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DWBP Face to Face Day 2

Minutes of 14 April 2015

Seen
Annette Greiner, Bernadette Farias Loscio, Carlos Laufer, Caroline Burle, Christophe Gueret, Deirdre Lee, Eric Stephan, Flavio Yanai, Gisele Pappa, Hadley Beeman, Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto, Makx Dekkers, Phil Archer, Riccardo Albertoni, Steven Adler, Sumit Purohit, Unknown Austin, Unknown Ipswich, Unknown NewtonCalegari, Yaso Córdova
Regrets
Steven Adler
Chair
Yaso Córdova
Scribe
Sumit Purohit, Eric Stephan, Caroline Burle, Yaso Córdova, Phil Archer, Unknown NewtonCalegari
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Close Issue-52 as there is going to be a glossary link
  2. Close issue-134 as the existence of the glossary answers this point link
  3. That Requirement on Sensitive Data should use the world 'must' not should. See http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#R-SensitivePrivacy link
  4. close the issue 77 link
  5. Close Issue-118, because it will be included in the BP doc link
  6. Close issue-144, scope will keep technological bias in min link
  7. Close issue 62 and 63, Action for Phil to write BP on topic of what happens to identifiers after data resource is no longer online (e.g. through archiving). WG will then decide if this should be included in BP doc, and if it is, should it be separate BP or merged with another BP link
  8. Action for Hadley & Eric to propose alterantive text if BP is removed. Action for Annetee & Dee to revise BP text if BP remains. Leave Makx's issue open link
  9. Close issue-54 link
  10. May 18th is the deadline for the Last review of the BP document before publishing it. 22th May Group voting the document to be published link
  11. That the 'Data Usage Vocaulary' be renamed the 'Dataset Usage Vocabulary' link
  12. Include open/closed indicators for feedback/usage info in the data usage vocabulary. link
  13. Close Issue-154 because a dataset is a collection of data. link
  14. Close Issue-155 as the audience is both publishers and consumers link
  15. This Friday meeting on DUV link
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11:52:10 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-irc

11:52:12 <hadleybeeman> Morning, all

Hadley Beeman: Morning, all

11:52:19 <phila> Hi Hadley

Phil Archer: Hi Hadley

11:52:25 <phila> Just getting ste up here

Phil Archer: Just getting ste up here

11:52:31 <hadleybeeman> How was yesterday? Looks like you covered a lot!

Hadley Beeman: How was yesterday? Looks like you covered a lot!

11:52:46 <phila> Yeah, Dee drove us through a lot of issues :-)

Phil Archer: Yeah, Dee drove us through a lot of issues :-)

11:52:56 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee, you're amazing :)

Hadley Beeman: deirdrelee, you're amazing :)

11:52:56 <phila> zakim, this will be dwbp

Phil Archer: zakim, this will be dwbp

11:52:56 <Zakim> ok, phila; I see DATA_DWBP()8:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, phila; I see DATA_DWBP()8:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes

11:53:15 <phila> RRSAgent, make logs public

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, make logs public

11:54:57 <phila> zakim, code?

Phil Archer: zakim, code?

11:54:57 <Zakim> the conference code is 3927 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), phila

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3927 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), phila

11:55:07 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()8:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: DATA_DWBP()8:00AM has now started

11:55:14 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

11:55:26 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman

11:55:51 <hadleybeeman> zakim, [I is Ipswich

Hadley Beeman: zakim, [I is Ipswich

11:55:51 <Zakim> +Ipswich; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ipswich; got it

11:56:11 <hadleybeeman> zakim, ipswich has phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni

Hadley Beeman: zakim, ipswich has phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni

11:56:11 <Zakim> +phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni; got it

11:57:00 <phila> Meeting: DWBP Face to Face Day 2
11:57:05 <phila> Chair: Deirdre
11:57:11 <phila> Regrets: Steve
12:01:57 <deirdrelee> Hangout: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g4vna23i4mz4l6doovo34sysm4a

Scribe problem: the name 'Hangout' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

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Unknown Hangout: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g4vna23i4mz4l6doovo34sysm4a [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

12:02:53 <deirdrelee> Updated Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/April_2015_F2F

Deirdre Lee: Updated Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/April_2015_F2F

12:15:52 <ericstephan> Hello everyone

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Eric Stephan: Hello everyone

12:15:59 <hadleybeeman> Hello, Austin!

Hadley Beeman: Hello, Austin!

12:16:09 <ericstephan> Just getting set up.

Eric Stephan: Just getting set up.

12:16:14 <deirdrelee> Hi Eric & all!

Deirdre Lee: Hi Eric & all!

12:16:22 <deirdrelee> Hangout: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g4vna23i4mz4l6doovo34sysm4a

Scribe problem: the name 'Hangout' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Hangout: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g4vna23i4mz4l6doovo34sysm4a [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

12:16:29 <phila> http://dublincore.org/documents/2012/06/14/dcmi-terms/?v=terms#Standard

Phil Archer: http://dublincore.org/documents/2012/06/14/dcmi-terms/?v=terms#Standard

12:17:49 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?

Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is here?

12:17:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ipswich, HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ipswich, HadleyBeeman

12:17:51 <Zakim> Ipswich has phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni

Zakim IRC Bot: Ipswich has phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni

12:17:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see yaso, ericstephan, GiselePappa, flavio, newton, makx, deirdrelee, Zakim, RRSAgent, phila, riccardoAlbertoni, rhiaro, hadleybeeman, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see yaso, ericstephan, GiselePappa, flavio, newton, makx, deirdrelee, Zakim, RRSAgent, phila, riccardoAlbertoni, rhiaro, hadleybeeman, trackbot

12:19:03 <yaso> Thanks for this link, Phil

Yaso Córdova: Thanks for this link, Phil

12:19:12 <hadleybeeman> ericstephan, I think we have a bit of feedback.  Would you mind muting your computer?

Hadley Beeman: ericstephan, I think we have a bit of feedback. Would you mind muting your computer?

12:21:18 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

12:22:03 <deirdrelee> updated agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/April_2015_F2F

Deirdre Lee: updated agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/April_2015_F2F

12:23:02 <laufer> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/gu2q3xlnxb4p6sjowowzowteema?v=1428094656

Carlos Laufer: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/gu2q3xlnxb4p6sjowowzowteema?v=1428094656

12:23:18 <laufer> I said that I would scribe tomorrow

Carlos Laufer: I said that I would scribe tomorrow

12:23:31 <laufer> today is not tomorrow

Carlos Laufer: today is not tomorrow

12:23:39 <Caroline> I can scribe later! :)

Caroline Burle: I can scribe later! :)

12:23:48 <Caroline> I must wake up before scribing!

Caroline Burle: I must wake up before scribing!

12:23:49 <laufer> I am scribing

Carlos Laufer: I am scribing

12:24:47 <laufer> deirdrelee: talking about the agenda of the day

Deirdre Lee: talking about the agenda of the day [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

12:24:57 <phila> -> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/WD-dwbp-20150224/3006 DanBri Comment

Phil Archer: -> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/WD-dwbp-20150224/3006 DanBri Comment

12:25:11 <phila> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-04-13#resolution_15

Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-04-13#resolution_15

12:25:27 <laufer> phila: talking about the comments we talked yesterday

Phil Archer: talking about the comments we talked yesterday [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

12:25:31 <laufer> ph

Carlos Laufer: ph

12:25:53 <Sumit_Purohit> Hi deirdrelee

Sumit Purohit: Hi deirdrelee

12:25:57 <ericstephan> sounds good

Eric Stephan: sounds good

12:26:00 <laufer> phila: the comments about dan is defined as not resolved

Phil Archer: the comments about dan is defined as not resolved [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

12:26:08 <phila> action: PhilA to write to DanBri in response to comment 3006

ACTION: PhilA to write to DanBri in response to comment 3006

12:26:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-155 - Write to danbri in response to comment 3006 [on Phil Archer - due 2015-04-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-155 - Write to danbri in response to comment 3006 [on Phil Archer - due 2015-04-21].

12:26:40 <hadleybeeman> +1 to this. I worry about over-enshrining the mental model of "dataset" in what we're doing.

Hadley Beeman: +1 to this. I worry about over-enshrining the mental model of "dataset" in what we're doing.

12:26:47 <laufer> deirdrelee: 15 max for each issue

Deirdre Lee: 15 max for each issue [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

12:26:51 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

12:26:54 <hadleybeeman> issue-52?

Hadley Beeman: ISSUE-52?

12:26:54 <trackbot> issue-52 -- We keep having confusion around our terms. (glossary?) -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-52 -- We keep having confusion around our terms. (glossary?) -- open

12:26:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/52

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/52

12:26:54 <yaso> to close the issue

Yaso Córdova: to close the issue

12:26:56 <phila> issue-52?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-52?

12:26:56 <trackbot> issue-52 -- We keep having confusion around our terms. (glossary?) -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-52 -- We keep having confusion around our terms. (glossary?) -- open

12:26:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/52

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/52

12:27:18 <phila> PROPOSED: Close Issue-52 as there is going to be a glossary

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-52 as there is going to be a glossary

12:27:20 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

12:27:22 <hadleybeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

12:27:24 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

12:27:33 <laufer> could you reapeat the proposal, deirdre

Carlos Laufer: could you reapeat the proposal, deirdre

12:27:38 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

12:27:44 <laufer> thank you phil

Carlos Laufer: thank you phil

12:27:52 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

12:27:53 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

12:28:01 <phila> RESOLVED: Close Issue-52 as there is going to be a glossary

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-52 as there is going to be a glossary

12:28:02 <Caroline> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

12:28:02 <phila> close issue-52

Phil Archer: close ISSUE-52

12:28:02 <trackbot> Closed issue-52.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-52.

12:28:09 <phila> issue-134?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-134?

12:28:09 <trackbot> issue-134 -- About Formats, schemas, vocabularies and data models -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-134 -- About Formats, schemas, vocabularies and data models -- open

12:28:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/134

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/134

12:28:18 <laufer> deirdrelee: issue 134

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-134 [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

12:28:48 <phila> PROPOSED: Close issue-134 as the existence of the glossary answers this point

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-134 as the existence of the glossary answers this point

12:28:53 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

12:28:54 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

12:28:56 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

12:28:56 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

12:29:03 <hadleybeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

12:29:03 <Caroline> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

12:29:04 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio: this definitions are in the glossary, according to joao carlos ideas

Bernadette Farias Loscio: this definitions are in the glossary, according to joao carlos ideas [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

12:29:11 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

12:29:16 <phila> RESOLVED: Close issue-134 as the existence of the glossary answers this point

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-134 as the existence of the glossary answers this point

12:29:20 <GiselePappa> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

12:29:20 <phila> close issue-134

Phil Archer: close ISSUE-134

12:29:20 <trackbot> Closed issue-134.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-134.

12:29:36 <laufer> deirdrelee: i am happy...

Deirdre Lee: i am happy... [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

12:29:54 <hadleybeeman> issue-123?

Hadley Beeman: ISSUE-123?

12:29:54 <trackbot> issue-123 -- Use of SHOULD versus MUST for Sensitive Data -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-123 -- Use of SHOULD versus MUST for Sensitive Data -- open

12:29:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/123

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/123

12:30:15 <laufer> who is talking

Carlos Laufer: who is talking

12:30:27 <yaso> Hadley, Lau

Yaso Córdova: Hadley, Lau

12:30:34 <laufer> hi hadley

Carlos Laufer: hi hadley

12:30:46 <hadleybeeman> hi laufer :)

Hadley Beeman: hi laufer :)

12:31:31 <laufer> ericstephan: in a sense, I do not see problems in changing the info in teh use cases problems

Eric Stephan: in a sense, I do not see problems in changing the info in teh use cases problems [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

12:31:39 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

12:31:39 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

12:31:52 <phila> ack deirdrelee

Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee

12:31:55 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

12:32:01 <ericstephan> q-

Eric Stephan: q-

12:32:09 <phila> deirdrelee: I'm happy to take that suggestion, changing SHOULD to MUST

Deirdre Lee: I'm happy to take that suggestion, changing SHOULD to MUST [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

12:32:32 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

12:32:49 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio_

Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio_

12:32:52 <phila> PROPOSED: Requirement concerning Sensitive Data, in the UCR, should use RFC 2119 MUST, not MUST

PROPOSED: Requirement concerning Sensitive Data, in the UCR, should use RFC 2119 MUST, not SHOULD

12:33:01 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio_: I think does not to be now

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think does not to be now [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

12:33:04 <hadleybeeman> zakim, bernadetteloscio_ is BernadetteLoscio

Hadley Beeman: zakim, bernadetteloscio_ is BernadetteLoscio

12:33:04 <Zakim> sorry, hadleybeeman, I do not recognize a party named 'bernadetteloscio_'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, hadleybeeman, I do not recognize a party named 'bernadetteloscio_'

12:33:16 <phila> s/MUST, not MUST/ MUST, not SHOULD/
12:33:16 <ericstephan> draft PROPOSED:  lining up the verbage for the Use Case requirements  on sensitive data to the verbage in the BP document.

Eric Stephan: draft PROPOSED: lining up the verbage for the Use Case requirements on sensitive data to the verbage in the BP document.

12:33:17 <hadleybeeman> zakim, bernadetteloscio is BernadetteLoscio_

Hadley Beeman: zakim, bernadetteloscio is BernadetteLoscio_

12:33:17 <Zakim> sorry, hadleybeeman, I do not recognize a party named 'bernadetteloscio'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, hadleybeeman, I do not recognize a party named 'bernadetteloscio'

12:33:20 <laufer> ... we need to read all the document to decide is it is should or must

Carlos Laufer: ... we need to read all the document to decide is it is should or must

12:33:31 <laufer> ... we shoul review all the BPs

Carlos Laufer: ... we should review all the BPs

12:34:00 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/shoul/should
12:34:01 <ericstephan> sorry phila didn't see yours

Eric Stephan: sorry phila didn't see yours

12:34:26 <phila> We are talking only about http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#R-SensitivePrivacy

Phil Archer: We are talking only about http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#R-SensitivePrivacy

12:34:29 <laufer> had we to vote eric´s proposal?

Carlos Laufer: had we to vote eric´s proposal?

12:34:31 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

12:34:34 <laufer> have

Carlos Laufer: have

12:34:42 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan

Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan

12:34:55 <laufer> ericstephan: phil could you clarify your proposal

Eric Stephan: phil could you clarify your proposal [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

12:35:13 <ericstephan> PROPOSED: Requirement concerning Sensitive Data, in the UCR, should use RFC 2119 MUST, not should

PROPOSED: Requirement concerning Sensitive Data, in the UCR, should use RFC 2119 MUST, not should

12:35:16 <phila> PROPOSED: That Requirement on Sensitive Data should use the world 'must' not should. See http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#R-SensitivePrivacy

PROPOSED: That Requirement on Sensitive Data should use the world 'must' not should. See http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#R-SensitivePrivacy

12:35:25 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

12:35:27 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

12:35:34 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

12:35:35 <hadleybeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

12:35:37 <annette_g> 0

Annette Greiner: 0

12:35:38 <GiselePappa> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

12:35:40 <BernadetteLoscio_> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

12:35:42 <phila> issue-123?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-123?

12:35:42 <trackbot> issue-123 -- Use of SHOULD versus MUST for Sensitive Data -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-123 -- Use of SHOULD versus MUST for Sensitive Data -- open

12:35:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/123

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/123

12:35:42 <Caroline> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

12:35:42 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

12:35:43 <flavio> +1

Flavio Yanai: +1

12:35:52 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

12:36:06 <phila> RESOLVED: That Requirement on Sensitive Data should use the world 'must' not should. See http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#R-SensitivePrivacy

RESOLVED: That Requirement on Sensitive Data should use the world 'must' not should. See http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#R-SensitivePrivacy

12:36:10 <phila> close issue-123

Phil Archer: close ISSUE-123

12:36:10 <trackbot> Closed issue-123.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-123.

12:36:28 <phila> action: deirdre to change should to must in http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#R-SensitivePrivacy

ACTION: deirdre to change should to must in http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#R-SensitivePrivacy

12:36:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-156 - Change should to must in http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp-ucr/#r-sensitiveprivacy [on Deirdre Lee - due 2015-04-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-156 - Change should to must in http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp-ucr/#r-sensitiveprivacy [on Deirdre Lee - due 2015-04-21].

12:36:29 <laufer> deirdrelee: there are 2 issues about data identifiers

Deirdre Lee: there are 2 issues about data identifiers [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

12:36:34 <phila> issue-77?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-77?

12:36:34 <trackbot> issue-77 -- We need to bring the COMURI work into the Best Practices format agreed at the TPAC F2F -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-77 -- We need to bring the COMURI work into the Best Practices format agreed at the TPAC F2F -- open

12:36:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/77

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/77

12:36:37 <phila> issue-118

Phil Archer: ISSUE-118

12:36:37 <trackbot> issue-118 -- New Requirement suggestion R-VersionURIDesign -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-118 -- New Requirement suggestion R-VersionURIDesign -- open

12:36:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/118

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/118

12:36:38 <laufer> ... maybe we could see both together

Carlos Laufer: ... maybe we could see both together

12:37:22 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

12:37:46 <laufer> isse 118 New Requirement suggestion R-VersionURIDesign

Carlos Laufer: isse 118 New Requirement suggestion R-VersionURIDesign

12:38:00 <BernadetteLoscio_> +q

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +q

12:38:20 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

12:38:23 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio_

Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio_

12:38:33 <phila> q+ to talk about http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#ProvideUniqueIdentifiers

Phil Archer: q+ to talk about http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#ProvideUniqueIdentifiers

12:38:36 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio_: we try to discusse this with tomas

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we try to discusse this with tomas [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

12:38:50 <laufer> ... now we have this things in separate documents

Carlos Laufer: ... now we have this things in separate documents

12:39:03 <laufer> I do not remember exactly what happened

Carlos Laufer: I do not remember exactly what happened

12:39:11 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

12:39:17 <laufer> ... tomas worked in the separated document

Carlos Laufer: ... tomas worked in the separated document

12:39:35 <laufer> ... but this info was not tranfered for the bp document

Carlos Laufer: ... but this info was not tranfered for the bp document

12:39:40 <deirdrelee> http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#ProvideUniqueIdentifiers

Deirdre Lee: http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#ProvideUniqueIdentifiers

12:40:05 <laufer> deirdrelee: incorporate the info of the separate document to the bp document

Deirdre Lee: incorporate the info of the separate document to the bp document [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

12:40:10 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g

Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g

12:40:25 <laufer> annette_g: annette (thinking)

Annette Greiner: annette (thinking) [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

12:40:45 <Zakim> +??P12

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12

12:40:55 <makx> ZAKIM, ??P12 IS ME

Makx Dekkers: ZAKIM, ??P12 IS ME

12:40:55 <Zakim> +makx; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +makx; got it

12:41:34 <laufer> annette_g: explaining a relation between apis and URIs

Annette Greiner: explaining a relation between apis and URIs [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

12:41:54 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

12:42:30 <hadleybeeman> This is a big enough topic that I wouldn't be surprised to see it referenced in various sections.

Hadley Beeman: This is a big enough topic that I wouldn't be surprised to see it referenced in various sections.

12:42:43 <laufer> annette_g: understanding the issue

Annette Greiner: understanding the issue [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

12:42:59 <phila> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

12:42:59 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#ProvideUniqueIdentifiers

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to talk about http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#ProvideUniqueIdentifiers

12:43:18 <laufer> phila: there is a couple of things

Phil Archer: there is a couple of things [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

12:43:30 <phila> http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#R-PersistentIdentification

Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#R-PersistentIdentification

12:43:37 <laufer> ... in the use case documents we have not the requiremets that we have in the issue

Carlos Laufer: ... in the use case documents we have not the requiremets that we have in the issue

12:43:48 <phila> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/118

Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/118

12:43:52 <phila> New Requirement suggestion R-VersionURIDesign from BBC ontology versioning and Metadata

Phil Archer: New Requirement suggestion R-VersionURIDesign from BBC ontology versioning and Metadata

12:43:52 <phila>  R-VersionURIDesign: “Data should have a canonical way to design URIs for different snapshot of the dataset.”

Phil Archer: R-VersionURIDesign: “Data should have a canonical way to design URIs for different snapshot of the dataset.”

12:44:06 <laufer> ... what he is saying is that we need a new requirement of version uri design

Carlos Laufer: ... what he is saying is that we need a new requirement of version uri design

12:44:08 <phila> http://www.w3.org/2014/10/31-dwbp-minutes#onedoc

Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/2014/10/31-dwbp-minutes#onedoc

12:44:16 <laufer> ... at the moment we have the tomas document

Carlos Laufer: ... at the moment we have the tomas document

12:44:21 <phila> http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#ProvideUniqueIdentifiers

Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#ProvideUniqueIdentifiers

12:44:29 <laufer> ... we decided in tpac not to publish the document

Carlos Laufer: ... we decided in tpac not to publish the document

12:45:06 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

12:45:08 <laufer> phila: what we can do is to close the issue...

Phil Archer: what we can do is to close the issue... [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

12:45:45 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee

Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee

12:46:15 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio_: i just want to say that we could close the issue but we need to discuss the bp for identification

Bernadette Farias Loscio: i just want to say that we could close the issue but we need to discuss the bp for identification [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

12:46:29 <laufer> ... maybe later

Carlos Laufer: ... maybe later

12:46:32 <hadleybeeman> +1 to BernadetteLoscio_ — this sounds like we have a new issue here.

Hadley Beeman: +1 to BernadetteLoscio_ — this sounds like we have a new issue here.

12:46:57 <laufer> PROPOSED: closse the issue 77

PROPOSED: closse the ISSUE-77

12:47:01 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

12:47:04 <hadleybeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

12:47:05 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

12:47:07 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

12:47:14 <Caroline> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

12:47:14 <GiselePappa> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

12:47:16 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

12:47:19 <BernadetteLoscio_> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

12:47:25 <phila> +1 as it is being incorporated in the BP doc (work still to do)

Phil Archer: +1 as it is being incorporated in the BP doc (work still to do)

12:47:27 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

12:47:32 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

12:47:35 <NewtonCalegari> +1

Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown NewtonCalegari: +1

12:47:38 <Sumit_Purohit> +1

Sumit Purohit: +1

12:47:39 <makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

12:47:40 <laufer> RESOLVED: close the issue 77

RESOLVED: close the ISSUE-77

12:47:55 <phila> close issue-77

Phil Archer: close ISSUE-77

12:47:55 <trackbot> Closed issue-77.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-77.

12:48:04 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

12:48:20 <BernadetteLoscio_> q-

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q-

12:48:23 <laufer> deirdrelee: shouk we create an action tho incorporate the things to the bp document?

Deirdre Lee: should we create an action tho incorporate the things to the bp document? [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

12:48:43 <phila> deirdrelee: We can close 118, URI design overall should be included in the BP doc but may not need pulling out in the UCR doc

Deirdre Lee: We can close 118, URI design overall should be included in the BP doc but may not need pulling out in the UCR doc [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

12:48:54 <ericstephan> +1 deirdrelee

Eric Stephan: +1 deirdrelee

12:48:56 <phila> q?

Phil Archer: q?

12:49:00 <laufer> s/shouk/should/
12:49:01 <makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

12:49:15 <phila> PROPOSED: Close Issue-118, because it will be included in the BP doc

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-118, because it will be included in the BP doc

12:49:18 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

12:49:19 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

12:49:20 <hadleybeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

12:49:22 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

12:49:23 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

12:49:25 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

12:49:25 <GiselePappa> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

12:49:26 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

12:49:45 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

12:49:59 <hadleybeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

12:50:16 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio_

Phil Archer: ack BernadetteLoscio_

12:50:30 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio_: the uri design will be a requirement?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: the uri design will be a requirement? [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

12:50:32 <phila> RESOLVED: Close Issue-118, because it will be included in the BP doc

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-118, because it will be included in the BP doc

12:50:40 <phila> close issue-118

Phil Archer: close ISSUE-118

12:50:40 <trackbot> Closed issue-118.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-118.

12:50:53 <phila> ack hadleybeeman

Phil Archer: ack hadleybeeman

12:52:01 <laufer> hadleybeeman: there are the actions tyo do these things

Hadley Beeman: there are the actions tyo do these things [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

12:52:03 <phila> I will

Phil Archer: I will

12:52:42 <hadleybeeman> I was suggesting we have an action to review it, and a new issue to explain why we were reviewing it.

Hadley Beeman: I was suggesting we have an action to review it, and a new issue to explain why we were reviewing it.

12:53:00 <phila> action: phila to work with hadleybeeman to revise the BP on http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#ProvideUniqueIdentifiers and make new suggestions

ACTION: phila to work with hadleybeeman to revise the BP on http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#ProvideUniqueIdentifiers and make new suggestions

12:53:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-157 - Work with hadleybeeman to revise the bp on http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp/#provideuniqueidentifiers and make new suggestions [on Phil Archer - due 2015-04-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-157 - Work with hadleybeeman to revise the bp on http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp/#provideuniqueidentifiers and make new suggestions [on Phil Archer - due 2015-04-21].

12:53:17 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

12:54:02 <BernadetteLoscio_> q-

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q-

12:54:09 <laufer> deirdrelee: issue 144

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-144 [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

12:54:24 <phila> Topic: Tech Bias in our docs

1. Tech Bias in our docs

12:54:24 <hadleybeeman> issue-144?

Hadley Beeman: ISSUE-144?

12:54:24 <trackbot> issue-144 -- There is a technological bias in several parts of the document -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-144 -- There is a technological bias in several parts of the document -- open

12:54:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/144

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/144

12:54:38 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a]

12:54:44 <laufer> There is a technological bias in several parts of the document

Carlos Laufer: There is a technological bias in several parts of the document

12:54:48 <cgueret> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me

Christophe Gueret: zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me

12:54:48 <Zakim> +cgueret; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cgueret; got it

12:54:55 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

12:55:18 <laufer> deirdrelee: there is a lot of discussion about this issue

Deirdre Lee: there is a lot of discussion about this issue [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

12:55:29 <phila> deirdrelee: We could acknowledge that there is a tech bias - and be happy with it - or try and remove itr

Deirdre Lee: We could acknowledge that there is a tech bias - and be happy with it - or try and remove itr [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

12:55:32 <yaso> Welcome, cgueret!

Yaso Córdova: Welcome, cgueret!

12:55:40 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

12:55:40 <deirdrelee> ack laufer

Deirdre Lee: ack laufer

12:55:47 <yaso> q+

Yaso Córdova: q+

12:56:02 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

12:56:18 <annette_g> laufer: we acknowledge that we have this kind of thing. But it's a thing that we'll have to think about for all the docs. It will be an open issue in our minds, but we can close it.

Carlos Laufer: we acknowledge that we have this kind of thing. But it's a thing that we'll have to think about for all the docs. It will be an open issue in our minds, but we can close it. [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

12:56:27 <ericstephan> +1 laufer

Eric Stephan: +1 laufer

12:56:31 <phila> laufer: This issue will be open until the heat death of the universe

Carlos Laufer: This issue will be open until the heat death of the universe [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

12:56:38 <ericstephan> nice :-)

Eric Stephan: nice :-)

12:56:50 <yaso> lol

Yaso Córdova: lol

12:56:50 <phila> (scribe paraphrase)

Phil Archer: (scribe paraphrase)

12:56:58 <hadleybeeman> can we use "until the heat death of the universe" in the document? :)

Hadley Beeman: can we use "until the heat death of the universe" in the document? :)

12:56:59 <Zakim> -makx

Zakim IRC Bot: -makx

12:57:01 <ericstephan> couldn't it be for the lifetime of our star?

Eric Stephan: couldn't it be for the lifetime of our star?

12:57:01 <phila> ack yaso

Phil Archer: ack yaso

12:57:45 <deirdrelee> ack yaso

Deirdre Lee: ack yaso

12:57:51 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

12:58:02 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio_: is not easy to close this isse

Bernadette Farias Loscio: is not easy to close this isse [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

12:58:12 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio_

Phil Archer: ack BernadetteLoscio_

12:58:13 <laufer> ... in carlos comments about the document

Carlos Laufer: ... in carlos comments about the document

12:58:25 <laufer> ... he does not like to use uri as identifiers

Carlos Laufer: ... he does not like to use uri as identifiers

12:58:35 <hadleybeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

12:58:39 <yaso> I think that this will be partially solved when we have more clearance on terms definitions by scenarios, situations, things like that

Yaso Córdova: I think that this will be partially solved when we have more clearance on terms definitions by scenarios, situations, things like that

12:58:40 <laufer> ... he prefer to use only identifiers...

Carlos Laufer: ... he prefer to use only identifiers...

12:58:45 <Sumit_Purohit> +q

Sumit Purohit: +q

12:58:47 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

12:58:50 <riccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

12:58:50 <laufer> ... what we would do...

Carlos Laufer: ... what we would do...

12:58:54 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

12:59:12 <phila> ack deirdrelee

Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee

12:59:25 <laufer> deirdrelee: we decided to be out of scope to talk about the formats

Deirdre Lee: we decided to be out of scope to talk about the formats [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

12:59:45 <phila> deirdrelee: yesterday we decided it was in scope to recommend standards, without exclusing other methods, and we decided that formats were out of scope

Deirdre Lee: yesterday we decided it was in scope to recommend standards, without exclusing other methods, and we decided that formats were out of scope [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:00:10 <phila> deirdrelee: So I think we effectively closed this issue yesterday - we're open to other methods, but we can recommend

Deirdre Lee: So I think we effectively closed this issue yesterday - we're open to other methods, but we can recommend [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:00:38 <phila> deirdrelee: When Hadley and Phil revise the identifier section, they'll have to abide by the scope - formats out, standards in

Deirdre Lee: When Hadley and Phil revise the identifier section, they'll have to abide by the scope - formats out, standards in [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:00:49 <phila> ... so I don't think we shoud spend time talkinbg about it now

Phil Archer: ... so I don't think we shoud spend time talkinbg about it now

13:00:53 <phila> ack hadleybeeman

Phil Archer: ack hadleybeeman

13:00:57 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

13:01:03 <deirdrelee> ack Sumit_Purohit

Deirdre Lee: ack Sumit_Purohit

13:01:24 <laufer> Sumit_Purohit: we can recommend dcat

Sumit Purohit: we can recommend dcat [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

13:01:46 <laufer> ... but we should mantain the right the people to use other things

Carlos Laufer: ... but we should mantain the right the people to use other things

13:01:58 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

13:02:07 <phila> q+ to talk about HTTP and URIs

Phil Archer: q+ to talk about HTTP and URIs

13:02:31 <phila> +1 to Annette - using alternative IDs is not precluded by the use of URIs

Phil Archer: +1 to Annette - using alternative IDs is not precluded by the use of URIs

13:02:43 <laufer> annette_g: having uris as identifiers does not mean that you have to use a specific tec

Annette Greiner: having uris as identifiers does not mean that you have to use a specific tec [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

13:02:54 <ericstephan> +1 annette_g  I use examples all the time for thinking about repurposing in other techologies

Eric Stephan: +1 annette_g I use examples all the time for thinking about repurposing in other techologies

13:02:57 <hadleybeeman> +1 to Annette that "being on the web" is important here.

Hadley Beeman: +1 to Annette that "being on the web" is important here.

13:03:00 <phila> annette_g: It makes not sense to say things need a URI because if they don't, they're not on the Web

Annette Greiner: It makes not sense to say things need a URI because if they don't, they're not on the Web [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:03:17 <phila> zakim, close queue

Phil Archer: zakim, close queue

13:03:17 <Zakim> ok, phila, the speaker queue is closed

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, phila, the speaker queue is closed

13:03:24 <phila> ack riccardoAlbertoni

Phil Archer: ack riccardoAlbertoni

13:03:34 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g

Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g

13:03:42 <phila> riccardoAlbertoni: Concerning the bias, whenever anyone raises this issue, we ask them to give an example using anotehr tech

Riccardo Albertoni: Concerning the bias, whenever anyone raises this issue, we ask them to give an example using anotehr tech [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:03:57 <phila> ... if this is too LD oriented, then, OK, give an example of anotehr way

Phil Archer: ... if this is too LD oriented, then, OK, give an example of anotehr way

13:04:03 <cgueret> URN are not on the Web, are they ? and still they are URI too ;-)

Christophe Gueret: URN are not on the Web, are they ? and still they are URI too ;-)

13:04:11 <phila> Phila +1 to riccardoAlbertoni

Phil Archer: Phila +1 to riccardoAlbertoni

13:04:19 <phila> ack laufer

Phil Archer: ack laufer

13:04:47 <annette_g> +1 to laufer

Annette Greiner: +1 to laufer

13:05:29 <phila> laufer: Is it bias or is it design? (I think is what he's saying)

Carlos Laufer: Is it bias or is it design? (I think is what he's saying) [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:05:31 <deirdrelee> issue-144?

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-144?

13:05:31 <trackbot> issue-144 -- There is a technological bias in several parts of the document -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-144 -- There is a technological bias in several parts of the document -- open

13:05:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/144

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/144

13:05:33 <ericstephan> +1 to laufer, however death of the star, I have hope for more standards based civilizations

Eric Stephan: +1 to laufer, however death of the star, I have hope for more standards based civilizations

13:05:48 <annette_g> Laufer: the issue of bias can't be addressed all as one issue. We need to have specific issues to address.

Carlos Laufer: the issue of bias can't be addressed all as one issue. We need to have specific issues to address. [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

13:05:49 <phila> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

13:05:49 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about HTTP and URIs

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to talk about HTTP and URIs

13:06:23 <cgueret> ^_^

Christophe Gueret: ^_^

13:06:33 <cgueret> +1 to Phil for https !

Christophe Gueret: +1 to Phil for https !

13:06:47 <NewtonCalegari> http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html

Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown NewtonCalegari: http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html

13:06:53 <yaso> +1 to https!!

Yaso Córdova: +1 to https!!

13:07:23 <hadleybeeman> phila: W3C is recommending https, rather than http.  When Hadley and I look at this, we will take that into account for data too.

Phil Archer: W3C is recommending https, rather than http. When Hadley and I look at this, we will take that into account for data too. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

13:07:40 <ericstephan> hypertext transfer protocol stephan (https)

Eric Stephan: hypertext transfer protocol stephan (https)

13:07:44 <hadleybeeman> ...For those of you concerned with SEO, https:// by default increases your pageRank.

Hadley Beeman: ...For those of you concerned with SEO, https:// by default increases your pageRank.

13:07:59 <phila> issue: Whether we should recommend HTTPS by default, rather than HTTP

ISSUE: Whether we should recommend HTTPS by default, rather than HTTP

13:07:59 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-161 - Whether we should recommend https by default, rather than http.  Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/161/edit>.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-161 - Whether we should recommend https by default, rather than http. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/161/edit>.

13:08:14 <ericstephan> sounds great

Eric Stephan: sounds great

13:08:21 <cgueret> yup, I'm all for it

Christophe Gueret: yup, I'm all for it

13:08:22 <phila> That is the issue cgueret - and consensus is hard to come by

Phil Archer: That is the issue cgueret - and consensus is hard to come by

13:08:22 <annette_g> * cgueret, my thought, too, but what happens when you get it wrong in your browser?

Annette Greiner: * cgueret, my thought, too, but what happens when you get it wrong in your browser?

13:08:23 <hadleybeeman> rrsagent, pointer?

Hadley Beeman: rrsagent, pointer?

13:08:23 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-irc#T13-08-23

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-irc#T13-08-23

13:08:51 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Close issue-144, scope will keep technological bias in mind

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-144, scope will keep technological bias in mind

13:08:56 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

13:09:03 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

13:09:03 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

13:09:12 <cgueret> +1

Christophe Gueret: +1

13:09:17 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

13:09:18 <phila> (the sun just went in...)

Phil Archer: (the sun just went in...)

13:09:24 <ericstephan> laufer smiling

Eric Stephan: laufer smiling

13:09:31 <phila> RESOLVED: Close issue-144, scope will keep technological bias in min

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-144, scope will keep technological bias in min

13:09:35 <ericstephan> su-mit su-mit

Eric Stephan: su-mit su-mit

13:09:39 <Sumit_Purohit> scribe:sumit

(Scribe set to Sumit Purohit)

13:09:49 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

13:10:03 <BernadetteLoscio_> -1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: -1

13:10:24 <ericstephan> no kicking needed, sumit has spunk :-)

Eric Stephan: no kicking needed, sumit has spunk :-)

13:10:35 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

13:11:10 <laufer> the queue is closed for me...  it is not fair

Carlos Laufer: the queue is closed for me... it is not fair

13:11:14 <Sumit_Purohit> BernadetteLoscio_ : yaso made some changes in the document based on carlos idea, but it is not resolved as yet......

BernadetteLoscio_ : yaso made some changes in the document based on carlos idea, but it is not resolved as yet......

13:11:26 <Sumit_Purohit> .....so the issue is still open

.....so the issue is still open

13:11:27 <yaso> q+

Yaso Córdova: q+

13:12:35 <deirdrelee> zakim, queue is open

Deirdre Lee: zakim, queue is open

13:12:35 <Zakim> sorry, deirdrelee, I do not recognize a party named 'queue'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, deirdrelee, I do not recognize a party named 'queue'

13:12:45 <Sumit_Purohit> deirdrelee: we as a group will decide to accept or reject recommendations we get from hadley and Phil

Deirdre Lee: we as a group will decide to accept or reject recommendations we get from hadley and Phil

13:12:53 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

13:13:15 <Sumit_Purohit> laufer: if its a thing i have to access over the web, its an URI

Carlos Laufer: if its a thing i have to access over the web, its an URI

13:13:33 <hadleybeeman> zakim, open the queue

Hadley Beeman: zakim, open the queue

13:13:33 <Zakim> ok, hadleybeeman, the speaker queue is open

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, hadleybeeman, the speaker queue is open

13:13:37 <Sumit_Purohit> ...if you use it in your own context, you can have anything you want.

...if you use it in your own context, you can have anything you want.

13:13:46 <Sumit_Purohit> but if it is over web, its a URI

but if it is over web, its a URI

13:13:49 <ericstephan> that's fine

Eric Stephan: that's fine

13:13:52 <yaso> ok!

Yaso Córdova: ok!

13:14:28 <hadleybeeman> +1 to deirdrelee on creating a new issue

Hadley Beeman: +1 to deirdrelee on creating a new issue

13:14:55 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio_- trying to speak

Eric Stephan: BernadetteLoscio_- trying to speak

13:14:56 <yaso> Deirdre, I think that BernadetteLoscio_ has some comments on that

Yaso Córdova: Deirdre, I think that BernadetteLoscio_ has some comments on that

13:14:57 <Sumit_Purohit> Austin.....want to talk....

Austin.....want to talk....

13:14:59 <annette_g> can you hear us?

Annette Greiner: can you hear us?

13:15:47 <ericstephan> scribe: ericstephan

(Scribe set to Eric Stephan)

13:16:03 <phila> issue: Should the BP document refer to URIs or Identifiers

ISSUE: Should the BP document refer to URIs or Identifiers

13:16:03 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-163 - Should the bp document refer to uris or identifiers.  Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/163/edit>.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-163 - Should the bp document refer to uris or identifiers. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/163/edit>.

13:16:16 <hadleybeeman> rrsagent, pointer?

Hadley Beeman: rrsagent, pointer?

13:16:16 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-irc#T13-16-16

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-irc#T13-16-16

13:16:22 <ericstephan> deirdrelee: following agenda now BernadetteLoscio_ and will cover this at the end of the meeting if we have time.  Is that fair?

Deirdre Lee: following agenda now BernadetteLoscio_ and will cover this at the end of the meeting if we have time. Is that fair?

13:16:26 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio_: ok

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ok

13:16:49 <phila> Topic: Archiving and Preservation

2. Archiving and Preservation

13:16:58 <cgueret> yeah! :-)

Christophe Gueret: yeah! :-)

13:16:59 <phila> Step forward Dr Gueret...

Phil Archer: Step forward Dr Gueret...

13:17:10 <deirdrelee> issue-62?

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-62?

13:17:10 <trackbot> issue-62 -- What info is given when dereferencing a persistent identifier after the resource has been removed/archived -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-62 -- What info is given when dereferencing a persistent identifier after the resource has been removed/archived -- open

13:17:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/62

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/62

13:17:14 <deirdrelee> issue-63?

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-63?

13:17:14 <trackbot> issue-63 -- If a resource is archived, is the correct response 410, 303 or something else? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-63 -- If a resource is archived, is the correct response 410, 303 or something else? -- open

13:17:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/63

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/63

13:17:17 <deirdrelee> issue-143?

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-143?

13:17:17 <trackbot> issue-143 -- Is Data Preservation in the scope of the DWBP document? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-143 -- Is Data Preservation in the scope of the DWBP document? -- open

13:17:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/143

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/143

13:17:21 <ericstephan> beyond data-dome

beyond data-dome

13:17:27 <cgueret> give me a sec, I need to move to a place where I can speak....

Christophe Gueret: give me a sec, I need to move to a place where I can speak....

13:17:55 <phila> I think 62 and 63 are the same

Phil Archer: I think 62 and 63 are the same

13:18:04 <ericstephan> deirdrelee: I propose that preservation and archiving are in scope

Deirdre Lee: I propose that preservation and archiving are in scope

13:18:20 <cgueret> +1

Christophe Gueret: +1

13:19:05 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

13:19:07 <ericstephan> deirdrelee: looking at issue-143 first for a more fundamental question

Deirdre Lee: looking at ISSUE-143 first for a more fundamental question

13:19:08 <phila> phila: Let's look at 143 first which will decide whether the other are relevant

Phil Archer: Let's look at 143 first which will decide whether the other are relevant [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:19:15 <Zakim> -cgueret

Zakim IRC Bot: -cgueret

13:19:17 <deirdrelee> ack laufer

Deirdre Lee: ack laufer

13:19:41 <ericstephan> laufer: looking at description of issue, persistence, versioning and data preservation.

Carlos Laufer: looking at description of issue, persistence, versioning and data preservation.

13:19:55 <ericstephan> laufer: archiving is a must

Carlos Laufer: archiving is a must

13:20:16 <ericstephan> laufer: I don't know what we will write in this BP we must have preservation.

Carlos Laufer: I don't know what we will write in this BP we must have preservation.

13:20:19 <phila> Draft proposal - that data archiving (taking data offline) is out of scope, but what is left on the Web after archiving has taken place *is* in scope

Phil Archer: Draft proposal - that data archiving (taking data offline) is out of scope, but what is left on the Web after archiving has taken place *is* in scope

13:20:21 <deirdrelee> bp doc: http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataPreservation

Deirdre Lee: bp doc: http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataPreservation

13:20:24 <ericstephan> laufer: versioning may be optional

Carlos Laufer: versioning may be optional

13:20:28 <phila> q+ to make my proposal

Phil Archer: q+ to make my proposal

13:20:34 <ericstephan> laufer: shouldn't be handled the same way

Carlos Laufer: shouldn't be handled the same way

13:20:49 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a]

13:21:02 <cgueret_> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me

Christophe Gueret: zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me

13:21:02 <Zakim> +cgueret_; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cgueret_; got it

13:21:24 <ericstephan> deirdrelee: just to clear data preservation and archiving are in scope laufer?

Deirdre Lee: just to clear data preservation and archiving are in scope laufer?

13:21:39 <ericstephan> laufer: data preservation and archiving are the same thing to me

Carlos Laufer: data preservation and archiving are not the same thing to me

13:21:58 <phila> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

13:21:59 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to make my proposal

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to make my proposal

13:22:24 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

13:22:28 <cgueret_> q+ to say I agree with Phil

Christophe Gueret: q+ to say I agree with Phil

13:22:29 <annette_g> +1 to phil

Annette Greiner: +1 to phil

13:22:46 <ericstephan> phila: I think there are boundaries when you go out of scope, if you get to the point where you go offline, what is the stuff you leave behind?

Phil Archer: I think there are boundaries when you go out of scope, if you get to the point where you go offline, what is the stuff you leave behind?

13:22:47 <laufer> s/are the same/are not the same/
13:23:06 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to deirdrelee

Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to deirdrelee

13:23:06 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

13:23:15 <Sumit_Purohit> +1 deirdrelee

Sumit Purohit: +1 deirdrelee

13:23:21 <Sumit_Purohit> scribe : sumit

Sumit Purohit: scribe : sumit

13:23:22 <deirdrelee> ack me

Deirdre Lee: ack me

13:23:24 <ericstephan> deirdrelee: once it goes offline it goes out of scope.

Deirdre Lee: once it goes offline it goes out of scope.

13:23:25 <hadleybeeman> +1 to deirdrelee

Hadley Beeman: +1 to deirdrelee

13:23:27 <phila> ack cgueret

Phil Archer: ack cgueret

13:23:27 <Zakim> cgueret_, you wanted to say I agree with Phil

Zakim IRC Bot: cgueret_, you wanted to say I agree with Phil

13:23:35 <laufer> s/are not the same/are the same/
13:23:53 <ericstephan> having problems hearing

having problems hearing

13:24:11 <cgueret_> oh :/

Christophe Gueret: oh :/

13:24:23 <cgueret_> and there is the accent too :-p

Christophe Gueret: and there is the accent too :-p

13:24:29 <Sumit_Purohit> austin can not hear as well

Sumit Purohit: austin can not hear as well

13:24:57 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

13:25:00 <cgueret_> fully agree with Phil and deirdree but we should not say everything must be preserved

Christophe Gueret: fully agree with Phil and deirdree but we should not say everything must be preserved

13:25:10 <phila> PROPOSED: That we recognise that archiving is part of the lifecycle of data management. How data is managed in an offline repository is out of scope, however, what is left on the Web after archiving has taken place *is* in scope.

PROPOSED: That we recognise that archiving is part of the lifecycle of data management. How data is managed in an offline repository is out of scope, however, what is left on the Web after archiving has taken place *is* in scope.

13:25:13 <cgueret_> the decision on sending something to an archive is up to the publisher

Christophe Gueret: the decision on sending something to an archive is up to the publisher

13:25:22 <Sumit_Purohit> +q

Sumit Purohit: +q

13:25:27 <cgueret_> we should give indications on what to do with the remaining URIs

Christophe Gueret: we should give indications on what to do with the remaining URIs

13:25:38 <cgueret_> which still exist even if the data is taken offline

Christophe Gueret: which still exist even if the data is taken offline

13:25:43 <phila> ack annette_g

Phil Archer: ack annette_g

13:26:21 <Sumit_Purohit> annette_g: we need to stick with context on the data on the web ,such as persistent is in scope, but not archiving

Annette Greiner: we need to stick with context on the data on the web ,such as persistent is in scope, but not archiving [ Scribe Assist by Sumit Purohit ]

13:26:27 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

13:26:28 <ericstephan> +1 annette_g

+1 annette_g

13:26:33 <phila> +1 annette_g

Phil Archer: +1 annette_g

13:26:37 <cgueret_> +1

Christophe Gueret: +1

13:26:37 <phila> ack Sumit_Purohit

Phil Archer: ack Sumit_Purohit

13:26:59 <ericstephan> Sumit_Purohit: I was agreeing with what laufer said that archiving and preservation go hand in hand

Sumit Purohit: I was agreeing with what laufer said that archiving and preservation go hand in hand

13:27:10 <cgueret_> it would be also good for us to make it clear that archiving the Web of Data is not quite the same as archiving the Web of Documents

Christophe Gueret: it would be also good for us to make it clear that archiving the Web of Data is not quite the same as archiving the Web of Documents

13:27:51 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

13:27:53 <Sumit_Purohit> laufer: its a Question, when we have deliverables, we have draft, we do access all the older version.

Carlos Laufer: its a Question, when we have deliverables, we have draft, we do access all the older version. [ Scribe Assist by Sumit Purohit ]

13:27:55 <deirdrelee> ack laufer

Deirdre Lee: ack laufer

13:28:24 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

13:28:24 <hadleybeeman> It sounds like we're down to definitions again.  What is "archiving"? We should write that.

Hadley Beeman: It sounds like we're down to definitions again. What is "archiving"? We should write that.

13:28:28 <Sumit_Purohit> ....but if we have all the documents available then it is a best practice....you should have access to all the deliverables

Sumit Purohit: ....but if we have all the documents available then it is a best practice....you should have access to all the deliverables

13:28:29 <cgueret_> -1 to laufer. Archiving is not a matter of giving access to all data

Christophe Gueret: -1 to laufer. Archiving is not a matter of giving online access to all data

13:28:51 <cgueret_> s/giving access/giving online access/
13:29:16 <phila> deirdrelee: Should there be a reference to versioning if we have a spedcific BP about archiving...

Deirdre Lee: Should there be a reference to versioning if we have a specific BP about archiving... [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:29:29 <cgueret_> versioning is related to preservation but that's not a strict coupling. You can have one without the other

Christophe Gueret: versioning is related to preservation but that's not a strict coupling. You can have one without the other

13:29:30 <phila> ... and to recommend that there should be a specific BP on the topic

Phil Archer: ... and to recommend that there should be a specific BP on the topic

13:30:07 <laufer> cgueret_: I am not saying that you must give the access...  but you may... and I think that for some types of data it is a bp to do that...

Christophe Gueret: I am not saying that you must give the access... but you may... and I think that for some types of data it is a bp to do that... [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ]

13:30:29 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/spedcific/specific
13:30:30 <cgueret_> laufer, ok then :)

Christophe Gueret: laufer, ok then :)

13:30:49 <phila> PROPOSED: That we recognise that archiving is part of data management. How data is managed in an offline repository is out of scope, however, what is left on the Web after archiving has taken place *is* in scope. There will be at least one Best Practice on this topic. Versioning needs to be taken into account.

PROPOSED: That we recognise that archiving is part of data management. How data is managed in an offline repository is out of scope, however, what is left on the Web after archiving has taken place *is* in scope. There will be at least one Best Practice on this topic. Versioning needs to be taken into account.

13:31:04 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

13:31:09 <cgueret_> +1

Christophe Gueret: +1

13:31:11 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

13:31:11 <ericstephan> +1

+1

13:31:21 <cgueret_> (we're allowed to vote now, right ?)

Christophe Gueret: (we're allowed to vote now, right ?)

13:31:27 <hadleybeeman> Well articulated, phila.

Hadley Beeman: Well articulated, phila.

13:31:31 <phila> ack annette_g

Phil Archer: ack annette_g

13:31:33 <Sumit_Purohit> +1

Sumit Purohit: +1

13:31:40 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee

Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee

13:31:53 <Sumit_Purohit> annette_g: data preservation should be offline as well as online....

Annette Greiner: data preservation should be offline as well as online.... [ Scribe Assist by Sumit Purohit ]

13:31:58 <cgueret_> Probably the longest proposal we've voted on so far ;-)

Christophe Gueret: Probably the longest proposal we've voted on so far ;-)

13:32:13 <Sumit_Purohit> ......if we put some sort of encouragement then it is OK

Sumit Purohit: ......if we put some sort of encouragement then it is OK

13:32:17 <hadleybeeman> @annette_g, to whose mind is that a bad practice?

Hadley Beeman: @annette_g, to whose mind is that a bad practice?

13:32:31 <Sumit_Purohit> ......it is not a good idea to treat web servers as data archiving system

Sumit Purohit: ......it is not a good idea to treat web servers as data archiving system

13:32:51 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio_

Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio_

13:32:53 <hadleybeeman> (Sorry annette_g, that sounded very combative. I didn't mean that — just that it sounds like it may be something from a community that isn't just Data on the Web.)

Hadley Beeman: (Sorry annette_g, that sounded very combative. I didn't mean that — just that it sounds like it may be something from a community that isn't just Data on the Web.)

13:33:05 <annette_g> @hadleybeeman, anyone who worries about security

Annette Greiner: @hadleybeeman, anyone who worries about security

13:33:10 <Sumit_Purohit> BernadetteLoscio_: we have a section about data preservation but we removed it from the document...

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we have a section about data preservation but we removed it from the document... [ Scribe Assist by Sumit Purohit ]

13:33:16 <Sumit_Purohit> are we talking about new BP ?

Sumit Purohit: are we talking about new BP ?

13:33:37 <hadleybeeman> @annette_g I wish we could explore that over coffee. Sounds a) very interesting, and b) may in scope but maybe not?

Hadley Beeman: @annette_g I wish we could explore that over coffee. Sounds a) very interesting, and b) may in scope but maybe not?

13:33:51 <cgueret_> +1 to reuse what I did before ;-)

Christophe Gueret: +1 to reuse what I did before ;-)

13:34:03 <BernadetteLoscio_> +q

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +q

13:34:04 <Sumit_Purohit> ....we should review work of christoph...

Sumit Purohit: ....we should review work of christoph...

13:34:14 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio_

Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio_

13:34:19 <ericstephan> +1 BernadetteLoscio_

+1 BernadetteLoscio_

13:34:24 <hadleybeeman> +1 to that, BernadetteLoscio_

Hadley Beeman: +1 to that, BernadetteLoscio_

13:34:26 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to BernadetteLoscio_

Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to BernadetteLoscio_

13:34:29 <cgueret_> +1

Christophe Gueret: +1

13:34:34 <Sumit_Purohit> BernadetteLoscio_: ...we should also add data definition of archiving on glossory

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ...we should also add data definition of archiving and presentation and preservation on glossary [ Scribe Assist by Sumit Purohit ]

13:34:39 <deirdrelee> +1 to BernadetteLoscio_

Deirdre Lee: +1 to BernadetteLoscio_

13:34:47 <cgueret_> can you make an action for me ?

Christophe Gueret: can you make an action for me ?

13:34:49 <Sumit_Purohit> s/glossory/glossary
13:34:54 <NewtonCalegari> or in github: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/glossary.html

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Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown NewtonCalegari: or in github: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/glossary.html

13:35:14 <riccardoAlbertoni> PROPOSED: That we recognise that archiving is part of data management. How data is managed in an offline repository is out of scope, however, what is left on the Web after archiving has taken place *is* in scope. There will be at least one Best Practice on this topic. Versioning needs to be taken into account.

PROPOSED: That we recognise that archiving is part of data management. How data is managed in an offline repository is out of scope, however, what is left on the Web after archiving has taken place *is* in scope. There will be at least one Best Practice on this topic. Versioning needs to be taken into account.

13:35:17 <hadleybeeman> s/of archiving/of archiving and presentation and preservation
13:35:31 <cgueret_> I'll also get the glossary definition validated by an archivist here

Christophe Gueret: I'll also get the glossary definition validated by an archivist here

13:35:32 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

13:35:36 <Sumit_Purohit> +1

Sumit Purohit: +1

13:35:37 <hadleybeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

13:35:38 <cgueret_> +1

Christophe Gueret: +1

13:35:39 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

13:35:42 <GiselePappa> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

13:35:42 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

13:35:44 <ericstephan> +1

+1

13:35:46 <NewtonCalegari> +1

Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown NewtonCalegari: +1

13:35:49 <BernadetteLoscio_> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

13:35:49 <Caroline> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

13:35:51 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

13:35:52 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

13:36:12 <Caroline> +1to cgueret_ to get the glossary definition validated by an archivist

Caroline Burle: +1to cgueret_ to get the glossary definition validated by an archivist

13:36:40 <deirdrelee> action: deirdrelee to add preservtion text to scope

ACTION: deirdrelee to add preservtion text to scope

13:36:40 <trackbot> Error finding 'deirdrelee'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'deirdrelee'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.

13:36:57 <deirdrelee> action: deirdre to add preservtion text to scope

ACTION: deirdre to add preservtion text to scope

13:36:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-158 - Add preservtion text to scope [on Deirdre Lee - due 2015-04-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-158 - Add preservtion text to scope [on Deirdre Lee - due 2015-04-21].

13:37:12 <deirdrelee> action: christoph to define preseravation bp

ACTION: christoph to define preseravation bp

13:37:12 <trackbot> Error finding 'christoph'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'christoph'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.

13:37:25 <phila> action: cgueret to write a definition of archiving (and preservation) in the glossary (again!)

ACTION: cgueret to write a definition of archiving (and preservation) in the glossary (again!)

13:37:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-159 - Write a definition of archiving (and preservation) in the glossary (again!) [on Christophe Gueret - due 2015-04-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-159 - Write a definition of archiving (and preservation) in the glossary (again!) [on Christophe Gueret - due 2015-04-21].

13:37:47 <deirdrelee> action: cgueret to write a bp on preservation in bp doc

ACTION: cgueret to write a bp on preservation in bp doc

13:37:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-160 - Write a bp on preservation in bp doc [on Christophe Gueret - due 2015-04-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-160 - Write a bp on preservation in bp doc [on Christophe Gueret - due 2015-04-21].

13:38:30 <phila> close issue-143

Phil Archer: close ISSUE-143

13:38:30 <trackbot> Closed issue-143.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-143.

13:38:36 <annette_g> * PROPOSED: that we get coffee

Annette Greiner: * PROPOSED: that we get coffee

13:38:42 <cgueret_> +1 annette_g

Christophe Gueret: +1 annette_g

13:38:45 <ericstephan> +1 its just a plus one kind of day

+1 its just a plus one kind of day

13:38:45 <phila> Which leaves Issues 62 and 63 for after coffee

Phil Archer: Which leaves Issues 62 and 63 for after coffee

13:38:46 <yaso> +1 to annette_g

Yaso Córdova: +1 to annette_g

13:38:52 <Sumit_Purohit> coffee break time NOW...

Sumit Purohit: coffee break time NOW...

13:39:05 <Sumit_Purohit> 20 min  break

Sumit Purohit: 20 min break

13:39:12 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman

13:39:24 <phila> Thanks Christophe

Phil Archer: Thanks Christophe

13:39:34 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes

13:39:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila

13:40:23 <phila> zakim, list participants

Phil Archer: zakim, list participants

13:40:23 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been [IPcaller], HadleyBeeman, phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni, makx, cgueret, cgueret_

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been [IPcaller], HadleyBeeman, phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni, makx, cgueret, cgueret_

13:40:30 <Zakim> -cgueret_

Zakim IRC Bot: -cgueret_

13:40:35 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes

13:40:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila

13:41:13 <phila> zakim, ipcaller is Austin

Phil Archer: zakim, ipcaller is Austin

13:41:13 <Zakim> +Austin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Austin; got it

13:41:59 <phila> zakim, Austin has Bernadette, Caroline, Eric S, Flavio, Gisele, Laufer, Newton, Sumit, Yaso

Phil Archer: zakim, Austin has Bernadette, Caroline, Eric S, Flavio, Gisele, Laufer, Newton, Sumit, Yaso

13:41:59 <Zakim> +Bernadette, Caroline, Eric, S, Flavio, Gisele, Laufer, Newton, Sumit, Yaso; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Bernadette, Caroline, Eric, S, Flavio, Gisele, Laufer, Newton, Sumit, Yaso; got it

13:42:11 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes

13:42:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila

13:42:26 <Zakim> -Austin

Scribe problem: the name 'Austin' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Zakim IRC Bot: -Austin

13:42:40 <phila> zakim, list participants

Phil Archer: zakim, list participants

13:42:40 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been HadleyBeeman, phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni, makx, cgueret, cgueret_, Bernadette, Caroline, Eric, S, Flavio, Gisele, Laufer, Newton,

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been HadleyBeeman, phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni, makx, cgueret, cgueret_, Bernadette, Caroline, Eric, S, Flavio, Gisele, Laufer, Newton,

13:42:43 <Zakim> ... Sumit, Yaso

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Sumit, Yaso

13:42:50 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes

13:42:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila

13:59:27 <NewtonCalegari> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g4vna23i4mz4l6doovo34sysm4a

Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

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Unknown NewtonCalegari: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g4vna23i4mz4l6doovo34sysm4a

13:59:37 <deirdrelee> Hi, welcome back

Deirdre Lee: Hi, welcome back

14:01:50 <Caroline> Hello! :)

Caroline Burle: Hello! :)

14:02:29 <deirdrelee> Let's get started guys & gals...

Deirdre Lee: Let's get started guys & gals...

14:03:47 <NewtonCalegari> Austin is calling

Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown NewtonCalegari: Austin is calling

14:04:02 <deirdrelee> cool

Deirdre Lee: cool

14:04:09 <yaso> dialing again

Yaso Córdova: dialing again

14:04:30 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:04:45 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?

Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is here?

14:04:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ipswich, [IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ipswich, [IPcaller]

14:04:47 <Zakim> Ipswich has phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni

Zakim IRC Bot: Ipswich has phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni

14:04:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see annette_g, Caroline, flavio, yaso, phila, Sumit_Purohit, GiselePappa, BernadetteLoscio_, NewtonCalegari, laufer, ericstephan, makx, deirdrelee, Zakim, RRSAgent,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see annette_g, Caroline, flavio, yaso, phila, Sumit_Purohit, GiselePappa, BernadetteLoscio_, NewtonCalegari, laufer, ericstephan, makx, deirdrelee, Zakim, RRSAgent,

14:04:47 <Zakim> ... riccardoAlbertoni, rhiaro, hadleybeeman, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... riccardoAlbertoni, rhiaro, hadleybeeman, trackbot

14:05:16 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman

14:06:43 <Zakim> +riccardoAlbertoni

Zakim IRC Bot: +riccardoAlbertoni

14:06:53 <Caroline> scribe: Caroline

(Scribe set to Caroline Burle)

14:07:13 <deirdrelee> issue-62?

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-62?

14:07:13 <trackbot> issue-62 -- What info is given when dereferencing a persistent identifier after the resource has been removed/archived -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-62 -- What info is given when dereferencing a persistent identifier after the resource has been removed/archived -- open

14:07:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/62

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/62

14:07:16 <deirdrelee> issue-63?

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-63?

14:07:16 <trackbot> issue-63 -- If a resource is archived, is the correct response 410, 303 or something else? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-63 -- If a resource is archived, is the correct response 410, 303 or something else? -- open

14:07:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/63

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/63

14:07:35 <phila> q+ to make a suggestion

Phil Archer: q+ to make a suggestion

14:07:41 <phila> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

14:07:41 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to make a suggestion

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to make a suggestion

14:07:46 <Caroline> deirdrelee: sorry, I couldn't hear you

Deirdre Lee: sorry, I couldn't hear you

14:08:10 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?

Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is here?

14:08:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ipswich, [IPcaller], HadleyBeeman, riccardoAlbertoni

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ipswich, [IPcaller], HadleyBeeman, riccardoAlbertoni

14:08:12 <Zakim> Ipswich has phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni

Zakim IRC Bot: Ipswich has phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni

14:08:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see annette_g, Caroline, flavio, yaso, phila, Sumit_Purohit, GiselePappa, BernadetteLoscio_, NewtonCalegari, laufer, ericstephan, makx, deirdrelee, Zakim, RRSAgent,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see annette_g, Caroline, flavio, yaso, phila, Sumit_Purohit, GiselePappa, BernadetteLoscio_, NewtonCalegari, laufer, ericstephan, makx, deirdrelee, Zakim, RRSAgent,

14:08:12 <Zakim> ... riccardoAlbertoni, rhiaro, hadleybeeman, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... riccardoAlbertoni, rhiaro, hadleybeeman, trackbot

14:08:17 <Caroline> yes

yes

14:08:20 <Caroline> thank you1

thank you1

14:08:48 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

14:09:14 <phila> ack ericstephan

Phil Archer: ack ericstephan

14:09:17 <Caroline> sorry, phila please write down this

sorry, phila please write down this

14:09:58 <Caroline> ericstephan: when you take something offline but it still there

Eric Stephan: when you take something offline but it still there

14:10:09 <Caroline> .... somehow is not available

.... somehow is not available

14:10:16 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

14:10:24 <yaso> I think we should presume that data can always be back to online environments

Yaso Córdova: I think we should presume that data can always be back to online environments

14:10:26 <Caroline> phila, please talk not so close of the mic

phila, please talk not so close of the mic

14:10:42 <deirdrelee> ack laufer

Deirdre Lee: ack laufer

14:10:54 <Zakim> -riccardoAlbertoni

Zakim IRC Bot: -riccardoAlbertoni

14:11:05 <Caroline> laufer: issue 63, are we going to describe what archive on th web is?

Carlos Laufer: ISSUE-63, are we going to describe what archive on th web is?

14:11:09 <phila> phila: I was saying that it's very context dependent. If the URI always pointed to a landing page then update the landing page. If the URI pointed to the data, make it a 303 to a page giving info about the data and how to get it. basic rule - don't just delete and leave us with a 404

Phil Archer: I was saying that it's very context dependent. If the URI always pointed to a landing page then update the landing page. If the URI pointed to the data, make it a 303 to a page giving info about the data and how to get it. basic rule - don't just delete and leave us with a 404 [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

14:11:18 <Caroline> ... is that on our scope?

... is that on our scope?

14:11:33 <Caroline> phila: we are not archiving on the web

Phil Archer: we are not archiving on the web

14:11:57 <yaso> +1 to phila

Yaso Córdova: +1 to phila

14:12:01 <Caroline> deirdrelee: we are talking about what happen with the identifier

Deirdre Lee: we are talking about what happen with the identifier

14:12:15 <Caroline> laufer: to me seems that we have a broken link

Carlos Laufer: to me seems that we have a broken link

14:12:16 <ericstephan> Its fine tuning conditions rather than a boolean 404

Eric Stephan: Its fine tuning conditions rather than a boolean 404

14:12:23 <annette_g> q+ to ask if this issue is specific to data on the web

Annette Greiner: q+ to ask if this issue is specific to data on the web

14:12:25 <Caroline> deirdrelee: it is not necessarly a broken link

Deirdre Lee: it is not necessarly a broken link

14:12:42 <Caroline> laufer: if I archive something it does mean the linke would be broken?

Carlos Laufer: if I archive something it does mean the linke would be broken?

14:12:46 <ericstephan> Yes it would be broken, but it would have an explanation

Eric Stephan: Yes it would be broken, but it would have an explanation

14:12:47 <phila> phila:  I want to avoid broken links, even if the data has been removd

Phil Archer: I want to avoid broken links, even if the data has been removd [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

14:13:08 <Caroline> +1 to phila

+1 to phila

14:13:22 <Caroline> annette_g: maybe this issue is out of scope

Annette Greiner: maybe this issue is out of scope

14:13:42 <deirdrelee>  ack annette_g

Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g

14:13:42 <Zakim> annette_g, you wanted to ask if this issue is specific to data on the web

Zakim IRC Bot: annette_g, you wanted to ask if this issue is specific to data on the web

14:13:42 <ericstephan> +1 phila

Eric Stephan: +1 phila

14:13:47 <Caroline> ... maybe talking about momento would be ok

... maybe talking about memento would be ok

14:13:55 <phila> annette_g: It may be reasonable to talk about memento in this context too

Annette Greiner: It may be reasonable to talk about memento in this context too [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

14:14:20 <NewtonCalegari> s/momento/memento
14:14:42 <Caroline> phila: I think is about the ??

Phil Archer: I think is about the ??

14:14:46 <ericstephan> it would seem like more of a warning condition as opposed to a fatal error.

Eric Stephan: it would seem like more of a warning condition as opposed to a fatal error.

14:15:02 <Caroline> annette_g: it is too specific data

Annette Greiner: is it specific to data?

14:15:15 <phila> phila: I think Memento only applies if you have dated data available. I think we're talking about removing data altogether and what happens to the identifier

Phil Archer: I think Memento only applies if you have dated data available. I think we're talking about removing data altogether and what happens to the identifier [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

14:15:22 <ericstephan> good point hadleybeeman

Eric Stephan: good point hadleybeeman

14:15:28 <annette_g> s/it is too specific data/is it specific to data?
14:15:47 <Caroline> deirdrelee, I can't understand, sorry

deirdrelee, I can't understand, sorry

14:15:56 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

14:16:00 <phila> phila: Persistent identifiers don't die, only what they identify

Phil Archer: Persistent identifiers don't die, only what they identify [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

14:16:02 <Caroline> maybe if deirdrelee talk not so close to the mic

maybe if deirdrelee talk not so close to the mic

14:16:20 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

14:16:27 <phila> ack laufer

Phil Archer: ack laufer

14:16:35 <Caroline> deirdrelee: archiving is out of scope?

Deirdre Lee: archiving is out of scope?

14:16:36 <deirdrelee> ack laufer

Deirdre Lee: ack laufer

14:17:12 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: is addressing how identifiers on the Web are handled after a data resource is no longer on the web in scope?

Deirdre Lee: is addressing how identifiers on the Web are handled after a data resource is no longer on the web in scope? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

14:17:14 <phila> q+ to offer to write a BP on the topic

Phil Archer: q+ to offer to write a BP on the topic

14:17:19 <ericstephan> error handling bp?

Eric Stephan: error handling bp?

14:17:29 <Caroline> laufer: I don't know if we should have a BP to data being archived

Carlos Laufer: I don't know if we should have a BP to data being archived

14:17:41 <Sumit_Purohit> q+

Sumit Purohit: q+

14:17:50 <phila> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

14:17:50 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to offer to write a BP on the topic

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to offer to write a BP on the topic

14:17:50 <Caroline> laufer: I don't know how this would be resolved

Carlos Laufer: I don't know how this would be resolved

14:18:10 <Caroline> phila: we arre not talking about data archiving, but about consistence

Phil Archer: we are not talking about data archiving, but about consistence

14:18:28 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/arre/are
14:18:29 <hadleybeeman> I would assume that a request for archived data would return a 410... is that just me?

Hadley Beeman: I would assume that a request for archived data would return a 410... is that just me?

14:18:30 <deirdrelee> ack Sumit_Purohit

Deirdre Lee: ack Sumit_Purohit

14:19:09 <phila> phila: Yes, Sumit, that's what we should do

Phil Archer: Yes, Sumit, that's what we should do [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

14:19:13 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

14:19:14 <phila> (I think)

Phil Archer: (I think)

14:19:15 <ericstephan> +1 Sumit_Purohit

Eric Stephan: +1 Sumit_Purohit

14:19:19 <Caroline> Sumit_Purohit: for a BP, if we can explain what had happen to that data in a common sense, instead of saying that data existed it might be more useful

Sumit Purohit: for a BP, if we can explain what had happen to that data in a common sense, instead of saying that data existed it might be more useful

14:19:36 <Caroline> ... data has been moved or has been removed for some reason

... data has been moved or has been removed for some reason

14:19:38 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

14:19:45 <phila> ack annette_g

Phil Archer: ack annette_g

14:19:46 <ericstephan> give a chance to do real exception handling

Eric Stephan: give a chance to do real exception handling

14:19:50 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

14:19:57 <Caroline> annette_g: thinking about what Sumit_Purohit said

Annette Greiner: thinking about what Sumit_Purohit said

14:20:15 <Caroline> ... it should be understanded by a machine as well as humen

... it should be understanded by a machine as well as human

14:20:20 <Caroline> s/humen/human
14:20:26 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

14:20:31 <hadleybeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

14:20:34 <Caroline> ...maybe it is up to us to point somehting

...maybe it is up to us to point something

14:20:51 <Caroline> laufer: for me is the same comment to indicate information not only to humans

Carlos Laufer: for me is the same comment to indicate information not only to humans

14:20:59 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/somehting/something
14:21:05 <Zakim> +??P3

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3

14:21:15 <makx> zakim, ??p3 is me

Makx Dekkers: zakim, ??p3 is me

14:21:15 <Zakim> +makx; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +makx; got it

14:21:15 <Caroline> ... how do people do it today? They put a message saying that page is not here anymore

... how do people do it today? They put a message saying that page is not here anymore

14:21:23 <Caroline> ... is there a standard for that?

... is there a standard for that?

14:22:02 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan

Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan

14:22:06 <deirdrelee> ack laufer

Deirdre Lee: ack laufer

14:22:09 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee

Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee

14:22:11 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

14:22:38 <Caroline> ericstephan: this might be an opportunity to the data vocabulary to provide an explanation

Eric Stephan: this might be an opportunity to the data vocabulary to provide an explanation

14:22:52 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

14:22:56 <Caroline> ... the data usage vocabulary coujld provide an exaplation for this

... the data usage vocabulary could provide an exaplation for this

14:23:02 <deirdrelee> Draft Proposal: Close issue 62 and 63,  Action for Phil to write BP on topic of what happens to identifiers after data resource is no longer online (e.g. through archiving). WG will then decide if this should be included in BP doc, and if it is, should it be  separate BP or merged with another BP

Deirdre Lee: Draft Proposal: Close ISSUE-62 and 63, Action for Phil to write BP on topic of what happens to identifiers after data resource is no longer online (e.g. through archiving). WG will then decide if this should be included in BP doc, and if it is, should it be separate BP or merged with another BP

14:23:08 <deirdrelee> ack h

Deirdre Lee: ack h

14:23:16 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/coujld/could
14:23:32 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee

Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee

14:23:35 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g

Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g

14:23:52 <Caroline> annette_g: I think this is more of a publisher side than a user side

Annette Greiner: I think this is more of a publisher side than a user side

14:24:00 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

14:24:02 <hadleybeeman> +1 to annette_g!!

Hadley Beeman: +1 to annette_g!!

14:24:03 <Caroline> ... it could be on the BP document

... it could be on the BP document

14:24:06 <hadleybeeman> That's what I was going to say. :)

Hadley Beeman: That's what I was going to say. :)

14:24:16 <laufer> I think that someone could have no more access to some data even if it is online

Carlos Laufer: I think that someone could have no more access to some data even if it is online

14:24:27 <phila> q+ To talk about possible new status (ADMS-like)

Phil Archer: q+ To talk about possible new status (ADMS-like)

14:24:36 <laufer> because, perhaps, now it is necessary to pay for it, for example

Carlos Laufer: because, perhaps, now it is necessary to pay for it, for example

14:24:39 <Caroline> ... we could use the code 401 for something that has been removed

... we could use the code 410 for something that has been removed

14:24:41 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan

Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan

14:24:49 <hadleybeeman> s/401/410
14:24:58 <annette_g> * 410 is "gone"

Annette Greiner: * 410 is "gone"

14:25:10 <Caroline> ericstephan: the way we are looking to the data usage vocabulary is that some useful information should be there

Eric Stephan: the way we are looking to the data usage vocabulary is that some useful information should be there

14:25:20 <Caroline> ... we can debate it this afternoon

... we can debate it this afternoon

14:25:44 <Caroline> ... to me giving the information about what is going on

... to me giving the information about what is going on

14:25:47 <hadleybeeman> q?

Hadley Beeman: q?

14:25:51 <hadleybeeman> zakim, close the queue

Hadley Beeman: zakim, close the queue

14:25:51 <Zakim> ok, hadleybeeman, the speaker queue is closed

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, hadleybeeman, the speaker queue is closed

14:26:00 <phila> q-

Phil Archer: q-

14:26:00 <Caroline> deirdrelee: we can discuss it this afternoon

Deirdre Lee: we can discuss it this afternoon

14:26:31 <phila> PROPOSED: Close issue 62 and 63,  Action for Phil to write BP on topic of what happens to identifiers after data resource is no longer online (e.g. through archiving). WG will then decide if this should be included in BP doc, and if it is, should it be  separate BP or merged with another BP

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-62 and 63, Action for Phil to write BP on topic of what happens to identifiers after data resource is no longer online (e.g. through archiving). WG will then decide if this should be included in BP doc, and if it is, should it be separate BP or merged with another BP

14:26:46 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

14:26:53 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

14:26:55 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

14:27:00 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

14:27:03 <Caroline> +1

+1

14:27:04 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

14:27:18 <hadleybeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

14:27:20 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

14:27:35 <phila> RESOLVED: Close issue 62 and 63,  Action for Phil to write BP on topic of what happens to identifiers after data resource is no longer online (e.g. through archiving). WG will then decide if this should be included in BP doc, and if it is, should it be  separate BP or merged with another BP

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-62 and 63, Action for Phil to write BP on topic of what happens to identifiers after data resource is no longer online (e.g. through archiving). WG will then decide if this should be included in BP doc, and if it is, should it be separate BP or merged with another BP

14:27:35 <BernadetteLoscio_> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

14:27:43 <phila> CLOSE ISSUE-62

Phil Archer: CLOSE ISSUE-62

14:27:43 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-62.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-62.

14:27:43 <trackbot_> Closed ISSUE-62.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-62.

14:27:49 <phila> close issue-63

Phil Archer: close ISSUE-63

14:27:49 <trackbot_> Closed issue-63.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-63.

14:27:49 <trackbot> Closed issue-63.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-63.

14:27:56 <hadleybeeman> rrsagent, pointer?

Hadley Beeman: rrsagent, pointer?

14:27:56 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-irc#T14-27-56

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-irc#T14-27-56

14:28:06 <ericstephan> set up another round again, ever forward!

Eric Stephan: set up another round again, ever forward!

14:28:12 <hadleybeeman> :)

Hadley Beeman: :)

14:28:19 <Caroline> deirdrelee: issue number 137

Deirdre Lee: issue number 137

14:28:26 <phila> Topic: The Right to privacy, Issue-137

3. The Right to privacy, ISSUE-137

14:28:34 <phila> issue-137?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-137?

14:28:34 <trackbot> issue-137 -- Review BP Preserve person's right to privacy -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-137 -- Review BP Preserve person's right to privacy -- open

14:28:34 <trackbot_> issue-137 -- Review BP Preserve person's right to privacy -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-137 -- Review BP Preserve person's right to privacy -- open

14:28:34 <trackbot_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/137

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/137

14:28:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/137

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/137

14:28:44 <Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/137

https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/137

14:28:50 <hadleybeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

14:28:56 <hadleybeeman> zakim, open the queue

Hadley Beeman: zakim, open the queue

14:28:56 <Zakim> ok, hadleybeeman, the speaker queue is open

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, hadleybeeman, the speaker queue is open

14:28:57 <Caroline> deirdrelee: maybe changing the text

Deirdre Lee: maybe changing the text

14:28:58 <hadleybeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

14:29:05 <phila> ack hadleybeeman

Phil Archer: ack hadleybeeman

14:29:16 <deirdrelee> Action: phila to write BP on topic of what happens to identifiers after data resource is no longer online (e.g. through archiving). WG will then decide if this should be included in BP doc, and if it is, should it be  separate BP or merged with another BP

ACTION: phila to write BP on topic of what happens to identifiers after data resource is no longer online (e.g. through archiving). WG will then decide if this should be included in BP doc, and if it is, should it be separate BP or merged with another BP

14:29:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-161 - Write bp on topic of what happens to identifiers after data resource is no longer online (e.g. through archiving). wg will then decide if this should be included in bp doc, and if it is, should it be  separate bp or merged with another bp [on Phil Archer - due 2015-04-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-161 - Write bp on topic of what happens to identifiers after data resource is no longer online (e.g. through archiving). wg will then decide if this should be included in bp doc, and if it is, should it be separate bp or merged with another bp [on Phil Archer - due 2015-04-21].

14:29:18 <trackbot_> Created ACTION-162 - Write bp on topic of what happens to identifiers after data resource is no longer online (e.g. through archiving). wg will then decide if this should be included in bp doc, and if it is, should it be  separate bp or merged with another bp [on Phil Archer - due 2015-04-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-162 - Write bp on topic of what happens to identifiers after data resource is no longer online (e.g. through archiving). wg will then decide if this should be included in bp doc, and if it is, should it be separate bp or merged with another bp [on Phil Archer - due 2015-04-21].

14:29:33 <Caroline> hadleybeeman: I have trouble with this one because is so country specific and culture specific, there is no easy way to make it global

Hadley Beeman: I have trouble with this one because is so country specific and culture specific, there is no easy way to make it global

14:29:54 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

14:30:00 <ericstephan> really good points hadleybeeman

Eric Stephan: really good points hadleybeeman

14:30:07 <Caroline> ... it is very dificult to deal with the fact the data should deal with so many jurisdiction and it is so close to legal laws

... it is very dificult to deal with the fact the data should deal with so many jurisdiction and it is so close to legal laws

14:30:11 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

14:30:12 <Caroline> +1 to hadleybeeman

+1 to hadleybeeman

14:30:12 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

14:30:15 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to hadleybeeman

Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to hadleybeeman

14:30:30 <hadleybeeman> The topic is too close to us giving legal advice, which isn't in scope for us.

Hadley Beeman: The topic is too close to us giving legal advice, which isn't in scope for us.

14:30:35 <yaso> +1 to annette_g

Yaso Córdova: +1 to annette_g

14:30:53 <deirdrelee> BP: http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy

Scribe problem: the name 'BP' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown BP: http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

14:31:08 <ericstephan> +1 that's the approach companies, orgs use (security plans)

Eric Stephan: +1 that's the approach companies, orgs use (security plans)

14:31:10 <Caroline> annette_g: the BP 19

Annette Greiner: the BP 19

14:31:11 <hadleybeeman> q+ to comment that I don't think this is technical

Hadley Beeman: q+ to comment that I don't think this is technical

14:31:11 <ericstephan> q-

Eric Stephan: q-

14:31:24 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g

Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g

14:31:29 <Caroline> ... it helps people who are more familiarized with the data other than us

... it helps people who are more familiarized with the data other than us

14:31:30 <phila> ack h

Phil Archer: ack h

14:31:30 <Zakim> hadleybeeman, you wanted to comment that I don't think this is technical

Zakim IRC Bot: hadleybeeman, you wanted to comment that I don't think this is technical

14:31:52 <ericstephan> have we got any advice from the privacy interest group?

Eric Stephan: have we got any advice from the privacy interest group?

14:31:57 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

14:32:04 <Caroline> hadleybeeman: I am not sure is technical enough to be in the scope here

Hadley Beeman: I am not sure is technical enough to be in the scope here

14:32:07 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g

Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g

14:32:18 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

14:32:28 <Caroline> annette_g: It might help people how to deal with this

Annette Greiner: It might help people how to deal with this

14:32:38 <Caroline> ... if we could give them some guidance

... if we could give them some guidance

14:32:39 <Caroline> q+

q+

14:32:44 <hadleybeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

14:32:53 <phila> q+ to support Hadley's point

Phil Archer: q+ to support Hadley's point

14:33:10 <Caroline> ... focusing on how they might do a security plan

... focusing on how they might do a security plan

14:33:21 <Caroline> right now the title is very general

right now the title is very general

14:33:30 <hadleybeeman> q- later

Hadley Beeman: q- later

14:33:36 <Caroline> ... it could explain how a security plan would be

... it could explain how a security plan would be

14:33:48 <Caroline> ericstephan: in the commercial industry there are so many approaches

Eric Stephan: in the commercial industry there are so many approaches

14:34:05 <Caroline> ... something that is fine with one kind is not with another

... something that is fine with one kind is not with another

14:34:15 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan

Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan

14:34:17 <deirdrelee> ack Caroline

Deirdre Lee: ack Caroline

14:35:11 <ericstephan> +1 to Caroline as a footnote bp

Eric Stephan: +1 to Caroline as a footnote bp

14:35:24 <phila> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

14:35:24 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to support Hadley's point

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to support Hadley's point

14:35:29 <Caroline> Caroline: proposal to put this as a note (footnote)

Caroline Burle: proposal to put this as a note (footnote)

14:35:47 <phila> -> http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/bp/cas/ Share-PSI

Phil Archer: -> http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/bp/cas/ Share-PSI

14:35:51 <hadleybeeman> phila: When were in TPAC, Hadley made similar comments about some of the proposed best practices then. Though it has caused me pain since then, she's right.

Phil Archer: When were in TPAC, Hadley made similar comments about some of the proposed best practices then. Though it has caused me pain since then, she's right. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

14:35:59 <ericstephan> +1 phila->hadleybeeman (pointer reference)

Eric Stephan: +1 phila->hadleybeeman (pointer reference)

14:36:19 <hadleybeeman> ... That is a link to a best practice that could have been in our document except that we agreed we were only doing technical matters, not policy matters.

Hadley Beeman: ... That is a link to a best practice that could have been in our document except that we agreed we were only doing technical matters, not policy matters.

14:36:44 <makx> +1 to phil

Makx Dekkers: +1 to phil

14:36:44 <hadleybeeman> ...This BP says "security plan". We ruled lots of things out of scope because they were too policy oriented, and to be consistent we should remove this one too.

Hadley Beeman: ...This BP says "security plan". We ruled lots of things out of scope because they were too policy oriented, and to be consistent we should remove this one too.

14:36:48 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

14:37:09 <hadleybeeman> q?

Hadley Beeman: q?

14:37:22 <deirdrelee> ack hadleybeeman

Deirdre Lee: ack hadleybeeman

14:37:31 <Caroline> hadleybeeman: I agree with phila and Caroline

Hadley Beeman: I agree with phila and Caroline

14:37:39 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan

Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan

14:37:51 <Caroline> ericstephan: we have talked about that the BP needs to be dataset center

Eric Stephan: we have talked about that the BP needs to be dataset centered

14:37:59 <hadleybeeman> s/center/centered
14:38:07 <Caroline> ... this would be an interesting note, but it is not dataset centered

... this would be an interesting note, but it is not dataset centered

14:38:15 <Caroline> ... I would take it out

... I would take it out

14:38:18 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

14:38:27 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g

Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g

14:38:28 <phila> Draft proposal - that http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy be deleted, however, reference to the importance of preserviving privacy should be included in the introductory material in the context of the overall policy in which data is made available.

Phil Archer: Draft proposal - that http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy be deleted, however, reference to the importance of preserviving privacy should be included in the introductory material in the context of the overall policy in which data is made available.

14:38:34 <Caroline> annette_g: I respectly desagree.

Annette Greiner: I respectly desagree.

14:39:00 <Caroline> ... I think it is dataset centered. I think the data publishers in general have to deal with a lot

... I think it is dataset centered. I think the data publishers in general have to deal with a lot

14:39:09 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

14:39:10 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

14:39:14 <hadleybeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

14:39:15 <phila> ack deirdrelee

Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee

14:39:16 <Caroline> ... I think it is more an issue for publishing data than publishing other formats on the web

... I think it is more an issue for publishing data than publishing other formats on the web

14:39:22 <Caroline> deirdrelee: I tend to agree with annette_g

Deirdre Lee: I tend to agree with annette_g

14:39:37 <Caroline> ... it might not be as tecnhical centered as others, but it has to be considered

... it might not be as tecnhical centered as others, but it has to be considered

14:39:48 <Caroline> ... it doesn't have to be a BP

... it doesn't have to be a BP

14:39:52 <phila> ack laufer

Phil Archer: ack laufer

14:39:56 <Caroline> ... but it should be on the BP document

... but it should be on the BP document

14:39:57 <ericstephan> I understand your point annette_g, but I still don't want it to be a BP

Eric Stephan: I understand your point annette_g, but I still don't want it to be a BP

14:40:15 <Caroline> laufer: I thinking that privacy is one of the things that can control the access to data

Carlos Laufer: I thinking that privacy is one of the things that can control the access to data

14:40:27 <Caroline> ... we have other things that can control access to data

... we have other things that can control access to data

14:40:36 <Caroline> ... maybe we are talking about control of access

... maybe we are talking about control of access

14:40:46 <Caroline> q+

q+

14:40:53 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

14:41:15 <Caroline> ... I don't konw if we are talking about access of data and privacy is one of them

... I don't konw if we are talking about access of data and privacy is one of them

14:41:18 <phila> ack h

Phil Archer: ack h

14:41:21 <hadleybeeman> "Intended Outcome:  Data that can identify an individual person must not be published without their consent."

Hadley Beeman: "Intended Outcome: Data that can identify an individual person must not be published without their consent."

14:41:28 <deirdrelee> q+ to talk about data access and classification

Deirdre Lee: q+ to talk about data access and classification

14:41:35 <Caroline> +1 to hadleybeeman

+1 to hadleybeeman

14:42:18 <Caroline> hadleybeeman: I don't see a way to give any kind of guidance without getting into a legal trouble

Hadley Beeman: I don't see a way to give any kind of guidance without getting into a legal trouble

14:42:28 <annette_g> +1 to hadley

Annette Greiner: +1 to hadley

14:42:42 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

14:42:55 <phila> ack Caroline

Phil Archer: ack Caroline

14:43:13 <hadleybeeman> caroline: What are we proposing?

Caroline Burle: What are we proposing? [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

14:43:33 <deirdrelee> Draft proposal - that http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy be deleted, however, reference to the importance of preserviving privacy should be included in the introductory material in the context of the overall policy in which data is made available.

Deirdre Lee: Draft proposal - that http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy be deleted, however, reference to the importance of preserviving privacy should be included in the introductory material in the context of the overall policy in which data is made available.

14:43:36 <hadleybeeman> ...I think "Intended Outcome:  Data that can identify an individual person must not be published without their consent." is very clear

Hadley Beeman: ...I think "Intended Outcome: Data that can identify an individual person must not be published without their consent." is very clear

14:43:56 <Caroline> Caroline: what is hadleybeeman proposal?

Caroline Burle: what is hadleybeeman proposal?

14:43:58 <hadleybeeman> ...The question should be: should we keep it or not?

Hadley Beeman: ...The question should be: should we keep it or not?

14:44:11 <Caroline> ... should we keep the section 8.5 on the BP document?

... should we keep the section 8.5 on the BP document?

14:44:20 <makx> +000000000000000000000.

Makx Dekkers: +000000000000000000000.

14:44:33 <annette_g> -1

Annette Greiner: -1

14:45:01 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

14:45:04 <phila> zakim, close queue

Phil Archer: zakim, close queue

14:45:04 <Zakim> ok, phila, the speaker queue is closed

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, phila, the speaker queue is closed

14:45:05 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

14:45:16 <phila> zakim, open queue

Phil Archer: zakim, open queue

14:45:16 <Zakim> ok, phila, the speaker queue is open

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, phila, the speaker queue is open

14:45:20 <phila> q+ BernadetteLoscio_

Phil Archer: q+ BernadetteLoscio_

14:45:24 <phila> zakim, close queue

Phil Archer: zakim, close queue

14:45:24 <Zakim> ok, phila, the speaker queue is closed

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, phila, the speaker queue is closed

14:45:32 <Caroline> phila: we would have to remove 2 BP (19 and 20)

Phil Archer: we would have to remove 2 BP (19 and 20)

14:45:43 <Caroline> Zakim, open the speaker queue

Zakim, open the speaker queue

14:45:43 <Zakim> I don't understand 'open the speaker queue', Caroline

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'open the speaker queue', Caroline

14:46:16 <Caroline> ericstephan: I am wondering if we deduce security, somethings might be available or not

Eric Stephan: I am wondering if we deduce security, somethings might be available or not

14:46:39 <Caroline> ... this data isn't availabe. Maybe we can provide an explanation or not

... this data isn't availabe. Maybe we can provide an explanation or not

14:46:51 <deirdrelee> q-

Deirdre Lee: q-

14:46:55 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan

Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan

14:47:09 <phila> ack annette_g

Phil Archer: ack annette_g

14:47:09 <Caroline> ... instead of security plan, it can envolve all about puting the data on the web

... instead of security plan, it can envolve all about puting the data on the web

14:47:22 <Caroline> annette_g: I agree that is dangerous to propose specif rules

Annette Greiner: I agree that is dangerous to propose specif rules

14:47:46 <Caroline> ... I think it is important to mention this issue

... I think it is important to mention this issue

14:47:59 <Caroline> ... I think it might help the web to be a better place to publish

... I think it might help the web to be a better place to publish

14:48:11 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio_

Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio_

14:48:14 <annette_g> annette_g:

Annette Greiner: [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

14:48:24 <ericstephan> +1 BernadetteLoscio_

Eric Stephan: +1 BernadetteLoscio_

14:48:31 <annette_g> annette_g: that's why I propose we suggest publishers make a plan

Annette Greiner: that's why I propose we suggest publishers make a plan [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ]

14:48:34 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio_: I think it we are going to remove the BP 19, we would have to review the entire section

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think it we are going to remove the BP 19, we would have to review the entire section

14:48:59 <ericstephan> By +1 I mean revisit, to see what to do

Eric Stephan: By +1 I mean revisit, to see what to do

14:49:00 <Caroline> ... I am not against to remove the BP 19, but then we would have to review the BP 20 and discuss what to do with it

... I am not against to remove the BP 19, but then we would have to review the BP 20 and discuss what to do with it

14:49:07 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: that http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy be deleted, however, reference to the importance of preserviving privacy should be included in the introductory material in the context of the overall policy in which data is made available.

PROPOSED: that http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy be deleted, however, reference to the importance of preserviving privacy should be included in the introductory material in the context of the overall policy in which data is made available.

14:49:19 <hadleybeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

14:49:30 <annette_g> -10

Annette Greiner: -10

14:49:42 <deirdrelee> -1

Deirdre Lee: -1

14:49:52 <laufer> the proposal is to revise...

Carlos Laufer: the proposal is to revise...

14:49:53 <makx> +1 to deleting and mention in introduction

Makx Dekkers: +1 to deleting and mention in introduction

14:49:54 <phila> I don't want to delete the BP about unavailability reference

Phil Archer: I don't want to delete the BP about unavailability reference

14:49:56 <yaso> -1

Yaso Córdova: -1

14:49:57 <Caroline> -1

-1

14:50:10 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

14:50:38 <ericstephan> annette_g used the nuclear option

Eric Stephan: annette_g used the nuclear option

14:51:04 <Caroline> I think before removing it is important to review it

I think before removing it is important to review it

14:51:13 <Caroline> the entire section

the entire section

14:51:26 <yaso> q+

Yaso Córdova: q+

14:51:34 <deirdrelee> zakim, open queue

Deirdre Lee: zakim, open queue

14:51:34 <Zakim> ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is open

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is open

14:51:51 <Caroline> yaso: I think we should take a look more careful of what means a security plan

Yaso Córdova: I think we should take a look more careful of what means a security plan

14:52:10 <Caroline> ... maybe we can recommend more tecnichal details to recommend on this issue

... maybe we can recommend more technical details to recommend on this issue

14:52:32 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/tecnichal/technical
14:52:59 <Caroline> ... we could split

... we could split

14:53:17 <Caroline> ... there are a lot  of W3C recommendations about privacy

... there are a lot of W3C recommendations about privacy

14:53:20 <hadleybeeman> q+ to respond to Yaso

Hadley Beeman: q+ to respond to Yaso

14:53:26 <Caroline> ... we could remove the word security plan

... we could remove the word security plan

14:53:29 <deirdrelee> ddraft PROPOSal: that http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy should remain, but rephrased so that it does not give any specific recommendations of HOW it should be achieved, e.g. the consent sentence Hadley referenced

Deirdre Lee: ddraft PROPOSal: that http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy should remain, but rephrased so that it does not give any specific recommendations of HOW it should be achieved, e.g. the consent sentence Hadley referenced

14:53:37 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

14:53:40 <deirdrelee> ack hadleybeeman

Deirdre Lee: ack hadleybeeman

14:53:40 <Zakim> hadleybeeman, you wanted to respond to Yaso

Zakim IRC Bot: hadleybeeman, you wanted to respond to Yaso

14:53:42 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

14:54:02 <Caroline> hadleybeeman: I still think we have to be very careful on how we describe the use cases

Hadley Beeman: I still think we have to be very careful on how we describe the use cases

14:54:12 <ericstephan> draft proposal:  that http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy be deleted, and be replaced by BP for sharing datasets and metadata.

Eric Stephan: draft proposal: that http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy be deleted, and be replaced by BP for sharing datasets and metadata.

14:54:21 <Caroline> ... I am not sure we are talking about data individuals

... I am not sure we are talking about data individuals

14:54:24 <phila> ack deirdrelee

Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee

14:55:02 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

14:55:06 <hadleybeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

14:55:24 <laufer> is about of  what different types of consumers could see...

Carlos Laufer: is about of what different types of consumers could see...

14:55:25 <Caroline> deirdrelee: I agree with hadleybeeman

Deirdre Lee: I agree with hadleybeeman

14:55:35 <phila> q+ to ask what the intended outcome will be

Phil Archer: q+ to ask what the intended outcome will be

14:55:43 <phila> ack ericstephan

Phil Archer: ack ericstephan

14:55:44 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan

Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan

14:55:46 <hadleybeeman> q+ to respond to deirdrelee's point about HOW.  I think my worries are more about the "when" and the "why".

Hadley Beeman: q+ to respond to deirdrelee's point about HOW. I think my worries are more about the "when" and the "why".

14:56:18 <Caroline> ericstephan: deirdrelee was saying that this is about the publishers and they would have to figure out about the laws and what is privacy or not

Eric Stephan: deirdrelee was saying that this is about the publishers and they would have to figure out about the laws and what is privacy or not

14:56:34 <Caroline> ... but we should share what should be published or note

... but we should share what should be published or not

14:56:39 <Caroline> s/note/not
14:56:42 <laufer> is about the publishers and the consumers

Carlos Laufer: is about the publishers and the consumers

14:56:52 <Caroline> ... that might be about data and metadata

... that might be about data and metadata

14:57:13 <phila> ack h

Phil Archer: ack h

14:57:13 <Zakim> hadleybeeman, you wanted to respond to deirdrelee's point about HOW.  I think my worries are more about the "when" and the "why".

Zakim IRC Bot: hadleybeeman, you wanted to respond to deirdrelee's point about HOW. I think my worries are more about the "when" and the "why".

14:57:20 <ericstephan> okay sorry if I was off topic deirdrelee

Eric Stephan: okay sorry if I was off topic deirdrelee

14:57:21 <deirdrelee> zakim, close queue

Deirdre Lee: zakim, close queue

14:57:21 <Zakim> ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is closed

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is closed

14:57:23 <Caroline> deirdrelee, I could'nt understand you, sorry

deirdrelee, I could'nt understand you, sorry

14:57:36 <Caroline> hadleybeeman: I have a problem about talking about how

Hadley Beeman: I have a problem about talking about how

14:57:54 <Caroline> ... saying to protect personal data of another people causes legal issues

... saying to protect personal data of another people causes legal issues

14:58:05 <Caroline> ... that feels to me that is out of scope

... that feels to me that is out of scope

14:58:13 <phila> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

14:58:13 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to ask what the intended outcome will be

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to ask what the intended outcome will be

14:58:21 <ericstephan> hadleybeeman +1 yeah for practical advice like https

Eric Stephan: hadleybeeman +1 yeah for practical advice like https

14:58:22 <phila> Data that can identify an individual person must not be published without their consent.

Phil Archer: Data that can identify an individual person must not be published without their consent.

14:58:42 <yaso> So we should make a note and clearly point to somewhere, so that people can find advice about this

Yaso Córdova: So we should make a note and clearly point to somewhere, so that people can find advice about this

14:58:51 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

14:58:59 <Caroline> phila: if we change it, talking about only the tecnhical aspects, what would be the intended BP?

Phil Archer: if we change it, talking about only the tecnhical aspects, what would be the intended BP?

14:59:01 <laufer> this is a world law, phil?

Carlos Laufer: this is a world law, phil?

14:59:25 <Caroline> annette_g: I think the intended outcome is that data would be published with some thoughs about these issues

Annette Greiner: I think the intended outcome is that data would be published with some thoughs about these issues

14:59:34 <Caroline> ... that itself is an important outcome

... that itself is an important outcome

15:00:02 <Caroline> deirdrelee: if we agree to remove the BP and put a note

Deirdre Lee: if we agree to remove the BP and put a note

15:00:16 <Caroline> ... or we could revise the BP

... or we could revise the BP

15:00:28 <ericstephan> could we do both?

Eric Stephan: could we do both?

15:00:38 <Caroline> +1 to ericstephan suggestion

+1 to ericstephan suggestion

15:00:43 <phila> deirdrelee: We have replacing the BP with a footnote (on Hadley) and we have Deirdre and Annette on rewording the BP. Maybe we take those as actions and then decide

Deirdre Lee: We have replacing the BP with a footnote (on Hadley) and we have Deirdre and Annette on rewording the BP. Maybe we take those as actions and then decide [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:00:43 <yaso> I do not agree that this turns in to a footnote, at least I do not agree now...

Yaso Córdova: I do not agree that this turns in to a footnote, at least I do not agree now...

15:00:47 <ericstephan> add a note and make a new and improved BP

Eric Stephan: add a note and make a new and improved BP

15:00:58 <laufer> if the bp depends on local laws a bp in one place could be a bad practice in another place

Carlos Laufer: if the bp depends on local laws a bp in one place could be a bad practice in another place

15:01:00 <annette_g> I'm happy to work on the BP

Annette Greiner: I'm happy to work on the BP

15:01:00 <ericstephan> okay

Eric Stephan: okay

15:01:42 <hadleybeeman> rrsagent, pointer?

Hadley Beeman: rrsagent, pointer?

15:01:42 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-irc#T15-01-42

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-irc#T15-01-42

15:01:51 <Caroline> action to ericstephan and hadleybeeman to review the BP thinking about a footnote

action to ericstephan and hadleybeeman to review the BP thinking about a footnote

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15:01:51 <trackbot> Error finding 'to'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'to'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.

15:02:00 <deirdrelee>  PROPOSED: Action for Hadley & Eric to propose alterantive text if BP is removed. Action for Annetee & Dee to revise BP text if BP remains. Leave Makx's issue open

Deirdre Lee: PROPOSED: Action for Hadley & Eric to propose alterantive text if BP is removed. Action for Annetee & Dee to revise BP text if BP remains. Leave Makx's issue open

15:02:12 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

15:02:12 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

15:02:14 <hadleybeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

15:02:14 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

15:02:15 <flavio_> +1

Flavio Yanai: +1

15:02:15 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

15:02:16 <Caroline> +1

+1

15:02:16 <GiselePappa> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

15:02:17 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

15:02:21 <makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

15:02:21 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

15:02:22 <BernadetteLoscio_> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

15:02:22 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

15:02:23 <Sumit_Purohit> +1

Sumit Purohit: +1

15:02:38 <phila> RESOLVED: Action for Hadley & Eric to propose alterantive text if BP is removed. Action for Annetee & Dee to revise BP text if BP remains. Leave Makx's issue open

RESOLVED: Action for Hadley & Eric to propose alterantive text if BP is removed. Action for Annetee & Dee to revise BP text if BP remains. Leave Makx's issue open

15:02:45 <ericstephan> we are an agreeable bunch today - even dancing around security issues.

Eric Stephan: we are an agreeable bunch today - even dancing around security issues.

15:03:00 <hadleybeeman> :)

Hadley Beeman: :)

15:03:30 <phila> action: hadley to work with Phil to propose text to replace http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy

ACTION: hadley to work with Phil to propose text to replace http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy

15:03:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-163 - Work with phil to propose text to replace http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#preserveprivacy [on Hadley Beeman - due 2015-04-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-163 - Work with phil to propose text to replace http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#preserveprivacy [on Hadley Beeman - due 2015-04-21].

15:03:30 <trackbot_> Created ACTION-164 - Work with phil to propose text to replace http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#preserveprivacy [on Hadley Beeman - due 2015-04-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-164 - Work with phil to propose text to replace http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#preserveprivacy [on Hadley Beeman - due 2015-04-21].

15:03:38 <ericstephan> you were breaking up deirdrelee

Eric Stephan: you were breaking up deirdrelee

15:03:54 <phila> action: annette to work with Dee to propose alternative text for http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy

ACTION: annette to work with Dee to propose alternative text for http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy

15:03:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-166 - Work with dee to propose alternative text for http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#preserveprivacy [on Annette Greiner - due 2015-04-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-166 - Work with dee to propose alternative text for http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#preserveprivacy [on Annette Greiner - due 2015-04-21].

15:03:54 <trackbot_> Created ACTION-165 - Work with dee to propose alternative text for http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#preserveprivacy [on Annette Greiner - due 2015-04-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-165 - Work with dee to propose alternative text for http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#preserveprivacy [on Annette Greiner - due 2015-04-21].

15:03:57 <Caroline> deirdrelee: let's talk about the issues 53, 54 and 93

Deirdre Lee: let's talk about the issues 53, 54 and 93

15:03:57 <ericstephan> we are moving ahead on BP issues, and timeline in the remaining time?

Eric Stephan: we are moving ahead on BP issues, and timeline in the remaining time?

15:04:03 <deirdrelee> issue-53

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-53

15:04:03 <trackbot> issue-53 -- Whether sla is/can be thought of as part of the licence or whether it needs to be pulled out spearately? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-53 -- Whether sla is/can be thought of as part of the licence or whether it needs to be pulled out spearately? -- open

15:04:03 <trackbot_> issue-53 -- Whether sla is/can be thought of as part of the licence or whether it needs to be pulled out spearately? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-53 -- Whether sla is/can be thought of as part of the licence or whether it needs to be pulled out spearately? -- open

15:04:03 <trackbot_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/53

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/53

15:04:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/53

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/53

15:04:07 <deirdrelee> issue-54

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-54

15:04:07 <trackbot_> issue-54 -- The term "sla" is vague, undefined, and may not actually represent an agreement between the publisher and reuser -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-54 -- The term "sla" is vague, undefined, and may not actually represent an agreement between the publisher and reuser -- open

15:04:07 <trackbot> issue-54 -- The term "sla" is vague, undefined, and may not actually represent an agreement between the publisher and reuser -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-54 -- The term "sla" is vague, undefined, and may not actually represent an agreement between the publisher and reuser -- open

15:04:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/54

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/54

15:04:07 <trackbot_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/54

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/54

15:04:08 <phila> Topic: SLAs

4. SLAs

15:04:15 <deirdrelee> issue-93

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-93

15:04:15 <trackbot> issue-93 -- Free Open Data SLAs for Open Data publishing -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-93 -- Free Open Data SLAs for Open Data publishing -- open

15:04:15 <trackbot_> issue-93 -- Free Open Data SLAs for Open Data publishing -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-93 -- Free Open Data SLAs for Open Data publishing -- open

15:04:15 <trackbot_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/93

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/93

15:04:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/93

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/93

15:05:22 <phila> deirdrelee: SLAs not currently included in the BPs

Deirdre Lee: SLAs not currently included in the BPs [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:05:44 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: SLAs are not in scope

PROPOSED: SLAs are not in scope

15:05:58 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

15:06:01 <yaso> Agree. +1

Yaso Córdova: Agree. +1

15:06:08 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

15:06:11 <NewtonCalegari> +1

Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

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15:06:11 <Caroline> +1

+1

15:06:16 <BernadetteLoscio_> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

15:06:18 <phila> -1, see http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#R-SLAAvailable

Phil Archer: -1, see http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#R-SLAAvailable

15:06:24 <makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

15:06:41 <flavio_> +1

Flavio Yanai: +1

15:06:45 <GiselePappa> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

15:06:52 <laufer> but to give metadata for sla is not in the scope?

Carlos Laufer: but to give metadata for sla is not in the scope?

15:07:02 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio_: we have other requirements that are not covered. This is not the onyl one

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we have other requirements that are not covered. This is not the only one

15:07:04 <annette_g> -1

Annette Greiner: -1

15:07:08 <Caroline> s/onyl/only
15:07:08 <laufer> -1

Carlos Laufer: -1

15:07:08 <yaso> Not specific to SLA, I think that is covered, Laufer

Yaso Córdova: Not specific to SLA, I think that is covered, Laufer

15:07:20 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

15:07:20 <riccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

15:07:29 <phila> zakim, open queue

Phil Archer: zakim, open queue

15:07:29 <Zakim> ok, phila, the speaker queue is open

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, phila, the speaker queue is open

15:07:34 <phila> q+ riccardoAlbertoni

Phil Archer: q+ riccardoAlbertoni

15:08:05 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

15:08:09 <Caroline> deirdrelee: sla is out of scope even though there is a requirement?

Deirdre Lee: sla is out of scope even though there is a requirement?

15:08:13 <annette_g> can't understand

Annette Greiner: can't understand

15:08:16 <BernadetteLoscio_> we cant understand :(

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we cant understand :(

15:08:17 <deirdrelee> ack riccardoAlbertoni

Deirdre Lee: ack riccardoAlbertoni

15:08:24 <Caroline> riccardoAlbertoni: I cannot understand you, sorry

Riccardo Albertoni: I cannot understand you, sorry

15:08:27 <ericstephan> muffled sounding unfortunately

Eric Stephan: muffled sounding unfortunately

15:08:46 <ericstephan> glossary suggested?

Eric Stephan: glossary suggested?

15:08:50 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

15:08:54 <Caroline> what is the suggestion?

what is the suggestion?

15:09:03 <laufer> I think that license and sla has some common things...

Carlos Laufer: I think that license and sla has some common things...

15:09:07 <riccardoAlbertoni> I am proposing to have the definition in the glossary for sla

Riccardo Albertoni: I am proposing to have the definition in the glossary for sla

15:09:08 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g

Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g

15:09:14 <Caroline> annette_g: I agree that the term sla is vague an not helpful

Annette Greiner: I agree that the term sla is vague an not helpful

15:09:20 <Zakim> -makx

Zakim IRC Bot: -makx

15:09:26 <Caroline> ... but I think we need to address the issue of availability

... but I think we need to address the issue of availability

15:09:27 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

15:09:36 <riccardoAlbertoni> becouse It is not clear to me the difference between licence and SLA

Riccardo Albertoni: becouse It is not clear to me the difference between licence and SLA

15:09:41 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio_: availability is data quality

Bernadette Farias Loscio: availability is data quality

15:09:48 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman

15:09:51 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio_

Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio_

15:10:03 <Caroline> ... availability is a quality criteria

... availability is a quality criteria

15:10:13 <Caroline> annette_g: why do you think is data quality?

Annette Greiner: why do you think is data quality?

15:10:16 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

15:10:18 <phila> I think I agree with Berna

Phil Archer: I think I agree with Berna

15:10:24 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio_: availability is another criteria

Bernadette Farias Loscio: availability is another criteria

15:10:27 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

15:10:45 <Caroline> ... in my opinio availability is a dataset and a data quality information

... in my opinio availability is a dataset and a data quality information

15:11:00 <Caroline> annette_g: I think is a different thing

Annette Greiner: I think is a different thing

15:11:06 <phila> +1 to BernadetteLoscio

Phil Archer: +1 to BernadetteLoscio

15:11:08 <phila> q-

Phil Archer: q-

15:11:13 <yaso> +1 to berna

Yaso Córdova: +1 to berna

15:11:25 <Caroline> laufer: I think the sla is the way the consumer could evaluate it

Carlos Laufer: I think the sla is the way the consumer could evaluate it

15:11:31 <Caroline> ... the consumer need a license

... the consumer need a license

15:11:48 <phila> CHAIR INTERRUPT - BEHAVE!

Phil Archer: CHAIR INTERRUPT - BEHAVE!

15:11:56 <phila> ack ericstephan

Phil Archer: ack ericstephan

15:12:06 <Caroline> ... to decide about to use it or not.

... to decide about to use it or not.

15:12:27 <phila> +1 to Eric

Phil Archer: +1 to Eric

15:12:27 <Caroline> ericstephan: I need someway to describe the availability of the data

Eric Stephan: I need someway to describe the availability of the data

15:12:37 <Caroline> ... I think we can discuss wich ways we can do that

... I think we can discuss wich ways we can do that

15:12:43 <phila> q+ to say that SLAs are an aspect of DQ

Phil Archer: q+ to say that SLAs are an aspect of DQ

15:12:43 <Caroline> ... we must have some way of convey that

... we must have some way of convey that

15:12:53 <phila> ack deirdrelee

Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee

15:13:04 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a]

15:13:09 <Caroline> deirdrelee: even though there is a requirement it is not currently included on the BP

Deirdre Lee: even though there is a requirement it is not currently included on the BP

15:13:16 <makx> zakim, ipcaller.a is me

Makx Dekkers: zakim, ipcaller.a is me

15:13:16 <Zakim> +makx; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +makx; got it

15:13:27 <Caroline> ... if it is important to be included, where it should be on the BP document?

... if it is important to be included, where it should be on the BP document?

15:13:43 <phila> Draft proposal - The the subject of Service Level Agreement be included in the Data Quality work as one way to convey info about accessibility

Phil Archer: Draft proposal - The the subject of Service Level Agreement be included in the Data Quality work as one way to convey info about accessibility

15:13:44 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

15:13:45 <phila> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

15:13:45 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to say that SLAs are an aspect of DQ

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to say that SLAs are an aspect of DQ

15:13:51 <Caroline> ... should we include in the Glossary a definition

... should we include in the Glossary a definition

15:14:07 <Caroline> phila: I think we have several agreements. I agree with BernadetteLoscio_ and ericstephan

Phil Archer: I think we have several agreements. I agree with BernadetteLoscio_ and ericstephan

15:14:26 <Caroline> ... keeping the discussion we had yesterdary on data quality

... keeping the discussion we had yesterdary on data quality

15:14:45 <ericstephan> phila sla as an alternative approach and part of data quality +1

Eric Stephan: phila sla as an alternative approach and part of data quality +1

15:15:20 <phila> phila: I am saying that SLAs can be seen as one way to express data quality wrt accessibility and availability. So I suggest the issue is taken up by the Data Quality (vocab) work

Phil Archer: I am saying that SLAs can be seen as one way to express data quality wrt accessibility and availability. So I suggest the issue is taken up by the Data Quality (vocab) work [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:15:32 <ericstephan> +1 phila

Eric Stephan: +1 phila

15:15:55 <Caroline> +1 to phila suggestion

+1 to phila suggestion

15:15:57 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

15:16:10 <yaso> +1 to phila

Yaso Córdova: +1 to phila

15:16:20 <phila> PROPOSAL: Close issue-53 - SLA should nto be referred to in the BP doc as it is distinct from the notion of licence

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-53 - SLA should nto be referred to in the BP doc as it is distinct from the notion of licence

15:16:26 <phila> ack annette_g

Phil Archer: ack annette_g

15:17:00 <Caroline> annette_g: as long as we say we are including a reference. The BP will include what would be in the data quality vocabulary

Annette Greiner: as long as we say we are including a reference. The BP will include what would be in the data quality vocabulary

15:17:01 <phila> annette_g: I can get behind this if the BPs say that we'll include what's in the DQV

Annette Greiner: I can get behind this if the BPs say that we'll include what's in the DQV [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:17:11 <Caroline> ... we should make it clear what the availability is

... we should make it clear what the availability is

15:17:16 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

15:17:23 <Caroline> laufer: we will have a vocabulary to talk about this, but not a BP

Carlos Laufer: we will have a vocabulary to talk about this, but not a BP

15:17:36 <Caroline> annette_g: I suggest we write a BP that refers to the vocabulary

Annette Greiner: I suggest we write a BP that refers to the vocabulary

15:17:45 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio_

Phil Archer: ack BernadetteLoscio_

15:18:03 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio_: this will appears as one of the dimensions to describe data quality

Bernadette Farias Loscio: this will appears as one of the dimensions to describe data quality

15:18:26 <Caroline> annette_g: I would suggest that we have a BP taht tell us what the availbility is

Annette Greiner: I would suggest that we have a BP taht tell us what the availbility is

15:18:38 <phila> I think http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#ProvideDataQuality addresses Annette's point (modulo any updates)

Phil Archer: I think http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#ProvideDataQuality addresses Annette's point (modulo any updates)

15:18:49 <ericstephan> suggested alternative draft proposal:  Close issue-53 - SLA should nto be referred to in the BP doc.  SLA can be a dimension of data quality, data availability may be described in other  ways in the DQ vocab

Eric Stephan: suggested alternative draft proposal: Close ISSUE-53 - SLA should nto be referred to in the BP doc. SLA can be a dimension of data quality, data availability may be described in other ways in the DQ vocab

15:18:50 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio_: if we have a vocabulary that describes the availability, then we jave it

Bernadette Farias Loscio: if we have a vocabulary that describes the availability, then we have it

15:18:55 <Caroline> s/jave/have
15:19:11 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes

15:19:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila

15:19:14 <Caroline> laufer: we will have a BP taht someone has to give metadata about quality

Carlos Laufer: we will have a BP taht someone has to give metadata about quality

15:19:20 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

15:19:26 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio_: we already have a BP taht information about data quality should be available

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we already have a BP taht information about data quality should be available

15:19:28 <Caroline> +1 to BernadetteLoscio_

+1 to BernadetteLoscio_

15:19:37 <phila> ack ericstephan

Phil Archer: ack ericstephan

15:19:40 <yaso> q+

Yaso Córdova: q+

15:19:44 <annette_g> +1 to BernadetteLoscio_

Annette Greiner: +1 to BernadetteLoscio_

15:19:52 <riccardoAlbertoni> q+

Riccardo Albertoni: q+

15:20:24 <yaso> ack me o/

Yaso Córdova: ack me o/

15:20:25 <phila> ack yaso

Phil Archer: ack yaso

15:20:28 <Caroline> ericstephan: I suggest that we close this issue. SLA is an alternative way to express data availability. There are simpler ways, that could be described in the data quality vocabulary

Eric Stephan: I suggest that we close this issue. SLA is an alternative way to express data availability. There are simpler ways, that could be described in the data quality vocabulary

15:20:53 <Caroline> yaso: how can we describe availabity in a simple way?

Yaso Córdova: how can we describe availabity in a simple way?

15:21:09 <phila> Dependencies witehin the WG are generally OK. Dependecies on outside WGs can be dangerous

Phil Archer: Dependencies whithin the WG are generally OK. Dependecies on outside WGs can be dangerous

15:21:24 <Caroline> s/witehin/whithin
15:21:24 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

15:21:33 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

15:21:35 <ericstephan> "Back in ss minutes" concept might be introduced?

Eric Stephan: "Back in ss minutes" concept might be introduced?

15:21:39 <phila> ack rhiaro

Phil Archer: ack rhiaro

15:21:43 <phila> ack riccardoAlbertoni

Phil Archer: ack riccardoAlbertoni

15:21:44 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

15:21:55 <riccardoAlbertoni> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service-level_agreement

Riccardo Albertoni: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service-level_agreement

15:21:56 <phila> riccardoAlbertoni: If you want to have an SLA as a quality dimension - OK

Riccardo Albertoni: If you want to have an SLA as a quality dimension - OK [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:22:09 <annette_g> q_

Annette Greiner: q_

15:22:12 <annette_g> q-

Annette Greiner: q-

15:22:12 <yaso> My question to BernadetteLoscio_ was: is there a simpler or alternative way to provide info about availability of data?

Yaso Córdova: My question to BernadetteLoscio_ was: is there a simpler or alternative way to provide info about availability of data?

15:22:17 <phila> ... the wiki page pointed to includes some kind oif promise that the publisher makes wrt quality

Phil Archer: ... the wiki page pointed to includes some kind oif promise that the publisher makes wrt quality

15:22:25 <phila> [Abba Dancing Queen]

Phil Archer: [Abba Dancing Queen]

15:22:34 <ericstephan> lol

Eric Stephan: lol

15:22:46 <deirdrelee> yaso, yes, refer to data quality work..

Deirdre Lee: yaso, yes, refer to data quality work..

15:22:50 <phila> riccardoAlbertoni: I wonder if there is more than just measuring the level of service

Riccardo Albertoni: I wonder if there is more than just measuring the level of service [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:23:11 <phila> ... is an SLA an actual agreement. is it a legal contract and not just quality

Phil Archer: ... is an SLA an actual agreement. is it a legal contract and not just quality

15:23:14 <phila> q?

Phil Archer: q?

15:23:27 <phila> deirdrelee: The SLA isn't just about quality, it's a legal agreement

Deirdre Lee: The SLA isn't just about quality, it's a legal agreement [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:23:29 <phila> ack l

Phil Archer: ack l

15:23:35 <yaso> Yes, but if this data quality work does not exist? Suppose that we don't make it. How can I publish information about the availability of my data?

Yaso Córdova: Yes, but if this data quality work does not exist? Suppose that we don't make it. How can I publish information about the availability of my data?

15:23:35 <BernadetteLoscio_> q-

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q-

15:23:52 <yaso> (naive question, I know)

Yaso Córdova: (naive question, I know)

15:24:06 <phila> Have a little faith Yaso!

Phil Archer: Have a little faith Yaso!

15:24:16 <Caroline> laufer: we have a BP that says 2 ways to provide this information: for humand and for machines

Carlos Laufer: we have a BP that says 2 ways to provide this information: for humand and for machines

15:24:35 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

15:24:52 <Caroline> ... the BP about providing quality informaiton solves this issue

... the BP about providing quality information solves this issue

15:25:02 <phila> deirdrelee: Time's up on this topic

Deirdre Lee: Time's up on this topic [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:25:05 <Caroline> ... the BP 8

... the BP 8

15:25:12 <phila> deirdrelee: How can we refer to DQV if we don't have it it

Deirdre Lee: How can we refer to DQV if we don't have it it [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:25:18 <yaso> Trying to have, phila! can't I as a small creator of data just say in specific field: "monthly provided" - maybe a different approach for implementation

Yaso Córdova: Trying to have, phila! can't I as a small creator of data just say in specific field: "monthly provided" - maybe a different approach for implementation

15:25:22 <phila> ... we can assume that there will be this work

Phil Archer: ... we can assume that there will be this work

15:25:24 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/informaiton/information
15:25:39 <yaso> okok, so I'll assume that too :-)  phila

Yaso Córdova: okok, so I'll assume that too :-) phila

15:25:40 <ericstephan> +1 deirdrelee

Eric Stephan: +1 deirdrelee

15:25:45 <phila> deirdrelee: If for some reason the DQV doesn't happen, Ok, we'll deal with it

Deirdre Lee: If for some reason the DQV doesn't happen, Ok, we'll deal with it [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:25:49 <annette_g> +1 if there is a BP for publishing data quality info

Annette Greiner: +1 if there is a BP for publishing data quality info

15:25:50 <phila> ... in terms ofthe SLA issue

Phil Archer: ... in terms ofthe SLA issue

15:26:02 <Caroline> deirdrelee: we are going to ericstephan proposal in terms of SAL

Deirdre Lee: we are going to ericstephan proposed in terms of SLA

15:26:06 <Caroline> s/SAL/SLA
15:26:40 <ericstephan> PROPOSAL:  Close issue-53 - SLA should nto be referred to in the BP doc.  SLA can be a dimension of data quality, data availability may be described in other  ways in the DQ vocab

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-53 - SLA should not be referred to in the BP doc. SLA can be a dimension of data quality, data availability may be described in other ways in the DQ vocab

15:26:54 <deirdrelee> s/proposal/proposed
15:26:54 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

15:26:59 <Caroline> s/nto/not
15:27:00 <ericstephan> sorry

Eric Stephan: sorry

15:27:04 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

15:27:11 <annette_g> can the proposal say that we have a BP for quality?

Annette Greiner: can the proposal say that we have a BP for quality?

15:27:11 <phila> PROPOSED:  Close issue-53 - SLA should not be referred to in the BP doc.  SLA can be a dimension of data quality, data availability may be described in other  ways in the DQ vocab

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-53 - SLA should not be referred to in the BP doc. SLA can be a dimension of data quality, data availability may be described in other ways in the DQ vocab

15:27:12 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

15:27:13 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

15:27:31 <phila> annette_g - see http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#ProvideDataQuality

Phil Archer: annette_g - see http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#ProvideDataQuality

15:27:42 <riccardoAlbertoni> +0

Riccardo Albertoni: +0

15:27:46 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

15:27:50 <GiselePappa> q+

Gisele Pappa: q+

15:28:01 <laufer> SLA is not a dimension of DQV

Carlos Laufer: SLA is not a dimension of DQV

15:28:14 <phila> riccardoAlbertoni: My 0 ... it's find me to treat an SLA as a dimension of quality, but it's something different

Riccardo Albertoni: My 0 ... it's find me to treat an SLA as a dimension of quality, but it's something different [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:28:21 <annette_g> riccardo is too close to the mic?

Annette Greiner: riccardo is too close to the mic?

15:28:25 <laufer> some aspects of SLA could be covered by dimensions of DQV

Carlos Laufer: some aspects of SLA could be covered by dimensions of DQV

15:28:27 <yaso> scribe: yaso

(Scribe set to Yaso Córdova)

15:29:01 <phila> riccardoAlbertoni: An SLA is a promise between the provider and the consumer

Riccardo Albertoni: An SLA is a promise between the provider and the consumer [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:29:11 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

15:29:12 <phila> ... the consumer will receive a certain level of service

Phil Archer: ... the consumer will receive a certain level of service

15:29:14 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

15:29:17 <yaso> tks phila

tks phila

15:29:35 <phila> ack GiselePappa

Phil Archer: ack GiselePappa

15:29:42 <deirdrelee> zakim, close the queue

Deirdre Lee: zakim, close the queue

15:29:42 <Zakim> ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is closed

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is closed

15:29:49 <yaso> GiselePappa: Just to say that I agree with Laufer that is not a dimension

Gisele Pappa: Just to say that I agree with Laufer that is not a dimension

15:29:59 <yaso> ... is a way to measure data quality, but is not a dimension

... is a way to measure data quality, but is not a dimension

15:30:02 <laufer> +1 to riccardo... and the contract could attend or not the quality needs of the consumer

Carlos Laufer: +1 to riccardo... and the contract could attend or not the quality needs of the consumer

15:30:07 <phila> ack e

Phil Archer: ack e

15:30:12 <yaso> GiselePappa: I'll try to rewrite it

Gisele Pappa: I'll try to rewrite it

15:31:01 <phila> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

15:31:01 <yaso> ericstephan: to me, I'm not getting caught by the term, I would suggest that perhaps that we it falls under a type of data quality but it is just to use a more generic

Eric Stephan: to me, I'm not getting caught by the term, I would suggest that perhapss that we it falls under a type of data quality but it is just to use a more generic

15:31:12 <GiselePappa> PROPOSED:  Close issue-53 - SLA should not be referred to in the BP doc.  SLA aspects can be covered by a dimension of data quality, data availability may be described in other  ways in the DQ vocab

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-53 - SLA should not be referred to in the BP doc. SLA aspects can be covered by a dimension of data quality, data availability may be described in other ways in the DQ vocab

15:31:29 <yaso> phila: An SLA is one way to provide info about the quality of data

Phil Archer: An SLA is one way to provide info about the quality of data

15:31:42 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

15:31:47 <yaso> +1

+1

15:31:47 <Sumit_Purohit> +1

Sumit Purohit: +1

15:31:51 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

15:32:02 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 I agree with phil

Riccardo Albertoni: +1 I agree with phil

15:32:05 <phila> deirdrelee: There's too much uncertainty about what the DQV will offer so we should leave the issues open and come back to them later

Deirdre Lee: There's too much uncertainty about what the DQV will offer so we should leave the issues open and come back to them later [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:32:06 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

15:32:12 <phila> ... spoke too soon

Phil Archer: ... spoke too soon

15:32:13 <BernadetteLoscio_> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

15:32:50 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_:  says that she disagrees of deirdre's proposal

Bernadette Farias Loscio: says that she disagrees of deirdre's proposal

15:33:08 <phila> PROPOSED: Close issue-53 - SLA should not be referred to in the BP doc.  SLA can be one way to express data quality across multiple dimensions defined in the DQV

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-53 - SLA should not be referred to in the BP doc. SLA can be one way to express data quality across multiple dimensions defined in the DQV

15:33:32 <laufer> do we have a SLA here?

Carlos Laufer: do we have a SLA here?

15:33:37 <yaso> +1

+1

15:33:38 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

15:33:39 <BernadetteLoscio_> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

15:33:40 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

15:33:40 <phila> Stop being awkward laufer

Phil Archer: Stop being awkward laufer

15:33:41 <GiselePappa> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

15:33:43 <Sumit_Purohit> +1

Sumit Purohit: +1

15:33:49 <ericstephan> +

Eric Stephan: +

15:33:52 <laufer> hmmmm

Carlos Laufer: hmmmm

15:34:30 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

15:34:31 <ericstephan> uncertainty quantification needed about data quality, is what we are basically saying

Eric Stephan: uncertainty quantification needed about data quality, is what we are basically saying

15:35:18 <deirdrelee> draft proposal: data quality vocab includes a note on how data quality can be expressed, e.g. in SLAs, using ODI certs, metadata, etc

Deirdre Lee: draft proposal: data quality vocab includes a note on how data quality can be expressed, e.g. in SLAs, using ODI certs, metadata, etc

15:35:20 <makx> +1 to phil

Makx Dekkers: +1 to phil

15:35:30 <yaso> deirdre: inconcrete terms

Deirdre Lee: inconcrete terms

15:35:31 <laufer> I agree phil...  the sla could not be an explicit thing called sla... but a thing that can be extracted of things thta the publisher say...

Carlos Laufer: I agree phil... the sla could not be an explicit thing called sla... but a thing that can be extracted of things thta the publisher say...

15:35:35 <ericstephan> I think we are defining the DQV model right now phila

Eric Stephan: I think we are defining the DQV model right now phila

15:35:45 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

15:35:47 <makx> call it guarantees

Makx Dekkers: call it guarantees

15:35:59 <BernadetteLoscio_> it should be on the BP, no?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: it should be on the BP, no?

15:36:05 <laufer> yes, makx

Carlos Laufer: yes, makx

15:36:21 <annette_g> yes, makx, SLA is not a good term

Annette Greiner: yes, makx, SLA is not a good term

15:36:28 <phila> PROPOSED: data quality vocab includes methods for expressing data quality, e.g. in SLAs, using ODI certs, metadata, etc

PROPOSED: data quality vocab includes methods for expressing data quality, e.g. in SLAs, using ODI certs, metadata, etc

15:36:38 <BernadetteLoscio_> different ways of providing data quality should be possible approaches for implementation

Bernadette Farias Loscio: different ways of providing data quality should be possible approaches for implementation

15:36:58 <laufer> SLA is a way to express guarantees...

Carlos Laufer: SLA is a way to express guarantees...

15:37:09 <ericstephan> phila there seems to be a natural parent concept there ("guarentees"?) and sla a child concept?

Eric Stephan: phila there seems to be a natural parent concept there ("guarentees"?) and sla a child concept?

15:37:10 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_:  I think that I'm not sure that the Data Vocabulary is the right place

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think that I'm not sure that the Data Vocabulary is the right place

15:37:31 <makx> yes laufer that's what i wanted to say

Makx Dekkers: yes laufer that's what i wanted to say

15:37:39 <phila> Could be, ericstephan

Phil Archer: Could be, ericstephan

15:37:40 <yaso> ... not sure about the right place to put it

... not sure about the right place to put it

15:38:02 <phila> PROPOSED: data quality vocab includes methods for expressing data quality, e.g. in SLAs, using ODI certs, metadata, etc

PROPOSED: data quality vocab includes methods for expressing data quality, e.g. in SLAs, using ODI certs, metadata, etc

15:38:08 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

15:38:17 <laufer>  I am just agreeing with what you said, makx

Carlos Laufer: I am just agreeing with what you said, makx

15:38:23 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

15:38:29 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

15:38:30 <yaso> +1

+1

15:38:33 <Sumit_Purohit> +1

Sumit Purohit: +1

15:38:33 <BernadetteLoscio_> 0

Bernadette Farias Loscio: 0

15:38:35 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

15:38:51 <ericstephan> whaaaa BernadetteLoscio_ ?

Eric Stephan: whaaaa BernadetteLoscio_ ?

15:38:53 <phila> zakim, [ is Austin

Phil Archer: zakim, [ is Austin

15:38:54 <Zakim> +Austin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Austin; got it

15:38:55 <Caroline> scribe: Caroline

(Scribe set to Caroline Burle)

15:38:55 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 let's re-discuss this when we have  aversion of data quality vocabulary  ..

Riccardo Albertoni: +1 let's re-discuss this when we have aversion of data quality vocabulary ..

15:39:03 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

15:39:08 <laufer> aversion...

Carlos Laufer: a version...

15:39:20 <phila> Close issue-53

Phil Archer: Close ISSUE-53

15:39:20 <trackbot_> Closed issue-53.

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15:39:20 <trackbot> Closed issue-53.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-53.

15:39:27 <phila> issue-54?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-54?

15:39:27 <trackbot_> issue-54 -- The term "sla" is vague, undefined, and may not actually represent an agreement between the publisher and reuser -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-54 -- The term "sla" is vague, undefined, and may not actually represent an agreement between the publisher and reuser -- open

15:39:27 <trackbot> issue-54 -- The term "sla" is vague, undefined, and may not actually represent an agreement between the publisher and reuser -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-54 -- The term "sla" is vague, undefined, and may not actually represent an agreement between the publisher and reuser -- open

15:39:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/54

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/54

15:39:27 <trackbot_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/54

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/54

15:39:31 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/aversion/ a version
15:39:39 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: close issue 54

PROPOSED: close ISSUE-54

15:39:42 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

15:39:45 <ericstephan> "aversion" or "a version"?

Eric Stephan: "aversion" or "a version"?

15:40:25 <annette_g> +1 to close 54

Annette Greiner: +1 to close 54

15:40:32 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

15:40:36 <BernadetteLoscio_> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

15:40:41 <GiselePappa> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

15:40:42 <Caroline> +1

+1

15:40:43 <riccardoAlbertoni> to ericstephan: a version

Riccardo Albertoni: to ericstephan: a version

15:40:53 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

15:41:08 <phila> RESOLVED: Close issue-54

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-54

15:41:12 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: close issue-93

PROPOSED: close ISSUE-93

15:41:13 <ericstephan> okay thanks riccardoAlbertoni :-)

Eric Stephan: okay thanks riccardoAlbertoni :-)

15:41:18 <phila> issue-93?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-93?

15:41:18 <trackbot> issue-93 -- Free Open Data SLAs for Open Data publishing -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-93 -- Free Open Data SLAs for Open Data publishing -- open

15:41:18 <trackbot_> issue-93 -- Free Open Data SLAs for Open Data publishing -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-93 -- Free Open Data SLAs for Open Data publishing -- open

15:41:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/93

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/93

15:41:18 <trackbot_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/93

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/93

15:41:18 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

15:42:34 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

15:42:47 <laufer> hello

Carlos Laufer: hello

15:43:12 <laufer> I want to talk about 93

Carlos Laufer: I want to talk about 93

15:43:12 <phila> action: Riccardo to ensure that the DQV document includes SLAs as a possible method for expressing quality

ACTION: Riccardo to ensure that the DQV document includes SLAs as a possible method for expressing quality

15:43:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-167 - Ensure that the dqv document includes slas as a possible method for expressing quality [on Riccardo Albertoni - due 2015-04-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-167 - Ensure that the dqv document includes slas as a possible method for expressing quality [on Riccardo Albertoni - due 2015-04-21].

15:43:13 <trackbot_> Created ACTION-168 - Ensure that the dqv document includes slas as a possible method for expressing quality [on Riccardo Albertoni - due 2015-04-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-168 - Ensure that the dqv document includes slas as a possible method for expressing quality [on Riccardo Albertoni - due 2015-04-21].

15:43:20 <laufer> 93

Carlos Laufer: 93

15:43:22 <deirdrelee> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/April_2015_F2F

Deirdre Lee: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/April_2015_F2F

15:44:09 <phila> close issue-54

Phil Archer: close ISSUE-54

15:44:09 <trackbot> Closed issue-54.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-54.

15:44:09 <trackbot_> Closed issue-54.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-54.

15:44:27 <Caroline> deirdrelee: for the last 15min we will talk about the BP public working draft

Deirdre Lee: for the last 15min we will talk about the BP public working draft

15:44:27 <phila> Topic: BP Doc Time Line

5. BP Doc Time Line

15:44:50 <Caroline> ... we have created a lot of action

... we have created a lot of actions

15:44:59 <Caroline> s/action/actions
15:45:15 <phila> close issue-144

Phil Archer: close ISSUE-144

15:45:15 <trackbot> Closed issue-144.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-144.

15:45:15 <trackbot_> Closed issue-144.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-144.

15:45:47 <Caroline> ... the editors must keep on track with the contributors to incorporate them in the document. It is up to the editors to make decisions on what to incorporate or not

... the editors must keep on track with the contributors to incorporate them in the document. It is up to the editors to make decisions on what to incorporate or not

15:46:08 <Caroline> q+

q+

15:46:18 <phila> zakim, open queue

Phil Archer: zakim, open queue

15:46:18 <Zakim> ok, phila, the speaker queue is open

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, phila, the speaker queue is open

15:46:27 <phila> ack Caroline

Phil Archer: ack Caroline

15:47:06 <BernadetteLoscio_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule

Bernadette Farias Loscio: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule

15:48:40 <Caroline> Caroline: asks to everyone to read the proposed schedule so we can discuss it in 2min from now

Caroline Burle: asks to everyone to read the proposed schedule so we can discuss it in 2min from now

15:49:20 <Caroline> ... it is important to have an agreement on this so the editors can make decisions regarding the discussions/actions/issues and edit the document

... it is important to have an agreement on this so the editors can make decisions regarding the discussions/actions/issues and edit the document

15:49:42 <Caroline> ... also, if people can contribute direct on github it would very much help the editors

... also, if people can contribute direct on github it would very much help the editors

15:49:51 <NewtonCalegari> q+ to ask about memento and versioning (yesterday topic)

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Unknown NewtonCalegari: q+ to ask about memento and versioning (yesterday topic)

15:50:10 <yaso> phila: would you reconsider opening issues on github for the second round on community feedback?

Phil Archer: would you reconsider opening issues on github for the second round on community feedback? [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

15:50:21 <BernadetteLoscio_> yes

Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes

15:52:04 <deirdrelee> ACK NewtonCalegari

Deirdre Lee: ACK NewtonCalegari

15:52:04 <Zakim> NewtonCalegari, you wanted to ask about memento and versioning (yesterday topic)

Zakim IRC Bot: NewtonCalegari, you wanted to ask about memento and versioning (yesterday topic)

15:52:10 <Caroline> NewtonCalegari: about the memento and versioning

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Unknown NewtonCalegari: about the memento and versioning

15:52:36 <Caroline> ... we must creat an action about it

... we must creat an action about it

15:52:43 <Caroline> deirdrelee: go ahead and creat it, NewtonCalegari

Deirdre Lee: go ahead and creat it, NewtonCalegari

15:52:46 <Caroline> NewtonCalegari: ok

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Unknown NewtonCalegari: ok

15:52:55 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

15:52:59 <Caroline> scribre: yaso

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Unknown scribre: yaso

15:53:14 <yaso> phila: to the BP doc editors

Phil Archer: to the BP doc editors [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

15:53:22 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

15:53:37 <phila> ack b

Phil Archer: ack b

15:53:39 <yaso> ... in there's anything you need to discuss today, say it

Yaso Córdova: ... in there's anything you need to discuss today, say it

15:54:08 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: I think that for the proposed scheduled there are 3 improtant things:

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think that for the proposed scheduled there are 3 improtant things: [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

15:54:11 <phila> phila: Is there anything stopping the BP editors meeting the 18 May target as described in https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule

Phil Archer: Is there anything stopping the BP editors meeting the 18 May target as described in https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:54:18 <NewtonCalegari> action newton create a "Possible Approach to Implementation" showing Memento examples

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Unknown NewtonCalegari: action newton create a "Possible Approach to Implementation" showing Memento examples

15:54:19 <trackbot_> Created ACTION-169 - Create a "possible approach to implementation" showing memento examples [on Newton Calegari - due 2015-04-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-169 - Create a "possible approach to implementation" showing memento examples [on Newton Calegari - due 2015-04-21].

15:54:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-170 - Create a "possible approach to implementation" showing memento examples [on Newton Calegari - due 2015-04-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-170 - Create a "possible approach to implementation" showing memento examples [on Newton Calegari - due 2015-04-21].

15:54:31 <yaso> ... 1: we are going to try to include the resolutions on the doc, but there are other comments that we need to discuss

Yaso Córdova: ... 1: we are going to try to include the resolutions on the doc, but there are other comments that we need to discuss

15:54:35 <Zakim> -Ipswich

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Ipswich

15:54:46 <yaso> ... so I suggest that in the next meeting we discuss this issues

Yaso Córdova: ... so I suggest that in the next meeting we discuss this issues

15:54:51 <yaso> ... and comments

Yaso Córdova: ... and comments

15:54:57 <yaso> Ahá, the wine!

Yaso Córdova: Ahá, the wine!

15:54:59 <deirdrelee> which comments BernadetteLoscio_ ?

Deirdre Lee: which comments BernadetteLoscio_ ?

15:55:06 <ericstephan> you didn't want us to hear you eating the chocolate

Eric Stephan: you didn't want us to hear you eating the chocolate

15:55:08 <Zakim> +??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0

15:55:16 <yaso> lol

Yaso Córdova: lol

15:55:43 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: about the comments

Bernadette Farias Loscio: about the comments [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

15:55:53 <yaso> ... there are comments that are still in discussion

Yaso Córdova: ... there are comments that are still in discussion

15:56:10 <yaso> ... the second thing is about this examples, it is really important to show

Yaso Córdova: ... the second thing is about this examples, it is really important to show

15:56:18 <yaso> ... because people want to see how to do this

Yaso Córdova: ... because people want to see how to do this

15:56:21 <yaso> q+

Yaso Córdova: q+

15:56:24 <phila> q+ to ask what comments?

Phil Archer: q+ to ask what comments?

15:56:43 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: for the next version we would like to see some examples

Bernadette Farias Loscio: for the next version we would like to see some examples [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

15:57:33 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: I think if we are going thru this is a great improvement for the doc

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think if we are going thru this is a great improvement for the doc [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

15:58:06 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: for the next version, I think that there is not enough resources to build tests

Bernadette Farias Loscio: for the next version, I think that there is not enough resources to build tests [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

15:58:07 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

15:58:50 <yaso> ... for the next draft I think we should consider the comments, the examples and also to consider the things that we discussed during this f2f. The action that we can use to improve this version of the doc

Yaso Córdova: ... for the next draft I think we should consider the comments, the examples and also to consider the things that we discussed during this f2f. The action that we can use to improve this version of the doc

15:58:51 <ericstephan> +1 BernadetteLoscio_

Eric Stephan: +1 BernadetteLoscio_

15:59:03 <yaso> ... the tests I think we should leave for the next version

Yaso Córdova: ... the tests I think we should leave for the next version

15:59:05 <yaso> -q

Yaso Córdova: -q

15:59:30 <yaso> deirdre: I think that having a couple of examples is the right way to keep going forward

Deirdre Lee: I think that having a couple of examples is the right way to keep going forward [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:00:05 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

16:00:21 <yaso> deirdre: is a lot easier to get feedback on content that is example

Deirdre Lee: is a lot easier to get feedback on content that is example [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:00:54 <phila> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

16:00:54 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to ask what comments?

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to ask what comments?

16:01:07 <yaso> phila: BernadetteLoscio_ what comments are you talking about?

Phil Archer: BernadetteLoscio_ what comments are you talking about? [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:01:17 <yaso> phila: we have resolved them

Phil Archer: we have resolved them [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:01:33 <yaso> ... so what are the comments that you need we to look at?

Yaso Córdova: ... so what are the comments that you need we to look at?

16:01:39 <phila> This is the only open comment in the tracker https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/WD-dwbp-20150224/3008 And we have talked about Memento already

Phil Archer: This is the only open comment in the tracker https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/WD-dwbp-20150224/3008 And we have talked about Memento already

16:01:48 <yaso> Caroline: I think we have to create an action to put that on the tracker

Caroline Burle: I think we have to create an action to put that on the tracker [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:02:16 <yaso> deirdre feedback from the public we should discuss

Yaso Córdova: deirdre feedback from the public we should discuss

16:02:39 <phila>  acke

Phil Archer: acke

16:02:41 <phila> ack e

Phil Archer: ack e

16:02:52 <yaso> ericstephan: this examples can be developed while we go with the work

Eric Stephan: this examples can be developed while we go with the work [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:02:54 <Caroline> ack ericstephan

ack ericstephan

16:02:59 <deirdrelee> ACTION: BernadetteLoscio_  to add all public comments to comment tracker

ACTION: BernadetteLoscio_ to add all public comments to comment tracker

16:02:59 <trackbot> Error finding 'BernadetteLoscio_'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'BernadetteLoscio_'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.

16:02:59 <trackbot_> Error finding 'BernadetteLoscio_'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'BernadetteLoscio_'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.

16:03:02 <yaso> ... we are looking for implementations

Yaso Córdova: ... we are looking for implementations

16:03:06 <deirdrelee> ACTION: Bernadette  to add all public comments to comment tracker

ACTION: Bernadette to add all public comments to comment tracker

16:03:07 <trackbot_> Created ACTION-171 -  to add all public comments to comment tracker [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2015-04-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-171 - to add all public comments to comment tracker [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2015-04-21].

16:03:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-172 -  to add all public comments to comment tracker [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2015-04-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-172 - to add all public comments to comment tracker [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2015-04-21].

16:03:16 <yaso> ... why are people publishing or using this best practices

Yaso Córdova: ... why are people publishing or using this best practices

16:03:27 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

16:03:31 <Caroline> Caroline and NewtonCalegari will help BernadetteLoscio_ with ACTION-171

Caroline and NewtonCalegari will help BernadetteLoscio_ with ACTION-171

16:03:52 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: I'd like that a small group could work in the examples

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'd like that a small group could work in the examples [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:03:52 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

16:04:06 <yaso> a task force?

Yaso Córdova: a task force?

16:04:14 <yaso> agree

Yaso Córdova: agree

16:04:17 <yaso> +1 to BernadetteLoscio_

Yaso Córdova: +1 to BernadetteLoscio_

16:04:26 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan

Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan

16:04:33 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio_

Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio_

16:04:35 <phila> q+ to talk about examples

Phil Archer: q+ to talk about examples

16:04:56 <yaso> ericstephan: at the dinner we had a good conversation about expertise

Eric Stephan: at the dinner we had a good conversation about expertise [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:04:56 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

16:05:01 <phila> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

16:05:03 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about examples

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to talk about examples

16:05:08 <yaso> ericstephan: mentioned annette_g as a good example of expertise

Eric Stephan: mentioned annette_g as a good example of expertise [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:05:20 <annette_g> I can help

Annette Greiner: I can help

16:05:23 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

16:05:26 <deirdrelee> ack me

Deirdre Lee: ack me

16:05:26 <ericstephan> good point phila +1

Eric Stephan: good point phila +1

16:05:53 <ericstephan> May 18th, Mount Saint Helens (Washington state USA) eruption 35th anniversary for those interested.

Eric Stephan: May 18th, Mount Saint Helens (Washington state USA) eruption 35th anniversary for those interested.

16:06:14 <ericstephan> another example of a deliverable

Eric Stephan: another example of a deliverable

16:06:36 <annette_g> * I wish we could deliver on such short notice

Annette Greiner: * I wish we could deliver on such short notice

16:06:42 <ericstephan> lol

Eric Stephan: lol

16:07:13 <Caroline> we will change the schedule according to this discussion

we will change the schedule according to this discussion

16:07:21 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

16:07:27 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio_

Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio_

16:07:51 <ericstephan> unfortunately I was in high school at that time phila (still have a jar of ash) :-)

Eric Stephan: unfortunately I was in high school at that time phila (still have a jar of ash) :-)

16:08:11 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: The BP schedule is https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule

PROPOSED: The BP schedule is https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule

16:08:14 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

16:08:40 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: we did not worked on the how to test section

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we did not worked on the how to test section [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:08:47 <yaso> Caroline:  maybe we can update this now

Caroline Burle: maybe we can update this now [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:08:51 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:09:01 <phila> When my manager looks at this group he sees: a UCR, an FPWD of the BP doc and no sign of the two vocabs. We need to prove the (substantial) progress we've made in this meeting.

Phil Archer: When my manager looks at this group he sees: a UCR, an FPWD of the BP doc and no sign of the two vocabs. We need to prove the (substantial) progress we've made in this meeting.

16:09:04 <yaso> people here wants to keep working

Yaso Córdova: people here wants to keep working

16:09:10 <ericstephan> dissension

Eric Stephan: dissension

16:09:16 <yaso> And work till lunch

Yaso Córdova: And work till lunch

16:09:18 <phila> Not lunch yet!

Phil Archer: Not lunch yet!

16:09:30 <phila> Just a 10 min break

Phil Archer: Just a 10 min break

16:09:41 <ericstephan> only whiskey in texas

Eric Stephan: only whiskey in texas

16:09:51 <phila> Propose lunch at 12:30 Austin time

Phil Archer: Propose lunch at 12:30 Austin time

16:09:58 <yaso> +1 to phila

Yaso Córdova: +1 to phila

16:10:01 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

16:10:07 <Caroline> ok! We will change the schedule in 10min

ok! We will change the schedule in 10min

16:10:10 <Caroline> so we can vote it

so we can vote it

16:10:12 <Caroline> :)

:)

16:10:35 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: The BP next PWD to be published on May 18th

PROPOSED: The BP next PWD to be published on May 18th

16:10:48 <Caroline> no!!!

no!!!

16:10:53 <Caroline> that is not the proposal!

that is not the proposal!

16:10:57 <yaso> Caroline: strongly disagrees

Caroline Burle: strongly disagrees [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:11:06 <Caroline> yes! Thks

yes! Thks

16:11:11 <NewtonCalegari>  22 May 2015 Group voting

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16:11:29 <Caroline> PROPOSED :  Last review of document before publishing it on May 18th

PROPOSED : Last review of document before publishing it on May 18th

16:11:33 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

16:11:37 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

16:11:42 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

16:11:57 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

16:12:10 <Caroline> rephrasing it

rephrasing it

16:12:58 <Caroline> PROPOSED :  on May 18th is the deadline for the Last review of document before publishing it. 22th May Group voting the document to be published

PROPOSED : on May 18th is the deadline for the Last review of document before publishing it. 22th May Group voting the document to be published

16:13:06 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

16:13:46 <phila> PROPOSED : May 18th is the deadline for the Last review of the BP document before publishing it. 22th May Group voting the document to be published

Phil Archer: PROPOSED : May 18th is the deadline for the Last review of the BP document before publishing it. 22th May Group voting the document to be published

16:14:30 <ericstephan> <whispers>

Eric Stephan: <whispers>

16:14:42 <flavio_> not yet

Flavio Yanai: not yet

16:14:44 <yaso> Because people are confabulating on something.

Yaso Córdova: Because people are confabulating on something.

16:14:53 <Caroline> let's rephrase it. Sorry!

let's rephrase it. Sorry!

16:14:57 <Caroline> Just 2min

Just 2min

16:15:15 <yaso> deirdre: we ARE going to breake

Deirdre Lee: we ARE going to breake [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:15:18 <Caroline> we need 5min

we need 5min

16:15:19 <ericstephan> eleven thirtyish

Eric Stephan: eleven thirtyish

16:15:34 <Caroline> ok

ok

16:15:38 <ericstephan> okay

Eric Stephan: okay

16:16:08 <Zakim> -Austin

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Austin

16:17:52 <Zakim> -makx

Zakim IRC Bot: -makx

16:31:30 <yaso> everybody ready to get back?

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Yaso Córdova: everybody ready to get back?

16:33:48 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

16:34:42 <ericstephan> re-docking to the mothership roger

Eric Stephan: re-docking to the mothership roger

16:34:52 <yaso> Caroline: Just one more minute

Caroline Burle: Just one more minute [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:35:03 <phila> zakim, [ is Austin

Phil Archer: zakim, [ is Austin

16:35:05 <Zakim> +Austin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Austin; got it

16:35:06 <Caroline> The schedule is updated https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule. We will put the tests on the next schedule.

The schedule is updated https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule. We will put the tests on the next schedule.

16:35:10 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes

16:35:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila

16:35:22 <Caroline> The schedule is updated https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule. We will put the tests on the next schedule.

The schedule is updated https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule. We will put the tests on the next schedule.

16:35:53 <yaso> I think is too far away

Yaso Córdova: I think is too far away

16:37:25 <yaso> Caroline: can you hear us?

Caroline Burle: can you hear us? [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:38:47 <phila> When do you plan to publish the FPWD of the glossary?

Phil Archer: When do you plan to publish the FPWD of the glossary?

16:38:56 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

16:39:01 <annette_g> q-

Annette Greiner: q-

16:39:05 <phila> All we hear is background hubub, nothing we can actually follow

Phil Archer: All we hear is background hubub, nothing we can actually follow

16:39:41 <yaso> deirdre: this is the proposal?

Deirdre Lee: this is the proposal? [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:39:41 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_:  yes]

Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes] [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:39:42 <yaso> PROPOSED: to change the schedule to d https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule

PROPOSED: to change the schedule to d https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule

16:39:43 <yaso> sorry guys

Yaso Córdova: sorry guys

16:39:50 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

16:39:59 <yaso> PROPOSED: to change the schedule to https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule

PROPOSED: to change the schedule to https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule

16:40:19 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: the glossary is going to be a note, but published together

Bernadette Farias Loscio: the glossary is going to be a note, but published together [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:40:27 <yaso> _1 to BernadetteLoscio_

Yaso Córdova: _1 to BernadetteLoscio_

16:40:33 <annette_g> +1 to BernadetteLoscio_

Annette Greiner: +1 to BernadetteLoscio_

16:40:34 <yaso> I think is a separate document

Yaso Córdova: I think is a separate document

16:40:39 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

16:40:42 <yaso> _1

Yaso Córdova: _1

16:40:47 <yaso> +q

Yaso Córdova: +q

16:40:50 <Sumit_Purohit> +1 BernadetteLoscio_

Sumit Purohit: +1 BernadetteLoscio_

16:41:04 <ericstephan> +1 glossary, its information on the web

Eric Stephan: +1 glossary, its information on the web

16:41:13 <phila> PROPOSED: That the Glossary is a separate document (a WG NOTE)

PROPOSED: That the Glossary is a separate document (a WG NOTE)

16:41:18 <Caroline> +1

+1

16:41:19 <yaso> deirdre: is the glossary a separate note or it will be published with the BP doc

Deirdre Lee: is the glossary a separate note or it will be published with the BP doc [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:41:21 <yaso> ?

Yaso Córdova: ?

16:41:21 <annette_g> -1

Annette Greiner: -1

16:41:24 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

16:41:33 <phila> ack annette_g

Phil Archer: ack annette_g

16:41:34 <Sumit_Purohit> -1

Sumit Purohit: -1

16:41:40 <yaso> q-

Yaso Córdova: q-

16:41:59 <yaso> annette_g: I put -1 because I think that it should be part of the document

Annette Greiner: I put -1 because I think that it should be part of the document [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:42:04 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

16:42:13 <deirdrelee> q+ to say it applies to all documents in dwbp wg

Deirdre Lee: q+ to say it applies to all documents in dwbp wg

16:42:14 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

16:42:17 <phila> annette_g: I think it should be part of the document that it's about. If separate, the BO should make sense without it and the glossary should make sense on its own

Annette Greiner: I think it should be part of the document that it's about. If separate, the BO should make sense without it and the glossary should make sense on its own [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

16:42:19 <yaso> ... if it is a separate document I think it should make sense on it's own

Yaso Córdova: ... if it is a separate document I think it should make sense on it's own

16:42:20 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio_

Phil Archer: ack BernadetteLoscio_

16:42:28 <BernadetteLoscio_> http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-glossary/

Bernadette Farias Loscio: http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-glossary/

16:42:33 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: It is not clear to me what the glossary will be

Bernadette Farias Loscio: It is not clear to me what the glossary will be [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:42:35 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

16:42:51 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: the idea of the glossary is for us to have an agreement of the terms

Bernadette Farias Loscio: the idea of the glossary is for us to have an agreement of the terms [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:42:56 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

16:43:02 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: that is why Im surprised

Bernadette Farias Loscio: that is why Im surprised [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:43:07 <yaso> q+

Yaso Córdova: q+

16:43:12 <deirdrelee> ack laufer

Deirdre Lee: ack laufer

16:43:28 <yaso> laufer: we will publish this agreement because the audience has to understand our agreement

Carlos Laufer: we will publish this agreement because the audience has to understand our agreement [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:43:42 <Sumit_Purohit> +1 for annette_g and BernadetteLoscio_

Sumit Purohit: +1 for annette_g and BernadetteLoscio_

16:43:51 <yaso> ... I think the glossary is not only for terms that we use at the BP doc, in the other docs of the group we will use the same content

Yaso Córdova: ... I think the glossary is not only for terms that we use at the BP doc, in the other docs of the group we will use the same content

16:43:54 <phila> ack next

Phil Archer: ack next

16:43:55 <Zakim> deirdrelee, you wanted to say it applies to all documents in dwbp wg

Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee, you wanted to say it applies to all documents in dwbp wg

16:44:02 <yaso> deirdre: I agree with laufer

Deirdre Lee: I agree with laufer [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:44:16 <phila> deirdrelee: I think the doc should be independent as it applies to all the docs we create

Deirdre Lee: I think the doc should be independent as it applies to all the docs we create [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

16:44:24 <deirdrelee> http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/blob/gh-pages/glossary.html

Deirdre Lee: http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/blob/gh-pages/glossary.html

16:44:28 <phila> ... what should it be - it's a list if terms

Phil Archer: ... what should it be - it's a list if terms

16:44:29 <yaso> ... the document should be independent because I think that the document applies to all the deliverables

Yaso Córdova: ... the document should be independent because I think that the document applies to all the deliverables

16:44:39 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

16:44:40 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan

Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan

16:44:58 <yaso> ericstephan: I'm looking at what yaso has untill now

Eric Stephan: I'm looking at what yaso has untill now [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:45:30 <yaso> ... if it something like what I'm looking at know, then is just something that people should point or read

Yaso Córdova: ... if it something like what I'm looking at know, then is just something that people should point or read

16:45:33 <phila> q+ to make a suggestion (we could do both)

Phil Archer: q+ to make a suggestion (we could do both)

16:45:49 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

16:46:01 <deirdrelee> zakim, close queue

Deirdre Lee: zakim, close queue

16:46:01 <Zakim> ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is closed

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is closed

16:47:05 <ericstephan> yes we did talk about this yaso, adding mental models as examples in the glossary.

Eric Stephan: yes we did talk about this yaso, adding mental models as examples in the glossary.

16:47:24 <phila> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

16:47:24 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to make a suggestion (we could do both)

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to make a suggestion (we could do both)

16:47:30 <deirdrelee> zakim, open queue

Deirdre Lee: zakim, open queue

16:47:30 <Zakim> ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is open

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is open

16:47:31 <ericstephan> OPEN THE QUEUE

Eric Stephan: OPEN THE QUEUE

16:47:34 <ericstephan> :-)

Eric Stephan: :-)

16:47:37 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_:  feels trapped by the closed queue

Bernadette Farias Loscio: feels trapped by the closed queue [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:47:43 <BernadetteLoscio_> ==

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ==

16:47:58 <ericstephan> queue-straphobic

Eric Stephan: queue-straphobic

16:48:00 <BernadetteLoscio_> http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-glossary/

Bernadette Farias Loscio: http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-glossary/

16:48:02 <yaso> phila: q-

Phil Archer: q- [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:48:06 <yaso> sorry

Yaso Córdova: sorry

16:48:06 <BernadetteLoscio_> example of glossary!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: example of glossary!

16:48:07 <yaso> q-

Yaso Córdova: q-

16:48:11 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

16:48:49 <yaso> annette_g: I think we need to consider what is the audience of the glossary

Annette Greiner: I think we need to consider what is the audience of the glossary [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:49:07 <ericstephan> initially its for us, to keep us in line for what we decide as a definition... :-)

Eric Stephan: initially its for us, to keep us in line for what we decide as a definition... :-)

16:49:10 <Sumit_Purohit> q+

Sumit Purohit: q+

16:49:13 <yaso> ... if it's made for the people who are reading the document so I think that it should be separated

Yaso Córdova: ... if it's made for the people who are reading the document so I think that it should be separated

16:49:15 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g

Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g

16:49:19 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

16:49:23 <deirdrelee> ack Sumit_Purohit

Deirdre Lee: ack Sumit_Purohit

16:49:36 <yaso> Sumit_Purohit: I think the glossary is a separated material

Sumit Purohit: I think the glossary is a separated material [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:49:44 <yaso> ..I'm

Yaso Córdova: ..I'm

16:49:47 <yaso> trying to

Yaso Córdova: trying to

16:49:57 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

16:50:09 <yaso> Ok, thanks, phila!

Yaso Córdova: Ok, thanks, phila!

16:50:47 <ericstephan> q-

Eric Stephan: q-

16:50:48 <yaso> deirdre: when we have the 1st version

Deirdre Lee: when we have the 1st version [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:50:55 <yaso> ... then we can decide

Yaso Córdova: ... then we can decide

16:51:00 <yaso> .. if it is ok or not

Yaso Córdova: .. if it is ok or not

16:51:08 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

16:51:12 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee

Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee

16:51:35 <NewtonCalegari> if the glossary is a separate doc, should we remove it from BP Schedule and deal with it in a separate schedule as well?

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Unknown NewtonCalegari: if the glossary is a separate doc, should we remove it from BP Schedule and deal with it in a separate schedule as well?

16:51:48 <BernadetteLoscio_> +1 to Newton

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 to Newton

16:51:49 <yaso> ok

Yaso Córdova: ok

16:51:49 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Glossary should be separate doc from the bp doc

PROPOSED: Glossary should be separate doc from the bp doc

16:51:52 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

16:51:53 <phila> I'd say it can be FPWD when the BP doc is updated

Phil Archer: I'd say it can be FPWD when the BP doc is updated

16:51:56 <annette_g> -1 to separate schedule

Annette Greiner: -1 to separate schedule

16:51:57 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

16:52:03 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

16:52:05 <annette_g> we need to publish together

Annette Greiner: we need to publish together

16:52:07 <GiselePappa> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

16:52:11 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

16:52:12 <BernadetteLoscio_> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

16:52:13 <Caroline> +1

+1

16:52:16 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1

16:52:16 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

16:52:16 <flavio_> 0

Flavio Yanai: 0

16:52:18 <Sumit_Purohit> -1

Sumit Purohit: -1

16:52:32 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

16:52:41 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

16:52:49 <Ig_Bittencourt> and +1 to annette_g comments to do not have separate schedule.

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: and +1 to annette_g comments to do not have separate schedule.

16:52:52 <phila> PROPOSED: That the glossary is published simultaneously with the next version of the BP doc, with deep links from the BP doc to the relevant terms in the glossary

PROPOSED: That the glossary is published simultaneously with the next version of the BP doc, with deep links from the BP doc to the relevant terms in the glossary

16:52:54 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: we are discussing here that if there are 2 docs, we should have separated schedules

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we are discussing here that if there are 2 docs, we should have separated schedules [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:53:07 <annette_g> +1 to phil

Annette Greiner: +1 to phil

16:53:12 <phila> q+ to say you can't publish a doc with broken links

Phil Archer: q+ to say you can't publish a doc with broken links

16:53:14 <yaso> ... this doesn't mean they should not be published together

Yaso Córdova: ... this doesn't mean they should not be published together

16:53:17 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio_

Phil Archer: ack BernadetteLoscio_

16:53:31 <flavio_> -1

Flavio Yanai: -1

16:53:44 <phila> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

16:53:44 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to say you can't publish a doc with broken links

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to say you can't publish a doc with broken links

16:53:52 <yaso> ... it can be synchronized but I think that is another doc, that has another editor, then it should have a separated schedule

Yaso Córdova: ... it can be synchronized but I think that is another doc, that has another editor, then it should have a separated schedule

16:54:03 <Sumit_Purohit> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/glossary

Sumit Purohit: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/glossary

16:54:03 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

16:54:21 <yaso> phila: you cannot publish document in w3c without proper links

Phil Archer: you cannot publish document in w3c with broken links [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

16:54:45 <annette_g> you're breaking up

Annette Greiner: you're breaking up

16:54:47 <phila> s/without proper links/with broken links/
16:54:57 <yaso> tks phila

Yaso Córdova: tks phila

16:55:15 <yaso> Can't hear

Yaso Córdova: Can't hear

16:55:17 <yaso> ops

Yaso Córdova: ops

16:55:29 <phila> deirdrelee: We can have separate dates but they can be published together

Deirdre Lee: We can have separate dates but they can be published together [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

16:55:33 <deirdrelee> ack me

Deirdre Lee: ack me

16:55:40 <flavio_> when you publish a thesis, the glossary comes togheter

Flavio Yanai: when you publish a thesis, the glossary comes togheter

16:55:41 <BernadetteLoscio_> i agree!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: i agree!

16:55:44 <ericstephan> can we make that a proposal?

Eric Stephan: can we make that a proposal?

16:55:49 <Caroline> ok

ok

16:55:55 <phila> We're actually creating a dependency for the BP doc on the glossary - but that's OK (and quite common)

Phil Archer: We're actually creating a dependency for the BP doc on the glossary - but that's OK (and quite common)

16:56:09 <ericstephan> ok

Eric Stephan: ok

16:56:11 <phila> deirdrelee: We have a date in the schedule... let's get the revised version of the glossary completed

Deirdre Lee: We have a date in the schedule... let's get the revised version of the glossary completed [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

16:56:26 <phila> phila: I would urge Yaso to include ids for every term in the glossary

Phil Archer: I would urge Yaso to include ids for every term in the glossary [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

16:56:54 <yaso> yes!

Yaso Córdova: yes!

16:57:04 <yaso> No problem

Yaso Córdova: No problem

16:57:08 <phila> deirdrelee: Are you OK, yaso, with the date of 23 April for the updated glossary?

Deirdre Lee: Are you OK, yaso, with the date of 23 April for the updated glossary? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

16:57:29 <yaso> Yes

Yaso Córdova: Yes

16:57:40 <phila> phila: And I'll try and get that para about the mental models done by then ;-)

Phil Archer: And I'll try and get that para about the mental models done by then ;-) [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

16:57:59 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED : May 18th is the deadline for the Last review of the BP document before publishing it. 22th May Group voting the document to be published

Deirdre Lee: PROPOSED : May 18th is the deadline for the Last review of the BP document before publishing it. 22th May Group voting the document to be published

16:58:04 <yaso> Yes yes, I have full days vacation at NY to do that :-D

Yaso Córdova: Yes yes, I have full days vacation at NY to do that :-D

16:58:09 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

16:58:09 <GiselePappa> q+

Gisele Pappa: q+

16:58:17 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

16:58:38 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

16:58:52 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

16:58:54 <flavio_> +1

Flavio Yanai: +1

16:59:01 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

16:59:02 <Sumit_Purohit> +1

Sumit Purohit: +1

16:59:03 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

16:59:06 <Caroline> +1

+1

16:59:07 <NewtonCalegari> +1

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Unknown NewtonCalegari: +1

16:59:11 <BernadetteLoscio_> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

16:59:13 <GiselePappa> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

16:59:16 <phila> ack GiselePappa

Phil Archer: ack GiselePappa

16:59:24 <deirdrelee> RESOLVED: May 18th is the deadline for the Last review of the BP document before publishing it. 22th May Group voting the document to be published

RESOLVED: May 18th is the deadline for the Last review of the BP document before publishing it. 22th May Group voting the document to be published

16:59:29 <Caroline> ops

ops

16:59:34 <Caroline> the dates are wrong!

the dates are wrong!

16:59:42 <BernadetteLoscio_> 29 May 2015

Bernadette Farias Loscio: 29 May 2015

16:59:51 <Caroline> Second Draft of DWBP Document 	  18 May 2015 	  Freeze the document to be reviewed by the group before publishing it 	 	  Second Draft of DWBP Document 	  22 May 2015 	  Last feedback from the group before publishing it 	 	  Second Draft of DWBP Document 	  29 May 2015 	  Group voting the document

Second Draft of DWBP Document 18 May 2015 Freeze the document to be reviewed by the group before publishing it Second Draft of DWBP Document 29 May 2015 Last feedback from the group before publishing it Second Draft of DWBP Document 29 May 2015 Group voting the document

17:00:28 <phila> s/22 May/29 May/
17:00:46 <annette_g> draft proposal: adopt the schedule on the wiki

Annette Greiner: draft proposal: adopt the schedule on the wiki

17:00:57 <Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule

https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule

17:01:01 <yaso> I quit from scribbing

Yaso Córdova: I quit from scribbing

17:01:11 <phila> CHAIR INTERRUPT - It was just a typo in the resolution - now fixed

Phil Archer: CHAIR INTERRUPT - It was just a typo in the resolution - now fixed

17:01:20 <phila> Topic: Data Usage Vocabulary

6. Data Usage Vocabulary

17:01:28 <phila> deirdrelee: We have 3 hours left including lunch/dinner

Deirdre Lee: We have 3 hours left including lunch/dinner [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

17:01:41 <phila> deirdrelee: Goals - address as many issues as we can

Deirdre Lee: Goals - address as many issues as we can [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

17:01:45 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

17:01:49 <phila> deirdrelee: Build the DUV team

Deirdre Lee: Build the DUV team [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

17:01:55 <phila> ... look at the schedule

Phil Archer: ... look at the schedule

17:01:55 <yaso> q+

Yaso Córdova: q+

17:01:56 <ericstephan> sounds like a plan!

Eric Stephan: sounds like a plan!

17:02:20 <phila> deirdrelee: Yesterday we had 90 min lunch - we can't afford that. 40 mins max today

Deirdre Lee: Yesterday we had 90 min lunch - we can't afford that. 40 mins max today [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

17:02:24 <BernadetteLoscio_> q-

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q-

17:02:33 <ericstephan> we are kind of stuck with the accommodations here

Eric Stephan: we are kind of stuck with the accommodations here

17:02:47 <yaso> q-

Yaso Córdova: q-

17:03:09 <yaso> Agrees with deirdre that we have to stick with the agenda

Yaso Córdova: Agrees with deirdre that we have to stick with the agenda

17:04:21 <yaso> I propose that we go for lunch now

Yaso Córdova: I propose that we go for lunch now

17:04:33 <yaso> And then go back to the data enrichment topic

Yaso Córdova: And then go back to the data enrichment topic

17:04:34 <Caroline> +1 to yaso proposal

+1 to yaso proposal

17:04:44 <Caroline> +10 to yaso proposal

+10 to yaso proposal

17:04:45 <Ig_Bittencourt> 0

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: 0

17:05:19 <yaso> phila: you are scribing?

Phil Archer: you are scribing? [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

17:05:22 <ericstephan> https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit?usp=sharing

Eric Stephan: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit?usp=sharing

17:06:08 <phila> ericstephan: I wanted to go over some of the issues that Dee and I have been talking about

Eric Stephan: I wanted to go over some of the issues that Dee and I have been talking about [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

17:06:12 <phila> scribe: phila

(Scribe set to Phil Archer)

17:06:32 <phila> ericstephan: Some of the notes are not up to date but it shows the kind of thing we've been looking at

Eric Stephan: Some of the notes are not up to date but it shows the kind of thing we've been looking at

17:07:29 <phila> ericstephan: First thing I wanted to mention... we need another editor - Sumit

Eric Stephan: First thing I wanted to mention... we need another editor - Sumit

17:07:38 <phila> ... Is this OK with the team?

... Is this OK with the team?

17:07:52 <deirdrelee> +1 :)

Deirdre Lee: +1 :)

17:07:55 <phila> ... Sumit is a good fit for this team as he and I are working on the same schedule

... Sumit is a good fit for this team as he and I are working on the same schedule

17:08:01 <Caroline> +1 to Sumit_Purohit as a editor of the data usage vocabulary document

Caroline Burle: +1 to Sumit_Purohit as a editor of the data usage vocabulary document

17:08:09 <phila> ... so there's joint motivation, and offers a pair of fresh eyes

... so there's joint motivation, and offers a pair of fresh eyes

17:08:33 <phila> ... in order to make him editor, do we need to make a proposal?

... in order to make him editor, do we need to make a proposal?

17:08:38 <phila> phila: No - go for it

Phil Archer: No - go for it

17:09:02 <phila> ericstephan: So I'd like Berna, Sumit and I to walk through https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit#

Eric Stephan: So I'd like Berna, Sumit and I to walk through https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit#

17:09:53 <phila> ericstephan: We've been talking about data, datasets... it hit me that we're talking about ??

Eric Stephan: We've been talking about data, datasets... it hit me that we're talking about dataset usage

17:10:35 <phila> ericstephan: So I edited the first two paras to talk about datasets, not data

Eric Stephan: So I edited the first two paras to talk about datasets, not data

17:10:44 <phila> s/??/dataset usage//
17:10:46 <phila> s/??/dataset usage/
17:10:50 <annette_g> +1 to Eric

Annette Greiner: +1 to Eric

17:11:41 <phila> PROPOSED: That the 'Data Usage Vocaulary' be renamed the 'Dataset Usage Vocabulary'

PROPOSED: That the 'Data Usage Vocaulary' be renamed the 'Dataset Usage Vocabulary'

17:11:47 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

17:11:48 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1 to ericstephan about talk about datasets.

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1 to ericstephan about talk about datasets.

17:11:51 <phila> +1

+1

17:11:52 <NewtonCalegari> +1

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Unknown NewtonCalegari: +1

17:11:54 <Sumit_Purohit> +1

Sumit Purohit: +1

17:11:54 <BernadetteLoscio_> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

17:12:01 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

17:12:03 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1

17:12:04 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

17:12:06 <makx> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

17:12:09 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

17:12:11 <phila> RESOLVED: That the 'Data Usage Vocaulary' be renamed the 'Dataset Usage Vocabulary'

RESOLVED: That the 'Data Usage Vocaulary' be renamed the 'Dataset Usage Vocabulary'

17:12:22 <phila> BernadetteLoscio_: If we keep this in mind, it can help the BP doc

Bernadette Farias Loscio: If we keep this in mind, it can help the BP doc

17:12:37 <phila> ... it will be more concrete to apply the BPs

... it will be more concrete to apply the BPs

17:12:46 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

17:12:52 <makx> zakim, ipcaller is me

Makx Dekkers: zakim, ipcaller is me

17:12:52 <Zakim> +makx; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +makx; got it

17:13:21 <phila> ericstephan: What occurred to me was that we can talk about datasets in the abstract, as a logical unit

Eric Stephan: What occurred to me was that we can talk about datasets in the abstract, as a logical unit

17:13:34 <phila> q+ to make a slightly different proposal on the name

q+ to make a slightly different proposal on the name

17:13:43 <annette_g> lots of nodding going on here

Annette Greiner: lots of nodding going on here

17:13:49 <phila> ack me

ack me

17:13:49 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to make a slightly different proposal on the name

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to make a slightly different proposal on the name

17:14:20 <phila> my proposal - the Dataset Usage and Citation Vocabulary

my proposal - the Dataset Usage and Citation Vocabulary

17:15:18 <yaso> think it needs more reading on that so we can vote

Yaso Córdova: think it needs more reading on that so we can vote

17:15:21 <phila> phila: Talks about sci data publishing

Phil Archer: Talks about sci data publishing

17:15:38 <phila> ericstephan: Can we defer that discission until we've been through the model

Eric Stephan: Can we defer that discission until we've been through the model

17:15:42 <phila> phila: Of course

Phil Archer: Of course

17:15:49 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

17:16:04 <phila> ericstephan: One of the things at the top of the doc - a bunch of observations

Eric Stephan: One of the things at the top of the doc - a bunch of observations

17:16:08 <Ig_Bittencourt> I could not understand phil's proposal.

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: I could not understand phil's proposal.

17:16:27 <Ig_Bittencourt> But OK to skip this discussion to later on.

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: But OK to skip this discussion to later on.

17:16:39 <phila> This is hte doc that has Turtle/JSON-LD switch http://w3c.github.io/data-shapes/data-shapes-primer/

This is hte doc that has Turtle/JSON-LD switch http://w3c.github.io/data-shapes/data-shapes-primer/

17:17:01 <phila> ericstephan: I like that because it gives the impression that it's not all about Sem Web

Eric Stephan: I like that because it gives the impression that it's not all about Sem Web

17:17:13 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/153

Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/153

17:17:18 <phila> ericstephan: I'd like to also raise the issue of open and closed data - does the vocab change depending on that?

Eric Stephan: I'd like to also raise the issue of open and closed data - does the vocab change depending on that?

17:17:43 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

17:17:49 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

17:17:52 <Ig_Bittencourt> Thanks deirdrelee.

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: Thanks deirdrelee.

17:17:54 <phila> q+

q+

17:17:54 <ericstephan> ack deirdrelee

Eric Stephan: ack deirdrelee

17:18:07 <Ig_Bittencourt> Thanks Caroline. I am happy to be with you all, even by distance.

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: Thanks Caroline. I am happy to be with you all, even by distance.

17:18:14 <Caroline> thank you ericstephan, great explanation!

Caroline Burle: thank you ericstephan, great explanation!

17:18:34 <phila> deirdrelee: So you mean closed because it's behind a firewall, or legally encumbered or whatever

Deirdre Lee: So you mean closed because it's behind a firewall, or legally encumbered or whatever

17:18:37 <annette_g> * waves at Ig

Annette Greiner: * waves at Ig

17:18:56 <phila> ericstephan: Phil crafted a short section about closed data in the UCR

Eric Stephan: Phil crafted a short section about closed data in the UCR

17:19:03 <Ig_Bittencourt> :)

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: :)

17:19:20 <phila> ... one of the things in the DUV - some things in the BP talk about when data isn't available

... one of the things in the DUV - some things in the BP talk about when data isn't available

17:19:22 <deirdrelee> http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#a-word-on-open-and-closed-data

Deirdre Lee: http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#a-word-on-open-and-closed-data

17:19:24 <phila> q-

q-

17:19:30 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

17:19:33 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

17:19:40 <phila> ack annette_g

ack annette_g

17:19:41 <ericstephan> ack annette_g

Eric Stephan: ack annette_g

17:19:42 <Caroline> ericstephan: would be the difference between open data regarding the concept of the 5 stars and closed data as data that are not inclued on this concept?

Eric Stephan: would be the difference between open data regarding the concept of the 5 stars and closed data as data that are not inclued on this concept? [ Scribe Assist by Caroline Burle ]

17:19:42 <deirdrelee> +1 for including closed data

Deirdre Lee: +1 for including closed data

17:20:02 <phila> annette_g: Just to clarify - do you mean datasets that may or may not be open?

Annette Greiner: Just to clarify - do you mean datasets that may or may not be open?

17:20:22 <phila> ericstephan: We might have been working on proprietary projects behind the firewall

Eric Stephan: We might have been working on proprietary projects behind the firewall

17:20:33 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

17:20:46 <phila> ericstephan: One of the first use cases in the doc was about different jurisdictions having different levels of sharing

Eric Stephan: One of the first use cases in the doc was about different jurisdictions having different levels of sharing

17:21:27 <phila> ericstephan: I don't think this is sophisticated, just a couple of classes to formalise it

Eric Stephan: I don't think this is sophisticated, just a couple of classes to formalise it

17:21:29 <deirdrelee> q+ to say that closed data should be specifically mentioned in scope

Deirdre Lee: q+ to say that closed data should be specifically mentioned in scope

17:21:29 <phila> q?

q?

17:21:32 <ericstephan> ack

Eric Stephan: ack

17:21:38 <Caroline> +q

Caroline Burle: +q

17:21:38 <deirdrelee> ack laufer

Deirdre Lee: ack laufer

17:21:39 <phila> ack l

ack l

17:21:41 <Caroline> q+

Caroline Burle: q+

17:22:32 <Ig_Bittencourt> According to the concept of closed data in de ucr doc, it is also related to the concept of deep web - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Web

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: According to the concept of closed data in de ucr doc, it is also related to the concept of deep web - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Web

17:22:44 <phila> ericstephan: The DUV is more about capturing feedback, providing info to publishers, not so much for machines

Eric Stephan: The DUV is more about capturing feedback, providing info to publishers, not so much for machines

17:22:53 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

17:22:57 <deirdrelee> q-

Deirdre Lee: q-

17:23:10 <Sumit_Purohit> +q

Sumit Purohit: +q

17:23:19 <Caroline> q-

Caroline Burle: q-

17:23:48 <ericstephan> ack

Eric Stephan: ack

17:23:57 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g

Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g

17:24:11 <phila> annette_g: It's important where I work to be able to say that some work you have dine has been cited by other researchers

Annette Greiner: It's important where I work to be able to say that some work you have dine has been cited by other researchers

17:24:21 <phila> ... by the DoE or whoever

... by the DoE or whoever

17:25:05 <phila> ... you may do things at your end to make it easy to use but without a way to report back you won't know

... you may do things at your end to make it easy to use but without a way to report back you won't know

17:25:23 <ericstephan> ack

Eric Stephan: ack

17:25:24 <phila> ... as the person publishing the original work, I don't know whether you have used my data or not

... as the person publishing the original work, I don't know whether you have used my data or not

17:25:28 <phila> ack Sumit_Purohit

ack Sumit_Purohit

17:26:10 <phila> Sumit_Purohit: I want to capture what the use is. We staretd with the UCR, if it's BP for publishing, then how many times it has been used is not part of the publisher's BP

Sumit Purohit: I want to capture what the use is. We staretd with the UCR, if it's BP for publishing, then how many times it has been used is not part of the publisher's BP

17:26:44 <phila> Sumit_Purohit: Publishgers don't just vocabs, they provide a feedback mechanism, even if it's just a natural language field

Sumit Purohit: Publishgers don't just vocabs, they provide a feedback mechanism, even if it's just a natural language field

17:26:46 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

17:27:14 <ericstephan> ack BernadetteLoscio_

Eric Stephan: ack BernadetteLoscio_

17:27:29 <phila> Sorry, Sumit, I lost that

Sorry, Sumit, I lost that

17:27:31 <ericstephan> sorry BernadetteLoscio you are next

Eric Stephan: sorry BernadetteLoscio you are next

17:27:42 <phila> annette_g: Publishers wnat to know that fact that their data has been used at all

Annette Greiner: Publishers want to know that fact that their data has been used at all

17:28:05 <phila> Sumit_Purohit: If you know the exact usage then you can create a template

Sumit Purohit: If you know the exact usage then you can create a template

17:28:12 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/wnat/want
17:28:36 <phila> annette_g: If you're the original publisher... how do they find out that it's been used

Annette Greiner: If you're the original publisher... how do they find out that it's been used

17:29:01 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

17:29:03 <phila> ericstephan: I think we're going as far as making it possible

Eric Stephan: I think we're going as far as making it possible

17:29:25 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

17:29:37 <phila> Sumit_Purohit: If you share someething on G+ or facebook, you get feedback - you know if it's shared

Sumit Purohit: If you share someething on G+ or facebook, you get feedback - you know if it's shared

17:29:55 <phila> Sumit_Purohit: That kind of mechanism would be good

Sumit Purohit: That kind of mechanism would be good

17:30:03 <phila> ... it requires that every usage has its own identifier

... it requires that every usage has its own identifier

17:30:46 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: The BP in the doc we say that the publisher should provide a feedback mechanism so we'll link to the DUV

Bernadette Farias Loscio: The BP in the doc we say that the publisher should provide a feedback mechanism so we'll link to the DUV

17:30:59 <Ig_Bittencourt> I remember a discussion in this way, related to pingbak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pingback) and semantic pingbak (http://aksw.org/Projects/SemanticPingback.html)

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: I remember a discussion in this way, related to pingback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pingback) and semantic pingback (http://aksw.org/Projects/SemanticPingback.html)

17:31:18 <ericstephan> ack laufer

Eric Stephan: ack laufer

17:31:27 <deirdrelee> q-

Deirdre Lee: q-

17:31:30 <ericstephan> phila: ok

Phil Archer: ok [ Scribe Assist by Eric Stephan ]

17:31:43 <Ig_Bittencourt> Perhap a BP could be to apply some pingback mecanism.

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: Perhap a BP could be to apply some pingback mecanism.

17:31:51 <ericstephan> can we propose something briefly?  attempt?

Eric Stephan: can we propose something briefly? attempt?

17:31:51 <Ig_Bittencourt> s/perhap/perhaps
17:32:15 <phila> ericstephan: I'd like to resolve the open/closed data issue

Eric Stephan: I'd like to resolve the open/closed data issue

17:32:16 <Ig_Bittencourt> s/pingbak/pingback
17:32:17 <ericstephan> PROPOSED:  Explore the inclusion of open/closed data indicators in the data usage vocabulary.

PROPOSED: Explore the inclusion of open/closed data indicators in the data usage vocabulary.

17:32:23 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

17:32:26 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1

17:32:27 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

17:32:28 <GiselePappa> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

17:32:31 <flavio_> +1

Flavio Yanai: +1

17:32:31 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

17:32:32 <Sumit_Purohit> +1

Sumit Purohit: +1

17:32:33 <NewtonCalegari> +1

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17:32:37 <laufer> phil, I am saying that for open data is difficult to have a way to identify the usage

Carlos Laufer: phil, I am saying that for open data is difficult to have a way to identify the usage

17:33:00 <annette_g> gee, I wish there were a vocabulary for that

Annette Greiner: gee, I wish there were a vocabulary for that

17:33:19 <laufer> when we have ids for users, or controlled data provided by apis we can control this... but with open data is difficult...

Carlos Laufer: when we have ids for users, or controlled data provided by apis we can control this... but with open data is difficult...

17:33:30 <phila> PROPOSED:  Include open/closed data indicators in the data usage vocabulary.

PROPOSED: Include open/closed data indicators in the data usage vocabulary.

17:33:34 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

17:33:34 <Caroline> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

17:33:36 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

17:33:37 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

17:33:38 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

17:33:44 <flavio_> +1

Flavio Yanai: +1

17:33:45 <ericstephan> thank you :-)

Eric Stephan: thank you :-)

17:33:45 <GiselePappa> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

17:33:47 <phila> q+

q+

17:33:48 <laufer> +a

Carlos Laufer: +a

17:33:49 <Sumit_Purohit> +1

Sumit Purohit: +1

17:33:54 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

17:33:55 <ericstephan> ack phila

Eric Stephan: ack phila

17:36:13 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

17:36:29 <Sumit_Purohit> +1 for Phil's point.....we need to look into this

Sumit Purohit: +1 for Phil's point.....we need to look into this

17:36:42 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

17:36:47 <phila> phila: I undertsand now - it's whether the feedback that the data has been used is public or not

Phil Archer: I undertsand now - it's whether the feedback that the data has been used is public or not

17:36:59 <deirdrelee> q-

Deirdre Lee: q-

17:37:07 <phila> phila: That makes sense.

Phil Archer: That makes sense.

17:37:20 <phila> PROPOSED: Include open/closed indicators for feedback/usage info in the data usage vocabulary.

PROPOSED: Include open/closed indicators for feedback/usage info in the data usage vocabulary.

17:37:32 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

17:37:42 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

17:37:43 <Ig_Bittencourt_> 0

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: 0

17:38:05 <ericstephan> protecting feedback and constraining usage information

Eric Stephan: protecting feedback and constraining usage information

17:38:10 <phila> +1

+1

17:38:20 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

17:39:02 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

17:39:36 <Caroline> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

17:39:54 <phila> RESOLVED: Include open/closed indicators for feedback/usage info in the data usage vocabulary.

RESOLVED: Include open/closed indicators for feedback/usage info in the data usage vocabulary.

17:39:57 <makx> some feedback serives ask you two questions: 1. do you want your feedback to be visible and 2. do you want your name to be visible or make the feedback anonymously

Makx Dekkers: some feedback serives ask you two questions: 1. do you want your feedback to be visible and 2. do you want your name to be visible or make the feedback anonymously

17:40:07 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes

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17:40:12 <yaso> 40 minutes

Yaso Córdova: 40 minutes

17:40:14 <yaso> ?

Yaso Córdova: ?

17:40:21 <yaso> 1h?

Yaso Córdova: 1h?

17:40:33 <phila> deirdrelee: We'll break for lunch. We will finsih at 15:00 Austin (21:00 Ipswich, 22:00 Barcelona)

Deirdre Lee: We'll break for lunch. We will finsih at 15:00 Austin (21:00 Ipswich, 22:00 Barcelona)

17:40:50 <phila> We'll try and rush lunch

We'll try and rush lunch

17:40:57 <phila> deirdrelee: So we'll aim for 20 past the hour

Deirdre Lee: So we'll aim for 20 past the hour

17:41:02 <phila> to reconvene

to reconvene

17:41:06 <phila> ==LUNCH==

==LUNCH==

17:41:06 <Caroline> thank you!

Caroline Burle: thank you!

17:41:07 <Sumit_Purohit> +1 laufer  . consumer knowing feedback is open/close also affects the feedback level

Sumit Purohit: +1 laufer . consumer knowing feedback is open/close also affects the feedback level

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17:41:11 <Ig_Bittencourt_> by

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: by

17:41:12 <Ig_Bittencourt_> bye

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: bye

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17:45:42 <Zakim> -Austin

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18:28:05 <phila> zakim, Ipswich has deirdrelee, riccardoAlbertoni, phila

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18:42:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ipswich

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18:43:27 <GiselePappa> Hi all, most of us are still at lunch, we split to get things faster

Gisele Pappa: Hi all, most of us are still at lunch, we split to get things faster

18:44:27 <phila> OK... we have a hard finish in 75 mins - but that doesn't stop you carrying on ;-)

OK... we have a hard finish in 75 mins - but that doesn't stop you carrying on ;-)

18:48:33 <ericstephan> would it be possible to continue discussing the data usage vocabulary at Friday's call if we run out of time?

Eric Stephan: would it be possible to continue discussing the data usage vocabulary at Friday's call if we run out of time?

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18:50:16 <yaso> We're back

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18:52:09 <phila> Topic: Restarting

7. Restarting

18:52:34 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

18:52:39 <phila> deirdrelee: Explains that we have just over an hour to go in Ipswich. After that, the folks in Austin can decide if t hey want to continue

Deirdre Lee: Explains that we have just over an hour to go in Ipswich. After that, the folks in Austin can decide if t hey want to continue

18:52:43 <phila> ack ericstephan

ack ericstephan

18:53:12 <phila> ericstephan: Will it be possible to continue the DUV issues on Friday's meeting?

Eric Stephan: Will it be possible to continue the DUV issues on Friday's meeting?

18:53:31 <GiselePappa> deirdrelee: Are we talking about data enrichment? It is really important to our group to have a position from the WG

Deirdre Lee: Are we talking about data enrichment? It is really important to our group to have a position from the WG [ Scribe Assist by Gisele Pappa ]

18:53:31 <phila> deirdrelee: Yes, of course. friday meetings will focus on the issues and revise the actions

Deirdre Lee: Yes, of course. friday meetings will focus on the issues and revise the actions

18:53:56 <phila> deirdrelee: Friday meetings will be dedicated to each of the docs - i.e. one doc per meeting

Deirdre Lee: Friday meetings will be dedicated to each of the docs - i.e. one doc per meeting

18:54:14 <phila> deirdrelee: So this Friday - if we have a meeting - we could focus on DUV

Deirdre Lee: So this Friday - if we have a meeting - we could focus on DUV

18:54:27 <phila> ... but while so many folk are together, it's quicker than on the call

... but while so many folk are together, it's quicker than on the call

18:55:02 <phila> ... I'll leave it to you Eric. I'll interrupt at 10 to the hour to wrap up the meeting

... I'll leave it to you Eric. I'll interrupt at 10 to the hour to wrap up the meeting

18:55:34 <phila> deirdrelee: We had enrichment in the agendsa but we didn't get to it. You can discuss it after 15:00 Texas time or on Friday, but not in the next hour

Deirdre Lee: We had enrichment in the agendsa but we didn't get to it. You can discuss it after 15:00 Texas time or on Friday, but not in the next hour

18:55:34 <ericstephan> draft data vocab document:  https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit?usp=sharing

Eric Stephan: draft data vocab document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit?usp=sharing

18:55:41 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

18:56:00 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/154

Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/154

18:56:29 <phila> issue-154?

ISSUE-154?

18:56:29 <trackbot_> issue-154 -- Handling data usage references to collection of datasets -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-154 -- Handling data usage references to collection of datasets -- open

18:56:29 <trackbot> issue-154 -- Handling data usage references to collection of datasets -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-154 -- Handling data usage references to collection of datasets -- open

18:56:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/154

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/154

18:56:29 <trackbot_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/154

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/154

18:57:01 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

18:57:06 <phila> ericstephan: I'd like to close this, but I'd like to have subclasses that may be more specialised

Eric Stephan: I'd like to close this, but I'd like to have subclasses that may be more specialised

18:57:17 <Sumit_Purohit> +q

Sumit Purohit: +q

18:57:26 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: The idea was to have feedback on the dataset or parts of the dataset

Bernadette Farias Loscio: The idea was to have feedback on the dataset or parts of the dataset

18:57:40 <phila> ack Sumit_Purohit

ack Sumit_Purohit

18:58:07 <ericstephan> PROPOSED:  Close http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/154 because a dataset is a collection of data.

PROPOSED: Close http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/154 because a dataset is a collection of data.

18:58:15 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

18:58:22 <phila> Sumit_Purohit: In addition to what Eric was saying, DCAT says a dataset is a collection of things. Anyone can say things about a collection

Sumit Purohit: In addition to what Eric was saying, DCAT says a dataset is a collection of things. Anyone can say things about a collection

18:58:28 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

18:58:48 <phila> ... on the top classes thing... (sorry, lost it)

... on the top classes thing... (sorry, lost it)

18:59:23 <phila> Sumit_Purohit: WE have an issue about the classes and properties - even among the 3 of use we have things to discuss

Sumit Purohit: WE have an issue about the classes and properties - even among the 3 of use we have things to discuss

18:59:28 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: See section 5

Bernadette Farias Loscio: See section 5

18:59:48 <Sumit_Purohit> +1 for closing this issue

Sumit Purohit: +1 for closing this issue

19:00:04 <phila> PROPOSED:  Close Issue-154 because a dataset is a collection of data.

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-154 because a dataset is a collection of data.

19:00:21 <Sumit_Purohit> +1

Sumit Purohit: +1

19:01:02 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

19:01:05 <phila> +1

+1

19:01:30 <phila> RESOLVED: Close Issue-154 because a dataset is a collection of data.

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-154 because a dataset is a collection of data.

19:01:37 <phila> close issue-154

close ISSUE-154

19:01:37 <trackbot> Closed issue-154.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-154.

19:01:37 <trackbot_> Closed issue-154.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-154.

19:01:49 <Caroline> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

19:02:50 <deirdrelee> issue-155?

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-155?

19:02:50 <trackbot> issue-155 -- Target audience for vocabulary -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-155 -- Target audience for vocabulary -- open

19:02:50 <trackbot_> issue-155 -- Target audience for vocabulary -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-155 -- Target audience for vocabulary -- open

19:02:50 <trackbot_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/155

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/155

19:02:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/155

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/155

19:03:03 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/155

Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/155

19:03:11 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

19:03:15 <phila> ericstephan: Scrolling down to Intro and Audeince

Eric Stephan: Scrolling down to Intro and Audeince

19:03:16 <ericstephan> ack

Eric Stephan: ack

19:03:18 <ericstephan> ack annette_g

Eric Stephan: ack annette_g

19:03:27 <phila> ericstephan: Talks about the fact that the BP doc is aimed at publishers

Eric Stephan: Talks about the fact that the BP doc is aimed at publishers

19:03:42 <phila> annette_g: I think the audience for this doc is users

Annette Greiner: I think the audience for this doc is users

19:03:48 <phila> q+

q+

19:04:10 <yaso> phila: we agree that there are no users. Just data consumers :-)

Phil Archer: we agree that there are no users. Just data consumers :-) [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

19:04:32 <phila> annette_g: From my own POV, you put data on the Web for other people to use, but I want to see how people are using it and that requires them to use something like the DUV

Annette Greiner: From my own POV, you put data on the Web for other people to use, but I want to see how people are using it and that requires them to use something like the DUV

19:04:32 <yaso> oops it was for annette_g

Yaso Córdova: oops it was for annette_g

19:04:36 <Sumit_Purohit> +q

Sumit Purohit: +q

19:04:42 <phila> ack me

ack me

19:04:48 <ericstephan> ack phila

Eric Stephan: ack phila

19:05:51 <phila> phila: It is in the interests of publishers ot make it easy to use the DUV, so they too are part of the audience

Phil Archer: It is in the interests of publishers ot make it easy to use the DUV, so they too are part of the audience

19:05:58 <deirdrelee> q+ to say bp doc audience is ' those who publish data on the Web. '

Deirdre Lee: q+ to say bp doc audience is ' those who publish data on the Web. '

19:06:19 <phila> "This vocabulary also recommends and requires data publishers to provide a mechanism of  receiving data usage from data consumers in the form of feedback,citation and data correction.

"This vocabulary also recommends and requires data publishers to provide a mechanism of receiving data usage from data consumers in the form of feedback,citation and data correction.

19:06:19 <phila> "

"

19:06:24 <annette_g> PROPOSED: that the primary audience for the DUV is consumers of data and that data publishers are also in the audience.

PROPOSED: that the primary audience for the DUV is consumers of data and that data publishers are also in the audience.

19:06:33 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

19:06:46 <deirdrelee> -1

Deirdre Lee: -1

19:06:49 <phila> ack Sumit_Purohit

ack Sumit_Purohit

19:06:59 <ericstephan> ack Sumit_Purohit

Eric Stephan: ack Sumit_Purohit

19:07:21 <laufer> -1

Carlos Laufer: -1

19:07:43 <phila> PROPOSED: That the purpose of the DUV is to foster mutually beneficial communication between data publishers and users and therefore the audience for this document is both

PROPOSED: That the purpose of the DUV is to foster mutually beneficial communication between data publishers and users and therefore the audience for this document is both

19:08:15 <phila> ericstephan: If user A is doing something with their data and they can provide user info to user B, it's not something that can be published formnally but it is data that can be shared

Eric Stephan: If user A is doing something with their data and they can provide user info to user B, it's not something that can be published formnally but it is data that can be shared

19:08:37 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

19:08:38 <phila> (Can't hear Sumit)

(Can't hear Sumit)

19:08:41 <laufer> phil, I think other metadata types also foster the communication...

Carlos Laufer: phil, I think other metadata types also foster the communication...

19:09:04 <laufer> oh...

Carlos Laufer: oh...

19:09:16 <laufer> I am talkim about the proposal

Carlos Laufer: I am talkim about the proposal

19:09:21 <laufer> talking

Carlos Laufer: talking

19:09:23 <phila> Then change it... :-)

Then change it... :-)

19:09:32 <phila> q?

q?

19:09:34 <phila> ack deirdrelee

ack deirdrelee

19:09:34 <Zakim> deirdrelee, you wanted to say bp doc audience is ' those who publish data on the Web. '

Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee, you wanted to say bp doc audience is ' those who publish data on the Web. '

19:09:42 <Sumit_Purohit> sumit: We should provide examples of "collaborator" in the docuement

Sumit Purohit: We should provide examples of "collaborator" in the docuement [ Scribe Assist by Sumit Purohit ]

19:09:56 <deirdrelee> http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#audience

Deirdre Lee: http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#audience

19:10:01 <phila> deirdrelee: I think we had a similar discussion about the BP doc

Deirdre Lee: I think we had a similar discussion about the BP doc

19:10:38 <phila> ... the audience was mainly publishers. To me, the DUV is mainly by publishers to facilitate users to provide feedback, but the publishers are the key ones

... the audience was mainly publishers. To me, the DUV is mainly by publishers to facilitate users to provide feedback, but the publishers are the key ones

19:11:02 <phila> ... it's a metadata spec. It's up to the publishers to provide the interfaces using the vocab

... it's a metadata spec. It's up to the publishers to provide the interfaces using the vocab

19:11:17 <phila> ... users don't need to know the spec - publishers do

... users don't need to know the spec - publishers do

19:11:40 <phila> ericstephan: I know wjere you're coming from. I agree - it's more of an AND than an OR

Eric Stephan: I know where you're coming from. I agree - it's more of an AND than an OR

19:11:59 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

19:12:21 <Caroline> s/wjere/where
19:12:35 <phila> ericstephan: You can have publishers and producers, who may want usage info... more like a collaborator... I'm not disagreeing - it can be for any community

Eric Stephan: You can have publishers and producers, who may want usage info... more like a collaborator... I'm not disagreeing - it can be for any community

19:12:38 <phila> deirdrelee: OK

Deirdre Lee: OK

19:12:44 <phila> q?

q?

19:12:47 <phila> ack a

ack a

19:12:47 <BernadetteLoscio> q-

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q-

19:13:28 <phila> annette_g: The question about collaborators to report their uses or make data available... if you're actually collaborating, youj probably already know each other

Annette Greiner: The question about collaborators to report their uses or make data available... if you're actually collaborating, you probably already know each other

19:13:40 <phila> ... I;m not sure that it's a separate use case

... I;m not sure that it's a separate use case

19:14:01 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/youj/you
19:14:01 <phila> ... I think I'd agree with Deirdre that hte publishers have to take the first actions to make this work

... I think I'd agree with Deirdre that hte publishers have to take the first actions to make this work

19:14:17 <phila> annette_g: My feeling is that it's both

Annette Greiner: My feeling is that it's both

19:14:52 <phila> annette_g: And to Eric, I think you become the publisher - I don't mean random House, I mean people hsoting the data

Annette Greiner: And to Eric, I think you become the publisher - I don't mean random House, I mean people hosting the data

19:14:56 <phila> q?

q?

19:15:11 <Caroline> s/hsoting/hosting
19:16:07 <yaso> find terms that need to be in the glossary

Yaso Córdova: find terms that need to be in the glossary

19:16:12 <ericstephan> ack BernadetteLoscio

Eric Stephan: ack BernadetteLoscio

19:16:13 <phila> ericstephan: I think part of our job will be to define terms that need to be in the glossasry

Eric Stephan: I think part of our job will be to define terms that need to be in the glossasry

19:17:09 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: the glossary should be a collaborative work

Bernadette Farias Loscio: the glossary should be a collaborative work [ Scribe Assist by Caroline Burle ]

19:17:32 <Caroline> ... as the audience we keep both

Caroline Burle: ... as the audience we keep both

19:17:50 <annette_g> s/hosting/posting/
19:18:24 <Caroline> deirdrelee: does ericstephan think the editors have enough answers?

Deirdre Lee: does ericstephan think the editors have enough answers? [ Scribe Assist by Caroline Burle ]

19:18:31 <Caroline> ericstephan: yes, we can close it

Eric Stephan: yes, we can close it [ Scribe Assist by Caroline Burle ]

19:18:34 <phila> issue-155?

ISSUE-155?

19:18:34 <trackbot> issue-155 -- Target audience for vocabulary -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-155 -- Target audience for vocabulary -- open

19:18:34 <trackbot_> issue-155 -- Target audience for vocabulary -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-155 -- Target audience for vocabulary -- open

19:18:34 <trackbot_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/155

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/155

19:18:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/155

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/155

19:18:47 <ericstephan>  http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/156

Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/156

19:19:05 <phila> PROPOSED: Close Issue-155 as the audince is both publishers and consumers

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-155 as the audience is both publishers and consumers

19:19:16 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

19:19:16 <phila> +1

+1

19:19:18 <Caroline> s/audince/audience
19:19:19 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

19:19:20 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

19:19:21 <Caroline> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

19:19:24 <GiselePappa> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

19:19:24 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

19:19:26 <ericstephan> thank you phila

Eric Stephan: thank you phila

19:19:33 <phila> RESOLVED: Close Issue-155 as the audience is both publishers and consumers

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-155 as the audience is both publishers and consumers

19:19:36 <ericstephan>  http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/156

Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/156

19:19:38 <phila> close issue-155

close ISSUE-155

19:19:38 <trackbot> Closed issue-155.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-155.

19:19:38 <trackbot_> Closed issue-155.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-155.

19:19:41 <deirdrelee> issue-156?

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-156?

19:19:41 <trackbot_> issue-156 -- Protocol for referring to related efforts -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-156 -- Protocol for referring to related efforts -- open

19:19:41 <trackbot> issue-156 -- Protocol for referring to related efforts -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-156 -- Protocol for referring to related efforts -- open

19:19:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/156

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/156

19:19:41 <trackbot_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/156

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/156

19:19:55 <phila> ericstephan: How do we refer to related efforts

Eric Stephan: How do we refer to related efforts

19:20:22 <phila> ericstephan: One of the concers that I have is how to refer to other usage models...

Eric Stephan: One of the concers that I have is how to refer to other usage models...

19:20:45 <phila> ... if we reference these things in our recommendations, will we have problems with IPR etc.

... if we reference these things in our recommendations, will we have problems with IPR etc.

19:20:46 <phila> q+

q+

19:20:49 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

19:20:53 <phila> ack me

ack me

19:20:54 <ericstephan> ack phila

Eric Stephan: ack phila

19:22:52 <ericstephan> ack deirdrelee

Eric Stephan: ack deirdrelee

19:23:11 <phila> phila: This is a Note, so rulea ren't so tight, but you shouldn't refer to proprietary software or tech

Phil Archer: This is a Note, so rules aren't so tight, but you shouldn't refer to proprietary software or tech

19:23:28 <phila> phila: It depends on the circukmstanes

Phil Archer: It depends on the circumstances

19:23:41 <Caroline> s/rulea/rules
19:23:43 <phila> deirdrelee: In the DCAT-AP work, there's a lot of talk about two datasets that are related

Deirdre Lee: In the DCAT-AP work, there's a lot of talk about two datasets that are related

19:23:49 <Caroline> s/ren't/aren't
19:23:54 <yaso> s/circukmstanes/circumstances
19:24:05 <phila> ... might be worth loking at that and how they relate different datasets

... might be worth looking at that and how they relate different datasets

19:24:32 <phila> q?

q?

19:25:03 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/loking/looking
19:25:24 <phila> ericstephan: I think we can stay away from proprietary refs easily enough

Eric Stephan: I think we can stay away from proprietary refs easily enough

19:25:57 <phila> deirdrelee: We can go back to the scope. Formats out, standards in, as long as we don't close it

Deirdre Lee: We can go back to the scope. Formats out, standards in, as long as we don't close it

19:26:48 <ericstephan> CLOSE ISSUE 156

Eric Stephan: CLOSE ISSUE-156

19:27:12 <phila> Close issue-156

Close ISSUE-156

19:27:12 <trackbot> Closed issue-156.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-156.

19:27:12 <trackbot_> Closed issue-156.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-156.

19:27:12 <ericstephan> issue-156 close

Eric Stephan: ISSUE-156 close

19:27:35 <deirdrelee> issue-153?

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-153?

19:27:35 <trackbot> issue-153 -- Should open/closed data be addressed in the Data Usage Vocabulary? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-153 -- Should open/closed data be addressed in the Data Usage Vocabulary? -- open

19:27:35 <trackbot_> issue-153 -- Should open/closed data be addressed in the Data Usage Vocabulary? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-153 -- Should open/closed data be addressed in the Data Usage Vocabulary? -- open

19:27:35 <trackbot_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/153

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/153

19:27:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/153

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/153

19:27:50 <deirdrelee> close issue-153

Deirdre Lee: close ISSUE-153

19:27:50 <trackbot> Closed issue-153.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-153.

19:27:50 <trackbot_> Closed issue-153.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-153.

19:28:22 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/157

Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/157

19:28:35 <deirdrelee> issue-157?

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-157?

19:28:35 <trackbot> issue-157 -- Considering other kinds of data usage -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-157 -- Considering other kinds of data usage -- open

19:28:35 <trackbot_> issue-157 -- Considering other kinds of data usage -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-157 -- Considering other kinds of data usage -- open

19:28:35 <trackbot_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/157

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/157

19:28:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/157

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/157

19:28:57 <phila> Sumit_Purohit: We have tried to identify the relevant use cases...

Sumit Purohit: We have tried to identify the relevant use cases...

19:29:04 <phila> ... we have data being citable

... we have data being citable

19:29:18 <phila> ... usage of data, ability to get feedback

... usage of data, ability to get feedback

19:29:31 <phila> ... how it's used, was it easy to use, difficult to use etc.

... how it's used, was it easy to use, difficult to use etc.

19:29:40 <phila> ... we tried to identify all our existing use cases

... we tried to identify all our existing use cases

19:29:55 <phila> ... We think we should base it on our existing use cases

... We think we should base it on our existing use cases

19:30:06 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

19:30:14 <phila> deirdrelee: What's the question Sumit_Purohit?

Deirdre Lee: What's the question Sumit_Purohit?

19:30:22 <phila> ... do you want new use cases?

... do you want new use cases?

19:30:44 <deirdrelee> https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit

Deirdre Lee: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit

19:30:47 <ericstephan> ack laufer

Eric Stephan: ack laufer

19:32:15 <phila> laufer: Can you have a foaf:Agent that is not connected to a usage?

Carlos Laufer: Can you have a foaf:Agent that is not connected to a usage?

19:32:46 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: An application is a kind of usage

Bernadette Farias Loscio: An application is a kind of usage

19:33:04 <phila> ... We looked at how we can describe an application that uses data

... We looked at how we can describe an application that uses data

19:33:15 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: We can have other types of usage that are not here

Bernadette Farias Loscio: We can have other types of usage that are not here

19:33:18 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

19:33:24 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: You don't always have feedback

Bernadette Farias Loscio: You don't always have feedback

19:33:53 <ericstephan> q-

Eric Stephan: q-

19:34:08 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

19:34:46 <phila> (Berna and Laufer discussed further)

(Berna and Laufer discussed further)

19:34:50 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan

Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan

19:35:10 <phila> ericstephan: we don't have cardinalities yet

Eric Stephan: we don't have cardinalities yet

19:35:31 <phila> Sumit_Purohit: An issue we have seen that we want to discuss is ...

Sumit Purohit: An issue we have seen that we want to discuss is ...

19:35:45 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

19:35:51 <phila> Sorry Sumit_Purohit I missed what it was you wanted to discuss

Sorry Sumit_Purohit I missed what it was you wanted to discuss

19:35:59 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan

Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan

19:36:13 <phila> ericstephan: We have the use cases that morivate the creation of the DUV already

Eric Stephan: We have the use cases that motivate the creation of the DUV already

19:36:22 <deirdrelee> s/morivate/motivate
19:36:27 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/morivate/motivate
19:36:59 <Sumit_Purohit> q+

Sumit Purohit: q+

19:37:07 <phila> deirdrelee: We couldn't catch everything said

Deirdre Lee: We couldn't catch everything said

19:37:14 <phila> Sumit_Purohit: Let's look at 4.?.1

Sumit Purohit: Let's look at 4.3.1

19:37:34 <phila> s/?/3
19:37:47 <deirdrelee> 4.3.1 in https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit

Deirdre Lee: 4.3.1 in https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit

19:37:53 <phila> Sumit_Purohit: We are proposing to include citation as part of the usage

Sumit Purohit: We are proposing to include citation as part of the usage

19:37:56 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

19:37:58 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

19:38:04 <ericstephan> ack Sumit_Purohit

Eric Stephan: ack Sumit_Purohit

19:38:06 <phila> phila: For me it definitely is - it was a motivation for forming the WG!

Phil Archer: For me it definitely is - it was a motivation for forming the WG!

19:38:09 <BernadetteLoscio> q-

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q-

19:38:14 <BernadetteLoscio> q-

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q-

19:38:18 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan

Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan

19:38:31 <deirdrelee> trackbot,

Deirdre Lee: trackbot,

19:38:33 <phila> ericstephan: We're looking at citation. Now, citation can be used in so many ways

Eric Stephan: We're looking at citation. Now, citation can be used in so many ways

19:38:45 <phila> ericstephan: Can we see citation as a form of feedback?

Eric Stephan: Can we see citation as a form of feedback?

19:39:03 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

19:39:14 <ericstephan> ack BernadetteLoscio

Eric Stephan: ack BernadetteLoscio

19:39:28 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

19:39:29 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: If we're going to include citation - what should we provide?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: If we're going to include citation - what should we provide?

19:39:31 <phila> q+

q+

19:39:32 <yaso> q+

Yaso Córdova: q+

19:39:54 <Sumit_Purohit> +1 BernadetteLoscio

Sumit Purohit: +1 BernadetteLoscio

19:39:56 <ericstephan> ack annette_g

Eric Stephan: ack annette_g

19:40:33 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

19:40:36 <ericstephan> ack phila

Eric Stephan: ack phila

19:40:37 <yaso> q-

Yaso Córdova: q-

19:40:43 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

19:40:55 <phila> -> http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/joejimbo/HCLSDatasetDescriptions/blob/master/Overview.html

-> http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/joejimbo/HCLSDatasetDescriptions/blob/master/Overview.html

19:41:34 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

19:42:11 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio:

Bernadette Farias Loscio: [ Scribe Assist by Eric Stephan ]

19:42:14 <ericstephan> ack BernadetteLoscio

Eric Stephan: ack BernadetteLoscio

19:42:17 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio

Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio

19:42:26 <phila> phila: Banged on about dataCite, PDFs, DOIs etc.

Phil Archer: Banged on about dataCite, PDFs, DOIs etc.

19:42:37 <ericstephan> deirdrelee: I saw your note

Deirdre Lee: I saw your note [ Scribe Assist by Eric Stephan ]

19:42:43 <phila> phila: There is a lot on this already. We know how to do it, it's how we include it in the DUV

Phil Archer: There is a lot on this already. We know how to do it, it's how we include it in the DUV

19:43:15 <annette_g> q-

Annette Greiner: q-

19:43:16 <phila> ericstephan: We're not going to complete everything today.

Eric Stephan: We're not going to complete everything today.

19:43:23 <phila> ... do we have time tio talk about scheduling

... do we have time tio talk about scheduling

19:43:29 <phila> phila: is keen to talk schedules

Phil Archer: is keen to talk schedules

19:43:39 <laufer> q-

Carlos Laufer: q-

19:43:42 <phila> TopicL DUV Schedule

19:43:48 <phila> Topic: DUV Schedule

8. DUV Schedule

19:43:57 <phila> s/TopicL DUV Schedule//
19:44:28 <phila> ericstephan: You've got the UML diagram, then the classes

Eric Stephan: You've got the UML diagram, then the classes

19:44:28 <deirdrelee> uml diagram in section 6 https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit

Deirdre Lee: uml diagram in section 6 https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit

19:45:12 <deirdrelee> Data Usage schedule: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_usage_schedule

Deirdre Lee: Data Usage schedule: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_usage_schedule

19:45:18 <phila> ericstephan: We are going to need to reuse the DQV. If it's not there, we'll have to roll our own

Eric Stephan: We are going to need to reuse the DQV. If it's not there, we'll have to roll our own

19:45:47 <ericstephan> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_usage_schedule

Eric Stephan: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_usage_schedule

19:46:10 <phila> ericstephan: You'll see that the first darft of the vocab will be available tomorrow

Eric Stephan: You'll see that the first darft of the vocab will be available tomorrow

19:46:19 <phila> deirdrelee: It's there - just in  a Google doc

Deirdre Lee: It's there - just in a Google doc

19:46:38 <phila> ericstephan: By may 18, we'll have our first draft done and ready for WG review

Eric Stephan: By may 18, we'll have our first draft done and ready for WG review

19:47:12 <phila> ... so there's a lot to do

... so there's a lot to do

19:47:21 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

19:47:30 <ericstephan> ack deirdrelee

Eric Stephan: ack deirdrelee

19:47:30 <phila> Ig said yesterday that he's interested in helping

Ig said yesterday that he's interested in helping

19:48:18 <Ig_Bittencourt> Yes. I can help if you think it would be interesting.

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: Yes. I can help if you think it would be interesting.

19:48:21 <phila> phila: is willing, it's a question of availability. I am certainbly inerested in this work

Phil Archer: is willing, it's a question of availability. I am certainbly interested in this work

19:48:43 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/inerested/interested
19:48:49 <phila> I can try and take care of the citation part

I can try and take care of the citation part

19:49:04 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Over to you on that then Phil

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Over to you on that then Phil

19:49:18 <phila> 30 seconds

30 seconds

19:49:21 <deirdrelee> q+ to wrap up...

Deirdre Lee: q+ to wrap up...

19:49:42 <phila> ack deirdrelee

ack deirdrelee

19:49:42 <Zakim> deirdrelee, you wanted to wrap up...

Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee, you wanted to wrap up...

19:49:43 <ericstephan> ack deirdrelee

Eric Stephan: ack deirdrelee

19:49:59 <yaso> deirdre dont forget the data enrichnment :-D

Yaso Córdova: deirdre dont forget the data enrichnment :-D

19:50:14 <yaso> I can make it, phila

Yaso Córdova: I can make it, phila

19:50:18 <yaso> scribe: yaso

(Scribe set to Yaso Córdova)

19:50:21 <ericstephan> :-) thank you for keeping us to time deirdrelee you've been a great task master :-)

Eric Stephan: :-) thank you for keeping us to time deirdrelee you've been a great task master :-)

19:51:02 <phila> Austin is empowered to carry on talking after 15:00 local, including taking resolutions.

Phil Archer: Austin is empowered to carry on talking after 15:00 local, including taking resolutions.

19:51:04 <yaso> deirdre, do you want me to chair this last section?

deirdre, do you want me to chair this last section?

19:51:24 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?

Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is here?

19:51:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ipswich, [IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ipswich, [IPcaller]

19:51:26 <Zakim> Ipswich has deirdrelee, riccardoAlbertoni, phila

Zakim IRC Bot: Ipswich has deirdrelee, riccardoAlbertoni, phila

19:51:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see trackbot, Ig_Bittencourt, Caroline, BernadetteLoscio, yaso, NewtonCalegari, Sumit_Purohit, ericstephan, annette_g, GiselePappa, flavio, riccardoAlbertoni, phila,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see trackbot, Ig_Bittencourt, Caroline, BernadetteLoscio, yaso, NewtonCalegari, Sumit_Purohit, ericstephan, annette_g, GiselePappa, flavio, riccardoAlbertoni, phila,

19:51:26 <Zakim> ... laufer, makx, deirdrelee, Zakim, RRSAgent, rhiaro, hadleybeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: ... laufer, makx, deirdrelee, Zakim, RRSAgent, rhiaro, hadleybeeman

19:52:00 <GiselePappa> q+

Gisele Pappa: q+

19:52:11 <deirdrelee> ack GiselePappa

Deirdre Lee: ack GiselePappa

19:52:44 <deirdrelee> issue-151?

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-151?

19:52:44 <trackbot> issue-151 -- Connections of the data enrichment work of inweb (ufmg) to the deliverables of the wg -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-151 -- Connections of the data enrichment work of inweb (ufmg) to the deliverables of the wg -- open

19:52:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/151

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/151

19:52:55 <phila> Topic: Data Enrichment

9. Data Enrichment

19:52:57 <yaso> GiselePappa: just to make clear: our group entered the WG after the work began

Gisele Pappa: just to make clear: our group entered the WG after the work began

19:53:09 <GiselePappa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jnD5eiq8Xk5ftUMWWfvBb6QXI0N4igx0bbidGkzF2L0/edit?usp=sharing

Gisele Pappa: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jnD5eiq8Xk5ftUMWWfvBb6QXI0N4igx0bbidGkzF2L0/edit?usp=sharing

19:53:21 <yaso> ... we did not wanted to disturb the amazing work that you are making

... we did not wanted to disturb the amazing work that you are making

19:53:54 <yaso> ... we concluded that it was not a good idea to propose something on data enrichment

... we concluded that it was not a good idea to propose something on data enrichment

19:54:11 <yaso> ... we discussed this a little with some people of the WG

... we discussed this a little with some people of the WG

19:54:26 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

19:54:43 <yaso> ... we would like to have BP in the current document that simply says that "when you publish data you should enrich data"

... we would like to have BP in the current document that simply says that "when you publish data you should enrich data"

19:55:15 <phila> q+ to distinguish between enabling enrichment and actually enriching. Cf. data preservation

Phil Archer: q+ to distinguish between enabling enrichment and actually enriching. Cf. data preservation

19:55:17 <yaso> ... but link to some advice on data enrichment that would be anote

... but link to some advice on data enrichment that would be a note

19:55:26 <yaso> s/anote/ a note
19:55:50 <yaso> GiselePappa: is difficult to say do this or do that because it is something that is always changing

Gisele Pappa: is difficult to say do this or do that because it is something that is always changing

19:55:56 <yaso> q?

q?

19:56:03 <phila> ack d

Phil Archer: ack d

19:56:04 <yaso> ack deirdre

ack deirdre

19:56:43 <yaso> deirdre: if we look at the content we see that there is things that we can bring to deliverables of the wg

Deirdre Lee: if we look at the content we see that there are things that we can bring to deliverables of the wg

19:56:57 <Caroline> s/is/are
19:57:15 <yaso> deirdre: maybe the focus is that data can be enriched

Deirdre Lee: maybe the focus is that data can be enriched

19:57:22 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

19:57:32 <phila> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

19:57:32 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to distinguish between enabling enrichment and actually enriching. Cf. data preservation

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to distinguish between enabling enrichment and actually enriching. Cf. data preservation

19:57:57 <yaso> phila: thisis interesting and I think that the details that we are discussing

Phil Archer: thisis interesting and I think that the details that we are discussing

19:57:59 <BernadetteLoscio> R-DataEnrichment: It should be possible to perform some data enrichment tasks in order to aggregate value to data, therefore providing more value for user applications and services.

Scribe problem: the name 'R-DataEnrichment' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

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19:58:17 <yaso> ... are interesting and I think that there are aspects of this that are in scope

... are interesting and I think that there are aspects of this that are in scope

19:58:32 <yaso> ... so I think that it would be important to learn from you

... so I think that it would be important to learn from you

19:58:44 <GiselePappa> q+

Gisele Pappa: q+

19:59:01 <deirdrelee> phila: similar to data archiving is out of scope, but persistent identifiers is in scope, detailed data enrichment is out of scope, but elements of data enrichment could be in scope

Phil Archer: similar to data archiving is out of scope, but persistent identifiers is in scope, detailed data enrichment is out of scope, but elements of data enrichment could be in scope [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

19:59:18 <deirdrelee> ...this could be an entirely new working gropu

Deirdre Lee: ...this could be an entirely new working group

19:59:23 <yaso> ... data enrichment seems to be a  new wg

... data enrichment seems to be a new wg

19:59:32 <Caroline> s/gropu/group
19:59:39 <ericstephan> https://www.arm.gov/publications/tech_reports/doe-sc-arm-tr-093.pdf example of this in the climate research community

Eric Stephan: https://www.arm.gov/publications/tech_reports/doe-sc-arm-tr-093.pdf example of this in the climate research community

19:59:51 <deirdrelee> ...for this group its about enabling data enrichment,and making people aware of data enrichment

Deirdre Lee: ...for this group its about enabling data enrichment,and making people aware of data enrichment

19:59:54 <yaso> ... and you work would be very interesting and inside the scope

... and you work would be very interesting and inside the scope

20:00:03 <deirdrelee> ... this is very important for this group

Deirdre Lee: ... this is very important for this group

20:00:08 <yaso> annette_g: data enrichment is important to data that is not big data

Annette Greiner: data enrichment is important to data that is not big data

20:00:29 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

20:00:30 <phila> q?

Phil Archer: q?

20:00:33 <yaso> annette_g: most of the description here is about a type of analysys that is not in our scope

Annette Greiner: most of the description here is about a type of analysys that is not in our scope

20:00:34 <phila> ack annette_g

Phil Archer: ack annette_g

20:00:36 <phila> ack g

Phil Archer: ack g

20:01:12 <yaso> GiselePappa: first, regarding what phila said, I think we can be great providers of metadata, you could use metadata or provide metadata

Gisele Pappa: first, regarding what phila said, I think we can be great providers of metadata, you could use metadata or provide metadata

20:01:34 <yaso> ... our document has a bias on machine learning of course, because it is what we do

... our document has a bias on machine learning of course, because it is what we do

20:01:48 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

20:01:58 <yaso> ... but when we saw that data on the web we thought "we fit in that" because all we do is Data on The Web

... but when we saw that data on the web we thought "we fit in that" because all we do is Data on The Web

20:02:18 <yaso> ... I feel that we fit in the group, otherwise its better to go for another group

... I feel that we fit in the group, otherwise its better to go for another group

20:02:22 <ericstephan> the reference I provided is a data enrichment process provided for the last 30 years

Eric Stephan: the reference I provided is a data enrichment process provided for the last 30 years

20:02:38 <yaso> ... because sometimes I feel like if we do not provide some useful knowledge to the group

... because sometimes I feel like if we do not provide some useful knowledge to the group

20:02:46 <yaso> q?

q?

20:03:25 <yaso> deirdre data enrichment is important, we just have to find the best way to incorporate it in our document

deirdre data enrichment is important, we just have to find the best way to incorporate it in our document

20:03:46 <phila> ack annette_g

Phil Archer: ack annette_g

20:04:13 <Caroline> q+

Caroline Burle: q+

20:04:29 <yaso> annette_g: I am a little bit concerned about the parts of the document that do not fit to the wg

Annette Greiner: I am a little bit concerned about the parts of the document that do not fit to the wg

20:04:34 <yaso> +1 to annette_g

+1 to annette_g

20:04:34 <GiselePappa> q?

Gisele Pappa: q?

20:04:53 <yaso> GiselePappa: I think actually is not that doesn't work for us

Gisele Pappa: I think actually is not that doesn't work for us

20:05:01 <yaso> ... so I think we can collaborate on the document

... so I think we can collaborate on the document

20:05:13 <yaso> ... we are trying to do things together

... we are trying to do things together

20:05:20 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

20:05:26 <yaso> ... we want to know if the group is interested in doing things like this

... we want to know if the group is interested in doing things like this

20:05:29 <deirdrelee> zakim, close queue

Deirdre Lee: zakim, close queue

20:05:29 <Zakim> ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is closed

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is closed

20:05:38 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes

20:05:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila

20:05:44 <yaso> ... we propose to have some best practices on data erichment

... we propose to have some best practices on data enrichment

20:05:54 <yaso> s/erichment/enrichment
20:06:22 <yaso> Caroline: I was going to say something similar to what GiselePappa said

Caroline Burle: I was going to say something similar to what GiselePappa said

20:06:38 <yaso> ... we can think on some specific topics about data enrichment

... we can think on some specific topics about data enrichment

20:06:49 <yaso> ... maybe we can write this as a bp an see how this goes

... maybe we can write this as a bp an see how this goes

20:06:59 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

20:06:59 <yaso> ... it would be easier to the group

... it would be easier to the group

20:07:02 <phila> zakim, list participants

Phil Archer: zakim, list participants

20:07:02 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been [IPcaller], deirdrelee, riccardoAlbertoni, phila

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been [IPcaller], deirdrelee, riccardoAlbertoni, phila

20:07:32 <yaso> deirdre maybe on that point GiselePappa if you can talk to phil it would be a good idea

deirdre maybe on that point GiselePappa if you can talk to phil it would be a good idea

20:07:42 <Caroline> ok

Caroline Burle: ok

20:07:45 <yaso> ... and that closes our topic for today

... and that closes our topic for today

20:07:48 <phila> present+ Caroline, Yaso, Eric, Gisele, Ig, Bernadette, Flavio, Laufer, Newton, Sumit

Phil Archer: present+ Caroline, Yaso, Eric, Gisele, Ig, Bernadette, Flavio, Laufer, Newton, Sumit

20:07:57 <yaso> and thank you all :-D

and thank you all :-D

20:08:08 <phila> deirdrelee: Closes the transAtlantic meeting. Austin may continue

Deirdre Lee: Closes the transAtlantic meeting. Austin may continue [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

20:08:36 <phila> deirdrelee: Let's have a meeting on Friday and focus on DUV

Deirdre Lee: Let's have a meeting on Friday and focus on DUV [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

20:08:49 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: This Friday meeting on DUV

PROPOSED: This Friday meeting on DUV

20:08:52 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

20:08:54 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

20:08:57 <Caroline> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

20:08:58 <phila> =1

Phil Archer: =1

20:08:58 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

20:09:00 <GiselePappa> +1

Gisele Pappa: +1

20:09:02 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

20:09:02 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

20:09:09 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1

20:09:11 <ericstephan> thank you!

Eric Stephan: thank you!

20:09:18 <phila> RESOLVED: This Friday meeting on DUV

RESOLVED: This Friday meeting on DUV

20:09:27 <phila> rrsagent, draft minutes

Phil Archer: rrsagent, draft minutes

20:09:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila

20:09:53 <phila> Please continue scribing!

Phil Archer: Please continue scribing!

20:09:56 <laufer> bye deirdre!!!  tnx

Carlos Laufer: bye deirdre!!! tnx

20:10:06 <yaso> deirdre yes, we are going to continue

deirdre yes, we are going to continue

20:10:07 <riccardoAlbertoni> thanks all for the interesting discussions...  bye

Riccardo Albertoni: thanks all for the interesting discussions... bye

20:10:09 <GiselePappa> nice meeting you. bye

Gisele Pappa: nice meeting you. bye

20:10:22 <BernadetteLoscio> thanks!!!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: thanks!!!

20:10:29 <Ig_Bittencourt> bye deirdrelee

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: bye deirdrelee

20:10:31 <phila> Signing off from Ipswich

Phil Archer: Signing off from Ipswich

20:10:38 <annette_g> bye! thanks!

Annette Greiner: bye! thanks!

20:10:40 <yaso> Bye!!!

Bye!!!

20:10:43 <Zakim> -Ipswich

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20:10:49 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller]

20:10:50 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()8:00AM has ended

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20:10:50 <Zakim> Attendees were [IPcaller], deirdrelee, riccardoAlbertoni, phila

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were [IPcaller], deirdrelee, riccardoAlbertoni, phila

20:11:12 <Ig_Bittencourt> I will try to continue (at least seeing) if the internet let me.

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: I will try to continue (at least seeing) if the internet let me.

20:11:22 <yaso> 5 min break

5 min break

20:11:25 <yaso> ====

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20:13:09 <Ig_Bittencourt> I think I do not have the access to add comments to the DUV doc in the Google docs.

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: I think I do not have the access to add comments to the DUV doc in the Google docs.

20:25:31 <Ig_Bittencourt> Zzzzzzz

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Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: Zzzzzzz

20:27:12 <ericstephan> we are awake again

Eric Stephan: we are awake again

20:27:44 <Ig_Bittencourt> :)

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: :)

20:28:09 <ericstephan> escriba:  ericstephan

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20:28:35 <ericstephan> scribe:  ericstephan

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20:28:37 <ericstephan> q+

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20:31:25 <yaso> Chair: yaso
20:31:41 <BernadetteLoscio> Ig?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Ig?

20:31:42 <yaso> Zakim, open the queue

Yaso Córdova: Zakim, open the queue

20:31:42 <Zakim> ok, yaso, the speaker queue is open

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, yaso, the speaker queue is open

20:31:43 <ericstephan> escriba:  ericstephan

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20:31:50 <ericstephan> scribe:  ericstephan
20:32:25 <Ig_Bittencourt> I am here. But I did not see any discussion yet. Not sure if it is an internet problem.

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: I am here. But I did not see any discussion yet. Not sure if it is an internet problem.

20:32:43 <ericstephan> discussion from GiselePappa about role of data enrichment as a best practice and a potential working group proposal at some point

discussion from GiselePappa about role of data enrichment as a best practice and a potential working group proposal at some point

20:33:17 <ericstephan> hi Ig_Bittencourt should we call in again?

hi Ig_Bittencourt should we call in again?

20:33:57 <ericstephan> yaso: its important to publish

Yaso Córdova: its important to publish

20:34:24 <ericstephan> yaso:   folks are doing this stuff, data on the web has something to do with this.

Yaso Córdova: folks are doing this stuff, data on the web has something to do with this.

20:34:46 <Ig_Bittencourt> Hi ericstephan, the problem seems to be my net.

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: Hi ericstephan, the problem seems to be my net.

20:34:53 <ericstephan> GiselePappa: if you put one best practice saying data should be enriched you create all sorts of options.

Gisele Pappa: if you put one best practice saying data should be enriched you create all sorts of options.

20:35:12 <laufer> we are connecting audio again, ig

Carlos Laufer: we are connecting audio again, ig

20:35:20 <ericstephan> GiselePappa: I can give a proposed best practice to see what you think?

Gisele Pappa: I can give a proposed best practice to see what you think?

20:36:22 <yaso> Ig, are you on hangout or skype?

Yaso Córdova: Ig, are you on hangout or skype?

20:36:58 <ericstephan> sumit:  some of the best practices are about data enrichment.  We could apply data enrichment to this.

Sumit Purohit: some of the best practices are about data enrichment. We could apply data enrichment to this.

20:37:29 <ericstephan> GiselePappa: I am still about a broader concept.

Gisele Pappa: I am still about a broader concept.

20:37:43 <ericstephan> yaso: let's continue talking to phila about this.

Yaso Córdova: let's continue talking to phila about this.

20:38:12 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio: we are going to create a section for the data usage.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we are going to create a section for the data usage.

20:38:12 <yaso> action: GiselePappa to create a section on the BP document about data enrichment

ACTION: GiselePappa to create a section on the BP document about data enrichment

20:38:13 <trackbot> Error finding 'GiselePappa'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'GiselePappa'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.

20:38:27 <ericstephan> The document should be in the same place as a note for the w3c

The document should be in the same place as a note for the w3c

20:38:38 <ericstephan> q+

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20:38:58 <ericstephan> q-

q-

20:39:22 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

20:39:37 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

20:39:52 <NewtonCalegari> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users

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20:40:34 <Caroline> yaso: we will work until 4:30 pm

Yaso Córdova: we will work until 4:30 pm [ Scribe Assist by Caroline Burle ]

20:40:53 <yaso> Topic: DUV

10. DUV

20:41:46 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/157

http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/157

20:41:54 <yaso> scribe: yaso

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20:42:09 <yaso> issue 157

ISSUE-157

20:42:18 <yaso> action 157

ACTION-157

20:42:29 <NewtonCalegari> action-157

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Unknown NewtonCalegari: ACTION-157

20:42:29 <trackbot> action-157 -- Phil Archer to Work with hadleybeeman to revise the bp on http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp/#provideuniqueidentifiers and make new suggestions -- due 2015-04-21 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-157 -- Phil Archer to Work with hadleybeeman to revise the bp on http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp/#provideuniqueidentifiers and make new suggestions -- due 2015-04-21 -- OPEN

20:42:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/157

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/157

20:42:41 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

20:42:50 <ericstephan> https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit#

Eric Stephan: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit#

20:43:26 <GiselePappa> action GiselePappa Create BP for data enrichment

Gisele Pappa: action GiselePappa Create BP for data enrichment

20:43:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-173 - Create bp for data enrichment [on Gisele Pappa - due 2015-04-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-173 - Create bp for data enrichment [on Gisele Pappa - due 2015-04-21].

20:43:32 <yaso> ericstephan: what we got is application class that BernadetteLoscio wrote

Eric Stephan: what we got is application class that BernadetteLoscio wrote

20:43:42 <yaso> ... data usage is different from feedback

... data usage is different from feedback

20:43:53 <yaso> ... it provides information about how do you use the data

... it provides information about how do you use the data

20:44:41 <yaso> ... I could explore what apps uses my type of file

... I could explore what apps uses my type of file

20:44:56 <yaso> ... so it structures information about how to use the data

... so it structures information about how to use the data

20:45:08 <yaso> ... one from the point of the user, other from the point of the publisher

... one from the point of the user, other from the point of the publisher

20:45:22 <yaso> SumitPurohit: is that data usage or data feedback

Sumit Purohit: is that data usage or data feedback

20:45:39 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: feedback is when you are going to say something about a dataset that you use

Bernadette Farias Loscio: feedback is when you are going to say something about a dataset that you use

20:46:31 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: data usage: you can have data usage from the point of view from the consumer,

Bernadette Farias Loscio: data usage: you can have data usage from the point of view from the consumer,

20:46:54 <yaso> ... the other thing is the readme file. It is how to use the dataset. It is provided by the publisher

... the other thing is the readme file. It is how to use the dataset. It is provided by the publisher

20:47:11 <yaso> ... given by the data publisher and shows how to use a dataset.

... given by the data publisher and shows how to use a dataset.

20:47:58 <yaso> ... feedback can be an opinion, rating, we can use quality criteria to provide feedback

... feedback can be an opinion, rating, we can use quality criteria to provide feedback

20:48:13 <yaso> ... citation can be a type of feedback, but I'm not sure

... citation can be a type of feedback, but I'm not sure

20:48:25 <yaso> ericstephan: if you have a dataset and I used your dataset

Eric Stephan: if you have a dataset and I used your dataset

20:48:38 <yaso> ... and I published a feedback considering your data

... and I published a feedback considering your data

20:48:40 <yaso> q+

q+

20:48:45 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio

ack BernadetteLoscio

20:49:08 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

20:49:12 <NewtonCalegari> q?

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Unknown NewtonCalegari: q?

20:49:59 <ericstephan> yaso:  have you looked at the annotation working group Eric?

Yaso Córdova: have you looked at the annotation working group Eric? [ Scribe Assist by Eric Stephan ]

20:50:05 <yaso> q?

q?

20:50:09 <yaso> ack yaso

ack yaso

20:50:12 <ericstephan> ericstephan: no we haven't , but we need to

Eric Stephan: no we haven't , but we need to [ Scribe Assist by Eric Stephan ]

20:50:17 <yaso> q?

q?

20:50:40 <yaso> laufer: when we have a feedback

Carlos Laufer: when we have a feedback

20:50:52 <yaso> ... the citation is the link between some usage and the dataset

... the citation is the link between some usage and the dataset

20:51:14 <yaso> laufer: we need to have a reverting thing to say why this guy used this dataset

Carlos Laufer: we need to have a reverting thing to say why this guy used this dataset

20:51:32 <yaso> laufer: why did you use a citation on a thesis

Carlos Laufer: why did you use a citation on a thesis

20:51:52 <Ig_Bittencourt> If we look at a classical information life cycle (create, colect, store, process, distribute, consume, recicle), there are different types of use of a dataset and also by different agents (i.e. foaf:Agent).

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: If we look at a classical information life cycle (create, colect, store, process, distribute, consume, recicle), there are different types of use of a dataset and also by different agents (i.e. foaf:Agent).

20:51:57 <ericstephan> http://rdfs.org/sioc/spec/ Semantically-Interlinked Online Communities,

Eric Stephan: http://rdfs.org/sioc/spec/ Semantically-Interlinked Online Communities,

20:51:59 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

20:52:04 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

20:52:49 <SumitPurohit> q+

Sumit Purohit: q+

20:52:56 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: I wanted to say that If i write a paper and I have a reference there, it doesn not mean that this is a feedback on a paper

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I wanted to say that If i write a paper and I have a reference there, it does not mean that this is a feedback on a paper

20:52:59 <yaso> +1 to Berna

+1 to Berna

20:53:13 <Caroline> s/doesn/does
20:53:18 <Caroline> +1 to BernadetteLoscio

Caroline Burle: +1 to BernadetteLoscio

20:53:22 <yaso> Ack ericstephan

Ack ericstephan

20:53:29 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

20:53:30 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1 to BernadetteLoscio

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1 to BernadetteLoscio

20:53:40 <yaso> ericstephan: It's all about the dataset, so to me in terms of feedback,

Eric Stephan: It's all about the dataset, so to me in terms of feedback,

20:53:55 <yaso> ... you provided a citation to show provenance

... you provided a citation to show provenance

20:54:34 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

20:54:36 <yaso> ericstephan: in terms of feedback it can be a paper that maybe discuss a quality of a dataset

Eric Stephan: in terms of feedback it can be a paper that maybe discuss a quality of a dataset

20:54:53 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio

ack BernadetteLoscio

20:55:34 <yaso> q+ BernadetteLoscio

q+ BernadetteLoscio

20:55:38 <yaso> ack laufer

ack laufer

20:56:03 <yaso> laufer: maybe it is a good or bad feedback but why would someone cite my name?

Carlos Laufer: maybe it is a good or bad feedback but why would someone cite my name?

20:56:26 <yaso> SumitPurohit: there is different levels of citations that you could use

Sumit Purohit: there is different levels of citations that you could use

20:56:31 <Ig_Bittencourt> I agree to ericstephan, but this one way of using citation. For example, I can use the feedback of another user (i.e. an instance of the duv) about the same dataset that I am providing a feedback.

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: I agree to ericstephan, but this one way of using citation. For example, I can use the feedback of another user (i.e. an instance of the duv) about the same dataset that I am providing a feedback.

20:56:36 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

20:56:49 <yaso> q+

q+

20:56:51 <yaso> SumitPurohit:

Sumit Purohit:

20:57:01 <yaso> SumitPurohit:  that citation worth something

Sumit Purohit: that citation worth something

20:57:02 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

20:57:07 <yaso> ack SumitPurohit

ack SumitPurohit

20:57:11 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio

ack BernadetteLoscio

20:57:30 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: I just don't know when I have a citation about a dataset

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I just don't know when I have a citation about a dataset

20:57:41 <yaso> ... if this is always a feedback

... if this is always a feedback

20:57:48 <SumitPurohit> q+

Sumit Purohit: q+

20:57:56 <Ig_Bittencourt> ... So, there are different ways with different purpose of using citations.

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: ... So, there are different ways with different purpose of using citations.

20:57:57 <yaso> ... I'm not sure if you will always have a feedback on this

... I'm not sure if you will always have a feedback on this

20:58:21 <yaso> ericstephan: we already have dublincore references in DCAT

Eric Stephan: we already have dublincore references in DCAT

20:58:42 <yaso> q?

q?

20:58:47 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

20:59:00 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio

ack BernadetteLoscio

20:59:14 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: I'm not sure if we discussed this before

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'm not sure if we discussed this before

20:59:31 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: datasets will have different versions and different distributions

Bernadette Farias Loscio: datasets will have different versions and different distributions

20:59:52 <yaso> ... the data usage information that we provide for a dataset will be the same for every distributions

... the data usage information that we provide for a dataset will be the same for every distributions

21:00:11 <yaso> ... and if we have different versions of the same datasets then feedback should refers to the version?

... and if we have different versions of the same datasets then feedback should refers to the version?

21:02:03 <Ig_Bittencourt> But I can give a feedback about a specific version of a dataset, for example, discussing about the quality of the data available in this new version.

Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: But I can give a feedback about a specific version of a dataset, for example, discussing about the quality of the data available in this new version.

21:02:11 <yaso> q?

q?

21:02:16 <yaso> ack ericstephan

ack ericstephan

21:02:30 <yaso> ericstephan: if I change a file

Eric Stephan: if I change a file

21:03:16 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

21:04:24 <yaso> ack yaso

ack yaso

21:04:44 <yaso> ack SumitPurohit

ack SumitPurohit

21:04:44 <BernadetteLoscio> q-

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q-

21:05:14 <yaso> SumitPurohit: one thing that we should put in the glossary that citation is about using a complete DCAT dataset

Sumit Purohit: one thing that we should put in the glossary that citation is about using a complete DCAT dataset

21:05:23 <yaso> ... that's what we are defining here

... that's what we are defining here

21:05:45 <yaso> q?

q?

21:07:20 <yaso> scribe: NewtonCalegari

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21:07:23 <ericstephan> action SumitPurohit to make update to glossary for new data usage terms:  citations, data producer, consumer, publisher etc

Eric Stephan: action SumitPurohit to make update to glossary for new data usage terms: citations, data producer, consumer, publisher etc

21:07:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-174 - Make update to glossary for new data usage terms:  citations, data producer, consumer, publisher etc [on Sumit Purohit - due 2015-04-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-174 - Make update to glossary for new data usage terms: citations, data producer, consumer, publisher etc [on Sumit Purohit - due 2015-04-21].

21:07:29 <NewtonCalegari> BernadetteLoscio: it's hard to define when we are going to have feedback

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Bernadette Farias Loscio: it's hard to define when we are going to have feedback

21:07:55 <NewtonCalegari> ... maybe it's interesting to get the data of the feedback

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... maybe it's interesting to get the data of the feedback

21:08:22 <NewtonCalegari> ... the properties of the dcat definition isn't enough

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... the properties of the dcat definition isn't enough

21:08:48 <NewtonCalegari> ... we could extend and create good definitions for dataset

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... we could extend and create good definitions for dataset

21:09:12 <NewtonCalegari> q?

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q?

21:09:14 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

21:09:18 <ericstephan> q-

Eric Stephan: q-

21:09:22 <BernadetteLoscio> http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/joejimbo/HCLSDatasetDescriptions/blob/master/Overview.html

Bernadette Farias Loscio: http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/joejimbo/HCLSDatasetDescriptions/blob/master/Overview.html

21:09:32 <NewtonCalegari> BernadetteLoscio: looking at the document that phila shared with us

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Bernadette Farias Loscio: looking at the document that phila shared with us

21:09:50 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

21:10:02 <NewtonCalegari> ... in the doc they say that the DCAT is used to describe datasets and catalogs

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... in the doc they say that the DCAT is used to describe datasets and catalogs

21:10:21 <NewtonCalegari> ... but it's, in fact, enough, and they need to combine with others vocabs

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... but it's, in fact, enough, and they need to combine with others vocabs

21:10:41 <NewtonCalegari> ... and if necessary, extend to new properties

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... and if necessary, extend to new properties

21:11:41 <NewtonCalegari> ... they have a citation section as well

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... they have a citation section as well

21:11:49 <NewtonCalegari> ericstephan: I agree that we could create an action

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Eric Stephan: I agree that we could create an action

21:12:05 <NewtonCalegari> close issue-158

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close ISSUE-158

21:12:05 <trackbot> Closed issue-158.

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21:13:26 <NewtonCalegari> action ericstephan read the citation section on the "Dataset Descriptions: HCLS Community Profile" document

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action ericstephan read the citation section on the "Dataset Descriptions: HCLS Community Profile" document

21:13:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-175 - Read the citation section on the "dataset descriptions: hcls community profile" document [on Eric Stephan - due 2015-04-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-175 - Read the citation section on the "dataset descriptions: hcls community profile" document [on Eric Stephan - due 2015-04-21].

21:13:37 <NewtonCalegari> q?

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q?

21:13:39 <NewtonCalegari> ack ericstephan

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ack ericstephan

21:13:47 <ericstephan> http://rdfs.org/sioc/spec/

Eric Stephan: http://rdfs.org/sioc/spec/

21:13:53 <NewtonCalegari> ericstephan: about references

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Eric Stephan: about references

21:14:36 <NewtonCalegari> ... it's interesting that it has a model that might be useful for feedback

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... it's interesting that it has a model that might be useful for feedback

21:14:46 <ericstephan> propose that we look at this for feedback

Eric Stephan: propose that we look at this for feedback

21:14:47 <NewtonCalegari> ... in this document http://rdfs.org/sioc/spec/

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... in this document http://rdfs.org/sioc/spec/

21:15:06 <NewtonCalegari> BernadetteLoscio: different vocabs cover different aspects

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Bernadette Farias Loscio: different vocabs cover different aspects

21:15:22 <NewtonCalegari> ... maybe we don't need to create new ones, we can just see others and use them

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... maybe we don't need to create new ones, we can just see others and use them

21:17:13 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

21:17:18 <NewtonCalegari> act ericstephan

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act ericstephan

21:17:22 <NewtonCalegari> ack ericstephan

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ack ericstephan

21:17:27 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/159

Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/159

21:17:33 <NewtonCalegari> issue-159

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ISSUE-159

21:17:33 <trackbot> issue-159 -- Is R-QualityOpinions more of a Data Usage Vocabulary concept? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-159 -- Is R-QualityOpinions more of a Data Usage Vocabulary concept? -- open

21:17:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/159

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/159

21:17:48 <NewtonCalegari> ericstephan: antoine replied back about this issue

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Eric Stephan: antoine replied back about this issue

21:18:13 <NewtonCalegari> ... saying that it is part of data quality

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... saying that it is part of data quality

21:18:37 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

21:18:47 <NewtonCalegari> ... if we don't have data quality concepts, we need to create

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... if we don't have data quality concepts, we need to create

21:19:09 <ericstephan> close issue-159

Eric Stephan: close ISSUE-159

21:19:09 <trackbot> Closed issue-159.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-159.

21:19:13 <NewtonCalegari> BernadetteLoscio: I agree, and we need to keep in mind that for the first version we aren't going to have a definition yet

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Bernadette Farias Loscio: I agree, and we need to keep in mind that for the first version we aren't going to have a definition yet

21:19:39 <NewtonCalegari> ... maybe we can have some examples to illustrate those concepts

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... maybe we can have some examples to illustrate those concepts

21:20:03 <NewtonCalegari> issue-157

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ISSUE-157

21:20:03 <trackbot> issue-157 -- Considering other kinds of data usage -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-157 -- Considering other kinds of data usage -- open

21:20:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/157

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/157

21:20:05 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/157

Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/157

21:20:39 <NewtonCalegari> BernadetteLoscio: is it related to the "README" thing?

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Bernadette Farias Loscio: is it related to the "README" thing?

21:20:55 <NewtonCalegari> ... as we discussed earlier, application is data usage from the consumer POV

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... as we discussed earlier, application is data usage from the consumer POV

21:21:14 <NewtonCalegari> ... and the readme file is on how to use or consume the data

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... and the readme file is on how to use or consume the data

21:21:19 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

21:21:49 <NewtonCalegari> SumitPurohit: the readme file come from the publish POV, and sometimes it can get confused

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Sumit Purohit: the readme file come from the publish POV, and sometimes it can get confused

21:22:20 <NewtonCalegari> ack laufer

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ack laufer

21:22:36 <NewtonCalegari> laufer: I think readme file is for humans, it's a kind of metadata

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Carlos Laufer: I think readme file is for humans, it's a kind of metadata

21:22:48 <NewtonCalegari> ... if we have an API, we need instructions on how to use it

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... if we have an API, we need instructions on how to use it

21:23:11 <NewtonCalegari> ... how can I guide someone who is going to use the data?

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... how can I guide someone who is going to use the data?

21:23:30 <NewtonCalegari> ... I can have instructions only about the data, explain some points

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... I can have instructions only about the data, explain some points

21:23:49 <NewtonCalegari> ... but we don't have any kind of guide on how to use the data

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... but we don't have any kind of guide on how to use the data

21:24:12 <NewtonCalegari> ... because consumer can use in whatever way he wants

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... because consumer can use in whatever way he wants

21:24:33 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

21:24:57 <NewtonCalegari> ack ericstephan

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ack ericstephan

21:25:22 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

21:25:23 <NewtonCalegari> ericstephan: a lot of scientists use readme in their data and applications

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Eric Stephan: a lot of scientists use readme in their data and applications

21:25:39 <NewtonCalegari> ... we don't need to use readme, but I like the ideia of having a template

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... we don't need to use readme, but I like the ideia of having a template

21:25:49 <BernadetteLoscio> q?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q?

21:25:52 <ericstephan> ack ericstephan

Eric Stephan: ack ericstephan

21:26:47 <NewtonCalegari> BernadetteLoscio: when we say metadata should be provided in human readable, is it related to the readme file?

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Bernadette Farias Loscio: when we say metadata should be provided in human readable, is it related to the readme file?

21:27:03 <NewtonCalegari> ericstephan: what kind of metadata you could put on a readme file?

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Carlos Laufer: what kind of metadata you could put on a readme file?

21:27:10 <NewtonCalegari> s/ericstephan/laufer
21:27:44 <NewtonCalegari> ericstephan: can put instructions, FAQuestions

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Eric Stephan: can put instructions, FAQuestions

21:28:10 <NewtonCalegari> BernadetteLoscio: we have a description of a dataset when we talk about metadada

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Bernadette Farias Loscio: we have a description of a dataset when we talk about metadada

21:28:46 <NewtonCalegari> ... what I think is that can have more information on a readme file than on a metadata to describe the dataset

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... what I think is that can have more information on a readme file than on a metadata to describe the dataset

21:28:57 <NewtonCalegari> ericstephan: I like the ideia of apply instructions

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Eric Stephan: I like the ideia of apply instructions

21:29:10 <NewtonCalegari> q+

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q+

21:29:13 <NewtonCalegari> ack laufer

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ack laufer

21:30:01 <NewtonCalegari> laufer: maybe a few of the information on a readme file, we already cover on other BP related to metadata for humans

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Carlos Laufer: maybe a few of the information on a readme file, we already cover on other BP related to metadata for humans

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21:31:21 <yaso> So, we are closing the meeting with the last survivors

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21:31:38 <Caroline> bye! :)

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21:31:45 <BernadetteLoscio> bye!!!

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21:31:49 <laufer> bye all, nice weekend

Carlos Laufer: bye all, nice weekend

21:31:53 <NewtonCalegari> tchuß

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tchuß

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