCarrasco> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#DataIdentification

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#DataIdentification

13:45:39 <annette_g> newton:  the changes are online

Newton Calegari: the changes are online

13:45:44 <yaso> ack annette_g

Yaso Córdova: ack annette_g

13:46:42 <MTCarrasco> annette_g +1

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: annette_g +1

13:47:13 <annette_g> annette_g:  the question of removing the descriptions of URI, IRI, and URL are still in there. My suggestion was to remove them.

Annette Greiner: the question of removing the descriptions of URI, IRI, and URL are still in there. My suggestion was to remove them.

13:47:34 <annette_g> MTCarrasco:  we need to resolve this forever and minimize, just call it URI and forget about the rest

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: we need to resolve this forever and minimize, just call it URI and forget about the rest

13:47:48 <annette_g> newton:  okay, let's keep discussing via email

Newton Calegari: okay, let's keep discussing via email

13:48:01 <annette_g> MTCarrasco:  this can go on forever

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: this can go on forever

13:48:15 <annette_g> newton:  maybe Phil can have some input

Newton Calegari: maybe Phil can have some input

13:48:45 <annette_g> MTCarrasco:  I suggest to call it URI everywhere and forget about it

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: I suggest to call it URI everywhere and forget about it

13:48:51 <annette_g> q+

q+

13:49:05 <annette_g> newton:  okay, I got it

Newton Calegari: okay, I got it

13:49:06 <yaso> ack annette_g

Yaso Córdova: ack annette_g

13:49:30 <yaso> annette_g: maybe one thing to do is make the changes to the doc and let the people respond to that

Annette Greiner: maybe one thing to do is make the changes to the doc and let the people respond to that [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

13:49:36 <annette_g> annette_g:  suggests making the change in the doc and letting people comment on that

Annette Greiner: suggests making the change in the doc and letting people comment on that

13:49:58 <annette_g> yaso:  are you okay with that?

Yaso Córdova: are you okay with that?

13:50:10 <annette_g> MTCarrasco:  yes! anything that can close the issue I'm quite happy with

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: yes! anything that can close the issue I'm quite happy with

13:50:44 <annette_g> MTCarrasco:  anything we write on this is going to be quite naive, best to leave it as simple as possible

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: anything we write on this is going to be quite naive, best to leave it as simple as possible

13:50:47 <annette_g> newton:  I agree

Newton Calegari: I agree

13:50:54 <MTCarrasco> http://dragoman.org/comuri.html

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: http://dragoman.org/comuri.html

13:51:23 <annette_g> yaso:  any other topics?

Yaso Córdova: any other topics?

13:51:44 <annette_g> yaso:  we have a lot of issues to talk about via email, so we'll finish early

Yaso Córdova: we have a lot of issues to talk about via email, so we'll finish early

13:51:50 <MTCarrasco> bye

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: bye

13:51:54 <annette_g> bye all!

bye all!

13:51:55 <jerdeb> bye

Jeremy Debattista: bye

13:52:15 <yaso> RRSAgent, make logs public

Yaso Córdova: RRSAgent, make logs public

13:53:34 <yaso> Bye all

Yaso Córdova: Bye all



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