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11:52:10 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-irc
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11:52:12 <hadleybeeman> Morning, all
Hadley Beeman: Morning, all ←
11:52:19 <phila> Hi Hadley
Phil Archer: Hi Hadley ←
11:52:25 <phila> Just getting ste up here
Phil Archer: Just getting ste up here ←
11:52:31 <hadleybeeman> How was yesterday? Looks like you covered a lot!
Hadley Beeman: How was yesterday? Looks like you covered a lot! ←
11:52:46 <phila> Yeah, Dee drove us through a lot of issues :-)
Phil Archer: Yeah, Dee drove us through a lot of issues :-) ←
11:52:56 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee, you're amazing :)
Hadley Beeman: deirdrelee, you're amazing :) ←
11:52:56 <phila> zakim, this will be dwbp
Phil Archer: zakim, this will be dwbp ←
11:52:56 <Zakim> ok, phila; I see DATA_DWBP()8:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, phila; I see DATA_DWBP()8:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes ←
11:53:15 <phila> RRSAgent, make logs public
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
11:54:57 <phila> zakim, code?
Phil Archer: zakim, code? ←
11:54:57 <Zakim> the conference code is 3927 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), phila
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3927 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), phila ←
11:55:07 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()8:00AM has now started
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11:55:14 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
11:55:26 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman ←
11:55:51 <hadleybeeman> zakim, [I is Ipswich
Hadley Beeman: zakim, [I is Ipswich ←
11:55:51 <Zakim> +Ipswich; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ipswich; got it ←
11:56:11 <hadleybeeman> zakim, ipswich has phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni
Hadley Beeman: zakim, ipswich has phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni ←
11:56:11 <Zakim> +phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni; got it ←
11:57:00 <phila> Meeting: DWBP Face to Face Day 2
11:57:05 <phila> Chair: Deirdre
11:57:11 <phila> Regrets: Steve
12:01:57 <deirdrelee> Hangout: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g4vna23i4mz4l6doovo34sysm4a
Scribe problem: the name 'Hangout' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
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Unknown Hangout: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g4vna23i4mz4l6doovo34sysm4a [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
12:02:53 <deirdrelee> Updated Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/April_2015_F2F
Deirdre Lee: Updated Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/April_2015_F2F ←
12:15:52 <ericstephan> Hello everyone
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Eric Stephan: Hello everyone ←
12:15:59 <hadleybeeman> Hello, Austin!
Hadley Beeman: Hello, Austin! ←
12:16:09 <ericstephan> Just getting set up.
Eric Stephan: Just getting set up. ←
12:16:14 <deirdrelee> Hi Eric & all!
Deirdre Lee: Hi Eric & all! ←
12:16:22 <deirdrelee> Hangout: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g4vna23i4mz4l6doovo34sysm4a
Scribe problem: the name 'Hangout' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Hangout: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g4vna23i4mz4l6doovo34sysm4a [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
12:16:29 <phila> http://dublincore.org/documents/2012/06/14/dcmi-terms/?v=terms#Standard
Phil Archer: http://dublincore.org/documents/2012/06/14/dcmi-terms/?v=terms#Standard ←
12:17:49 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?
Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is here? ←
12:17:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ipswich, HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ipswich, HadleyBeeman ←
12:17:51 <Zakim> Ipswich has phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni
Zakim IRC Bot: Ipswich has phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni ←
12:17:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see yaso, ericstephan, GiselePappa, flavio, newton, makx, deirdrelee, Zakim, RRSAgent, phila, riccardoAlbertoni, rhiaro, hadleybeeman, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see yaso, ericstephan, GiselePappa, flavio, newton, makx, deirdrelee, Zakim, RRSAgent, phila, riccardoAlbertoni, rhiaro, hadleybeeman, trackbot ←
12:19:03 <yaso> Thanks for this link, Phil
Yaso Córdova: Thanks for this link, Phil ←
12:19:12 <hadleybeeman> ericstephan, I think we have a bit of feedback. Would you mind muting your computer?
Hadley Beeman: ericstephan, I think we have a bit of feedback. Would you mind muting your computer? ←
12:21:18 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
12:22:03 <deirdrelee> updated agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/April_2015_F2F
Deirdre Lee: updated agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/April_2015_F2F ←
12:23:02 <laufer> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/gu2q3xlnxb4p6sjowowzowteema?v=1428094656
Carlos Laufer: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/gu2q3xlnxb4p6sjowowzowteema?v=1428094656 ←
12:23:18 <laufer> I said that I would scribe tomorrow
Carlos Laufer: I said that I would scribe tomorrow ←
12:23:31 <laufer> today is not tomorrow
Carlos Laufer: today is not tomorrow ←
12:23:39 <Caroline> I can scribe later! :)
Caroline Burle: I can scribe later! :) ←
12:23:48 <Caroline> I must wake up before scribing!
Caroline Burle: I must wake up before scribing! ←
12:23:49 <laufer> I am scribing
Carlos Laufer: I am scribing ←
12:24:47 <laufer> deirdrelee: talking about the agenda of the day
Deirdre Lee: talking about the agenda of the day [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
12:24:57 <phila> -> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/WD-dwbp-20150224/3006 DanBri Comment
Phil Archer: -> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/WD-dwbp-20150224/3006 DanBri Comment ←
12:25:11 <phila> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-04-13#resolution_15
Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-04-13#resolution_15 ←
12:25:27 <laufer> phila: talking about the comments we talked yesterday
Phil Archer: talking about the comments we talked yesterday [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
12:25:31 <laufer> ph
Carlos Laufer: ph ←
12:25:53 <Sumit_Purohit> Hi deirdrelee
Sumit Purohit: Hi deirdrelee ←
12:25:57 <ericstephan> sounds good
Eric Stephan: sounds good ←
12:26:00 <laufer> phila: the comments about dan is defined as not resolved
Phil Archer: the comments about dan is defined as not resolved [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
12:26:08 <phila> action: PhilA to write to DanBri in response to comment 3006
ACTION: PhilA to write to DanBri in response to comment 3006 ←
12:26:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-155 - Write to danbri in response to comment 3006 [on Phil Archer - due 2015-04-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-155 - Write to danbri in response to comment 3006 [on Phil Archer - due 2015-04-21]. ←
12:26:40 <hadleybeeman> +1 to this. I worry about over-enshrining the mental model of "dataset" in what we're doing.
Hadley Beeman: +1 to this. I worry about over-enshrining the mental model of "dataset" in what we're doing. ←
12:26:47 <laufer> deirdrelee: 15 max for each issue
Deirdre Lee: 15 max for each issue [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
12:26:51 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
12:26:54 <hadleybeeman> issue-52?
12:26:54 <trackbot> issue-52 -- We keep having confusion around our terms. (glossary?) -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-52 -- We keep having confusion around our terms. (glossary?) -- open ←
12:26:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/52
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/52 ←
12:26:54 <yaso> to close the issue
Yaso Córdova: to close the issue ←
12:26:56 <phila> issue-52?
12:26:56 <trackbot> issue-52 -- We keep having confusion around our terms. (glossary?) -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-52 -- We keep having confusion around our terms. (glossary?) -- open ←
12:26:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/52
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/52 ←
12:27:18 <phila> PROPOSED: Close Issue-52 as there is going to be a glossary
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-52 as there is going to be a glossary ←
12:27:20 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
12:27:22 <hadleybeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
12:27:24 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
12:27:33 <laufer> could you reapeat the proposal, deirdre
Carlos Laufer: could you reapeat the proposal, deirdre ←
12:27:38 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
12:27:44 <laufer> thank you phil
Carlos Laufer: thank you phil ←
12:27:52 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
12:27:53 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
12:28:01 <phila> RESOLVED: Close Issue-52 as there is going to be a glossary
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-52 as there is going to be a glossary ←
12:28:02 <Caroline> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
12:28:02 <phila> close issue-52
Phil Archer: close ISSUE-52 ←
12:28:02 <trackbot> Closed issue-52.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-52. ←
12:28:09 <phila> issue-134?
12:28:09 <trackbot> issue-134 -- About Formats, schemas, vocabularies and data models -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-134 -- About Formats, schemas, vocabularies and data models -- open ←
12:28:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/134
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/134 ←
12:28:18 <laufer> deirdrelee: issue 134
Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-134 [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
12:28:48 <phila> PROPOSED: Close issue-134 as the existence of the glossary answers this point
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-134 as the existence of the glossary answers this point ←
12:28:53 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
12:28:54 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
12:28:56 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
12:28:56 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
12:29:03 <hadleybeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
12:29:03 <Caroline> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
12:29:04 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio: this definitions are in the glossary, according to joao carlos ideas
Bernadette Farias Loscio: this definitions are in the glossary, according to joao carlos ideas [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
12:29:11 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
12:29:16 <phila> RESOLVED: Close issue-134 as the existence of the glossary answers this point
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-134 as the existence of the glossary answers this point ←
12:29:20 <GiselePappa> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
12:29:20 <phila> close issue-134
Phil Archer: close ISSUE-134 ←
12:29:20 <trackbot> Closed issue-134.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-134. ←
12:29:36 <laufer> deirdrelee: i am happy...
Deirdre Lee: i am happy... [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
12:29:54 <hadleybeeman> issue-123?
12:29:54 <trackbot> issue-123 -- Use of SHOULD versus MUST for Sensitive Data -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-123 -- Use of SHOULD versus MUST for Sensitive Data -- open ←
12:29:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/123
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/123 ←
12:30:15 <laufer> who is talking
Carlos Laufer: who is talking ←
12:30:27 <yaso> Hadley, Lau
Yaso Córdova: Hadley, Lau ←
12:30:34 <laufer> hi hadley
Carlos Laufer: hi hadley ←
12:30:46 <hadleybeeman> hi laufer :)
Hadley Beeman: hi laufer :) ←
12:31:31 <laufer> ericstephan: in a sense, I do not see problems in changing the info in teh use cases problems
Eric Stephan: in a sense, I do not see problems in changing the info in teh use cases problems [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
12:31:39 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
12:31:39 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
12:31:52 <phila> ack deirdrelee
Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee ←
12:31:55 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
12:32:01 <ericstephan> q-
Eric Stephan: q- ←
12:32:09 <phila> deirdrelee: I'm happy to take that suggestion, changing SHOULD to MUST
Deirdre Lee: I'm happy to take that suggestion, changing SHOULD to MUST [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
12:32:32 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
12:32:49 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio_
Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio_ ←
12:32:52 <phila> PROPOSED: Requirement concerning Sensitive Data, in the UCR, should use RFC 2119 MUST, not MUST
PROPOSED: Requirement concerning Sensitive Data, in the UCR, should use RFC 2119 MUST, not SHOULD ←
12:33:01 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio_: I think does not to be now
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think does not to be now [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
12:33:04 <hadleybeeman> zakim, bernadetteloscio_ is BernadetteLoscio
Hadley Beeman: zakim, bernadetteloscio_ is BernadetteLoscio ←
12:33:04 <Zakim> sorry, hadleybeeman, I do not recognize a party named 'bernadetteloscio_'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, hadleybeeman, I do not recognize a party named 'bernadetteloscio_' ←
12:33:16 <phila> s/MUST, not MUST/ MUST, not SHOULD/
12:33:16 <ericstephan> draft PROPOSED: lining up the verbage for the Use Case requirements on sensitive data to the verbage in the BP document.
Eric Stephan: draft PROPOSED: lining up the verbage for the Use Case requirements on sensitive data to the verbage in the BP document. ←
12:33:17 <hadleybeeman> zakim, bernadetteloscio is BernadetteLoscio_
Hadley Beeman: zakim, bernadetteloscio is BernadetteLoscio_ ←
12:33:17 <Zakim> sorry, hadleybeeman, I do not recognize a party named 'bernadetteloscio'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, hadleybeeman, I do not recognize a party named 'bernadetteloscio' ←
12:33:20 <laufer> ... we need to read all the document to decide is it is should or must
Carlos Laufer: ... we need to read all the document to decide is it is should or must ←
12:33:31 <laufer> ... we shoul review all the BPs
Carlos Laufer: ... we should review all the BPs ←
12:34:00 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/shoul/should
12:34:01 <ericstephan> sorry phila didn't see yours
Eric Stephan: sorry phila didn't see yours ←
12:34:26 <phila> We are talking only about http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#R-SensitivePrivacy
Phil Archer: We are talking only about http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#R-SensitivePrivacy ←
12:34:29 <laufer> had we to vote eric´s proposal?
Carlos Laufer: had we to vote eric´s proposal? ←
12:34:31 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
12:34:34 <laufer> have
Carlos Laufer: have ←
12:34:42 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan
Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan ←
12:34:55 <laufer> ericstephan: phil could you clarify your proposal
Eric Stephan: phil could you clarify your proposal [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
12:35:13 <ericstephan> PROPOSED: Requirement concerning Sensitive Data, in the UCR, should use RFC 2119 MUST, not should
PROPOSED: Requirement concerning Sensitive Data, in the UCR, should use RFC 2119 MUST, not should ←
12:35:16 <phila> PROPOSED: That Requirement on Sensitive Data should use the world 'must' not should. See http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#R-SensitivePrivacy
PROPOSED: That Requirement on Sensitive Data should use the world 'must' not should. See http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#R-SensitivePrivacy ←
12:35:25 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
12:35:27 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
12:35:34 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
12:35:35 <hadleybeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
12:35:37 <annette_g> 0
Annette Greiner: 0 ←
12:35:38 <GiselePappa> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
12:35:40 <BernadetteLoscio_> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
12:35:42 <phila> issue-123?
12:35:42 <trackbot> issue-123 -- Use of SHOULD versus MUST for Sensitive Data -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-123 -- Use of SHOULD versus MUST for Sensitive Data -- open ←
12:35:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/123
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/123 ←
12:35:42 <Caroline> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
12:35:42 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
12:35:43 <flavio> +1
Flavio Yanai: +1 ←
12:35:52 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
12:36:06 <phila> RESOLVED: That Requirement on Sensitive Data should use the world 'must' not should. See http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#R-SensitivePrivacy
RESOLVED: That Requirement on Sensitive Data should use the world 'must' not should. See http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#R-SensitivePrivacy ←
12:36:10 <phila> close issue-123
Phil Archer: close ISSUE-123 ←
12:36:10 <trackbot> Closed issue-123.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-123. ←
12:36:28 <phila> action: deirdre to change should to must in http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#R-SensitivePrivacy
ACTION: deirdre to change should to must in http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#R-SensitivePrivacy ←
12:36:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-156 - Change should to must in http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp-ucr/#r-sensitiveprivacy [on Deirdre Lee - due 2015-04-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-156 - Change should to must in http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp-ucr/#r-sensitiveprivacy [on Deirdre Lee - due 2015-04-21]. ←
12:36:29 <laufer> deirdrelee: there are 2 issues about data identifiers
Deirdre Lee: there are 2 issues about data identifiers [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
12:36:34 <phila> issue-77?
12:36:34 <trackbot> issue-77 -- We need to bring the COMURI work into the Best Practices format agreed at the TPAC F2F -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-77 -- We need to bring the COMURI work into the Best Practices format agreed at the TPAC F2F -- open ←
12:36:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/77
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/77 ←
12:36:37 <phila> issue-118
12:36:37 <trackbot> issue-118 -- New Requirement suggestion R-VersionURIDesign -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-118 -- New Requirement suggestion R-VersionURIDesign -- open ←
12:36:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/118
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/118 ←
12:36:38 <laufer> ... maybe we could see both together
Carlos Laufer: ... maybe we could see both together ←
12:37:22 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
12:37:46 <laufer> isse 118 New Requirement suggestion R-VersionURIDesign
Carlos Laufer: isse 118 New Requirement suggestion R-VersionURIDesign ←
12:38:00 <BernadetteLoscio_> +q
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +q ←
12:38:20 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
12:38:23 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio_
Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio_ ←
12:38:33 <phila> q+ to talk about http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#ProvideUniqueIdentifiers
Phil Archer: q+ to talk about http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#ProvideUniqueIdentifiers ←
12:38:36 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio_: we try to discusse this with tomas
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we try to discusse this with tomas [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
12:38:50 <laufer> ... now we have this things in separate documents
Carlos Laufer: ... now we have this things in separate documents ←
12:39:03 <laufer> I do not remember exactly what happened
Carlos Laufer: I do not remember exactly what happened ←
12:39:11 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
12:39:17 <laufer> ... tomas worked in the separated document
Carlos Laufer: ... tomas worked in the separated document ←
12:39:35 <laufer> ... but this info was not tranfered for the bp document
Carlos Laufer: ... but this info was not tranfered for the bp document ←
12:39:40 <deirdrelee> http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#ProvideUniqueIdentifiers
Deirdre Lee: http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#ProvideUniqueIdentifiers ←
12:40:05 <laufer> deirdrelee: incorporate the info of the separate document to the bp document
Deirdre Lee: incorporate the info of the separate document to the bp document [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
12:40:10 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g
Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g ←
12:40:25 <laufer> annette_g: annette (thinking)
Annette Greiner: annette (thinking) [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
12:40:45 <Zakim> +??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←
12:40:55 <makx> ZAKIM, ??P12 IS ME
Makx Dekkers: ZAKIM, ??P12 IS ME ←
12:40:55 <Zakim> +makx; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +makx; got it ←
12:41:34 <laufer> annette_g: explaining a relation between apis and URIs
Annette Greiner: explaining a relation between apis and URIs [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
12:41:54 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
12:42:30 <hadleybeeman> This is a big enough topic that I wouldn't be surprised to see it referenced in various sections.
Hadley Beeman: This is a big enough topic that I wouldn't be surprised to see it referenced in various sections. ←
12:42:43 <laufer> annette_g: understanding the issue
Annette Greiner: understanding the issue [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
12:42:59 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
12:42:59 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#ProvideUniqueIdentifiers
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to talk about http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#ProvideUniqueIdentifiers ←
12:43:18 <laufer> phila: there is a couple of things
Phil Archer: there is a couple of things [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
12:43:30 <phila> http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#R-PersistentIdentification
Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#R-PersistentIdentification ←
12:43:37 <laufer> ... in the use case documents we have not the requiremets that we have in the issue
Carlos Laufer: ... in the use case documents we have not the requiremets that we have in the issue ←
12:43:48 <phila> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/118
Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/118 ←
12:43:52 <phila> New Requirement suggestion R-VersionURIDesign from BBC ontology versioning and Metadata
Phil Archer: New Requirement suggestion R-VersionURIDesign from BBC ontology versioning and Metadata ←
12:43:52 <phila> R-VersionURIDesign: “Data should have a canonical way to design URIs for different snapshot of the dataset.”
Phil Archer: R-VersionURIDesign: “Data should have a canonical way to design URIs for different snapshot of the dataset.” ←
12:44:06 <laufer> ... what he is saying is that we need a new requirement of version uri design
Carlos Laufer: ... what he is saying is that we need a new requirement of version uri design ←
12:44:08 <phila> http://www.w3.org/2014/10/31-dwbp-minutes#onedoc
Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/2014/10/31-dwbp-minutes#onedoc ←
12:44:16 <laufer> ... at the moment we have the tomas document
Carlos Laufer: ... at the moment we have the tomas document ←
12:44:21 <phila> http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#ProvideUniqueIdentifiers
Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#ProvideUniqueIdentifiers ←
12:44:29 <laufer> ... we decided in tpac not to publish the document
Carlos Laufer: ... we decided in tpac not to publish the document ←
12:45:06 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
12:45:08 <laufer> phila: what we can do is to close the issue...
Phil Archer: what we can do is to close the issue... [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
12:45:45 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee
Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee ←
12:46:15 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio_: i just want to say that we could close the issue but we need to discuss the bp for identification
Bernadette Farias Loscio: i just want to say that we could close the issue but we need to discuss the bp for identification [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
12:46:29 <laufer> ... maybe later
Carlos Laufer: ... maybe later ←
12:46:32 <hadleybeeman> +1 to BernadetteLoscio_ — this sounds like we have a new issue here.
Hadley Beeman: +1 to BernadetteLoscio_ — this sounds like we have a new issue here. ←
12:46:57 <laufer> PROPOSED: closse the issue 77
PROPOSED: closse the ISSUE-77 ←
12:47:01 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
12:47:04 <hadleybeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
12:47:05 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
12:47:07 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
12:47:14 <Caroline> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
12:47:14 <GiselePappa> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
12:47:16 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
12:47:19 <BernadetteLoscio_> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
12:47:25 <phila> +1 as it is being incorporated in the BP doc (work still to do)
Phil Archer: +1 as it is being incorporated in the BP doc (work still to do) ←
12:47:27 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
12:47:32 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
12:47:35 <NewtonCalegari> +1
Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown NewtonCalegari: +1 ←
12:47:38 <Sumit_Purohit> +1
Sumit Purohit: +1 ←
12:47:39 <makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
12:47:40 <laufer> RESOLVED: close the issue 77
RESOLVED: close the ISSUE-77 ←
12:47:55 <phila> close issue-77
Phil Archer: close ISSUE-77 ←
12:47:55 <trackbot> Closed issue-77.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-77. ←
12:48:04 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
12:48:20 <BernadetteLoscio_> q-
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q- ←
12:48:23 <laufer> deirdrelee: shouk we create an action tho incorporate the things to the bp document?
Deirdre Lee: should we create an action tho incorporate the things to the bp document? [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
12:48:43 <phila> deirdrelee: We can close 118, URI design overall should be included in the BP doc but may not need pulling out in the UCR doc
Deirdre Lee: We can close 118, URI design overall should be included in the BP doc but may not need pulling out in the UCR doc [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
12:48:54 <ericstephan> +1 deirdrelee
Eric Stephan: +1 deirdrelee ←
12:48:56 <phila> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
12:49:00 <laufer> s/shouk/should/
12:49:01 <makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
12:49:15 <phila> PROPOSED: Close Issue-118, because it will be included in the BP doc
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-118, because it will be included in the BP doc ←
12:49:18 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
12:49:19 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
12:49:20 <hadleybeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
12:49:22 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
12:49:23 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
12:49:25 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
12:49:25 <GiselePappa> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
12:49:26 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
12:49:45 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
12:49:59 <hadleybeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
12:50:16 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio_
Phil Archer: ack BernadetteLoscio_ ←
12:50:30 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio_: the uri design will be a requirement?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: the uri design will be a requirement? [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
12:50:32 <phila> RESOLVED: Close Issue-118, because it will be included in the BP doc
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-118, because it will be included in the BP doc ←
12:50:40 <phila> close issue-118
Phil Archer: close ISSUE-118 ←
12:50:40 <trackbot> Closed issue-118.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-118. ←
12:50:53 <phila> ack hadleybeeman
Phil Archer: ack hadleybeeman ←
12:52:01 <laufer> hadleybeeman: there are the actions tyo do these things
Hadley Beeman: there are the actions tyo do these things [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
12:52:03 <phila> I will
Phil Archer: I will ←
12:52:42 <hadleybeeman> I was suggesting we have an action to review it, and a new issue to explain why we were reviewing it.
Hadley Beeman: I was suggesting we have an action to review it, and a new issue to explain why we were reviewing it. ←
12:53:00 <phila> action: phila to work with hadleybeeman to revise the BP on http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#ProvideUniqueIdentifiers and make new suggestions
ACTION: phila to work with hadleybeeman to revise the BP on http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#ProvideUniqueIdentifiers and make new suggestions ←
12:53:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-157 - Work with hadleybeeman to revise the bp on http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp/#provideuniqueidentifiers and make new suggestions [on Phil Archer - due 2015-04-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-157 - Work with hadleybeeman to revise the bp on http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp/#provideuniqueidentifiers and make new suggestions [on Phil Archer - due 2015-04-21]. ←
12:53:17 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
12:54:02 <BernadetteLoscio_> q-
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q- ←
12:54:09 <laufer> deirdrelee: issue 144
Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-144 [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
12:54:24 <phila> Topic: Tech Bias in our docs
12:54:24 <hadleybeeman> issue-144?
12:54:24 <trackbot> issue-144 -- There is a technological bias in several parts of the document -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-144 -- There is a technological bias in several parts of the document -- open ←
12:54:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/144
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/144 ←
12:54:38 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a] ←
12:54:44 <laufer> There is a technological bias in several parts of the document
Carlos Laufer: There is a technological bias in several parts of the document ←
12:54:48 <cgueret> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me
Christophe Gueret: zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me ←
12:54:48 <Zakim> +cgueret; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cgueret; got it ←
12:54:55 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
12:55:18 <laufer> deirdrelee: there is a lot of discussion about this issue
Deirdre Lee: there is a lot of discussion about this issue [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
12:55:29 <phila> deirdrelee: We could acknowledge that there is a tech bias - and be happy with it - or try and remove itr
Deirdre Lee: We could acknowledge that there is a tech bias - and be happy with it - or try and remove itr [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
12:55:32 <yaso> Welcome, cgueret!
Yaso Córdova: Welcome, cgueret! ←
12:55:40 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
12:55:40 <deirdrelee> ack laufer
Deirdre Lee: ack laufer ←
12:55:47 <yaso> q+
Yaso Córdova: q+ ←
12:56:02 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
12:56:18 <annette_g> laufer: we acknowledge that we have this kind of thing. But it's a thing that we'll have to think about for all the docs. It will be an open issue in our minds, but we can close it.
Carlos Laufer: we acknowledge that we have this kind of thing. But it's a thing that we'll have to think about for all the docs. It will be an open issue in our minds, but we can close it. [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ] ←
12:56:27 <ericstephan> +1 laufer
Eric Stephan: +1 laufer ←
12:56:31 <phila> laufer: This issue will be open until the heat death of the universe
Carlos Laufer: This issue will be open until the heat death of the universe [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
12:56:38 <ericstephan> nice :-)
Eric Stephan: nice :-) ←
12:56:50 <yaso> lol
Yaso Córdova: lol ←
12:56:50 <phila> (scribe paraphrase)
Phil Archer: (scribe paraphrase) ←
12:56:58 <hadleybeeman> can we use "until the heat death of the universe" in the document? :)
Hadley Beeman: can we use "until the heat death of the universe" in the document? :) ←
12:56:59 <Zakim> -makx
Zakim IRC Bot: -makx ←
12:57:01 <ericstephan> couldn't it be for the lifetime of our star?
Eric Stephan: couldn't it be for the lifetime of our star? ←
12:57:01 <phila> ack yaso
Phil Archer: ack yaso ←
12:57:45 <deirdrelee> ack yaso
Deirdre Lee: ack yaso ←
12:57:51 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
12:58:02 <laufer> BernadetteLoscio_: is not easy to close this isse
Bernadette Farias Loscio: is not easy to close this isse [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
12:58:12 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio_
Phil Archer: ack BernadetteLoscio_ ←
12:58:13 <laufer> ... in carlos comments about the document
Carlos Laufer: ... in carlos comments about the document ←
12:58:25 <laufer> ... he does not like to use uri as identifiers
Carlos Laufer: ... he does not like to use uri as identifiers ←
12:58:35 <hadleybeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
12:58:39 <yaso> I think that this will be partially solved when we have more clearance on terms definitions by scenarios, situations, things like that
Yaso Córdova: I think that this will be partially solved when we have more clearance on terms definitions by scenarios, situations, things like that ←
12:58:40 <laufer> ... he prefer to use only identifiers...
Carlos Laufer: ... he prefer to use only identifiers... ←
12:58:45 <Sumit_Purohit> +q
Sumit Purohit: +q ←
12:58:47 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
12:58:50 <riccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
12:58:50 <laufer> ... what we would do...
Carlos Laufer: ... what we would do... ←
12:58:54 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
12:59:12 <phila> ack deirdrelee
Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee ←
12:59:25 <laufer> deirdrelee: we decided to be out of scope to talk about the formats
Deirdre Lee: we decided to be out of scope to talk about the formats [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
12:59:45 <phila> deirdrelee: yesterday we decided it was in scope to recommend standards, without exclusing other methods, and we decided that formats were out of scope
Deirdre Lee: yesterday we decided it was in scope to recommend standards, without exclusing other methods, and we decided that formats were out of scope [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:00:10 <phila> deirdrelee: So I think we effectively closed this issue yesterday - we're open to other methods, but we can recommend
Deirdre Lee: So I think we effectively closed this issue yesterday - we're open to other methods, but we can recommend [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:00:38 <phila> deirdrelee: When Hadley and Phil revise the identifier section, they'll have to abide by the scope - formats out, standards in
Deirdre Lee: When Hadley and Phil revise the identifier section, they'll have to abide by the scope - formats out, standards in [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:00:49 <phila> ... so I don't think we shoud spend time talkinbg about it now
Phil Archer: ... so I don't think we shoud spend time talkinbg about it now ←
13:00:53 <phila> ack hadleybeeman
Phil Archer: ack hadleybeeman ←
13:00:57 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
13:01:03 <deirdrelee> ack Sumit_Purohit
Deirdre Lee: ack Sumit_Purohit ←
13:01:24 <laufer> Sumit_Purohit: we can recommend dcat
Sumit Purohit: we can recommend dcat [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
13:01:46 <laufer> ... but we should mantain the right the people to use other things
Carlos Laufer: ... but we should mantain the right the people to use other things ←
13:01:58 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
13:02:07 <phila> q+ to talk about HTTP and URIs
Phil Archer: q+ to talk about HTTP and URIs ←
13:02:31 <phila> +1 to Annette - using alternative IDs is not precluded by the use of URIs
Phil Archer: +1 to Annette - using alternative IDs is not precluded by the use of URIs ←
13:02:43 <laufer> annette_g: having uris as identifiers does not mean that you have to use a specific tec
Annette Greiner: having uris as identifiers does not mean that you have to use a specific tec [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
13:02:54 <ericstephan> +1 annette_g I use examples all the time for thinking about repurposing in other techologies
Eric Stephan: +1 annette_g I use examples all the time for thinking about repurposing in other techologies ←
13:02:57 <hadleybeeman> +1 to Annette that "being on the web" is important here.
Hadley Beeman: +1 to Annette that "being on the web" is important here. ←
13:03:00 <phila> annette_g: It makes not sense to say things need a URI because if they don't, they're not on the Web
Annette Greiner: It makes not sense to say things need a URI because if they don't, they're not on the Web [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:03:17 <phila> zakim, close queue
Phil Archer: zakim, close queue ←
13:03:17 <Zakim> ok, phila, the speaker queue is closed
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, phila, the speaker queue is closed ←
13:03:24 <phila> ack riccardoAlbertoni
Phil Archer: ack riccardoAlbertoni ←
13:03:34 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g
Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g ←
13:03:42 <phila> riccardoAlbertoni: Concerning the bias, whenever anyone raises this issue, we ask them to give an example using anotehr tech
Riccardo Albertoni: Concerning the bias, whenever anyone raises this issue, we ask them to give an example using anotehr tech [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:03:57 <phila> ... if this is too LD oriented, then, OK, give an example of anotehr way
Phil Archer: ... if this is too LD oriented, then, OK, give an example of anotehr way ←
13:04:03 <cgueret> URN are not on the Web, are they ? and still they are URI too ;-)
Christophe Gueret: URN are not on the Web, are they ? and still they are URI too ;-) ←
13:04:11 <phila> Phila +1 to riccardoAlbertoni
Phil Archer: Phila +1 to riccardoAlbertoni ←
13:04:19 <phila> ack laufer
Phil Archer: ack laufer ←
13:04:47 <annette_g> +1 to laufer
Annette Greiner: +1 to laufer ←
13:05:29 <phila> laufer: Is it bias or is it design? (I think is what he's saying)
Carlos Laufer: Is it bias or is it design? (I think is what he's saying) [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:05:31 <deirdrelee> issue-144?
13:05:31 <trackbot> issue-144 -- There is a technological bias in several parts of the document -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-144 -- There is a technological bias in several parts of the document -- open ←
13:05:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/144
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/144 ←
13:05:33 <ericstephan> +1 to laufer, however death of the star, I have hope for more standards based civilizations
Eric Stephan: +1 to laufer, however death of the star, I have hope for more standards based civilizations ←
13:05:48 <annette_g> Laufer: the issue of bias can't be addressed all as one issue. We need to have specific issues to address.
Carlos Laufer: the issue of bias can't be addressed all as one issue. We need to have specific issues to address. [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ] ←
13:05:49 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
13:05:49 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about HTTP and URIs
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to talk about HTTP and URIs ←
13:06:23 <cgueret> ^_^
Christophe Gueret: ^_^ ←
13:06:33 <cgueret> +1 to Phil for https !
Christophe Gueret: +1 to Phil for https ! ←
13:06:47 <NewtonCalegari> http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html
Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown NewtonCalegari: http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html ←
13:06:53 <yaso> +1 to https!!
Yaso Córdova: +1 to https!! ←
13:07:23 <hadleybeeman> phila: W3C is recommending https, rather than http. When Hadley and I look at this, we will take that into account for data too.
Phil Archer: W3C is recommending https, rather than http. When Hadley and I look at this, we will take that into account for data too. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
13:07:40 <ericstephan> hypertext transfer protocol stephan (https)
Eric Stephan: hypertext transfer protocol stephan (https) ←
13:07:44 <hadleybeeman> ...For those of you concerned with SEO, https:// by default increases your pageRank.
Hadley Beeman: ...For those of you concerned with SEO, https:// by default increases your pageRank. ←
13:07:59 <phila> issue: Whether we should recommend HTTPS by default, rather than HTTP
ISSUE: Whether we should recommend HTTPS by default, rather than HTTP ←
13:07:59 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-161 - Whether we should recommend https by default, rather than http. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/161/edit>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-161 - Whether we should recommend https by default, rather than http. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/161/edit>. ←
13:08:14 <ericstephan> sounds great
Eric Stephan: sounds great ←
13:08:21 <cgueret> yup, I'm all for it
Christophe Gueret: yup, I'm all for it ←
13:08:22 <phila> That is the issue cgueret - and consensus is hard to come by
Phil Archer: That is the issue cgueret - and consensus is hard to come by ←
13:08:22 <annette_g> * cgueret, my thought, too, but what happens when you get it wrong in your browser?
Annette Greiner: * cgueret, my thought, too, but what happens when you get it wrong in your browser? ←
13:08:23 <hadleybeeman> rrsagent, pointer?
Hadley Beeman: rrsagent, pointer? ←
13:08:23 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-irc#T13-08-23
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-irc#T13-08-23 ←
13:08:51 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Close issue-144, scope will keep technological bias in mind
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-144, scope will keep technological bias in mind ←
13:08:56 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
13:09:03 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
13:09:03 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
13:09:12 <cgueret> +1
Christophe Gueret: +1 ←
13:09:17 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
13:09:18 <phila> (the sun just went in...)
Phil Archer: (the sun just went in...) ←
13:09:24 <ericstephan> laufer smiling
Eric Stephan: laufer smiling ←
13:09:31 <phila> RESOLVED: Close issue-144, scope will keep technological bias in min
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-144, scope will keep technological bias in min ←
13:09:35 <ericstephan> su-mit su-mit
Eric Stephan: su-mit su-mit ←
13:09:39 <Sumit_Purohit> scribe:sumit
(Scribe set to Sumit Purohit)
13:09:49 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
13:10:03 <BernadetteLoscio_> -1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: -1 ←
13:10:24 <ericstephan> no kicking needed, sumit has spunk :-)
Eric Stephan: no kicking needed, sumit has spunk :-) ←
13:10:35 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
13:11:10 <laufer> the queue is closed for me... it is not fair
Carlos Laufer: the queue is closed for me... it is not fair ←
13:11:14 <Sumit_Purohit> BernadetteLoscio_ : yaso made some changes in the document based on carlos idea, but it is not resolved as yet......
BernadetteLoscio_ : yaso made some changes in the document based on carlos idea, but it is not resolved as yet...... ←
13:11:26 <Sumit_Purohit> .....so the issue is still open
.....so the issue is still open ←
13:11:27 <yaso> q+
Yaso Córdova: q+ ←
13:12:35 <deirdrelee> zakim, queue is open
Deirdre Lee: zakim, queue is open ←
13:12:35 <Zakim> sorry, deirdrelee, I do not recognize a party named 'queue'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, deirdrelee, I do not recognize a party named 'queue' ←
13:12:45 <Sumit_Purohit> deirdrelee: we as a group will decide to accept or reject recommendations we get from hadley and Phil
Deirdre Lee: we as a group will decide to accept or reject recommendations we get from hadley and Phil ←
13:12:53 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
13:13:15 <Sumit_Purohit> laufer: if its a thing i have to access over the web, its an URI
Carlos Laufer: if its a thing i have to access over the web, its an URI ←
13:13:33 <hadleybeeman> zakim, open the queue
Hadley Beeman: zakim, open the queue ←
13:13:33 <Zakim> ok, hadleybeeman, the speaker queue is open
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, hadleybeeman, the speaker queue is open ←
13:13:37 <Sumit_Purohit> ...if you use it in your own context, you can have anything you want.
...if you use it in your own context, you can have anything you want. ←
13:13:46 <Sumit_Purohit> but if it is over web, its a URI
but if it is over web, its a URI ←
13:13:49 <ericstephan> that's fine
Eric Stephan: that's fine ←
13:13:52 <yaso> ok!
Yaso Córdova: ok! ←
13:14:28 <hadleybeeman> +1 to deirdrelee on creating a new issue
Hadley Beeman: +1 to deirdrelee on creating a new issue ←
13:14:55 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio_- trying to speak
Eric Stephan: BernadetteLoscio_- trying to speak ←
13:14:56 <yaso> Deirdre, I think that BernadetteLoscio_ has some comments on that
Yaso Córdova: Deirdre, I think that BernadetteLoscio_ has some comments on that ←
13:14:57 <Sumit_Purohit> Austin.....want to talk....
Austin.....want to talk.... ←
13:14:59 <annette_g> can you hear us?
Annette Greiner: can you hear us? ←
13:15:47 <ericstephan> scribe: ericstephan
(Scribe set to Eric Stephan)
13:16:03 <phila> issue: Should the BP document refer to URIs or Identifiers
ISSUE: Should the BP document refer to URIs or Identifiers ←
13:16:03 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-163 - Should the bp document refer to uris or identifiers. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/163/edit>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-163 - Should the bp document refer to uris or identifiers. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/163/edit>. ←
13:16:16 <hadleybeeman> rrsagent, pointer?
Hadley Beeman: rrsagent, pointer? ←
13:16:16 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-irc#T13-16-16
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-irc#T13-16-16 ←
13:16:22 <ericstephan> deirdrelee: following agenda now BernadetteLoscio_ and will cover this at the end of the meeting if we have time. Is that fair?
Deirdre Lee: following agenda now BernadetteLoscio_ and will cover this at the end of the meeting if we have time. Is that fair? ←
13:16:26 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio_: ok
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ok ←
13:16:49 <phila> Topic: Archiving and Preservation
13:16:58 <cgueret> yeah! :-)
Christophe Gueret: yeah! :-) ←
13:16:59 <phila> Step forward Dr Gueret...
Phil Archer: Step forward Dr Gueret... ←
13:17:10 <deirdrelee> issue-62?
13:17:10 <trackbot> issue-62 -- What info is given when dereferencing a persistent identifier after the resource has been removed/archived -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-62 -- What info is given when dereferencing a persistent identifier after the resource has been removed/archived -- open ←
13:17:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/62
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/62 ←
13:17:14 <deirdrelee> issue-63?
13:17:14 <trackbot> issue-63 -- If a resource is archived, is the correct response 410, 303 or something else? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-63 -- If a resource is archived, is the correct response 410, 303 or something else? -- open ←
13:17:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/63
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/63 ←
13:17:17 <deirdrelee> issue-143?
13:17:17 <trackbot> issue-143 -- Is Data Preservation in the scope of the DWBP document? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-143 -- Is Data Preservation in the scope of the DWBP document? -- open ←
13:17:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/143
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/143 ←
13:17:21 <ericstephan> beyond data-dome
beyond data-dome ←
13:17:27 <cgueret> give me a sec, I need to move to a place where I can speak....
Christophe Gueret: give me a sec, I need to move to a place where I can speak.... ←
13:17:55 <phila> I think 62 and 63 are the same
Phil Archer: I think 62 and 63 are the same ←
13:18:04 <ericstephan> deirdrelee: I propose that preservation and archiving are in scope
Deirdre Lee: I propose that preservation and archiving are in scope ←
13:18:20 <cgueret> +1
Christophe Gueret: +1 ←
13:19:05 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
13:19:07 <ericstephan> deirdrelee: looking at issue-143 first for a more fundamental question
Deirdre Lee: looking at ISSUE-143 first for a more fundamental question ←
13:19:08 <phila> phila: Let's look at 143 first which will decide whether the other are relevant
Phil Archer: Let's look at 143 first which will decide whether the other are relevant [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:19:15 <Zakim> -cgueret
Zakim IRC Bot: -cgueret ←
13:19:17 <deirdrelee> ack laufer
Deirdre Lee: ack laufer ←
13:19:41 <ericstephan> laufer: looking at description of issue, persistence, versioning and data preservation.
Carlos Laufer: looking at description of issue, persistence, versioning and data preservation. ←
13:19:55 <ericstephan> laufer: archiving is a must
Carlos Laufer: archiving is a must ←
13:20:16 <ericstephan> laufer: I don't know what we will write in this BP we must have preservation.
Carlos Laufer: I don't know what we will write in this BP we must have preservation. ←
13:20:19 <phila> Draft proposal - that data archiving (taking data offline) is out of scope, but what is left on the Web after archiving has taken place *is* in scope
Phil Archer: Draft proposal - that data archiving (taking data offline) is out of scope, but what is left on the Web after archiving has taken place *is* in scope ←
13:20:21 <deirdrelee> bp doc: http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataPreservation
Deirdre Lee: bp doc: http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataPreservation ←
13:20:24 <ericstephan> laufer: versioning may be optional
Carlos Laufer: versioning may be optional ←
13:20:28 <phila> q+ to make my proposal
Phil Archer: q+ to make my proposal ←
13:20:34 <ericstephan> laufer: shouldn't be handled the same way
Carlos Laufer: shouldn't be handled the same way ←
13:20:49 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a] ←
13:21:02 <cgueret_> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me
Christophe Gueret: zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me ←
13:21:02 <Zakim> +cgueret_; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cgueret_; got it ←
13:21:24 <ericstephan> deirdrelee: just to clear data preservation and archiving are in scope laufer?
Deirdre Lee: just to clear data preservation and archiving are in scope laufer? ←
13:21:39 <ericstephan> laufer: data preservation and archiving are the same thing to me
Carlos Laufer: data preservation and archiving are not the same thing to me ←
13:21:58 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
13:21:59 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to make my proposal
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to make my proposal ←
13:22:24 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
13:22:28 <cgueret_> q+ to say I agree with Phil
Christophe Gueret: q+ to say I agree with Phil ←
13:22:29 <annette_g> +1 to phil
Annette Greiner: +1 to phil ←
13:22:46 <ericstephan> phila: I think there are boundaries when you go out of scope, if you get to the point where you go offline, what is the stuff you leave behind?
Phil Archer: I think there are boundaries when you go out of scope, if you get to the point where you go offline, what is the stuff you leave behind? ←
13:22:47 <laufer> s/are the same/are not the same/
13:23:06 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to deirdrelee
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to deirdrelee ←
13:23:06 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
13:23:15 <Sumit_Purohit> +1 deirdrelee
Sumit Purohit: +1 deirdrelee ←
13:23:21 <Sumit_Purohit> scribe : sumit
Sumit Purohit: scribe : sumit ←
13:23:22 <deirdrelee> ack me
Deirdre Lee: ack me ←
13:23:24 <ericstephan> deirdrelee: once it goes offline it goes out of scope.
Deirdre Lee: once it goes offline it goes out of scope. ←
13:23:25 <hadleybeeman> +1 to deirdrelee
Hadley Beeman: +1 to deirdrelee ←
13:23:27 <phila> ack cgueret
Phil Archer: ack cgueret ←
13:23:27 <Zakim> cgueret_, you wanted to say I agree with Phil
Zakim IRC Bot: cgueret_, you wanted to say I agree with Phil ←
13:23:35 <laufer> s/are not the same/are the same/
13:23:53 <ericstephan> having problems hearing
having problems hearing ←
13:24:11 <cgueret_> oh :/
Christophe Gueret: oh :/ ←
13:24:23 <cgueret_> and there is the accent too :-p
Christophe Gueret: and there is the accent too :-p ←
13:24:29 <Sumit_Purohit> austin can not hear as well
Sumit Purohit: austin can not hear as well ←
13:24:57 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:25:00 <cgueret_> fully agree with Phil and deirdree but we should not say everything must be preserved
Christophe Gueret: fully agree with Phil and deirdree but we should not say everything must be preserved ←
13:25:10 <phila> PROPOSED: That we recognise that archiving is part of the lifecycle of data management. How data is managed in an offline repository is out of scope, however, what is left on the Web after archiving has taken place *is* in scope.
PROPOSED: That we recognise that archiving is part of the lifecycle of data management. How data is managed in an offline repository is out of scope, however, what is left on the Web after archiving has taken place *is* in scope. ←
13:25:13 <cgueret_> the decision on sending something to an archive is up to the publisher
Christophe Gueret: the decision on sending something to an archive is up to the publisher ←
13:25:22 <Sumit_Purohit> +q
Sumit Purohit: +q ←
13:25:27 <cgueret_> we should give indications on what to do with the remaining URIs
Christophe Gueret: we should give indications on what to do with the remaining URIs ←
13:25:38 <cgueret_> which still exist even if the data is taken offline
Christophe Gueret: which still exist even if the data is taken offline ←
13:25:43 <phila> ack annette_g
Phil Archer: ack annette_g ←
13:26:21 <Sumit_Purohit> annette_g: we need to stick with context on the data on the web ,such as persistent is in scope, but not archiving
Annette Greiner: we need to stick with context on the data on the web ,such as persistent is in scope, but not archiving [ Scribe Assist by Sumit Purohit ] ←
13:26:27 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
13:26:28 <ericstephan> +1 annette_g
+1 annette_g ←
13:26:33 <phila> +1 annette_g
Phil Archer: +1 annette_g ←
13:26:37 <cgueret_> +1
Christophe Gueret: +1 ←
13:26:37 <phila> ack Sumit_Purohit
Phil Archer: ack Sumit_Purohit ←
13:26:59 <ericstephan> Sumit_Purohit: I was agreeing with what laufer said that archiving and preservation go hand in hand
Sumit Purohit: I was agreeing with what laufer said that archiving and preservation go hand in hand ←
13:27:10 <cgueret_> it would be also good for us to make it clear that archiving the Web of Data is not quite the same as archiving the Web of Documents
Christophe Gueret: it would be also good for us to make it clear that archiving the Web of Data is not quite the same as archiving the Web of Documents ←
13:27:51 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
13:27:53 <Sumit_Purohit> laufer: its a Question, when we have deliverables, we have draft, we do access all the older version.
Carlos Laufer: its a Question, when we have deliverables, we have draft, we do access all the older version. [ Scribe Assist by Sumit Purohit ] ←
13:27:55 <deirdrelee> ack laufer
Deirdre Lee: ack laufer ←
13:28:24 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
13:28:24 <hadleybeeman> It sounds like we're down to definitions again. What is "archiving"? We should write that.
Hadley Beeman: It sounds like we're down to definitions again. What is "archiving"? We should write that. ←
13:28:28 <Sumit_Purohit> ....but if we have all the documents available then it is a best practice....you should have access to all the deliverables
Sumit Purohit: ....but if we have all the documents available then it is a best practice....you should have access to all the deliverables ←
13:28:29 <cgueret_> -1 to laufer. Archiving is not a matter of giving access to all data
Christophe Gueret: -1 to laufer. Archiving is not a matter of giving online access to all data ←
13:28:51 <cgueret_> s/giving access/giving online access/
13:29:16 <phila> deirdrelee: Should there be a reference to versioning if we have a spedcific BP about archiving...
Deirdre Lee: Should there be a reference to versioning if we have a specific BP about archiving... [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:29:29 <cgueret_> versioning is related to preservation but that's not a strict coupling. You can have one without the other
Christophe Gueret: versioning is related to preservation but that's not a strict coupling. You can have one without the other ←
13:29:30 <phila> ... and to recommend that there should be a specific BP on the topic
Phil Archer: ... and to recommend that there should be a specific BP on the topic ←
13:30:07 <laufer> cgueret_: I am not saying that you must give the access... but you may... and I think that for some types of data it is a bp to do that...
Christophe Gueret: I am not saying that you must give the access... but you may... and I think that for some types of data it is a bp to do that... [ Scribe Assist by Carlos Laufer ] ←
13:30:29 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/spedcific/specific
13:30:30 <cgueret_> laufer, ok then :)
Christophe Gueret: laufer, ok then :) ←
13:30:49 <phila> PROPOSED: That we recognise that archiving is part of data management. How data is managed in an offline repository is out of scope, however, what is left on the Web after archiving has taken place *is* in scope. There will be at least one Best Practice on this topic. Versioning needs to be taken into account.
PROPOSED: That we recognise that archiving is part of data management. How data is managed in an offline repository is out of scope, however, what is left on the Web after archiving has taken place *is* in scope. There will be at least one Best Practice on this topic. Versioning needs to be taken into account. ←
13:31:04 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
13:31:09 <cgueret_> +1
Christophe Gueret: +1 ←
13:31:11 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
13:31:11 <ericstephan> +1
+1 ←
13:31:21 <cgueret_> (we're allowed to vote now, right ?)
Christophe Gueret: (we're allowed to vote now, right ?) ←
13:31:27 <hadleybeeman> Well articulated, phila.
Hadley Beeman: Well articulated, phila. ←
13:31:31 <phila> ack annette_g
Phil Archer: ack annette_g ←
13:31:33 <Sumit_Purohit> +1
Sumit Purohit: +1 ←
13:31:40 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee
Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee ←
13:31:53 <Sumit_Purohit> annette_g: data preservation should be offline as well as online....
Annette Greiner: data preservation should be offline as well as online.... [ Scribe Assist by Sumit Purohit ] ←
13:31:58 <cgueret_> Probably the longest proposal we've voted on so far ;-)
Christophe Gueret: Probably the longest proposal we've voted on so far ;-) ←
13:32:13 <Sumit_Purohit> ......if we put some sort of encouragement then it is OK
Sumit Purohit: ......if we put some sort of encouragement then it is OK ←
13:32:17 <hadleybeeman> @annette_g, to whose mind is that a bad practice?
Hadley Beeman: @annette_g, to whose mind is that a bad practice? ←
13:32:31 <Sumit_Purohit> ......it is not a good idea to treat web servers as data archiving system
Sumit Purohit: ......it is not a good idea to treat web servers as data archiving system ←
13:32:51 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio_
Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio_ ←
13:32:53 <hadleybeeman> (Sorry annette_g, that sounded very combative. I didn't mean that — just that it sounds like it may be something from a community that isn't just Data on the Web.)
Hadley Beeman: (Sorry annette_g, that sounded very combative. I didn't mean that — just that it sounds like it may be something from a community that isn't just Data on the Web.) ←
13:33:05 <annette_g> @hadleybeeman, anyone who worries about security
Annette Greiner: @hadleybeeman, anyone who worries about security ←
13:33:10 <Sumit_Purohit> BernadetteLoscio_: we have a section about data preservation but we removed it from the document...
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we have a section about data preservation but we removed it from the document... [ Scribe Assist by Sumit Purohit ] ←
13:33:16 <Sumit_Purohit> are we talking about new BP ?
Sumit Purohit: are we talking about new BP ? ←
13:33:37 <hadleybeeman> @annette_g I wish we could explore that over coffee. Sounds a) very interesting, and b) may in scope but maybe not?
Hadley Beeman: @annette_g I wish we could explore that over coffee. Sounds a) very interesting, and b) may in scope but maybe not? ←
13:33:51 <cgueret_> +1 to reuse what I did before ;-)
Christophe Gueret: +1 to reuse what I did before ;-) ←
13:34:03 <BernadetteLoscio_> +q
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +q ←
13:34:04 <Sumit_Purohit> ....we should review work of christoph...
Sumit Purohit: ....we should review work of christoph... ←
13:34:14 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio_
Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio_ ←
13:34:19 <ericstephan> +1 BernadetteLoscio_
+1 BernadetteLoscio_ ←
13:34:24 <hadleybeeman> +1 to that, BernadetteLoscio_
Hadley Beeman: +1 to that, BernadetteLoscio_ ←
13:34:26 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to BernadetteLoscio_
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to BernadetteLoscio_ ←
13:34:29 <cgueret_> +1
Christophe Gueret: +1 ←
13:34:34 <Sumit_Purohit> BernadetteLoscio_: ...we should also add data definition of archiving on glossory
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ...we should also add data definition of archiving and presentation and preservation on glossary [ Scribe Assist by Sumit Purohit ] ←
13:34:39 <deirdrelee> +1 to BernadetteLoscio_
Deirdre Lee: +1 to BernadetteLoscio_ ←
13:34:47 <cgueret_> can you make an action for me ?
Christophe Gueret: can you make an action for me ? ←
13:34:49 <Sumit_Purohit> s/glossory/glossary
13:34:54 <NewtonCalegari> or in github: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/glossary.html
Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown NewtonCalegari: or in github: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/glossary.html ←
13:35:14 <riccardoAlbertoni> PROPOSED: That we recognise that archiving is part of data management. How data is managed in an offline repository is out of scope, however, what is left on the Web after archiving has taken place *is* in scope. There will be at least one Best Practice on this topic. Versioning needs to be taken into account.
PROPOSED: That we recognise that archiving is part of data management. How data is managed in an offline repository is out of scope, however, what is left on the Web after archiving has taken place *is* in scope. There will be at least one Best Practice on this topic. Versioning needs to be taken into account. ←
13:35:17 <hadleybeeman> s/of archiving/of archiving and presentation and preservation
13:35:31 <cgueret_> I'll also get the glossary definition validated by an archivist here
Christophe Gueret: I'll also get the glossary definition validated by an archivist here ←
13:35:32 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
13:35:36 <Sumit_Purohit> +1
Sumit Purohit: +1 ←
13:35:37 <hadleybeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
13:35:38 <cgueret_> +1
Christophe Gueret: +1 ←
13:35:39 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
13:35:42 <GiselePappa> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
13:35:42 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
13:35:44 <ericstephan> +1
+1 ←
13:35:46 <NewtonCalegari> +1
Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown NewtonCalegari: +1 ←
13:35:49 <BernadetteLoscio_> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
13:35:49 <Caroline> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
13:35:51 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
13:35:52 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
13:36:12 <Caroline> +1to cgueret_ to get the glossary definition validated by an archivist
Caroline Burle: +1to cgueret_ to get the glossary definition validated by an archivist ←
13:36:40 <deirdrelee> action: deirdrelee to add preservtion text to scope
ACTION: deirdrelee to add preservtion text to scope ←
13:36:40 <trackbot> Error finding 'deirdrelee'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'deirdrelee'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>. ←
13:36:57 <deirdrelee> action: deirdre to add preservtion text to scope
ACTION: deirdre to add preservtion text to scope ←
13:36:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-158 - Add preservtion text to scope [on Deirdre Lee - due 2015-04-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-158 - Add preservtion text to scope [on Deirdre Lee - due 2015-04-21]. ←
13:37:12 <deirdrelee> action: christoph to define preseravation bp
ACTION: christoph to define preseravation bp ←
13:37:12 <trackbot> Error finding 'christoph'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'christoph'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>. ←
13:37:25 <phila> action: cgueret to write a definition of archiving (and preservation) in the glossary (again!)
ACTION: cgueret to write a definition of archiving (and preservation) in the glossary (again!) ←
13:37:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-159 - Write a definition of archiving (and preservation) in the glossary (again!) [on Christophe Gueret - due 2015-04-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-159 - Write a definition of archiving (and preservation) in the glossary (again!) [on Christophe Gueret - due 2015-04-21]. ←
13:37:47 <deirdrelee> action: cgueret to write a bp on preservation in bp doc
ACTION: cgueret to write a bp on preservation in bp doc ←
13:37:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-160 - Write a bp on preservation in bp doc [on Christophe Gueret - due 2015-04-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-160 - Write a bp on preservation in bp doc [on Christophe Gueret - due 2015-04-21]. ←
13:38:30 <phila> close issue-143
Phil Archer: close ISSUE-143 ←
13:38:30 <trackbot> Closed issue-143.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-143. ←
13:38:36 <annette_g> * PROPOSED: that we get coffee
Annette Greiner: * PROPOSED: that we get coffee ←
13:38:42 <cgueret_> +1 annette_g
Christophe Gueret: +1 annette_g ←
13:38:45 <ericstephan> +1 its just a plus one kind of day
+1 its just a plus one kind of day ←
13:38:45 <phila> Which leaves Issues 62 and 63 for after coffee
Phil Archer: Which leaves Issues 62 and 63 for after coffee ←
13:38:46 <yaso> +1 to annette_g
Yaso Córdova: +1 to annette_g ←
13:38:52 <Sumit_Purohit> coffee break time NOW...
Sumit Purohit: coffee break time NOW... ←
13:39:05 <Sumit_Purohit> 20 min break
Sumit Purohit: 20 min break ←
13:39:12 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman ←
13:39:24 <phila> Thanks Christophe
Phil Archer: Thanks Christophe ←
13:39:34 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
13:39:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
13:40:23 <phila> zakim, list participants
Phil Archer: zakim, list participants ←
13:40:23 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been [IPcaller], HadleyBeeman, phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni, makx, cgueret, cgueret_
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been [IPcaller], HadleyBeeman, phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni, makx, cgueret, cgueret_ ←
13:40:30 <Zakim> -cgueret_
Zakim IRC Bot: -cgueret_ ←
13:40:35 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
13:40:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
13:41:13 <phila> zakim, ipcaller is Austin
Phil Archer: zakim, ipcaller is Austin ←
13:41:13 <Zakim> +Austin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Austin; got it ←
13:41:59 <phila> zakim, Austin has Bernadette, Caroline, Eric S, Flavio, Gisele, Laufer, Newton, Sumit, Yaso
Phil Archer: zakim, Austin has Bernadette, Caroline, Eric S, Flavio, Gisele, Laufer, Newton, Sumit, Yaso ←
13:41:59 <Zakim> +Bernadette, Caroline, Eric, S, Flavio, Gisele, Laufer, Newton, Sumit, Yaso; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Bernadette, Caroline, Eric, S, Flavio, Gisele, Laufer, Newton, Sumit, Yaso; got it ←
13:42:11 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
13:42:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
13:42:26 <Zakim> -Austin
Scribe problem: the name 'Austin' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Zakim IRC Bot: -Austin ←
13:42:40 <phila> zakim, list participants
Phil Archer: zakim, list participants ←
13:42:40 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been HadleyBeeman, phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni, makx, cgueret, cgueret_, Bernadette, Caroline, Eric, S, Flavio, Gisele, Laufer, Newton,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been HadleyBeeman, phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni, makx, cgueret, cgueret_, Bernadette, Caroline, Eric, S, Flavio, Gisele, Laufer, Newton, ←
13:42:43 <Zakim> ... Sumit, Yaso
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Sumit, Yaso ←
13:42:50 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
13:42:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
13:59:27 <NewtonCalegari> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g4vna23i4mz4l6doovo34sysm4a
Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
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Unknown NewtonCalegari: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g4vna23i4mz4l6doovo34sysm4a ←
13:59:37 <deirdrelee> Hi, welcome back
Deirdre Lee: Hi, welcome back ←
14:01:50 <Caroline> Hello! :)
Caroline Burle: Hello! :) ←
14:02:29 <deirdrelee> Let's get started guys & gals...
Deirdre Lee: Let's get started guys & gals... ←
14:03:47 <NewtonCalegari> Austin is calling
Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown NewtonCalegari: Austin is calling ←
14:04:02 <deirdrelee> cool
Deirdre Lee: cool ←
14:04:09 <yaso> dialing again
Yaso Córdova: dialing again ←
14:04:30 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:04:45 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?
Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is here? ←
14:04:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ipswich, [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ipswich, [IPcaller] ←
14:04:47 <Zakim> Ipswich has phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni
Zakim IRC Bot: Ipswich has phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni ←
14:04:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see annette_g, Caroline, flavio, yaso, phila, Sumit_Purohit, GiselePappa, BernadetteLoscio_, NewtonCalegari, laufer, ericstephan, makx, deirdrelee, Zakim, RRSAgent,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see annette_g, Caroline, flavio, yaso, phila, Sumit_Purohit, GiselePappa, BernadetteLoscio_, NewtonCalegari, laufer, ericstephan, makx, deirdrelee, Zakim, RRSAgent, ←
14:04:47 <Zakim> ... riccardoAlbertoni, rhiaro, hadleybeeman, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... riccardoAlbertoni, rhiaro, hadleybeeman, trackbot ←
14:05:16 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman ←
14:06:43 <Zakim> +riccardoAlbertoni
Zakim IRC Bot: +riccardoAlbertoni ←
14:06:53 <Caroline> scribe: Caroline
(Scribe set to Caroline Burle)
14:07:13 <deirdrelee> issue-62?
14:07:13 <trackbot> issue-62 -- What info is given when dereferencing a persistent identifier after the resource has been removed/archived -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-62 -- What info is given when dereferencing a persistent identifier after the resource has been removed/archived -- open ←
14:07:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/62
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/62 ←
14:07:16 <deirdrelee> issue-63?
14:07:16 <trackbot> issue-63 -- If a resource is archived, is the correct response 410, 303 or something else? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-63 -- If a resource is archived, is the correct response 410, 303 or something else? -- open ←
14:07:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/63
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/63 ←
14:07:35 <phila> q+ to make a suggestion
Phil Archer: q+ to make a suggestion ←
14:07:41 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
14:07:41 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to make a suggestion
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to make a suggestion ←
14:07:46 <Caroline> deirdrelee: sorry, I couldn't hear you
Deirdre Lee: sorry, I couldn't hear you ←
14:08:10 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?
Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is here? ←
14:08:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ipswich, [IPcaller], HadleyBeeman, riccardoAlbertoni
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ipswich, [IPcaller], HadleyBeeman, riccardoAlbertoni ←
14:08:12 <Zakim> Ipswich has phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni
Zakim IRC Bot: Ipswich has phila, deirdrelee, riccardoalbertoni ←
14:08:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see annette_g, Caroline, flavio, yaso, phila, Sumit_Purohit, GiselePappa, BernadetteLoscio_, NewtonCalegari, laufer, ericstephan, makx, deirdrelee, Zakim, RRSAgent,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see annette_g, Caroline, flavio, yaso, phila, Sumit_Purohit, GiselePappa, BernadetteLoscio_, NewtonCalegari, laufer, ericstephan, makx, deirdrelee, Zakim, RRSAgent, ←
14:08:12 <Zakim> ... riccardoAlbertoni, rhiaro, hadleybeeman, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... riccardoAlbertoni, rhiaro, hadleybeeman, trackbot ←
14:08:17 <Caroline> yes
yes ←
14:08:20 <Caroline> thank you1
thank you1 ←
14:08:48 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
14:09:14 <phila> ack ericstephan
Phil Archer: ack ericstephan ←
14:09:17 <Caroline> sorry, phila please write down this
sorry, phila please write down this ←
14:09:58 <Caroline> ericstephan: when you take something offline but it still there
Eric Stephan: when you take something offline but it still there ←
14:10:09 <Caroline> .... somehow is not available
.... somehow is not available ←
14:10:16 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
14:10:24 <yaso> I think we should presume that data can always be back to online environments
Yaso Córdova: I think we should presume that data can always be back to online environments ←
14:10:26 <Caroline> phila, please talk not so close of the mic
phila, please talk not so close of the mic ←
14:10:42 <deirdrelee> ack laufer
Deirdre Lee: ack laufer ←
14:10:54 <Zakim> -riccardoAlbertoni
Zakim IRC Bot: -riccardoAlbertoni ←
14:11:05 <Caroline> laufer: issue 63, are we going to describe what archive on th web is?
Carlos Laufer: ISSUE-63, are we going to describe what archive on th web is? ←
14:11:09 <phila> phila: I was saying that it's very context dependent. If the URI always pointed to a landing page then update the landing page. If the URI pointed to the data, make it a 303 to a page giving info about the data and how to get it. basic rule - don't just delete and leave us with a 404
Phil Archer: I was saying that it's very context dependent. If the URI always pointed to a landing page then update the landing page. If the URI pointed to the data, make it a 303 to a page giving info about the data and how to get it. basic rule - don't just delete and leave us with a 404 [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
14:11:18 <Caroline> ... is that on our scope?
... is that on our scope? ←
14:11:33 <Caroline> phila: we are not archiving on the web
Phil Archer: we are not archiving on the web ←
14:11:57 <yaso> +1 to phila
Yaso Córdova: +1 to phila ←
14:12:01 <Caroline> deirdrelee: we are talking about what happen with the identifier
Deirdre Lee: we are talking about what happen with the identifier ←
14:12:15 <Caroline> laufer: to me seems that we have a broken link
Carlos Laufer: to me seems that we have a broken link ←
14:12:16 <ericstephan> Its fine tuning conditions rather than a boolean 404
Eric Stephan: Its fine tuning conditions rather than a boolean 404 ←
14:12:23 <annette_g> q+ to ask if this issue is specific to data on the web
Annette Greiner: q+ to ask if this issue is specific to data on the web ←
14:12:25 <Caroline> deirdrelee: it is not necessarly a broken link
Deirdre Lee: it is not necessarly a broken link ←
14:12:42 <Caroline> laufer: if I archive something it does mean the linke would be broken?
Carlos Laufer: if I archive something it does mean the linke would be broken? ←
14:12:46 <ericstephan> Yes it would be broken, but it would have an explanation
Eric Stephan: Yes it would be broken, but it would have an explanation ←
14:12:47 <phila> phila: I want to avoid broken links, even if the data has been removd
Phil Archer: I want to avoid broken links, even if the data has been removd [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
14:13:08 <Caroline> +1 to phila
+1 to phila ←
14:13:22 <Caroline> annette_g: maybe this issue is out of scope
Annette Greiner: maybe this issue is out of scope ←
14:13:42 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g
Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g ←
14:13:42 <Zakim> annette_g, you wanted to ask if this issue is specific to data on the web
Zakim IRC Bot: annette_g, you wanted to ask if this issue is specific to data on the web ←
14:13:42 <ericstephan> +1 phila
Eric Stephan: +1 phila ←
14:13:47 <Caroline> ... maybe talking about momento would be ok
... maybe talking about memento would be ok ←
14:13:55 <phila> annette_g: It may be reasonable to talk about memento in this context too
Annette Greiner: It may be reasonable to talk about memento in this context too [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
14:14:20 <NewtonCalegari> s/momento/memento
14:14:42 <Caroline> phila: I think is about the ??
Phil Archer: I think is about the ?? ←
14:14:46 <ericstephan> it would seem like more of a warning condition as opposed to a fatal error.
Eric Stephan: it would seem like more of a warning condition as opposed to a fatal error. ←
14:15:02 <Caroline> annette_g: it is too specific data
Annette Greiner: is it specific to data? ←
14:15:15 <phila> phila: I think Memento only applies if you have dated data available. I think we're talking about removing data altogether and what happens to the identifier
Phil Archer: I think Memento only applies if you have dated data available. I think we're talking about removing data altogether and what happens to the identifier [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
14:15:22 <ericstephan> good point hadleybeeman
Eric Stephan: good point hadleybeeman ←
14:15:28 <annette_g> s/it is too specific data/is it specific to data?
14:15:47 <Caroline> deirdrelee, I can't understand, sorry
deirdrelee, I can't understand, sorry ←
14:15:56 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
14:16:00 <phila> phila: Persistent identifiers don't die, only what they identify
Phil Archer: Persistent identifiers don't die, only what they identify [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
14:16:02 <Caroline> maybe if deirdrelee talk not so close to the mic
maybe if deirdrelee talk not so close to the mic ←
14:16:20 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
14:16:27 <phila> ack laufer
Phil Archer: ack laufer ←
14:16:35 <Caroline> deirdrelee: archiving is out of scope?
Deirdre Lee: archiving is out of scope? ←
14:16:36 <deirdrelee> ack laufer
Deirdre Lee: ack laufer ←
14:17:12 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: is addressing how identifiers on the Web are handled after a data resource is no longer on the web in scope?
Deirdre Lee: is addressing how identifiers on the Web are handled after a data resource is no longer on the web in scope? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:17:14 <phila> q+ to offer to write a BP on the topic
Phil Archer: q+ to offer to write a BP on the topic ←
14:17:19 <ericstephan> error handling bp?
Eric Stephan: error handling bp? ←
14:17:29 <Caroline> laufer: I don't know if we should have a BP to data being archived
Carlos Laufer: I don't know if we should have a BP to data being archived ←
14:17:41 <Sumit_Purohit> q+
Sumit Purohit: q+ ←
14:17:50 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
14:17:50 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to offer to write a BP on the topic
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to offer to write a BP on the topic ←
14:17:50 <Caroline> laufer: I don't know how this would be resolved
Carlos Laufer: I don't know how this would be resolved ←
14:18:10 <Caroline> phila: we arre not talking about data archiving, but about consistence
Phil Archer: we are not talking about data archiving, but about consistence ←
14:18:28 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/arre/are
14:18:29 <hadleybeeman> I would assume that a request for archived data would return a 410... is that just me?
Hadley Beeman: I would assume that a request for archived data would return a 410... is that just me? ←
14:18:30 <deirdrelee> ack Sumit_Purohit
Deirdre Lee: ack Sumit_Purohit ←
14:19:09 <phila> phila: Yes, Sumit, that's what we should do
Phil Archer: Yes, Sumit, that's what we should do [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
14:19:13 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
14:19:14 <phila> (I think)
Phil Archer: (I think) ←
14:19:15 <ericstephan> +1 Sumit_Purohit
Eric Stephan: +1 Sumit_Purohit ←
14:19:19 <Caroline> Sumit_Purohit: for a BP, if we can explain what had happen to that data in a common sense, instead of saying that data existed it might be more useful
Sumit Purohit: for a BP, if we can explain what had happen to that data in a common sense, instead of saying that data existed it might be more useful ←
14:19:36 <Caroline> ... data has been moved or has been removed for some reason
... data has been moved or has been removed for some reason ←
14:19:38 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
14:19:45 <phila> ack annette_g
Phil Archer: ack annette_g ←
14:19:46 <ericstephan> give a chance to do real exception handling
Eric Stephan: give a chance to do real exception handling ←
14:19:50 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
14:19:57 <Caroline> annette_g: thinking about what Sumit_Purohit said
Annette Greiner: thinking about what Sumit_Purohit said ←
14:20:15 <Caroline> ... it should be understanded by a machine as well as humen
... it should be understanded by a machine as well as human ←
14:20:20 <Caroline> s/humen/human
14:20:26 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
14:20:31 <hadleybeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
14:20:34 <Caroline> ...maybe it is up to us to point somehting
...maybe it is up to us to point something ←
14:20:51 <Caroline> laufer: for me is the same comment to indicate information not only to humans
Carlos Laufer: for me is the same comment to indicate information not only to humans ←
14:20:59 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/somehting/something
14:21:05 <Zakim> +??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←
14:21:15 <makx> zakim, ??p3 is me
Makx Dekkers: zakim, ??p3 is me ←
14:21:15 <Zakim> +makx; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +makx; got it ←
14:21:15 <Caroline> ... how do people do it today? They put a message saying that page is not here anymore
... how do people do it today? They put a message saying that page is not here anymore ←
14:21:23 <Caroline> ... is there a standard for that?
... is there a standard for that? ←
14:22:02 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan
Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan ←
14:22:06 <deirdrelee> ack laufer
Deirdre Lee: ack laufer ←
14:22:09 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee
Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee ←
14:22:11 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
14:22:38 <Caroline> ericstephan: this might be an opportunity to the data vocabulary to provide an explanation
Eric Stephan: this might be an opportunity to the data vocabulary to provide an explanation ←
14:22:52 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
14:22:56 <Caroline> ... the data usage vocabulary coujld provide an exaplation for this
... the data usage vocabulary could provide an exaplation for this ←
14:23:02 <deirdrelee> Draft Proposal: Close issue 62 and 63, Action for Phil to write BP on topic of what happens to identifiers after data resource is no longer online (e.g. through archiving). WG will then decide if this should be included in BP doc, and if it is, should it be separate BP or merged with another BP
Deirdre Lee: Draft Proposal: Close ISSUE-62 and 63, Action for Phil to write BP on topic of what happens to identifiers after data resource is no longer online (e.g. through archiving). WG will then decide if this should be included in BP doc, and if it is, should it be separate BP or merged with another BP ←
14:23:08 <deirdrelee> ack h
Deirdre Lee: ack h ←
14:23:16 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/coujld/could
14:23:32 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee
Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee ←
14:23:35 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g
Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g ←
14:23:52 <Caroline> annette_g: I think this is more of a publisher side than a user side
Annette Greiner: I think this is more of a publisher side than a user side ←
14:24:00 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
14:24:02 <hadleybeeman> +1 to annette_g!!
Hadley Beeman: +1 to annette_g!! ←
14:24:03 <Caroline> ... it could be on the BP document
... it could be on the BP document ←
14:24:06 <hadleybeeman> That's what I was going to say. :)
Hadley Beeman: That's what I was going to say. :) ←
14:24:16 <laufer> I think that someone could have no more access to some data even if it is online
Carlos Laufer: I think that someone could have no more access to some data even if it is online ←
14:24:27 <phila> q+ To talk about possible new status (ADMS-like)
Phil Archer: q+ To talk about possible new status (ADMS-like) ←
14:24:36 <laufer> because, perhaps, now it is necessary to pay for it, for example
Carlos Laufer: because, perhaps, now it is necessary to pay for it, for example ←
14:24:39 <Caroline> ... we could use the code 401 for something that has been removed
... we could use the code 410 for something that has been removed ←
14:24:41 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan
Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan ←
14:24:49 <hadleybeeman> s/401/410
14:24:58 <annette_g> * 410 is "gone"
Annette Greiner: * 410 is "gone" ←
14:25:10 <Caroline> ericstephan: the way we are looking to the data usage vocabulary is that some useful information should be there
Eric Stephan: the way we are looking to the data usage vocabulary is that some useful information should be there ←
14:25:20 <Caroline> ... we can debate it this afternoon
... we can debate it this afternoon ←
14:25:44 <Caroline> ... to me giving the information about what is going on
... to me giving the information about what is going on ←
14:25:47 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
14:25:51 <hadleybeeman> zakim, close the queue
Hadley Beeman: zakim, close the queue ←
14:25:51 <Zakim> ok, hadleybeeman, the speaker queue is closed
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, hadleybeeman, the speaker queue is closed ←
14:26:00 <phila> q-
Phil Archer: q- ←
14:26:00 <Caroline> deirdrelee: we can discuss it this afternoon
Deirdre Lee: we can discuss it this afternoon ←
14:26:31 <phila> PROPOSED: Close issue 62 and 63, Action for Phil to write BP on topic of what happens to identifiers after data resource is no longer online (e.g. through archiving). WG will then decide if this should be included in BP doc, and if it is, should it be separate BP or merged with another BP
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-62 and 63, Action for Phil to write BP on topic of what happens to identifiers after data resource is no longer online (e.g. through archiving). WG will then decide if this should be included in BP doc, and if it is, should it be separate BP or merged with another BP ←
14:26:46 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
14:26:53 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
14:26:55 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
14:27:00 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
14:27:03 <Caroline> +1
+1 ←
14:27:04 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
14:27:18 <hadleybeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
14:27:20 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
14:27:35 <phila> RESOLVED: Close issue 62 and 63, Action for Phil to write BP on topic of what happens to identifiers after data resource is no longer online (e.g. through archiving). WG will then decide if this should be included in BP doc, and if it is, should it be separate BP or merged with another BP
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-62 and 63, Action for Phil to write BP on topic of what happens to identifiers after data resource is no longer online (e.g. through archiving). WG will then decide if this should be included in BP doc, and if it is, should it be separate BP or merged with another BP ←
14:27:35 <BernadetteLoscio_> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
14:27:43 <phila> CLOSE ISSUE-62
Phil Archer: CLOSE ISSUE-62 ←
14:27:43 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-62.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-62. ←
14:27:43 <trackbot_> Closed ISSUE-62.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-62. ←
14:27:49 <phila> close issue-63
Phil Archer: close ISSUE-63 ←
14:27:49 <trackbot_> Closed issue-63.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-63. ←
14:27:49 <trackbot> Closed issue-63.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-63. ←
14:27:56 <hadleybeeman> rrsagent, pointer?
Hadley Beeman: rrsagent, pointer? ←
14:27:56 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-irc#T14-27-56
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-irc#T14-27-56 ←
14:28:06 <ericstephan> set up another round again, ever forward!
Eric Stephan: set up another round again, ever forward! ←
14:28:12 <hadleybeeman> :)
Hadley Beeman: :) ←
14:28:19 <Caroline> deirdrelee: issue number 137
Deirdre Lee: issue number 137 ←
14:28:26 <phila> Topic: The Right to privacy, Issue-137
14:28:34 <phila> issue-137?
14:28:34 <trackbot> issue-137 -- Review BP Preserve person's right to privacy -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-137 -- Review BP Preserve person's right to privacy -- open ←
14:28:34 <trackbot_> issue-137 -- Review BP Preserve person's right to privacy -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-137 -- Review BP Preserve person's right to privacy -- open ←
14:28:34 <trackbot_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/137
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/137 ←
14:28:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/137
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/137 ←
14:28:44 <Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/137
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/137 ←
14:28:50 <hadleybeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
14:28:56 <hadleybeeman> zakim, open the queue
Hadley Beeman: zakim, open the queue ←
14:28:56 <Zakim> ok, hadleybeeman, the speaker queue is open
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, hadleybeeman, the speaker queue is open ←
14:28:57 <Caroline> deirdrelee: maybe changing the text
Deirdre Lee: maybe changing the text ←
14:28:58 <hadleybeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
14:29:05 <phila> ack hadleybeeman
Phil Archer: ack hadleybeeman ←
14:29:16 <deirdrelee> Action: phila to write BP on topic of what happens to identifiers after data resource is no longer online (e.g. through archiving). WG will then decide if this should be included in BP doc, and if it is, should it be separate BP or merged with another BP
ACTION: phila to write BP on topic of what happens to identifiers after data resource is no longer online (e.g. through archiving). WG will then decide if this should be included in BP doc, and if it is, should it be separate BP or merged with another BP ←
14:29:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-161 - Write bp on topic of what happens to identifiers after data resource is no longer online (e.g. through archiving). wg will then decide if this should be included in bp doc, and if it is, should it be separate bp or merged with another bp [on Phil Archer - due 2015-04-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-161 - Write bp on topic of what happens to identifiers after data resource is no longer online (e.g. through archiving). wg will then decide if this should be included in bp doc, and if it is, should it be separate bp or merged with another bp [on Phil Archer - due 2015-04-21]. ←
14:29:18 <trackbot_> Created ACTION-162 - Write bp on topic of what happens to identifiers after data resource is no longer online (e.g. through archiving). wg will then decide if this should be included in bp doc, and if it is, should it be separate bp or merged with another bp [on Phil Archer - due 2015-04-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-162 - Write bp on topic of what happens to identifiers after data resource is no longer online (e.g. through archiving). wg will then decide if this should be included in bp doc, and if it is, should it be separate bp or merged with another bp [on Phil Archer - due 2015-04-21]. ←
14:29:33 <Caroline> hadleybeeman: I have trouble with this one because is so country specific and culture specific, there is no easy way to make it global
Hadley Beeman: I have trouble with this one because is so country specific and culture specific, there is no easy way to make it global ←
14:29:54 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
14:30:00 <ericstephan> really good points hadleybeeman
Eric Stephan: really good points hadleybeeman ←
14:30:07 <Caroline> ... it is very dificult to deal with the fact the data should deal with so many jurisdiction and it is so close to legal laws
... it is very dificult to deal with the fact the data should deal with so many jurisdiction and it is so close to legal laws ←
14:30:11 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
14:30:12 <Caroline> +1 to hadleybeeman
+1 to hadleybeeman ←
14:30:12 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
14:30:15 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to hadleybeeman
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to hadleybeeman ←
14:30:30 <hadleybeeman> The topic is too close to us giving legal advice, which isn't in scope for us.
Hadley Beeman: The topic is too close to us giving legal advice, which isn't in scope for us. ←
14:30:35 <yaso> +1 to annette_g
Yaso Córdova: +1 to annette_g ←
14:30:53 <deirdrelee> BP: http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy
Scribe problem: the name 'BP' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown BP: http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:31:08 <ericstephan> +1 that's the approach companies, orgs use (security plans)
Eric Stephan: +1 that's the approach companies, orgs use (security plans) ←
14:31:10 <Caroline> annette_g: the BP 19
Annette Greiner: the BP 19 ←
14:31:11 <hadleybeeman> q+ to comment that I don't think this is technical
Hadley Beeman: q+ to comment that I don't think this is technical ←
14:31:11 <ericstephan> q-
Eric Stephan: q- ←
14:31:24 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g
Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g ←
14:31:29 <Caroline> ... it helps people who are more familiarized with the data other than us
... it helps people who are more familiarized with the data other than us ←
14:31:30 <phila> ack h
Phil Archer: ack h ←
14:31:30 <Zakim> hadleybeeman, you wanted to comment that I don't think this is technical
Zakim IRC Bot: hadleybeeman, you wanted to comment that I don't think this is technical ←
14:31:52 <ericstephan> have we got any advice from the privacy interest group?
Eric Stephan: have we got any advice from the privacy interest group? ←
14:31:57 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
14:32:04 <Caroline> hadleybeeman: I am not sure is technical enough to be in the scope here
Hadley Beeman: I am not sure is technical enough to be in the scope here ←
14:32:07 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g
Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g ←
14:32:18 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
14:32:28 <Caroline> annette_g: It might help people how to deal with this
Annette Greiner: It might help people how to deal with this ←
14:32:38 <Caroline> ... if we could give them some guidance
... if we could give them some guidance ←
14:32:39 <Caroline> q+
q+ ←
14:32:44 <hadleybeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
14:32:53 <phila> q+ to support Hadley's point
Phil Archer: q+ to support Hadley's point ←
14:33:10 <Caroline> ... focusing on how they might do a security plan
... focusing on how they might do a security plan ←
14:33:21 <Caroline> right now the title is very general
right now the title is very general ←
14:33:30 <hadleybeeman> q- later
Hadley Beeman: q- later ←
14:33:36 <Caroline> ... it could explain how a security plan would be
... it could explain how a security plan would be ←
14:33:48 <Caroline> ericstephan: in the commercial industry there are so many approaches
Eric Stephan: in the commercial industry there are so many approaches ←
14:34:05 <Caroline> ... something that is fine with one kind is not with another
... something that is fine with one kind is not with another ←
14:34:15 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan
Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan ←
14:34:17 <deirdrelee> ack Caroline
Deirdre Lee: ack Caroline ←
14:35:11 <ericstephan> +1 to Caroline as a footnote bp
Eric Stephan: +1 to Caroline as a footnote bp ←
14:35:24 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
14:35:24 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to support Hadley's point
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to support Hadley's point ←
14:35:29 <Caroline> Caroline: proposal to put this as a note (footnote)
Caroline Burle: proposal to put this as a note (footnote) ←
14:35:47 <phila> -> http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/bp/cas/ Share-PSI
Phil Archer: -> http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/bp/cas/ Share-PSI ←
14:35:51 <hadleybeeman> phila: When were in TPAC, Hadley made similar comments about some of the proposed best practices then. Though it has caused me pain since then, she's right.
Phil Archer: When were in TPAC, Hadley made similar comments about some of the proposed best practices then. Though it has caused me pain since then, she's right. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
14:35:59 <ericstephan> +1 phila->hadleybeeman (pointer reference)
Eric Stephan: +1 phila->hadleybeeman (pointer reference) ←
14:36:19 <hadleybeeman> ... That is a link to a best practice that could have been in our document except that we agreed we were only doing technical matters, not policy matters.
Hadley Beeman: ... That is a link to a best practice that could have been in our document except that we agreed we were only doing technical matters, not policy matters. ←
14:36:44 <makx> +1 to phil
Makx Dekkers: +1 to phil ←
14:36:44 <hadleybeeman> ...This BP says "security plan". We ruled lots of things out of scope because they were too policy oriented, and to be consistent we should remove this one too.
Hadley Beeman: ...This BP says "security plan". We ruled lots of things out of scope because they were too policy oriented, and to be consistent we should remove this one too. ←
14:36:48 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
14:37:09 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
14:37:22 <deirdrelee> ack hadleybeeman
Deirdre Lee: ack hadleybeeman ←
14:37:31 <Caroline> hadleybeeman: I agree with phila and Caroline
Hadley Beeman: I agree with phila and Caroline ←
14:37:39 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan
Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan ←
14:37:51 <Caroline> ericstephan: we have talked about that the BP needs to be dataset center
Eric Stephan: we have talked about that the BP needs to be dataset centered ←
14:37:59 <hadleybeeman> s/center/centered
14:38:07 <Caroline> ... this would be an interesting note, but it is not dataset centered
... this would be an interesting note, but it is not dataset centered ←
14:38:15 <Caroline> ... I would take it out
... I would take it out ←
14:38:18 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
14:38:27 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g
Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g ←
14:38:28 <phila> Draft proposal - that http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy be deleted, however, reference to the importance of preserviving privacy should be included in the introductory material in the context of the overall policy in which data is made available.
Phil Archer: Draft proposal - that http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy be deleted, however, reference to the importance of preserviving privacy should be included in the introductory material in the context of the overall policy in which data is made available. ←
14:38:34 <Caroline> annette_g: I respectly desagree.
Annette Greiner: I respectly desagree. ←
14:39:00 <Caroline> ... I think it is dataset centered. I think the data publishers in general have to deal with a lot
... I think it is dataset centered. I think the data publishers in general have to deal with a lot ←
14:39:09 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
14:39:10 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
14:39:14 <hadleybeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
14:39:15 <phila> ack deirdrelee
Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee ←
14:39:16 <Caroline> ... I think it is more an issue for publishing data than publishing other formats on the web
... I think it is more an issue for publishing data than publishing other formats on the web ←
14:39:22 <Caroline> deirdrelee: I tend to agree with annette_g
Deirdre Lee: I tend to agree with annette_g ←
14:39:37 <Caroline> ... it might not be as tecnhical centered as others, but it has to be considered
... it might not be as tecnhical centered as others, but it has to be considered ←
14:39:48 <Caroline> ... it doesn't have to be a BP
... it doesn't have to be a BP ←
14:39:52 <phila> ack laufer
Phil Archer: ack laufer ←
14:39:56 <Caroline> ... but it should be on the BP document
... but it should be on the BP document ←
14:39:57 <ericstephan> I understand your point annette_g, but I still don't want it to be a BP
Eric Stephan: I understand your point annette_g, but I still don't want it to be a BP ←
14:40:15 <Caroline> laufer: I thinking that privacy is one of the things that can control the access to data
Carlos Laufer: I thinking that privacy is one of the things that can control the access to data ←
14:40:27 <Caroline> ... we have other things that can control access to data
... we have other things that can control access to data ←
14:40:36 <Caroline> ... maybe we are talking about control of access
... maybe we are talking about control of access ←
14:40:46 <Caroline> q+
q+ ←
14:40:53 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
14:41:15 <Caroline> ... I don't konw if we are talking about access of data and privacy is one of them
... I don't konw if we are talking about access of data and privacy is one of them ←
14:41:18 <phila> ack h
Phil Archer: ack h ←
14:41:21 <hadleybeeman> "Intended Outcome: Data that can identify an individual person must not be published without their consent."
Hadley Beeman: "Intended Outcome: Data that can identify an individual person must not be published without their consent." ←
14:41:28 <deirdrelee> q+ to talk about data access and classification
Deirdre Lee: q+ to talk about data access and classification ←
14:41:35 <Caroline> +1 to hadleybeeman
+1 to hadleybeeman ←
14:42:18 <Caroline> hadleybeeman: I don't see a way to give any kind of guidance without getting into a legal trouble
Hadley Beeman: I don't see a way to give any kind of guidance without getting into a legal trouble ←
14:42:28 <annette_g> +1 to hadley
Annette Greiner: +1 to hadley ←
14:42:42 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
14:42:55 <phila> ack Caroline
Phil Archer: ack Caroline ←
14:43:13 <hadleybeeman> caroline: What are we proposing?
Caroline Burle: What are we proposing? [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
14:43:33 <deirdrelee> Draft proposal - that http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy be deleted, however, reference to the importance of preserviving privacy should be included in the introductory material in the context of the overall policy in which data is made available.
Deirdre Lee: Draft proposal - that http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy be deleted, however, reference to the importance of preserviving privacy should be included in the introductory material in the context of the overall policy in which data is made available. ←
14:43:36 <hadleybeeman> ...I think "Intended Outcome: Data that can identify an individual person must not be published without their consent." is very clear
Hadley Beeman: ...I think "Intended Outcome: Data that can identify an individual person must not be published without their consent." is very clear ←
14:43:56 <Caroline> Caroline: what is hadleybeeman proposal?
Caroline Burle: what is hadleybeeman proposal? ←
14:43:58 <hadleybeeman> ...The question should be: should we keep it or not?
Hadley Beeman: ...The question should be: should we keep it or not? ←
14:44:11 <Caroline> ... should we keep the section 8.5 on the BP document?
... should we keep the section 8.5 on the BP document? ←
14:44:20 <makx> +000000000000000000000.
Makx Dekkers: +000000000000000000000. ←
14:44:33 <annette_g> -1
Annette Greiner: -1 ←
14:45:01 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
14:45:04 <phila> zakim, close queue
Phil Archer: zakim, close queue ←
14:45:04 <Zakim> ok, phila, the speaker queue is closed
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, phila, the speaker queue is closed ←
14:45:05 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
14:45:16 <phila> zakim, open queue
Phil Archer: zakim, open queue ←
14:45:16 <Zakim> ok, phila, the speaker queue is open
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, phila, the speaker queue is open ←
14:45:20 <phila> q+ BernadetteLoscio_
Phil Archer: q+ BernadetteLoscio_ ←
14:45:24 <phila> zakim, close queue
Phil Archer: zakim, close queue ←
14:45:24 <Zakim> ok, phila, the speaker queue is closed
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, phila, the speaker queue is closed ←
14:45:32 <Caroline> phila: we would have to remove 2 BP (19 and 20)
Phil Archer: we would have to remove 2 BP (19 and 20) ←
14:45:43 <Caroline> Zakim, open the speaker queue
Zakim, open the speaker queue ←
14:45:43 <Zakim> I don't understand 'open the speaker queue', Caroline
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'open the speaker queue', Caroline ←
14:46:16 <Caroline> ericstephan: I am wondering if we deduce security, somethings might be available or not
Eric Stephan: I am wondering if we deduce security, somethings might be available or not ←
14:46:39 <Caroline> ... this data isn't availabe. Maybe we can provide an explanation or not
... this data isn't availabe. Maybe we can provide an explanation or not ←
14:46:51 <deirdrelee> q-
Deirdre Lee: q- ←
14:46:55 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan
Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan ←
14:47:09 <phila> ack annette_g
Phil Archer: ack annette_g ←
14:47:09 <Caroline> ... instead of security plan, it can envolve all about puting the data on the web
... instead of security plan, it can envolve all about puting the data on the web ←
14:47:22 <Caroline> annette_g: I agree that is dangerous to propose specif rules
Annette Greiner: I agree that is dangerous to propose specif rules ←
14:47:46 <Caroline> ... I think it is important to mention this issue
... I think it is important to mention this issue ←
14:47:59 <Caroline> ... I think it might help the web to be a better place to publish
... I think it might help the web to be a better place to publish ←
14:48:11 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio_
Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio_ ←
14:48:14 <annette_g> annette_g:
Annette Greiner: [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ] ←
14:48:24 <ericstephan> +1 BernadetteLoscio_
Eric Stephan: +1 BernadetteLoscio_ ←
14:48:31 <annette_g> annette_g: that's why I propose we suggest publishers make a plan
Annette Greiner: that's why I propose we suggest publishers make a plan [ Scribe Assist by Annette Greiner ] ←
14:48:34 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio_: I think it we are going to remove the BP 19, we would have to review the entire section
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think it we are going to remove the BP 19, we would have to review the entire section ←
14:48:59 <ericstephan> By +1 I mean revisit, to see what to do
Eric Stephan: By +1 I mean revisit, to see what to do ←
14:49:00 <Caroline> ... I am not against to remove the BP 19, but then we would have to review the BP 20 and discuss what to do with it
... I am not against to remove the BP 19, but then we would have to review the BP 20 and discuss what to do with it ←
14:49:07 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: that http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy be deleted, however, reference to the importance of preserviving privacy should be included in the introductory material in the context of the overall policy in which data is made available.
PROPOSED: that http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy be deleted, however, reference to the importance of preserviving privacy should be included in the introductory material in the context of the overall policy in which data is made available. ←
14:49:19 <hadleybeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
14:49:30 <annette_g> -10
Annette Greiner: -10 ←
14:49:42 <deirdrelee> -1
Deirdre Lee: -1 ←
14:49:52 <laufer> the proposal is to revise...
Carlos Laufer: the proposal is to revise... ←
14:49:53 <makx> +1 to deleting and mention in introduction
Makx Dekkers: +1 to deleting and mention in introduction ←
14:49:54 <phila> I don't want to delete the BP about unavailability reference
Phil Archer: I don't want to delete the BP about unavailability reference ←
14:49:56 <yaso> -1
Yaso Córdova: -1 ←
14:49:57 <Caroline> -1
-1 ←
14:50:10 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
14:50:38 <ericstephan> annette_g used the nuclear option
Eric Stephan: annette_g used the nuclear option ←
14:51:04 <Caroline> I think before removing it is important to review it
I think before removing it is important to review it ←
14:51:13 <Caroline> the entire section
the entire section ←
14:51:26 <yaso> q+
Yaso Córdova: q+ ←
14:51:34 <deirdrelee> zakim, open queue
Deirdre Lee: zakim, open queue ←
14:51:34 <Zakim> ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is open
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is open ←
14:51:51 <Caroline> yaso: I think we should take a look more careful of what means a security plan
Yaso Córdova: I think we should take a look more careful of what means a security plan ←
14:52:10 <Caroline> ... maybe we can recommend more tecnichal details to recommend on this issue
... maybe we can recommend more technical details to recommend on this issue ←
14:52:32 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/tecnichal/technical
14:52:59 <Caroline> ... we could split
... we could split ←
14:53:17 <Caroline> ... there are a lot of W3C recommendations about privacy
... there are a lot of W3C recommendations about privacy ←
14:53:20 <hadleybeeman> q+ to respond to Yaso
Hadley Beeman: q+ to respond to Yaso ←
14:53:26 <Caroline> ... we could remove the word security plan
... we could remove the word security plan ←
14:53:29 <deirdrelee> ddraft PROPOSal: that http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy should remain, but rephrased so that it does not give any specific recommendations of HOW it should be achieved, e.g. the consent sentence Hadley referenced
Deirdre Lee: ddraft PROPOSal: that http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy should remain, but rephrased so that it does not give any specific recommendations of HOW it should be achieved, e.g. the consent sentence Hadley referenced ←
14:53:37 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
14:53:40 <deirdrelee> ack hadleybeeman
Deirdre Lee: ack hadleybeeman ←
14:53:40 <Zakim> hadleybeeman, you wanted to respond to Yaso
Zakim IRC Bot: hadleybeeman, you wanted to respond to Yaso ←
14:53:42 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
14:54:02 <Caroline> hadleybeeman: I still think we have to be very careful on how we describe the use cases
Hadley Beeman: I still think we have to be very careful on how we describe the use cases ←
14:54:12 <ericstephan> draft proposal: that http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy be deleted, and be replaced by BP for sharing datasets and metadata.
Eric Stephan: draft proposal: that http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy be deleted, and be replaced by BP for sharing datasets and metadata. ←
14:54:21 <Caroline> ... I am not sure we are talking about data individuals
... I am not sure we are talking about data individuals ←
14:54:24 <phila> ack deirdrelee
Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee ←
14:55:02 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
14:55:06 <hadleybeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
14:55:24 <laufer> is about of what different types of consumers could see...
Carlos Laufer: is about of what different types of consumers could see... ←
14:55:25 <Caroline> deirdrelee: I agree with hadleybeeman
Deirdre Lee: I agree with hadleybeeman ←
14:55:35 <phila> q+ to ask what the intended outcome will be
Phil Archer: q+ to ask what the intended outcome will be ←
14:55:43 <phila> ack ericstephan
Phil Archer: ack ericstephan ←
14:55:44 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan
Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan ←
14:55:46 <hadleybeeman> q+ to respond to deirdrelee's point about HOW. I think my worries are more about the "when" and the "why".
Hadley Beeman: q+ to respond to deirdrelee's point about HOW. I think my worries are more about the "when" and the "why". ←
14:56:18 <Caroline> ericstephan: deirdrelee was saying that this is about the publishers and they would have to figure out about the laws and what is privacy or not
Eric Stephan: deirdrelee was saying that this is about the publishers and they would have to figure out about the laws and what is privacy or not ←
14:56:34 <Caroline> ... but we should share what should be published or note
... but we should share what should be published or not ←
14:56:39 <Caroline> s/note/not
14:56:42 <laufer> is about the publishers and the consumers
Carlos Laufer: is about the publishers and the consumers ←
14:56:52 <Caroline> ... that might be about data and metadata
... that might be about data and metadata ←
14:57:13 <phila> ack h
Phil Archer: ack h ←
14:57:13 <Zakim> hadleybeeman, you wanted to respond to deirdrelee's point about HOW. I think my worries are more about the "when" and the "why".
Zakim IRC Bot: hadleybeeman, you wanted to respond to deirdrelee's point about HOW. I think my worries are more about the "when" and the "why". ←
14:57:20 <ericstephan> okay sorry if I was off topic deirdrelee
Eric Stephan: okay sorry if I was off topic deirdrelee ←
14:57:21 <deirdrelee> zakim, close queue
Deirdre Lee: zakim, close queue ←
14:57:21 <Zakim> ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is closed
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is closed ←
14:57:23 <Caroline> deirdrelee, I could'nt understand you, sorry
deirdrelee, I could'nt understand you, sorry ←
14:57:36 <Caroline> hadleybeeman: I have a problem about talking about how
Hadley Beeman: I have a problem about talking about how ←
14:57:54 <Caroline> ... saying to protect personal data of another people causes legal issues
... saying to protect personal data of another people causes legal issues ←
14:58:05 <Caroline> ... that feels to me that is out of scope
... that feels to me that is out of scope ←
14:58:13 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
14:58:13 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to ask what the intended outcome will be
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to ask what the intended outcome will be ←
14:58:21 <ericstephan> hadleybeeman +1 yeah for practical advice like https
Eric Stephan: hadleybeeman +1 yeah for practical advice like https ←
14:58:22 <phila> Data that can identify an individual person must not be published without their consent.
Phil Archer: Data that can identify an individual person must not be published without their consent. ←
14:58:42 <yaso> So we should make a note and clearly point to somewhere, so that people can find advice about this
Yaso Córdova: So we should make a note and clearly point to somewhere, so that people can find advice about this ←
14:58:51 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
14:58:59 <Caroline> phila: if we change it, talking about only the tecnhical aspects, what would be the intended BP?
Phil Archer: if we change it, talking about only the tecnhical aspects, what would be the intended BP? ←
14:59:01 <laufer> this is a world law, phil?
Carlos Laufer: this is a world law, phil? ←
14:59:25 <Caroline> annette_g: I think the intended outcome is that data would be published with some thoughs about these issues
Annette Greiner: I think the intended outcome is that data would be published with some thoughs about these issues ←
14:59:34 <Caroline> ... that itself is an important outcome
... that itself is an important outcome ←
15:00:02 <Caroline> deirdrelee: if we agree to remove the BP and put a note
Deirdre Lee: if we agree to remove the BP and put a note ←
15:00:16 <Caroline> ... or we could revise the BP
... or we could revise the BP ←
15:00:28 <ericstephan> could we do both?
Eric Stephan: could we do both? ←
15:00:38 <Caroline> +1 to ericstephan suggestion
+1 to ericstephan suggestion ←
15:00:43 <phila> deirdrelee: We have replacing the BP with a footnote (on Hadley) and we have Deirdre and Annette on rewording the BP. Maybe we take those as actions and then decide
Deirdre Lee: We have replacing the BP with a footnote (on Hadley) and we have Deirdre and Annette on rewording the BP. Maybe we take those as actions and then decide [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
15:00:43 <yaso> I do not agree that this turns in to a footnote, at least I do not agree now...
Yaso Córdova: I do not agree that this turns in to a footnote, at least I do not agree now... ←
15:00:47 <ericstephan> add a note and make a new and improved BP
Eric Stephan: add a note and make a new and improved BP ←
15:00:58 <laufer> if the bp depends on local laws a bp in one place could be a bad practice in another place
Carlos Laufer: if the bp depends on local laws a bp in one place could be a bad practice in another place ←
15:01:00 <annette_g> I'm happy to work on the BP
Annette Greiner: I'm happy to work on the BP ←
15:01:00 <ericstephan> okay
Eric Stephan: okay ←
15:01:42 <hadleybeeman> rrsagent, pointer?
Hadley Beeman: rrsagent, pointer? ←
15:01:42 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-irc#T15-01-42
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-irc#T15-01-42 ←
15:01:51 <Caroline> action to ericstephan and hadleybeeman to review the BP thinking about a footnote
action to ericstephan and hadleybeeman to review the BP thinking about a footnote ←
15:01:51 <trackbot_> Error finding 'to'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'to'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>. ←
15:01:51 <trackbot> Error finding 'to'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'to'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>. ←
15:02:00 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Action for Hadley & Eric to propose alterantive text if BP is removed. Action for Annetee & Dee to revise BP text if BP remains. Leave Makx's issue open
Deirdre Lee: PROPOSED: Action for Hadley & Eric to propose alterantive text if BP is removed. Action for Annetee & Dee to revise BP text if BP remains. Leave Makx's issue open ←
15:02:12 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
15:02:12 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
15:02:14 <hadleybeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
15:02:14 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
15:02:15 <flavio_> +1
Flavio Yanai: +1 ←
15:02:15 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
15:02:16 <Caroline> +1
+1 ←
15:02:16 <GiselePappa> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
15:02:17 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
15:02:21 <makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
15:02:21 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
15:02:22 <BernadetteLoscio_> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
15:02:22 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
15:02:23 <Sumit_Purohit> +1
Sumit Purohit: +1 ←
15:02:38 <phila> RESOLVED: Action for Hadley & Eric to propose alterantive text if BP is removed. Action for Annetee & Dee to revise BP text if BP remains. Leave Makx's issue open
RESOLVED: Action for Hadley & Eric to propose alterantive text if BP is removed. Action for Annetee & Dee to revise BP text if BP remains. Leave Makx's issue open ←
15:02:45 <ericstephan> we are an agreeable bunch today - even dancing around security issues.
Eric Stephan: we are an agreeable bunch today - even dancing around security issues. ←
15:03:00 <hadleybeeman> :)
Hadley Beeman: :) ←
15:03:30 <phila> action: hadley to work with Phil to propose text to replace http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy
ACTION: hadley to work with Phil to propose text to replace http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy ←
15:03:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-163 - Work with phil to propose text to replace http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#preserveprivacy [on Hadley Beeman - due 2015-04-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-163 - Work with phil to propose text to replace http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#preserveprivacy [on Hadley Beeman - due 2015-04-21]. ←
15:03:30 <trackbot_> Created ACTION-164 - Work with phil to propose text to replace http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#preserveprivacy [on Hadley Beeman - due 2015-04-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-164 - Work with phil to propose text to replace http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#preserveprivacy [on Hadley Beeman - due 2015-04-21]. ←
15:03:38 <ericstephan> you were breaking up deirdrelee
Eric Stephan: you were breaking up deirdrelee ←
15:03:54 <phila> action: annette to work with Dee to propose alternative text for http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy
ACTION: annette to work with Dee to propose alternative text for http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy ←
15:03:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-166 - Work with dee to propose alternative text for http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#preserveprivacy [on Annette Greiner - due 2015-04-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-166 - Work with dee to propose alternative text for http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#preserveprivacy [on Annette Greiner - due 2015-04-21]. ←
15:03:54 <trackbot_> Created ACTION-165 - Work with dee to propose alternative text for http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#preserveprivacy [on Annette Greiner - due 2015-04-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-165 - Work with dee to propose alternative text for http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#preserveprivacy [on Annette Greiner - due 2015-04-21]. ←
15:03:57 <Caroline> deirdrelee: let's talk about the issues 53, 54 and 93
Deirdre Lee: let's talk about the issues 53, 54 and 93 ←
15:03:57 <ericstephan> we are moving ahead on BP issues, and timeline in the remaining time?
Eric Stephan: we are moving ahead on BP issues, and timeline in the remaining time? ←
15:04:03 <deirdrelee> issue-53
15:04:03 <trackbot> issue-53 -- Whether sla is/can be thought of as part of the licence or whether it needs to be pulled out spearately? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-53 -- Whether sla is/can be thought of as part of the licence or whether it needs to be pulled out spearately? -- open ←
15:04:03 <trackbot_> issue-53 -- Whether sla is/can be thought of as part of the licence or whether it needs to be pulled out spearately? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-53 -- Whether sla is/can be thought of as part of the licence or whether it needs to be pulled out spearately? -- open ←
15:04:03 <trackbot_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/53
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/53 ←
15:04:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/53
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/53 ←
15:04:07 <deirdrelee> issue-54
15:04:07 <trackbot_> issue-54 -- The term "sla" is vague, undefined, and may not actually represent an agreement between the publisher and reuser -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-54 -- The term "sla" is vague, undefined, and may not actually represent an agreement between the publisher and reuser -- open ←
15:04:07 <trackbot> issue-54 -- The term "sla" is vague, undefined, and may not actually represent an agreement between the publisher and reuser -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-54 -- The term "sla" is vague, undefined, and may not actually represent an agreement between the publisher and reuser -- open ←
15:04:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/54
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/54 ←
15:04:07 <trackbot_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/54
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/54 ←
15:04:08 <phila> Topic: SLAs
15:04:15 <deirdrelee> issue-93
15:04:15 <trackbot> issue-93 -- Free Open Data SLAs for Open Data publishing -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-93 -- Free Open Data SLAs for Open Data publishing -- open ←
15:04:15 <trackbot_> issue-93 -- Free Open Data SLAs for Open Data publishing -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-93 -- Free Open Data SLAs for Open Data publishing -- open ←
15:04:15 <trackbot_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/93
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15:04:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/93
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/93 ←
15:05:22 <phila> deirdrelee: SLAs not currently included in the BPs
Deirdre Lee: SLAs not currently included in the BPs [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
15:05:44 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: SLAs are not in scope
PROPOSED: SLAs are not in scope ←
15:05:58 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
15:06:01 <yaso> Agree. +1
Yaso Córdova: Agree. +1 ←
15:06:08 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
15:06:11 <NewtonCalegari> +1
Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown NewtonCalegari: +1 ←
15:06:11 <Caroline> +1
+1 ←
15:06:16 <BernadetteLoscio_> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
15:06:18 <phila> -1, see http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#R-SLAAvailable
Phil Archer: -1, see http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#R-SLAAvailable ←
15:06:24 <makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
15:06:41 <flavio_> +1
Flavio Yanai: +1 ←
15:06:45 <GiselePappa> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
15:06:52 <laufer> but to give metadata for sla is not in the scope?
Carlos Laufer: but to give metadata for sla is not in the scope? ←
15:07:02 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio_: we have other requirements that are not covered. This is not the onyl one
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we have other requirements that are not covered. This is not the only one ←
15:07:04 <annette_g> -1
Annette Greiner: -1 ←
15:07:08 <Caroline> s/onyl/only
15:07:08 <laufer> -1
Carlos Laufer: -1 ←
15:07:08 <yaso> Not specific to SLA, I think that is covered, Laufer
Yaso Córdova: Not specific to SLA, I think that is covered, Laufer ←
15:07:20 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
15:07:20 <riccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
15:07:29 <phila> zakim, open queue
Phil Archer: zakim, open queue ←
15:07:29 <Zakim> ok, phila, the speaker queue is open
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, phila, the speaker queue is open ←
15:07:34 <phila> q+ riccardoAlbertoni
Phil Archer: q+ riccardoAlbertoni ←
15:08:05 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
15:08:09 <Caroline> deirdrelee: sla is out of scope even though there is a requirement?
Deirdre Lee: sla is out of scope even though there is a requirement? ←
15:08:13 <annette_g> can't understand
Annette Greiner: can't understand ←
15:08:16 <BernadetteLoscio_> we cant understand :(
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we cant understand :( ←
15:08:17 <deirdrelee> ack riccardoAlbertoni
Deirdre Lee: ack riccardoAlbertoni ←
15:08:24 <Caroline> riccardoAlbertoni: I cannot understand you, sorry
Riccardo Albertoni: I cannot understand you, sorry ←
15:08:27 <ericstephan> muffled sounding unfortunately
Eric Stephan: muffled sounding unfortunately ←
15:08:46 <ericstephan> glossary suggested?
Eric Stephan: glossary suggested? ←
15:08:50 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
15:08:54 <Caroline> what is the suggestion?
what is the suggestion? ←
15:09:03 <laufer> I think that license and sla has some common things...
Carlos Laufer: I think that license and sla has some common things... ←
15:09:07 <riccardoAlbertoni> I am proposing to have the definition in the glossary for sla
Riccardo Albertoni: I am proposing to have the definition in the glossary for sla ←
15:09:08 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g
Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g ←
15:09:14 <Caroline> annette_g: I agree that the term sla is vague an not helpful
Annette Greiner: I agree that the term sla is vague an not helpful ←
15:09:20 <Zakim> -makx
Zakim IRC Bot: -makx ←
15:09:26 <Caroline> ... but I think we need to address the issue of availability
... but I think we need to address the issue of availability ←
15:09:27 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
15:09:36 <riccardoAlbertoni> becouse It is not clear to me the difference between licence and SLA
Riccardo Albertoni: becouse It is not clear to me the difference between licence and SLA ←
15:09:41 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio_: availability is data quality
Bernadette Farias Loscio: availability is data quality ←
15:09:48 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman ←
15:09:51 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio_
Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio_ ←
15:10:03 <Caroline> ... availability is a quality criteria
... availability is a quality criteria ←
15:10:13 <Caroline> annette_g: why do you think is data quality?
Annette Greiner: why do you think is data quality? ←
15:10:16 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
15:10:18 <phila> I think I agree with Berna
Phil Archer: I think I agree with Berna ←
15:10:24 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio_: availability is another criteria
Bernadette Farias Loscio: availability is another criteria ←
15:10:27 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
15:10:45 <Caroline> ... in my opinio availability is a dataset and a data quality information
... in my opinio availability is a dataset and a data quality information ←
15:11:00 <Caroline> annette_g: I think is a different thing
Annette Greiner: I think is a different thing ←
15:11:06 <phila> +1 to BernadetteLoscio
Phil Archer: +1 to BernadetteLoscio ←
15:11:08 <phila> q-
Phil Archer: q- ←
15:11:13 <yaso> +1 to berna
Yaso Córdova: +1 to berna ←
15:11:25 <Caroline> laufer: I think the sla is the way the consumer could evaluate it
Carlos Laufer: I think the sla is the way the consumer could evaluate it ←
15:11:31 <Caroline> ... the consumer need a license
... the consumer need a license ←
15:11:48 <phila> CHAIR INTERRUPT - BEHAVE!
Phil Archer: CHAIR INTERRUPT - BEHAVE! ←
15:11:56 <phila> ack ericstephan
Phil Archer: ack ericstephan ←
15:12:06 <Caroline> ... to decide about to use it or not.
... to decide about to use it or not. ←
15:12:27 <phila> +1 to Eric
Phil Archer: +1 to Eric ←
15:12:27 <Caroline> ericstephan: I need someway to describe the availability of the data
Eric Stephan: I need someway to describe the availability of the data ←
15:12:37 <Caroline> ... I think we can discuss wich ways we can do that
... I think we can discuss wich ways we can do that ←
15:12:43 <phila> q+ to say that SLAs are an aspect of DQ
Phil Archer: q+ to say that SLAs are an aspect of DQ ←
15:12:43 <Caroline> ... we must have some way of convey that
... we must have some way of convey that ←
15:12:53 <phila> ack deirdrelee
Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee ←
15:13:04 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a] ←
15:13:09 <Caroline> deirdrelee: even though there is a requirement it is not currently included on the BP
Deirdre Lee: even though there is a requirement it is not currently included on the BP ←
15:13:16 <makx> zakim, ipcaller.a is me
Makx Dekkers: zakim, ipcaller.a is me ←
15:13:16 <Zakim> +makx; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +makx; got it ←
15:13:27 <Caroline> ... if it is important to be included, where it should be on the BP document?
... if it is important to be included, where it should be on the BP document? ←
15:13:43 <phila> Draft proposal - The the subject of Service Level Agreement be included in the Data Quality work as one way to convey info about accessibility
Phil Archer: Draft proposal - The the subject of Service Level Agreement be included in the Data Quality work as one way to convey info about accessibility ←
15:13:44 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
15:13:45 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
15:13:45 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to say that SLAs are an aspect of DQ
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to say that SLAs are an aspect of DQ ←
15:13:51 <Caroline> ... should we include in the Glossary a definition
... should we include in the Glossary a definition ←
15:14:07 <Caroline> phila: I think we have several agreements. I agree with BernadetteLoscio_ and ericstephan
Phil Archer: I think we have several agreements. I agree with BernadetteLoscio_ and ericstephan ←
15:14:26 <Caroline> ... keeping the discussion we had yesterdary on data quality
... keeping the discussion we had yesterdary on data quality ←
15:14:45 <ericstephan> phila sla as an alternative approach and part of data quality +1
Eric Stephan: phila sla as an alternative approach and part of data quality +1 ←
15:15:20 <phila> phila: I am saying that SLAs can be seen as one way to express data quality wrt accessibility and availability. So I suggest the issue is taken up by the Data Quality (vocab) work
Phil Archer: I am saying that SLAs can be seen as one way to express data quality wrt accessibility and availability. So I suggest the issue is taken up by the Data Quality (vocab) work [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
15:15:32 <ericstephan> +1 phila
Eric Stephan: +1 phila ←
15:15:55 <Caroline> +1 to phila suggestion
+1 to phila suggestion ←
15:15:57 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
15:16:10 <yaso> +1 to phila
Yaso Córdova: +1 to phila ←
15:16:20 <phila> PROPOSAL: Close issue-53 - SLA should nto be referred to in the BP doc as it is distinct from the notion of licence
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-53 - SLA should nto be referred to in the BP doc as it is distinct from the notion of licence ←
15:16:26 <phila> ack annette_g
Phil Archer: ack annette_g ←
15:17:00 <Caroline> annette_g: as long as we say we are including a reference. The BP will include what would be in the data quality vocabulary
Annette Greiner: as long as we say we are including a reference. The BP will include what would be in the data quality vocabulary ←
15:17:01 <phila> annette_g: I can get behind this if the BPs say that we'll include what's in the DQV
Annette Greiner: I can get behind this if the BPs say that we'll include what's in the DQV [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
15:17:11 <Caroline> ... we should make it clear what the availability is
... we should make it clear what the availability is ←
15:17:16 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
15:17:23 <Caroline> laufer: we will have a vocabulary to talk about this, but not a BP
Carlos Laufer: we will have a vocabulary to talk about this, but not a BP ←
15:17:36 <Caroline> annette_g: I suggest we write a BP that refers to the vocabulary
Annette Greiner: I suggest we write a BP that refers to the vocabulary ←
15:17:45 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio_
Phil Archer: ack BernadetteLoscio_ ←
15:18:03 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio_: this will appears as one of the dimensions to describe data quality
Bernadette Farias Loscio: this will appears as one of the dimensions to describe data quality ←
15:18:26 <Caroline> annette_g: I would suggest that we have a BP taht tell us what the availbility is
Annette Greiner: I would suggest that we have a BP taht tell us what the availbility is ←
15:18:38 <phila> I think http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#ProvideDataQuality addresses Annette's point (modulo any updates)
Phil Archer: I think http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#ProvideDataQuality addresses Annette's point (modulo any updates) ←
15:18:49 <ericstephan> suggested alternative draft proposal: Close issue-53 - SLA should nto be referred to in the BP doc. SLA can be a dimension of data quality, data availability may be described in other ways in the DQ vocab
Eric Stephan: suggested alternative draft proposal: Close ISSUE-53 - SLA should nto be referred to in the BP doc. SLA can be a dimension of data quality, data availability may be described in other ways in the DQ vocab ←
15:18:50 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio_: if we have a vocabulary that describes the availability, then we jave it
Bernadette Farias Loscio: if we have a vocabulary that describes the availability, then we have it ←
15:18:55 <Caroline> s/jave/have
15:19:11 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
15:19:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
15:19:14 <Caroline> laufer: we will have a BP taht someone has to give metadata about quality
Carlos Laufer: we will have a BP taht someone has to give metadata about quality ←
15:19:20 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
15:19:26 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio_: we already have a BP taht information about data quality should be available
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we already have a BP taht information about data quality should be available ←
15:19:28 <Caroline> +1 to BernadetteLoscio_
+1 to BernadetteLoscio_ ←
15:19:37 <phila> ack ericstephan
Phil Archer: ack ericstephan ←
15:19:40 <yaso> q+
Yaso Córdova: q+ ←
15:19:44 <annette_g> +1 to BernadetteLoscio_
Annette Greiner: +1 to BernadetteLoscio_ ←
15:19:52 <riccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
15:20:24 <yaso> ack me o/
Yaso Córdova: ack me o/ ←
15:20:25 <phila> ack yaso
Phil Archer: ack yaso ←
15:20:28 <Caroline> ericstephan: I suggest that we close this issue. SLA is an alternative way to express data availability. There are simpler ways, that could be described in the data quality vocabulary
Eric Stephan: I suggest that we close this issue. SLA is an alternative way to express data availability. There are simpler ways, that could be described in the data quality vocabulary ←
15:20:53 <Caroline> yaso: how can we describe availabity in a simple way?
Yaso Córdova: how can we describe availabity in a simple way? ←
15:21:09 <phila> Dependencies witehin the WG are generally OK. Dependecies on outside WGs can be dangerous
Phil Archer: Dependencies whithin the WG are generally OK. Dependecies on outside WGs can be dangerous ←
15:21:24 <Caroline> s/witehin/whithin
15:21:24 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
15:21:33 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
15:21:35 <ericstephan> "Back in ss minutes" concept might be introduced?
Eric Stephan: "Back in ss minutes" concept might be introduced? ←
15:21:39 <phila> ack rhiaro
Phil Archer: ack rhiaro ←
15:21:43 <phila> ack riccardoAlbertoni
Phil Archer: ack riccardoAlbertoni ←
15:21:44 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
15:21:55 <riccardoAlbertoni> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service-level_agreement
Riccardo Albertoni: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service-level_agreement ←
15:21:56 <phila> riccardoAlbertoni: If you want to have an SLA as a quality dimension - OK
Riccardo Albertoni: If you want to have an SLA as a quality dimension - OK [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
15:22:09 <annette_g> q_
Annette Greiner: q_ ←
15:22:12 <annette_g> q-
Annette Greiner: q- ←
15:22:12 <yaso> My question to BernadetteLoscio_ was: is there a simpler or alternative way to provide info about availability of data?
Yaso Córdova: My question to BernadetteLoscio_ was: is there a simpler or alternative way to provide info about availability of data? ←
15:22:17 <phila> ... the wiki page pointed to includes some kind oif promise that the publisher makes wrt quality
Phil Archer: ... the wiki page pointed to includes some kind oif promise that the publisher makes wrt quality ←
15:22:25 <phila> [Abba Dancing Queen]
Phil Archer: [Abba Dancing Queen] ←
15:22:34 <ericstephan> lol
Eric Stephan: lol ←
15:22:46 <deirdrelee> yaso, yes, refer to data quality work..
Deirdre Lee: yaso, yes, refer to data quality work.. ←
15:22:50 <phila> riccardoAlbertoni: I wonder if there is more than just measuring the level of service
Riccardo Albertoni: I wonder if there is more than just measuring the level of service [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
15:23:11 <phila> ... is an SLA an actual agreement. is it a legal contract and not just quality
Phil Archer: ... is an SLA an actual agreement. is it a legal contract and not just quality ←
15:23:14 <phila> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
15:23:27 <phila> deirdrelee: The SLA isn't just about quality, it's a legal agreement
Deirdre Lee: The SLA isn't just about quality, it's a legal agreement [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
15:23:29 <phila> ack l
Phil Archer: ack l ←
15:23:35 <yaso> Yes, but if this data quality work does not exist? Suppose that we don't make it. How can I publish information about the availability of my data?
Yaso Córdova: Yes, but if this data quality work does not exist? Suppose that we don't make it. How can I publish information about the availability of my data? ←
15:23:35 <BernadetteLoscio_> q-
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q- ←
15:23:52 <yaso> (naive question, I know)
Yaso Córdova: (naive question, I know) ←
15:24:06 <phila> Have a little faith Yaso!
Phil Archer: Have a little faith Yaso! ←
15:24:16 <Caroline> laufer: we have a BP that says 2 ways to provide this information: for humand and for machines
Carlos Laufer: we have a BP that says 2 ways to provide this information: for humand and for machines ←
15:24:35 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
15:24:52 <Caroline> ... the BP about providing quality informaiton solves this issue
... the BP about providing quality information solves this issue ←
15:25:02 <phila> deirdrelee: Time's up on this topic
Deirdre Lee: Time's up on this topic [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
15:25:05 <Caroline> ... the BP 8
... the BP 8 ←
15:25:12 <phila> deirdrelee: How can we refer to DQV if we don't have it it
Deirdre Lee: How can we refer to DQV if we don't have it it [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
15:25:18 <yaso> Trying to have, phila! can't I as a small creator of data just say in specific field: "monthly provided" - maybe a different approach for implementation
Yaso Córdova: Trying to have, phila! can't I as a small creator of data just say in specific field: "monthly provided" - maybe a different approach for implementation ←
15:25:22 <phila> ... we can assume that there will be this work
Phil Archer: ... we can assume that there will be this work ←
15:25:24 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/informaiton/information
15:25:39 <yaso> okok, so I'll assume that too :-) phila
Yaso Córdova: okok, so I'll assume that too :-) phila ←
15:25:40 <ericstephan> +1 deirdrelee
Eric Stephan: +1 deirdrelee ←
15:25:45 <phila> deirdrelee: If for some reason the DQV doesn't happen, Ok, we'll deal with it
Deirdre Lee: If for some reason the DQV doesn't happen, Ok, we'll deal with it [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
15:25:49 <annette_g> +1 if there is a BP for publishing data quality info
Annette Greiner: +1 if there is a BP for publishing data quality info ←
15:25:50 <phila> ... in terms ofthe SLA issue
Phil Archer: ... in terms ofthe SLA issue ←
15:26:02 <Caroline> deirdrelee: we are going to ericstephan proposal in terms of SAL
Deirdre Lee: we are going to ericstephan proposed in terms of SLA ←
15:26:06 <Caroline> s/SAL/SLA
15:26:40 <ericstephan> PROPOSAL: Close issue-53 - SLA should nto be referred to in the BP doc. SLA can be a dimension of data quality, data availability may be described in other ways in the DQ vocab
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-53 - SLA should not be referred to in the BP doc. SLA can be a dimension of data quality, data availability may be described in other ways in the DQ vocab ←
15:26:54 <deirdrelee> s/proposal/proposed
15:26:54 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
15:26:59 <Caroline> s/nto/not
15:27:00 <ericstephan> sorry
Eric Stephan: sorry ←
15:27:04 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
15:27:11 <annette_g> can the proposal say that we have a BP for quality?
Annette Greiner: can the proposal say that we have a BP for quality? ←
15:27:11 <phila> PROPOSED: Close issue-53 - SLA should not be referred to in the BP doc. SLA can be a dimension of data quality, data availability may be described in other ways in the DQ vocab
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-53 - SLA should not be referred to in the BP doc. SLA can be a dimension of data quality, data availability may be described in other ways in the DQ vocab ←
15:27:12 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
15:27:13 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
15:27:31 <phila> annette_g - see http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#ProvideDataQuality
Phil Archer: annette_g - see http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#ProvideDataQuality ←
15:27:42 <riccardoAlbertoni> +0
Riccardo Albertoni: +0 ←
15:27:46 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
15:27:50 <GiselePappa> q+
Gisele Pappa: q+ ←
15:28:01 <laufer> SLA is not a dimension of DQV
Carlos Laufer: SLA is not a dimension of DQV ←
15:28:14 <phila> riccardoAlbertoni: My 0 ... it's find me to treat an SLA as a dimension of quality, but it's something different
Riccardo Albertoni: My 0 ... it's find me to treat an SLA as a dimension of quality, but it's something different [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
15:28:21 <annette_g> riccardo is too close to the mic?
Annette Greiner: riccardo is too close to the mic? ←
15:28:25 <laufer> some aspects of SLA could be covered by dimensions of DQV
Carlos Laufer: some aspects of SLA could be covered by dimensions of DQV ←
15:28:27 <yaso> scribe: yaso
(Scribe set to Yaso Córdova)
15:29:01 <phila> riccardoAlbertoni: An SLA is a promise between the provider and the consumer
Riccardo Albertoni: An SLA is a promise between the provider and the consumer [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
15:29:11 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
15:29:12 <phila> ... the consumer will receive a certain level of service
Phil Archer: ... the consumer will receive a certain level of service ←
15:29:14 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
15:29:17 <yaso> tks phila
tks phila ←
15:29:35 <phila> ack GiselePappa
Phil Archer: ack GiselePappa ←
15:29:42 <deirdrelee> zakim, close the queue
Deirdre Lee: zakim, close the queue ←
15:29:42 <Zakim> ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is closed
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is closed ←
15:29:49 <yaso> GiselePappa: Just to say that I agree with Laufer that is not a dimension
Gisele Pappa: Just to say that I agree with Laufer that is not a dimension ←
15:29:59 <yaso> ... is a way to measure data quality, but is not a dimension
... is a way to measure data quality, but is not a dimension ←
15:30:02 <laufer> +1 to riccardo... and the contract could attend or not the quality needs of the consumer
Carlos Laufer: +1 to riccardo... and the contract could attend or not the quality needs of the consumer ←
15:30:07 <phila> ack e
Phil Archer: ack e ←
15:30:12 <yaso> GiselePappa: I'll try to rewrite it
Gisele Pappa: I'll try to rewrite it ←
15:31:01 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
15:31:01 <yaso> ericstephan: to me, I'm not getting caught by the term, I would suggest that perhaps that we it falls under a type of data quality but it is just to use a more generic
Eric Stephan: to me, I'm not getting caught by the term, I would suggest that perhapss that we it falls under a type of data quality but it is just to use a more generic ←
15:31:12 <GiselePappa> PROPOSED: Close issue-53 - SLA should not be referred to in the BP doc. SLA aspects can be covered by a dimension of data quality, data availability may be described in other ways in the DQ vocab
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-53 - SLA should not be referred to in the BP doc. SLA aspects can be covered by a dimension of data quality, data availability may be described in other ways in the DQ vocab ←
15:31:29 <yaso> phila: An SLA is one way to provide info about the quality of data
Phil Archer: An SLA is one way to provide info about the quality of data ←
15:31:42 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
15:31:47 <yaso> +1
+1 ←
15:31:47 <Sumit_Purohit> +1
Sumit Purohit: +1 ←
15:31:51 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
15:32:02 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 I agree with phil
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 I agree with phil ←
15:32:05 <phila> deirdrelee: There's too much uncertainty about what the DQV will offer so we should leave the issues open and come back to them later
Deirdre Lee: There's too much uncertainty about what the DQV will offer so we should leave the issues open and come back to them later [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
15:32:06 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
15:32:12 <phila> ... spoke too soon
Phil Archer: ... spoke too soon ←
15:32:13 <BernadetteLoscio_> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
15:32:50 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: says that she disagrees of deirdre's proposal
Bernadette Farias Loscio: says that she disagrees of deirdre's proposal ←
15:33:08 <phila> PROPOSED: Close issue-53 - SLA should not be referred to in the BP doc. SLA can be one way to express data quality across multiple dimensions defined in the DQV
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-53 - SLA should not be referred to in the BP doc. SLA can be one way to express data quality across multiple dimensions defined in the DQV ←
15:33:32 <laufer> do we have a SLA here?
Carlos Laufer: do we have a SLA here? ←
15:33:37 <yaso> +1
+1 ←
15:33:38 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
15:33:39 <BernadetteLoscio_> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
15:33:40 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
15:33:40 <phila> Stop being awkward laufer
Phil Archer: Stop being awkward laufer ←
15:33:41 <GiselePappa> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
15:33:43 <Sumit_Purohit> +1
Sumit Purohit: +1 ←
15:33:49 <ericstephan> +
Eric Stephan: + ←
15:33:52 <laufer> hmmmm
Carlos Laufer: hmmmm ←
15:34:30 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
15:34:31 <ericstephan> uncertainty quantification needed about data quality, is what we are basically saying
Eric Stephan: uncertainty quantification needed about data quality, is what we are basically saying ←
15:35:18 <deirdrelee> draft proposal: data quality vocab includes a note on how data quality can be expressed, e.g. in SLAs, using ODI certs, metadata, etc
Deirdre Lee: draft proposal: data quality vocab includes a note on how data quality can be expressed, e.g. in SLAs, using ODI certs, metadata, etc ←
15:35:20 <makx> +1 to phil
Makx Dekkers: +1 to phil ←
15:35:30 <yaso> deirdre: inconcrete terms
Deirdre Lee: inconcrete terms ←
15:35:31 <laufer> I agree phil... the sla could not be an explicit thing called sla... but a thing that can be extracted of things thta the publisher say...
Carlos Laufer: I agree phil... the sla could not be an explicit thing called sla... but a thing that can be extracted of things thta the publisher say... ←
15:35:35 <ericstephan> I think we are defining the DQV model right now phila
Eric Stephan: I think we are defining the DQV model right now phila ←
15:35:45 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
15:35:47 <makx> call it guarantees
Makx Dekkers: call it guarantees ←
15:35:59 <BernadetteLoscio_> it should be on the BP, no?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: it should be on the BP, no? ←
15:36:05 <laufer> yes, makx
Carlos Laufer: yes, makx ←
15:36:21 <annette_g> yes, makx, SLA is not a good term
Annette Greiner: yes, makx, SLA is not a good term ←
15:36:28 <phila> PROPOSED: data quality vocab includes methods for expressing data quality, e.g. in SLAs, using ODI certs, metadata, etc
PROPOSED: data quality vocab includes methods for expressing data quality, e.g. in SLAs, using ODI certs, metadata, etc ←
15:36:38 <BernadetteLoscio_> different ways of providing data quality should be possible approaches for implementation
Bernadette Farias Loscio: different ways of providing data quality should be possible approaches for implementation ←
15:36:58 <laufer> SLA is a way to express guarantees...
Carlos Laufer: SLA is a way to express guarantees... ←
15:37:09 <ericstephan> phila there seems to be a natural parent concept there ("guarentees"?) and sla a child concept?
Eric Stephan: phila there seems to be a natural parent concept there ("guarentees"?) and sla a child concept? ←
15:37:10 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: I think that I'm not sure that the Data Vocabulary is the right place
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think that I'm not sure that the Data Vocabulary is the right place ←
15:37:31 <makx> yes laufer that's what i wanted to say
Makx Dekkers: yes laufer that's what i wanted to say ←
15:37:39 <phila> Could be, ericstephan
Phil Archer: Could be, ericstephan ←
15:37:40 <yaso> ... not sure about the right place to put it
... not sure about the right place to put it ←
15:38:02 <phila> PROPOSED: data quality vocab includes methods for expressing data quality, e.g. in SLAs, using ODI certs, metadata, etc
PROPOSED: data quality vocab includes methods for expressing data quality, e.g. in SLAs, using ODI certs, metadata, etc ←
15:38:08 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
15:38:17 <laufer> I am just agreeing with what you said, makx
Carlos Laufer: I am just agreeing with what you said, makx ←
15:38:23 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
15:38:29 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
15:38:30 <yaso> +1
+1 ←
15:38:33 <Sumit_Purohit> +1
Sumit Purohit: +1 ←
15:38:33 <BernadetteLoscio_> 0
15:38:35 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
15:38:51 <ericstephan> whaaaa BernadetteLoscio_ ?
Eric Stephan: whaaaa BernadetteLoscio_ ? ←
15:38:53 <phila> zakim, [ is Austin
Phil Archer: zakim, [ is Austin ←
15:38:54 <Zakim> +Austin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Austin; got it ←
15:38:55 <Caroline> scribe: Caroline
(Scribe set to Caroline Burle)
15:38:55 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 let's re-discuss this when we have aversion of data quality vocabulary ..
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 let's re-discuss this when we have aversion of data quality vocabulary .. ←
15:39:03 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
15:39:08 <laufer> aversion...
Carlos Laufer: a version... ←
15:39:20 <phila> Close issue-53
Phil Archer: Close ISSUE-53 ←
15:39:20 <trackbot_> Closed issue-53.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-53. ←
15:39:20 <trackbot> Closed issue-53.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-53. ←
15:39:27 <phila> issue-54?
15:39:27 <trackbot_> issue-54 -- The term "sla" is vague, undefined, and may not actually represent an agreement between the publisher and reuser -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-54 -- The term "sla" is vague, undefined, and may not actually represent an agreement between the publisher and reuser -- open ←
15:39:27 <trackbot> issue-54 -- The term "sla" is vague, undefined, and may not actually represent an agreement between the publisher and reuser -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-54 -- The term "sla" is vague, undefined, and may not actually represent an agreement between the publisher and reuser -- open ←
15:39:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/54
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/54 ←
15:39:27 <trackbot_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/54
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/54 ←
15:39:31 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/aversion/ a version
15:39:39 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: close issue 54
15:39:42 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
15:39:45 <ericstephan> "aversion" or "a version"?
Eric Stephan: "aversion" or "a version"? ←
15:40:25 <annette_g> +1 to close 54
Annette Greiner: +1 to close 54 ←
15:40:32 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
15:40:36 <BernadetteLoscio_> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
15:40:41 <GiselePappa> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
15:40:42 <Caroline> +1
+1 ←
15:40:43 <riccardoAlbertoni> to ericstephan: a version
Riccardo Albertoni: to ericstephan: a version ←
15:40:53 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
15:41:08 <phila> RESOLVED: Close issue-54
15:41:12 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: close issue-93
15:41:13 <ericstephan> okay thanks riccardoAlbertoni :-)
Eric Stephan: okay thanks riccardoAlbertoni :-) ←
15:41:18 <phila> issue-93?
15:41:18 <trackbot> issue-93 -- Free Open Data SLAs for Open Data publishing -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-93 -- Free Open Data SLAs for Open Data publishing -- open ←
15:41:18 <trackbot_> issue-93 -- Free Open Data SLAs for Open Data publishing -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-93 -- Free Open Data SLAs for Open Data publishing -- open ←
15:41:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/93
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/93 ←
15:41:18 <trackbot_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/93
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/93 ←
15:41:18 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
15:42:34 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
15:42:47 <laufer> hello
Carlos Laufer: hello ←
15:43:12 <laufer> I want to talk about 93
Carlos Laufer: I want to talk about 93 ←
15:43:12 <phila> action: Riccardo to ensure that the DQV document includes SLAs as a possible method for expressing quality
ACTION: Riccardo to ensure that the DQV document includes SLAs as a possible method for expressing quality ←
15:43:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-167 - Ensure that the dqv document includes slas as a possible method for expressing quality [on Riccardo Albertoni - due 2015-04-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-167 - Ensure that the dqv document includes slas as a possible method for expressing quality [on Riccardo Albertoni - due 2015-04-21]. ←
15:43:13 <trackbot_> Created ACTION-168 - Ensure that the dqv document includes slas as a possible method for expressing quality [on Riccardo Albertoni - due 2015-04-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-168 - Ensure that the dqv document includes slas as a possible method for expressing quality [on Riccardo Albertoni - due 2015-04-21]. ←
15:43:20 <laufer> 93
Carlos Laufer: 93 ←
15:43:22 <deirdrelee> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/April_2015_F2F
Deirdre Lee: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/April_2015_F2F ←
15:44:09 <phila> close issue-54
Phil Archer: close ISSUE-54 ←
15:44:09 <trackbot> Closed issue-54.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-54. ←
15:44:09 <trackbot_> Closed issue-54.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-54. ←
15:44:27 <Caroline> deirdrelee: for the last 15min we will talk about the BP public working draft
Deirdre Lee: for the last 15min we will talk about the BP public working draft ←
15:44:27 <phila> Topic: BP Doc Time Line
15:44:50 <Caroline> ... we have created a lot of action
... we have created a lot of actions ←
15:44:59 <Caroline> s/action/actions
15:45:15 <phila> close issue-144
Phil Archer: close ISSUE-144 ←
15:45:15 <trackbot> Closed issue-144.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-144. ←
15:45:15 <trackbot_> Closed issue-144.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-144. ←
15:45:47 <Caroline> ... the editors must keep on track with the contributors to incorporate them in the document. It is up to the editors to make decisions on what to incorporate or not
... the editors must keep on track with the contributors to incorporate them in the document. It is up to the editors to make decisions on what to incorporate or not ←
15:46:08 <Caroline> q+
q+ ←
15:46:18 <phila> zakim, open queue
Phil Archer: zakim, open queue ←
15:46:18 <Zakim> ok, phila, the speaker queue is open
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, phila, the speaker queue is open ←
15:46:27 <phila> ack Caroline
Phil Archer: ack Caroline ←
15:47:06 <BernadetteLoscio_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule
Bernadette Farias Loscio: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule ←
15:48:40 <Caroline> Caroline: asks to everyone to read the proposed schedule so we can discuss it in 2min from now
Caroline Burle: asks to everyone to read the proposed schedule so we can discuss it in 2min from now ←
15:49:20 <Caroline> ... it is important to have an agreement on this so the editors can make decisions regarding the discussions/actions/issues and edit the document
... it is important to have an agreement on this so the editors can make decisions regarding the discussions/actions/issues and edit the document ←
15:49:42 <Caroline> ... also, if people can contribute direct on github it would very much help the editors
... also, if people can contribute direct on github it would very much help the editors ←
15:49:51 <NewtonCalegari> q+ to ask about memento and versioning (yesterday topic)
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Unknown NewtonCalegari: q+ to ask about memento and versioning (yesterday topic) ←
15:50:10 <yaso> phila: would you reconsider opening issues on github for the second round on community feedback?
Phil Archer: would you reconsider opening issues on github for the second round on community feedback? [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
15:50:21 <BernadetteLoscio_> yes
Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes ←
15:52:04 <deirdrelee> ACK NewtonCalegari
Deirdre Lee: ACK NewtonCalegari ←
15:52:04 <Zakim> NewtonCalegari, you wanted to ask about memento and versioning (yesterday topic)
Zakim IRC Bot: NewtonCalegari, you wanted to ask about memento and versioning (yesterday topic) ←
15:52:10 <Caroline> NewtonCalegari: about the memento and versioning
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Unknown NewtonCalegari: about the memento and versioning ←
15:52:36 <Caroline> ... we must creat an action about it
... we must creat an action about it ←
15:52:43 <Caroline> deirdrelee: go ahead and creat it, NewtonCalegari
Deirdre Lee: go ahead and creat it, NewtonCalegari ←
15:52:46 <Caroline> NewtonCalegari: ok
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Unknown NewtonCalegari: ok ←
15:52:55 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
15:52:59 <Caroline> scribre: yaso
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15:53:14 <yaso> phila: to the BP doc editors
Phil Archer: to the BP doc editors [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
15:53:22 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
15:53:37 <phila> ack b
Phil Archer: ack b ←
15:53:39 <yaso> ... in there's anything you need to discuss today, say it
Yaso Córdova: ... in there's anything you need to discuss today, say it ←
15:54:08 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: I think that for the proposed scheduled there are 3 improtant things:
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think that for the proposed scheduled there are 3 improtant things: [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
15:54:11 <phila> phila: Is there anything stopping the BP editors meeting the 18 May target as described in https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule
Phil Archer: Is there anything stopping the BP editors meeting the 18 May target as described in https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
15:54:18 <NewtonCalegari> action newton create a "Possible Approach to Implementation" showing Memento examples
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Unknown NewtonCalegari: action newton create a "Possible Approach to Implementation" showing Memento examples ←
15:54:19 <trackbot_> Created ACTION-169 - Create a "possible approach to implementation" showing memento examples [on Newton Calegari - due 2015-04-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-169 - Create a "possible approach to implementation" showing memento examples [on Newton Calegari - due 2015-04-21]. ←
15:54:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-170 - Create a "possible approach to implementation" showing memento examples [on Newton Calegari - due 2015-04-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-170 - Create a "possible approach to implementation" showing memento examples [on Newton Calegari - due 2015-04-21]. ←
15:54:31 <yaso> ... 1: we are going to try to include the resolutions on the doc, but there are other comments that we need to discuss
Yaso Córdova: ... 1: we are going to try to include the resolutions on the doc, but there are other comments that we need to discuss ←
15:54:35 <Zakim> -Ipswich
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Zakim IRC Bot: -Ipswich ←
15:54:46 <yaso> ... so I suggest that in the next meeting we discuss this issues
Yaso Córdova: ... so I suggest that in the next meeting we discuss this issues ←
15:54:51 <yaso> ... and comments
Yaso Córdova: ... and comments ←
15:54:57 <yaso> Ahá, the wine!
Yaso Córdova: Ahá, the wine! ←
15:54:59 <deirdrelee> which comments BernadetteLoscio_ ?
Deirdre Lee: which comments BernadetteLoscio_ ? ←
15:55:06 <ericstephan> you didn't want us to hear you eating the chocolate
Eric Stephan: you didn't want us to hear you eating the chocolate ←
15:55:08 <Zakim> +??P0
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0 ←
15:55:16 <yaso> lol
Yaso Córdova: lol ←
15:55:43 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: about the comments
Bernadette Farias Loscio: about the comments [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
15:55:53 <yaso> ... there are comments that are still in discussion
Yaso Córdova: ... there are comments that are still in discussion ←
15:56:10 <yaso> ... the second thing is about this examples, it is really important to show
Yaso Córdova: ... the second thing is about this examples, it is really important to show ←
15:56:18 <yaso> ... because people want to see how to do this
Yaso Córdova: ... because people want to see how to do this ←
15:56:21 <yaso> q+
Yaso Córdova: q+ ←
15:56:24 <phila> q+ to ask what comments?
Phil Archer: q+ to ask what comments? ←
15:56:43 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: for the next version we would like to see some examples
Bernadette Farias Loscio: for the next version we would like to see some examples [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
15:57:33 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: I think if we are going thru this is a great improvement for the doc
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think if we are going thru this is a great improvement for the doc [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
15:58:06 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: for the next version, I think that there is not enough resources to build tests
Bernadette Farias Loscio: for the next version, I think that there is not enough resources to build tests [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
15:58:07 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
15:58:50 <yaso> ... for the next draft I think we should consider the comments, the examples and also to consider the things that we discussed during this f2f. The action that we can use to improve this version of the doc
Yaso Córdova: ... for the next draft I think we should consider the comments, the examples and also to consider the things that we discussed during this f2f. The action that we can use to improve this version of the doc ←
15:58:51 <ericstephan> +1 BernadetteLoscio_
Eric Stephan: +1 BernadetteLoscio_ ←
15:59:03 <yaso> ... the tests I think we should leave for the next version
Yaso Córdova: ... the tests I think we should leave for the next version ←
15:59:05 <yaso> -q
Yaso Córdova: -q ←
15:59:30 <yaso> deirdre: I think that having a couple of examples is the right way to keep going forward
Deirdre Lee: I think that having a couple of examples is the right way to keep going forward [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:00:05 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
16:00:21 <yaso> deirdre: is a lot easier to get feedback on content that is example
Deirdre Lee: is a lot easier to get feedback on content that is example [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:00:54 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
16:00:54 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to ask what comments?
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to ask what comments? ←
16:01:07 <yaso> phila: BernadetteLoscio_ what comments are you talking about?
Phil Archer: BernadetteLoscio_ what comments are you talking about? [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:01:17 <yaso> phila: we have resolved them
Phil Archer: we have resolved them [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:01:33 <yaso> ... so what are the comments that you need we to look at?
Yaso Córdova: ... so what are the comments that you need we to look at? ←
16:01:39 <phila> This is the only open comment in the tracker https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/WD-dwbp-20150224/3008 And we have talked about Memento already
Phil Archer: This is the only open comment in the tracker https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/WD-dwbp-20150224/3008 And we have talked about Memento already ←
16:01:48 <yaso> Caroline: I think we have to create an action to put that on the tracker
Caroline Burle: I think we have to create an action to put that on the tracker [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:02:16 <yaso> deirdre feedback from the public we should discuss
Yaso Córdova: deirdre feedback from the public we should discuss ←
16:02:39 <phila> acke
Phil Archer: acke ←
16:02:41 <phila> ack e
Phil Archer: ack e ←
16:02:52 <yaso> ericstephan: this examples can be developed while we go with the work
Eric Stephan: this examples can be developed while we go with the work [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:02:54 <Caroline> ack ericstephan
ack ericstephan ←
16:02:59 <deirdrelee> ACTION: BernadetteLoscio_ to add all public comments to comment tracker
ACTION: BernadetteLoscio_ to add all public comments to comment tracker ←
16:02:59 <trackbot> Error finding 'BernadetteLoscio_'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'BernadetteLoscio_'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>. ←
16:02:59 <trackbot_> Error finding 'BernadetteLoscio_'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'BernadetteLoscio_'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>. ←
16:03:02 <yaso> ... we are looking for implementations
Yaso Córdova: ... we are looking for implementations ←
16:03:06 <deirdrelee> ACTION: Bernadette to add all public comments to comment tracker
ACTION: Bernadette to add all public comments to comment tracker ←
16:03:07 <trackbot_> Created ACTION-171 - to add all public comments to comment tracker [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2015-04-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-171 - to add all public comments to comment tracker [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2015-04-21]. ←
16:03:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-172 - to add all public comments to comment tracker [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2015-04-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-172 - to add all public comments to comment tracker [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2015-04-21]. ←
16:03:16 <yaso> ... why are people publishing or using this best practices
Yaso Córdova: ... why are people publishing or using this best practices ←
16:03:27 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
16:03:31 <Caroline> Caroline and NewtonCalegari will help BernadetteLoscio_ with ACTION-171
Caroline and NewtonCalegari will help BernadetteLoscio_ with ACTION-171 ←
16:03:52 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: I'd like that a small group could work in the examples
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'd like that a small group could work in the examples [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:03:52 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
16:04:06 <yaso> a task force?
Yaso Córdova: a task force? ←
16:04:14 <yaso> agree
Yaso Córdova: agree ←
16:04:17 <yaso> +1 to BernadetteLoscio_
Yaso Córdova: +1 to BernadetteLoscio_ ←
16:04:26 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan
Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan ←
16:04:33 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio_
Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio_ ←
16:04:35 <phila> q+ to talk about examples
Phil Archer: q+ to talk about examples ←
16:04:56 <yaso> ericstephan: at the dinner we had a good conversation about expertise
Eric Stephan: at the dinner we had a good conversation about expertise [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:04:56 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
16:05:01 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
16:05:03 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about examples
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to talk about examples ←
16:05:08 <yaso> ericstephan: mentioned annette_g as a good example of expertise
Eric Stephan: mentioned annette_g as a good example of expertise [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:05:20 <annette_g> I can help
Annette Greiner: I can help ←
16:05:23 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
16:05:26 <deirdrelee> ack me
Deirdre Lee: ack me ←
16:05:26 <ericstephan> good point phila +1
Eric Stephan: good point phila +1 ←
16:05:53 <ericstephan> May 18th, Mount Saint Helens (Washington state USA) eruption 35th anniversary for those interested.
Eric Stephan: May 18th, Mount Saint Helens (Washington state USA) eruption 35th anniversary for those interested. ←
16:06:14 <ericstephan> another example of a deliverable
Eric Stephan: another example of a deliverable ←
16:06:36 <annette_g> * I wish we could deliver on such short notice
Annette Greiner: * I wish we could deliver on such short notice ←
16:06:42 <ericstephan> lol
Eric Stephan: lol ←
16:07:13 <Caroline> we will change the schedule according to this discussion
we will change the schedule according to this discussion ←
16:07:21 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
16:07:27 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio_
Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio_ ←
16:07:51 <ericstephan> unfortunately I was in high school at that time phila (still have a jar of ash) :-)
Eric Stephan: unfortunately I was in high school at that time phila (still have a jar of ash) :-) ←
16:08:11 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: The BP schedule is https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule
PROPOSED: The BP schedule is https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule ←
16:08:14 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
16:08:40 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: we did not worked on the how to test section
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we did not worked on the how to test section [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:08:47 <yaso> Caroline: maybe we can update this now
Caroline Burle: maybe we can update this now [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:08:51 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:09:01 <phila> When my manager looks at this group he sees: a UCR, an FPWD of the BP doc and no sign of the two vocabs. We need to prove the (substantial) progress we've made in this meeting.
Phil Archer: When my manager looks at this group he sees: a UCR, an FPWD of the BP doc and no sign of the two vocabs. We need to prove the (substantial) progress we've made in this meeting. ←
16:09:04 <yaso> people here wants to keep working
Yaso Córdova: people here wants to keep working ←
16:09:10 <ericstephan> dissension
Eric Stephan: dissension ←
16:09:16 <yaso> And work till lunch
Yaso Córdova: And work till lunch ←
16:09:18 <phila> Not lunch yet!
Phil Archer: Not lunch yet! ←
16:09:30 <phila> Just a 10 min break
Phil Archer: Just a 10 min break ←
16:09:41 <ericstephan> only whiskey in texas
Eric Stephan: only whiskey in texas ←
16:09:51 <phila> Propose lunch at 12:30 Austin time
Phil Archer: Propose lunch at 12:30 Austin time ←
16:09:58 <yaso> +1 to phila
Yaso Córdova: +1 to phila ←
16:10:01 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
16:10:07 <Caroline> ok! We will change the schedule in 10min
ok! We will change the schedule in 10min ←
16:10:10 <Caroline> so we can vote it
so we can vote it ←
16:10:12 <Caroline> :)
:) ←
16:10:35 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: The BP next PWD to be published on May 18th
PROPOSED: The BP next PWD to be published on May 18th ←
16:10:48 <Caroline> no!!!
no!!! ←
16:10:53 <Caroline> that is not the proposal!
that is not the proposal! ←
16:10:57 <yaso> Caroline: strongly disagrees
Caroline Burle: strongly disagrees [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:11:06 <Caroline> yes! Thks
yes! Thks ←
16:11:11 <NewtonCalegari> 22 May 2015 Group voting
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Unknown NewtonCalegari: 22 May 2015 Group voting ←
16:11:29 <Caroline> PROPOSED : Last review of document before publishing it on May 18th
PROPOSED : Last review of document before publishing it on May 18th ←
16:11:33 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
16:11:37 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
16:11:42 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
16:11:57 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
16:12:10 <Caroline> rephrasing it
rephrasing it ←
16:12:58 <Caroline> PROPOSED : on May 18th is the deadline for the Last review of document before publishing it. 22th May Group voting the document to be published
PROPOSED : on May 18th is the deadline for the Last review of document before publishing it. 22th May Group voting the document to be published ←
16:13:06 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
16:13:46 <phila> PROPOSED : May 18th is the deadline for the Last review of the BP document before publishing it. 22th May Group voting the document to be published
Phil Archer: PROPOSED : May 18th is the deadline for the Last review of the BP document before publishing it. 22th May Group voting the document to be published ←
16:14:30 <ericstephan> <whispers>
Eric Stephan: <whispers> ←
16:14:42 <flavio_> not yet
Flavio Yanai: not yet ←
16:14:44 <yaso> Because people are confabulating on something.
Yaso Córdova: Because people are confabulating on something. ←
16:14:53 <Caroline> let's rephrase it. Sorry!
let's rephrase it. Sorry! ←
16:14:57 <Caroline> Just 2min
Just 2min ←
16:15:15 <yaso> deirdre: we ARE going to breake
Deirdre Lee: we ARE going to breake [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:15:18 <Caroline> we need 5min
we need 5min ←
16:15:19 <ericstephan> eleven thirtyish
Eric Stephan: eleven thirtyish ←
16:15:34 <Caroline> ok
ok ←
16:15:38 <ericstephan> okay
Eric Stephan: okay ←
16:16:08 <Zakim> -Austin
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Zakim IRC Bot: -Austin ←
16:17:52 <Zakim> -makx
Zakim IRC Bot: -makx ←
16:31:30 <yaso> everybody ready to get back?
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Yaso Córdova: everybody ready to get back? ←
16:33:48 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
16:34:42 <ericstephan> re-docking to the mothership roger
Eric Stephan: re-docking to the mothership roger ←
16:34:52 <yaso> Caroline: Just one more minute
Caroline Burle: Just one more minute [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:35:03 <phila> zakim, [ is Austin
Phil Archer: zakim, [ is Austin ←
16:35:05 <Zakim> +Austin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Austin; got it ←
16:35:06 <Caroline> The schedule is updated https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule. We will put the tests on the next schedule.
The schedule is updated https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule. We will put the tests on the next schedule. ←
16:35:10 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
16:35:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
16:35:22 <Caroline> The schedule is updated https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule. We will put the tests on the next schedule.
The schedule is updated https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule. We will put the tests on the next schedule. ←
16:35:53 <yaso> I think is too far away
Yaso Córdova: I think is too far away ←
16:37:25 <yaso> Caroline: can you hear us?
Caroline Burle: can you hear us? [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:38:47 <phila> When do you plan to publish the FPWD of the glossary?
Phil Archer: When do you plan to publish the FPWD of the glossary? ←
16:38:56 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
16:39:01 <annette_g> q-
Annette Greiner: q- ←
16:39:05 <phila> All we hear is background hubub, nothing we can actually follow
Phil Archer: All we hear is background hubub, nothing we can actually follow ←
16:39:41 <yaso> deirdre: this is the proposal?
Deirdre Lee: this is the proposal? [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:39:41 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: yes]
Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes] [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:39:42 <yaso> PROPOSED: to change the schedule to d https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule
PROPOSED: to change the schedule to d https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule ←
16:39:43 <yaso> sorry guys
Yaso Córdova: sorry guys ←
16:39:50 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
16:39:59 <yaso> PROPOSED: to change the schedule to https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule
PROPOSED: to change the schedule to https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule ←
16:40:19 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: the glossary is going to be a note, but published together
Bernadette Farias Loscio: the glossary is going to be a note, but published together [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:40:27 <yaso> _1 to BernadetteLoscio_
Yaso Córdova: _1 to BernadetteLoscio_ ←
16:40:33 <annette_g> +1 to BernadetteLoscio_
Annette Greiner: +1 to BernadetteLoscio_ ←
16:40:34 <yaso> I think is a separate document
Yaso Córdova: I think is a separate document ←
16:40:39 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
16:40:42 <yaso> _1
Yaso Córdova: _1 ←
16:40:47 <yaso> +q
Yaso Córdova: +q ←
16:40:50 <Sumit_Purohit> +1 BernadetteLoscio_
Sumit Purohit: +1 BernadetteLoscio_ ←
16:41:04 <ericstephan> +1 glossary, its information on the web
Eric Stephan: +1 glossary, its information on the web ←
16:41:13 <phila> PROPOSED: That the Glossary is a separate document (a WG NOTE)
PROPOSED: That the Glossary is a separate document (a WG NOTE) ←
16:41:18 <Caroline> +1
+1 ←
16:41:19 <yaso> deirdre: is the glossary a separate note or it will be published with the BP doc
Deirdre Lee: is the glossary a separate note or it will be published with the BP doc [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:41:21 <yaso> ?
Yaso Córdova: ? ←
16:41:21 <annette_g> -1
Annette Greiner: -1 ←
16:41:24 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
16:41:33 <phila> ack annette_g
Phil Archer: ack annette_g ←
16:41:34 <Sumit_Purohit> -1
Sumit Purohit: -1 ←
16:41:40 <yaso> q-
Yaso Córdova: q- ←
16:41:59 <yaso> annette_g: I put -1 because I think that it should be part of the document
Annette Greiner: I put -1 because I think that it should be part of the document [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:42:04 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
16:42:13 <deirdrelee> q+ to say it applies to all documents in dwbp wg
Deirdre Lee: q+ to say it applies to all documents in dwbp wg ←
16:42:14 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
16:42:17 <phila> annette_g: I think it should be part of the document that it's about. If separate, the BO should make sense without it and the glossary should make sense on its own
Annette Greiner: I think it should be part of the document that it's about. If separate, the BO should make sense without it and the glossary should make sense on its own [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
16:42:19 <yaso> ... if it is a separate document I think it should make sense on it's own
Yaso Córdova: ... if it is a separate document I think it should make sense on it's own ←
16:42:20 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio_
Phil Archer: ack BernadetteLoscio_ ←
16:42:28 <BernadetteLoscio_> http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-glossary/
Bernadette Farias Loscio: http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-glossary/ ←
16:42:33 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: It is not clear to me what the glossary will be
Bernadette Farias Loscio: It is not clear to me what the glossary will be [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:42:35 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
16:42:51 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: the idea of the glossary is for us to have an agreement of the terms
Bernadette Farias Loscio: the idea of the glossary is for us to have an agreement of the terms [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:42:56 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
16:43:02 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: that is why Im surprised
Bernadette Farias Loscio: that is why Im surprised [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:43:07 <yaso> q+
Yaso Córdova: q+ ←
16:43:12 <deirdrelee> ack laufer
Deirdre Lee: ack laufer ←
16:43:28 <yaso> laufer: we will publish this agreement because the audience has to understand our agreement
Carlos Laufer: we will publish this agreement because the audience has to understand our agreement [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:43:42 <Sumit_Purohit> +1 for annette_g and BernadetteLoscio_
Sumit Purohit: +1 for annette_g and BernadetteLoscio_ ←
16:43:51 <yaso> ... I think the glossary is not only for terms that we use at the BP doc, in the other docs of the group we will use the same content
Yaso Córdova: ... I think the glossary is not only for terms that we use at the BP doc, in the other docs of the group we will use the same content ←
16:43:54 <phila> ack next
Phil Archer: ack next ←
16:43:55 <Zakim> deirdrelee, you wanted to say it applies to all documents in dwbp wg
Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee, you wanted to say it applies to all documents in dwbp wg ←
16:44:02 <yaso> deirdre: I agree with laufer
Deirdre Lee: I agree with laufer [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:44:16 <phila> deirdrelee: I think the doc should be independent as it applies to all the docs we create
Deirdre Lee: I think the doc should be independent as it applies to all the docs we create [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
16:44:24 <deirdrelee> http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/blob/gh-pages/glossary.html
Deirdre Lee: http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/blob/gh-pages/glossary.html ←
16:44:28 <phila> ... what should it be - it's a list if terms
Phil Archer: ... what should it be - it's a list if terms ←
16:44:29 <yaso> ... the document should be independent because I think that the document applies to all the deliverables
Yaso Córdova: ... the document should be independent because I think that the document applies to all the deliverables ←
16:44:39 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
16:44:40 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan
Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan ←
16:44:58 <yaso> ericstephan: I'm looking at what yaso has untill now
Eric Stephan: I'm looking at what yaso has untill now [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:45:30 <yaso> ... if it something like what I'm looking at know, then is just something that people should point or read
Yaso Córdova: ... if it something like what I'm looking at know, then is just something that people should point or read ←
16:45:33 <phila> q+ to make a suggestion (we could do both)
Phil Archer: q+ to make a suggestion (we could do both) ←
16:45:49 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
16:46:01 <deirdrelee> zakim, close queue
Deirdre Lee: zakim, close queue ←
16:46:01 <Zakim> ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is closed
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is closed ←
16:47:05 <ericstephan> yes we did talk about this yaso, adding mental models as examples in the glossary.
Eric Stephan: yes we did talk about this yaso, adding mental models as examples in the glossary. ←
16:47:24 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
16:47:24 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to make a suggestion (we could do both)
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to make a suggestion (we could do both) ←
16:47:30 <deirdrelee> zakim, open queue
Deirdre Lee: zakim, open queue ←
16:47:30 <Zakim> ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is open
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is open ←
16:47:31 <ericstephan> OPEN THE QUEUE
Eric Stephan: OPEN THE QUEUE ←
16:47:34 <ericstephan> :-)
Eric Stephan: :-) ←
16:47:37 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: feels trapped by the closed queue
Bernadette Farias Loscio: feels trapped by the closed queue [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:47:43 <BernadetteLoscio_> ==
Bernadette Farias Loscio: == ←
16:47:58 <ericstephan> queue-straphobic
Eric Stephan: queue-straphobic ←
16:48:00 <BernadetteLoscio_> http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-glossary/
Bernadette Farias Loscio: http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-glossary/ ←
16:48:02 <yaso> phila: q-
Phil Archer: q- [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:48:06 <yaso> sorry
Yaso Córdova: sorry ←
16:48:06 <BernadetteLoscio_> example of glossary!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: example of glossary! ←
16:48:07 <yaso> q-
Yaso Córdova: q- ←
16:48:11 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
16:48:49 <yaso> annette_g: I think we need to consider what is the audience of the glossary
Annette Greiner: I think we need to consider what is the audience of the glossary [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:49:07 <ericstephan> initially its for us, to keep us in line for what we decide as a definition... :-)
Eric Stephan: initially its for us, to keep us in line for what we decide as a definition... :-) ←
16:49:10 <Sumit_Purohit> q+
Sumit Purohit: q+ ←
16:49:13 <yaso> ... if it's made for the people who are reading the document so I think that it should be separated
Yaso Córdova: ... if it's made for the people who are reading the document so I think that it should be separated ←
16:49:15 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g
Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g ←
16:49:19 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
16:49:23 <deirdrelee> ack Sumit_Purohit
Deirdre Lee: ack Sumit_Purohit ←
16:49:36 <yaso> Sumit_Purohit: I think the glossary is a separated material
Sumit Purohit: I think the glossary is a separated material [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:49:44 <yaso> ..I'm
Yaso Córdova: ..I'm ←
16:49:47 <yaso> trying to
Yaso Córdova: trying to ←
16:49:57 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
16:50:09 <yaso> Ok, thanks, phila!
Yaso Córdova: Ok, thanks, phila! ←
16:50:47 <ericstephan> q-
Eric Stephan: q- ←
16:50:48 <yaso> deirdre: when we have the 1st version
Deirdre Lee: when we have the 1st version [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:50:55 <yaso> ... then we can decide
Yaso Córdova: ... then we can decide ←
16:51:00 <yaso> .. if it is ok or not
Yaso Córdova: .. if it is ok or not ←
16:51:08 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:51:12 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee
Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee ←
16:51:35 <NewtonCalegari> if the glossary is a separate doc, should we remove it from BP Schedule and deal with it in a separate schedule as well?
Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown NewtonCalegari: if the glossary is a separate doc, should we remove it from BP Schedule and deal with it in a separate schedule as well? ←
16:51:48 <BernadetteLoscio_> +1 to Newton
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 to Newton ←
16:51:49 <yaso> ok
Yaso Córdova: ok ←
16:51:49 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Glossary should be separate doc from the bp doc
PROPOSED: Glossary should be separate doc from the bp doc ←
16:51:52 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
16:51:53 <phila> I'd say it can be FPWD when the BP doc is updated
Phil Archer: I'd say it can be FPWD when the BP doc is updated ←
16:51:56 <annette_g> -1 to separate schedule
Annette Greiner: -1 to separate schedule ←
16:51:57 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
16:52:03 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
16:52:05 <annette_g> we need to publish together
Annette Greiner: we need to publish together ←
16:52:07 <GiselePappa> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
16:52:11 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
16:52:12 <BernadetteLoscio_> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
16:52:13 <Caroline> +1
+1 ←
16:52:16 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1 ←
16:52:16 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
16:52:16 <flavio_> 0
Flavio Yanai: 0 ←
16:52:18 <Sumit_Purohit> -1
Sumit Purohit: -1 ←
16:52:32 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
16:52:41 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
16:52:49 <Ig_Bittencourt> and +1 to annette_g comments to do not have separate schedule.
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: and +1 to annette_g comments to do not have separate schedule. ←
16:52:52 <phila> PROPOSED: That the glossary is published simultaneously with the next version of the BP doc, with deep links from the BP doc to the relevant terms in the glossary
PROPOSED: That the glossary is published simultaneously with the next version of the BP doc, with deep links from the BP doc to the relevant terms in the glossary ←
16:52:54 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio_: we are discussing here that if there are 2 docs, we should have separated schedules
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we are discussing here that if there are 2 docs, we should have separated schedules [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:53:07 <annette_g> +1 to phil
Annette Greiner: +1 to phil ←
16:53:12 <phila> q+ to say you can't publish a doc with broken links
Phil Archer: q+ to say you can't publish a doc with broken links ←
16:53:14 <yaso> ... this doesn't mean they should not be published together
Yaso Córdova: ... this doesn't mean they should not be published together ←
16:53:17 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio_
Phil Archer: ack BernadetteLoscio_ ←
16:53:31 <flavio_> -1
Flavio Yanai: -1 ←
16:53:44 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
16:53:44 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to say you can't publish a doc with broken links
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to say you can't publish a doc with broken links ←
16:53:52 <yaso> ... it can be synchronized but I think that is another doc, that has another editor, then it should have a separated schedule
Yaso Córdova: ... it can be synchronized but I think that is another doc, that has another editor, then it should have a separated schedule ←
16:54:03 <Sumit_Purohit> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/glossary
Sumit Purohit: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/glossary ←
16:54:03 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
16:54:21 <yaso> phila: you cannot publish document in w3c without proper links
Phil Archer: you cannot publish document in w3c with broken links [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
16:54:45 <annette_g> you're breaking up
Annette Greiner: you're breaking up ←
16:54:47 <phila> s/without proper links/with broken links/
16:54:57 <yaso> tks phila
Yaso Córdova: tks phila ←
16:55:15 <yaso> Can't hear
Yaso Córdova: Can't hear ←
16:55:17 <yaso> ops
Yaso Córdova: ops ←
16:55:29 <phila> deirdrelee: We can have separate dates but they can be published together
Deirdre Lee: We can have separate dates but they can be published together [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
16:55:33 <deirdrelee> ack me
Deirdre Lee: ack me ←
16:55:40 <flavio_> when you publish a thesis, the glossary comes togheter
Flavio Yanai: when you publish a thesis, the glossary comes togheter ←
16:55:41 <BernadetteLoscio_> i agree!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: i agree! ←
16:55:44 <ericstephan> can we make that a proposal?
Eric Stephan: can we make that a proposal? ←
16:55:49 <Caroline> ok
ok ←
16:55:55 <phila> We're actually creating a dependency for the BP doc on the glossary - but that's OK (and quite common)
Phil Archer: We're actually creating a dependency for the BP doc on the glossary - but that's OK (and quite common) ←
16:56:09 <ericstephan> ok
Eric Stephan: ok ←
16:56:11 <phila> deirdrelee: We have a date in the schedule... let's get the revised version of the glossary completed
Deirdre Lee: We have a date in the schedule... let's get the revised version of the glossary completed [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
16:56:26 <phila> phila: I would urge Yaso to include ids for every term in the glossary
Phil Archer: I would urge Yaso to include ids for every term in the glossary [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
16:56:54 <yaso> yes!
Yaso Córdova: yes! ←
16:57:04 <yaso> No problem
Yaso Córdova: No problem ←
16:57:08 <phila> deirdrelee: Are you OK, yaso, with the date of 23 April for the updated glossary?
Deirdre Lee: Are you OK, yaso, with the date of 23 April for the updated glossary? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
16:57:29 <yaso> Yes
Yaso Córdova: Yes ←
16:57:40 <phila> phila: And I'll try and get that para about the mental models done by then ;-)
Phil Archer: And I'll try and get that para about the mental models done by then ;-) [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
16:57:59 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED : May 18th is the deadline for the Last review of the BP document before publishing it. 22th May Group voting the document to be published
Deirdre Lee: PROPOSED : May 18th is the deadline for the Last review of the BP document before publishing it. 22th May Group voting the document to be published ←
16:58:04 <yaso> Yes yes, I have full days vacation at NY to do that :-D
Yaso Córdova: Yes yes, I have full days vacation at NY to do that :-D ←
16:58:09 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
16:58:09 <GiselePappa> q+
Gisele Pappa: q+ ←
16:58:17 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
16:58:38 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
16:58:52 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
16:58:54 <flavio_> +1
Flavio Yanai: +1 ←
16:59:01 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
16:59:02 <Sumit_Purohit> +1
Sumit Purohit: +1 ←
16:59:03 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
16:59:06 <Caroline> +1
+1 ←
16:59:07 <NewtonCalegari> +1
Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown NewtonCalegari: +1 ←
16:59:11 <BernadetteLoscio_> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
16:59:13 <GiselePappa> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
16:59:16 <phila> ack GiselePappa
Phil Archer: ack GiselePappa ←
16:59:24 <deirdrelee> RESOLVED: May 18th is the deadline for the Last review of the BP document before publishing it. 22th May Group voting the document to be published
RESOLVED: May 18th is the deadline for the Last review of the BP document before publishing it. 22th May Group voting the document to be published ←
16:59:29 <Caroline> ops
ops ←
16:59:34 <Caroline> the dates are wrong!
the dates are wrong! ←
16:59:42 <BernadetteLoscio_> 29 May 2015
Bernadette Farias Loscio: 29 May 2015 ←
16:59:51 <Caroline> Second Draft of DWBP Document 18 May 2015 Freeze the document to be reviewed by the group before publishing it Second Draft of DWBP Document 22 May 2015 Last feedback from the group before publishing it Second Draft of DWBP Document 29 May 2015 Group voting the document
Second Draft of DWBP Document 18 May 2015 Freeze the document to be reviewed by the group before publishing it Second Draft of DWBP Document 29 May 2015 Last feedback from the group before publishing it Second Draft of DWBP Document 29 May 2015 Group voting the document ←
17:00:28 <phila> s/22 May/29 May/
17:00:46 <annette_g> draft proposal: adopt the schedule on the wiki
Annette Greiner: draft proposal: adopt the schedule on the wiki ←
17:00:57 <Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_Schedule ←
17:01:01 <yaso> I quit from scribbing
Yaso Córdova: I quit from scribbing ←
17:01:11 <phila> CHAIR INTERRUPT - It was just a typo in the resolution - now fixed
Phil Archer: CHAIR INTERRUPT - It was just a typo in the resolution - now fixed ←
17:01:20 <phila> Topic: Data Usage Vocabulary
17:01:28 <phila> deirdrelee: We have 3 hours left including lunch/dinner
Deirdre Lee: We have 3 hours left including lunch/dinner [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
17:01:41 <phila> deirdrelee: Goals - address as many issues as we can
Deirdre Lee: Goals - address as many issues as we can [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
17:01:45 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
17:01:49 <phila> deirdrelee: Build the DUV team
Deirdre Lee: Build the DUV team [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
17:01:55 <phila> ... look at the schedule
Phil Archer: ... look at the schedule ←
17:01:55 <yaso> q+
Yaso Córdova: q+ ←
17:01:56 <ericstephan> sounds like a plan!
Eric Stephan: sounds like a plan! ←
17:02:20 <phila> deirdrelee: Yesterday we had 90 min lunch - we can't afford that. 40 mins max today
Deirdre Lee: Yesterday we had 90 min lunch - we can't afford that. 40 mins max today [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
17:02:24 <BernadetteLoscio_> q-
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q- ←
17:02:33 <ericstephan> we are kind of stuck with the accommodations here
Eric Stephan: we are kind of stuck with the accommodations here ←
17:02:47 <yaso> q-
Yaso Córdova: q- ←
17:03:09 <yaso> Agrees with deirdre that we have to stick with the agenda
Yaso Córdova: Agrees with deirdre that we have to stick with the agenda ←
17:04:21 <yaso> I propose that we go for lunch now
Yaso Córdova: I propose that we go for lunch now ←
17:04:33 <yaso> And then go back to the data enrichment topic
Yaso Córdova: And then go back to the data enrichment topic ←
17:04:34 <Caroline> +1 to yaso proposal
+1 to yaso proposal ←
17:04:44 <Caroline> +10 to yaso proposal
+10 to yaso proposal ←
17:04:45 <Ig_Bittencourt> 0
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: 0 ←
17:05:19 <yaso> phila: you are scribing?
Phil Archer: you are scribing? [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
17:05:22 <ericstephan> https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit?usp=sharing
Eric Stephan: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit?usp=sharing ←
17:06:08 <phila> ericstephan: I wanted to go over some of the issues that Dee and I have been talking about
Eric Stephan: I wanted to go over some of the issues that Dee and I have been talking about [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
17:06:12 <phila> scribe: phila
(Scribe set to Phil Archer)
17:06:32 <phila> ericstephan: Some of the notes are not up to date but it shows the kind of thing we've been looking at
Eric Stephan: Some of the notes are not up to date but it shows the kind of thing we've been looking at ←
17:07:29 <phila> ericstephan: First thing I wanted to mention... we need another editor - Sumit
Eric Stephan: First thing I wanted to mention... we need another editor - Sumit ←
17:07:38 <phila> ... Is this OK with the team?
... Is this OK with the team? ←
17:07:52 <deirdrelee> +1 :)
Deirdre Lee: +1 :) ←
17:07:55 <phila> ... Sumit is a good fit for this team as he and I are working on the same schedule
... Sumit is a good fit for this team as he and I are working on the same schedule ←
17:08:01 <Caroline> +1 to Sumit_Purohit as a editor of the data usage vocabulary document
Caroline Burle: +1 to Sumit_Purohit as a editor of the data usage vocabulary document ←
17:08:09 <phila> ... so there's joint motivation, and offers a pair of fresh eyes
... so there's joint motivation, and offers a pair of fresh eyes ←
17:08:33 <phila> ... in order to make him editor, do we need to make a proposal?
... in order to make him editor, do we need to make a proposal? ←
17:08:38 <phila> phila: No - go for it
Phil Archer: No - go for it ←
17:09:02 <phila> ericstephan: So I'd like Berna, Sumit and I to walk through https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit#
Eric Stephan: So I'd like Berna, Sumit and I to walk through https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit# ←
17:09:53 <phila> ericstephan: We've been talking about data, datasets... it hit me that we're talking about ??
Eric Stephan: We've been talking about data, datasets... it hit me that we're talking about dataset usage ←
17:10:35 <phila> ericstephan: So I edited the first two paras to talk about datasets, not data
Eric Stephan: So I edited the first two paras to talk about datasets, not data ←
17:10:44 <phila> s/??/dataset usage//
17:10:46 <phila> s/??/dataset usage/
17:10:50 <annette_g> +1 to Eric
Annette Greiner: +1 to Eric ←
17:11:41 <phila> PROPOSED: That the 'Data Usage Vocaulary' be renamed the 'Dataset Usage Vocabulary'
PROPOSED: That the 'Data Usage Vocaulary' be renamed the 'Dataset Usage Vocabulary' ←
17:11:47 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
17:11:48 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1 to ericstephan about talk about datasets.
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1 to ericstephan about talk about datasets. ←
17:11:51 <phila> +1
+1 ←
17:11:52 <NewtonCalegari> +1
Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown NewtonCalegari: +1 ←
17:11:54 <Sumit_Purohit> +1
Sumit Purohit: +1 ←
17:11:54 <BernadetteLoscio_> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
17:12:01 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
17:12:03 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1 ←
17:12:04 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
17:12:06 <makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
17:12:09 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
17:12:11 <phila> RESOLVED: That the 'Data Usage Vocaulary' be renamed the 'Dataset Usage Vocabulary'
RESOLVED: That the 'Data Usage Vocaulary' be renamed the 'Dataset Usage Vocabulary' ←
17:12:22 <phila> BernadetteLoscio_: If we keep this in mind, it can help the BP doc
Bernadette Farias Loscio: If we keep this in mind, it can help the BP doc ←
17:12:37 <phila> ... it will be more concrete to apply the BPs
... it will be more concrete to apply the BPs ←
17:12:46 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
17:12:52 <makx> zakim, ipcaller is me
Makx Dekkers: zakim, ipcaller is me ←
17:12:52 <Zakim> +makx; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +makx; got it ←
17:13:21 <phila> ericstephan: What occurred to me was that we can talk about datasets in the abstract, as a logical unit
Eric Stephan: What occurred to me was that we can talk about datasets in the abstract, as a logical unit ←
17:13:34 <phila> q+ to make a slightly different proposal on the name
q+ to make a slightly different proposal on the name ←
17:13:43 <annette_g> lots of nodding going on here
Annette Greiner: lots of nodding going on here ←
17:13:49 <phila> ack me
ack me ←
17:13:49 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to make a slightly different proposal on the name
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to make a slightly different proposal on the name ←
17:14:20 <phila> my proposal - the Dataset Usage and Citation Vocabulary
my proposal - the Dataset Usage and Citation Vocabulary ←
17:15:18 <yaso> think it needs more reading on that so we can vote
Yaso Córdova: think it needs more reading on that so we can vote ←
17:15:21 <phila> phila: Talks about sci data publishing
Phil Archer: Talks about sci data publishing ←
17:15:38 <phila> ericstephan: Can we defer that discission until we've been through the model
Eric Stephan: Can we defer that discission until we've been through the model ←
17:15:42 <phila> phila: Of course
Phil Archer: Of course ←
17:15:49 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
17:16:04 <phila> ericstephan: One of the things at the top of the doc - a bunch of observations
Eric Stephan: One of the things at the top of the doc - a bunch of observations ←
17:16:08 <Ig_Bittencourt> I could not understand phil's proposal.
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: I could not understand phil's proposal. ←
17:16:27 <Ig_Bittencourt> But OK to skip this discussion to later on.
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: But OK to skip this discussion to later on. ←
17:16:39 <phila> This is hte doc that has Turtle/JSON-LD switch http://w3c.github.io/data-shapes/data-shapes-primer/
This is hte doc that has Turtle/JSON-LD switch http://w3c.github.io/data-shapes/data-shapes-primer/ ←
17:17:01 <phila> ericstephan: I like that because it gives the impression that it's not all about Sem Web
Eric Stephan: I like that because it gives the impression that it's not all about Sem Web ←
17:17:13 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/153
Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/153 ←
17:17:18 <phila> ericstephan: I'd like to also raise the issue of open and closed data - does the vocab change depending on that?
Eric Stephan: I'd like to also raise the issue of open and closed data - does the vocab change depending on that? ←
17:17:43 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
17:17:49 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
17:17:52 <Ig_Bittencourt> Thanks deirdrelee.
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: Thanks deirdrelee. ←
17:17:54 <phila> q+
q+ ←
17:17:54 <ericstephan> ack deirdrelee
Eric Stephan: ack deirdrelee ←
17:18:07 <Ig_Bittencourt> Thanks Caroline. I am happy to be with you all, even by distance.
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: Thanks Caroline. I am happy to be with you all, even by distance. ←
17:18:14 <Caroline> thank you ericstephan, great explanation!
Caroline Burle: thank you ericstephan, great explanation! ←
17:18:34 <phila> deirdrelee: So you mean closed because it's behind a firewall, or legally encumbered or whatever
Deirdre Lee: So you mean closed because it's behind a firewall, or legally encumbered or whatever ←
17:18:37 <annette_g> * waves at Ig
Annette Greiner: * waves at Ig ←
17:18:56 <phila> ericstephan: Phil crafted a short section about closed data in the UCR
Eric Stephan: Phil crafted a short section about closed data in the UCR ←
17:19:03 <Ig_Bittencourt> :)
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: :) ←
17:19:20 <phila> ... one of the things in the DUV - some things in the BP talk about when data isn't available
... one of the things in the DUV - some things in the BP talk about when data isn't available ←
17:19:22 <deirdrelee> http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#a-word-on-open-and-closed-data
Deirdre Lee: http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#a-word-on-open-and-closed-data ←
17:19:24 <phila> q-
q- ←
17:19:30 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
17:19:33 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
17:19:40 <phila> ack annette_g
ack annette_g ←
17:19:41 <ericstephan> ack annette_g
Eric Stephan: ack annette_g ←
17:19:42 <Caroline> ericstephan: would be the difference between open data regarding the concept of the 5 stars and closed data as data that are not inclued on this concept?
Eric Stephan: would be the difference between open data regarding the concept of the 5 stars and closed data as data that are not inclued on this concept? [ Scribe Assist by Caroline Burle ] ←
17:19:42 <deirdrelee> +1 for including closed data
Deirdre Lee: +1 for including closed data ←
17:20:02 <phila> annette_g: Just to clarify - do you mean datasets that may or may not be open?
Annette Greiner: Just to clarify - do you mean datasets that may or may not be open? ←
17:20:22 <phila> ericstephan: We might have been working on proprietary projects behind the firewall
Eric Stephan: We might have been working on proprietary projects behind the firewall ←
17:20:33 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
17:20:46 <phila> ericstephan: One of the first use cases in the doc was about different jurisdictions having different levels of sharing
Eric Stephan: One of the first use cases in the doc was about different jurisdictions having different levels of sharing ←
17:21:27 <phila> ericstephan: I don't think this is sophisticated, just a couple of classes to formalise it
Eric Stephan: I don't think this is sophisticated, just a couple of classes to formalise it ←
17:21:29 <deirdrelee> q+ to say that closed data should be specifically mentioned in scope
Deirdre Lee: q+ to say that closed data should be specifically mentioned in scope ←
17:21:29 <phila> q?
q? ←
17:21:32 <ericstephan> ack
Eric Stephan: ack ←
17:21:38 <Caroline> +q
Caroline Burle: +q ←
17:21:38 <deirdrelee> ack laufer
Deirdre Lee: ack laufer ←
17:21:39 <phila> ack l
ack l ←
17:21:41 <Caroline> q+
Caroline Burle: q+ ←
17:22:32 <Ig_Bittencourt> According to the concept of closed data in de ucr doc, it is also related to the concept of deep web - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Web
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: According to the concept of closed data in de ucr doc, it is also related to the concept of deep web - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Web ←
17:22:44 <phila> ericstephan: The DUV is more about capturing feedback, providing info to publishers, not so much for machines
Eric Stephan: The DUV is more about capturing feedback, providing info to publishers, not so much for machines ←
17:22:53 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
17:22:57 <deirdrelee> q-
Deirdre Lee: q- ←
17:23:10 <Sumit_Purohit> +q
Sumit Purohit: +q ←
17:23:19 <Caroline> q-
Caroline Burle: q- ←
17:23:48 <ericstephan> ack
Eric Stephan: ack ←
17:23:57 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g
Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g ←
17:24:11 <phila> annette_g: It's important where I work to be able to say that some work you have dine has been cited by other researchers
Annette Greiner: It's important where I work to be able to say that some work you have dine has been cited by other researchers ←
17:24:21 <phila> ... by the DoE or whoever
... by the DoE or whoever ←
17:25:05 <phila> ... you may do things at your end to make it easy to use but without a way to report back you won't know
... you may do things at your end to make it easy to use but without a way to report back you won't know ←
17:25:23 <ericstephan> ack
Eric Stephan: ack ←
17:25:24 <phila> ... as the person publishing the original work, I don't know whether you have used my data or not
... as the person publishing the original work, I don't know whether you have used my data or not ←
17:25:28 <phila> ack Sumit_Purohit
ack Sumit_Purohit ←
17:26:10 <phila> Sumit_Purohit: I want to capture what the use is. We staretd with the UCR, if it's BP for publishing, then how many times it has been used is not part of the publisher's BP
Sumit Purohit: I want to capture what the use is. We staretd with the UCR, if it's BP for publishing, then how many times it has been used is not part of the publisher's BP ←
17:26:44 <phila> Sumit_Purohit: Publishgers don't just vocabs, they provide a feedback mechanism, even if it's just a natural language field
Sumit Purohit: Publishgers don't just vocabs, they provide a feedback mechanism, even if it's just a natural language field ←
17:26:46 <BernadetteLoscio_> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
17:27:14 <ericstephan> ack BernadetteLoscio_
Eric Stephan: ack BernadetteLoscio_ ←
17:27:29 <phila> Sorry, Sumit, I lost that
Sorry, Sumit, I lost that ←
17:27:31 <ericstephan> sorry BernadetteLoscio you are next
Eric Stephan: sorry BernadetteLoscio you are next ←
17:27:42 <phila> annette_g: Publishers wnat to know that fact that their data has been used at all
Annette Greiner: Publishers want to know that fact that their data has been used at all ←
17:28:05 <phila> Sumit_Purohit: If you know the exact usage then you can create a template
Sumit Purohit: If you know the exact usage then you can create a template ←
17:28:12 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/wnat/want
17:28:36 <phila> annette_g: If you're the original publisher... how do they find out that it's been used
Annette Greiner: If you're the original publisher... how do they find out that it's been used ←
17:29:01 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
17:29:03 <phila> ericstephan: I think we're going as far as making it possible
Eric Stephan: I think we're going as far as making it possible ←
17:29:25 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
17:29:37 <phila> Sumit_Purohit: If you share someething on G+ or facebook, you get feedback - you know if it's shared
Sumit Purohit: If you share someething on G+ or facebook, you get feedback - you know if it's shared ←
17:29:55 <phila> Sumit_Purohit: That kind of mechanism would be good
Sumit Purohit: That kind of mechanism would be good ←
17:30:03 <phila> ... it requires that every usage has its own identifier
... it requires that every usage has its own identifier ←
17:30:46 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: The BP in the doc we say that the publisher should provide a feedback mechanism so we'll link to the DUV
Bernadette Farias Loscio: The BP in the doc we say that the publisher should provide a feedback mechanism so we'll link to the DUV ←
17:30:59 <Ig_Bittencourt> I remember a discussion in this way, related to pingbak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pingback) and semantic pingbak (http://aksw.org/Projects/SemanticPingback.html)
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: I remember a discussion in this way, related to pingback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pingback) and semantic pingback (http://aksw.org/Projects/SemanticPingback.html) ←
17:31:18 <ericstephan> ack laufer
Eric Stephan: ack laufer ←
17:31:27 <deirdrelee> q-
Deirdre Lee: q- ←
17:31:30 <ericstephan> phila: ok
Phil Archer: ok [ Scribe Assist by Eric Stephan ] ←
17:31:43 <Ig_Bittencourt> Perhap a BP could be to apply some pingback mecanism.
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: Perhap a BP could be to apply some pingback mecanism. ←
17:31:51 <ericstephan> can we propose something briefly? attempt?
Eric Stephan: can we propose something briefly? attempt? ←
17:31:51 <Ig_Bittencourt> s/perhap/perhaps
17:32:15 <phila> ericstephan: I'd like to resolve the open/closed data issue
Eric Stephan: I'd like to resolve the open/closed data issue ←
17:32:16 <Ig_Bittencourt> s/pingbak/pingback
17:32:17 <ericstephan> PROPOSED: Explore the inclusion of open/closed data indicators in the data usage vocabulary.
PROPOSED: Explore the inclusion of open/closed data indicators in the data usage vocabulary. ←
17:32:23 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
17:32:26 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1 ←
17:32:27 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
17:32:28 <GiselePappa> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
17:32:31 <flavio_> +1
Flavio Yanai: +1 ←
17:32:31 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
17:32:32 <Sumit_Purohit> +1
Sumit Purohit: +1 ←
17:32:33 <NewtonCalegari> +1
Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown NewtonCalegari: +1 ←
17:32:37 <laufer> phil, I am saying that for open data is difficult to have a way to identify the usage
Carlos Laufer: phil, I am saying that for open data is difficult to have a way to identify the usage ←
17:33:00 <annette_g> gee, I wish there were a vocabulary for that
Annette Greiner: gee, I wish there were a vocabulary for that ←
17:33:19 <laufer> when we have ids for users, or controlled data provided by apis we can control this... but with open data is difficult...
Carlos Laufer: when we have ids for users, or controlled data provided by apis we can control this... but with open data is difficult... ←
17:33:30 <phila> PROPOSED: Include open/closed data indicators in the data usage vocabulary.
PROPOSED: Include open/closed data indicators in the data usage vocabulary. ←
17:33:34 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
17:33:34 <Caroline> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
17:33:36 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
17:33:37 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
17:33:38 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
17:33:44 <flavio_> +1
Flavio Yanai: +1 ←
17:33:45 <ericstephan> thank you :-)
Eric Stephan: thank you :-) ←
17:33:45 <GiselePappa> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
17:33:47 <phila> q+
q+ ←
17:33:48 <laufer> +a
Carlos Laufer: +a ←
17:33:49 <Sumit_Purohit> +1
Sumit Purohit: +1 ←
17:33:54 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
17:33:55 <ericstephan> ack phila
Eric Stephan: ack phila ←
17:36:13 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
17:36:29 <Sumit_Purohit> +1 for Phil's point.....we need to look into this
Sumit Purohit: +1 for Phil's point.....we need to look into this ←
17:36:42 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
17:36:47 <phila> phila: I undertsand now - it's whether the feedback that the data has been used is public or not
Phil Archer: I undertsand now - it's whether the feedback that the data has been used is public or not ←
17:36:59 <deirdrelee> q-
Deirdre Lee: q- ←
17:37:07 <phila> phila: That makes sense.
Phil Archer: That makes sense. ←
17:37:20 <phila> PROPOSED: Include open/closed indicators for feedback/usage info in the data usage vocabulary.
PROPOSED: Include open/closed indicators for feedback/usage info in the data usage vocabulary. ←
17:37:32 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
17:37:42 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
17:37:43 <Ig_Bittencourt_> 0
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: 0 ←
17:38:05 <ericstephan> protecting feedback and constraining usage information
Eric Stephan: protecting feedback and constraining usage information ←
17:38:10 <phila> +1
+1 ←
17:38:20 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
17:39:02 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
17:39:36 <Caroline> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
17:39:54 <phila> RESOLVED: Include open/closed indicators for feedback/usage info in the data usage vocabulary.
RESOLVED: Include open/closed indicators for feedback/usage info in the data usage vocabulary. ←
17:39:57 <makx> some feedback serives ask you two questions: 1. do you want your feedback to be visible and 2. do you want your name to be visible or make the feedback anonymously
Makx Dekkers: some feedback serives ask you two questions: 1. do you want your feedback to be visible and 2. do you want your name to be visible or make the feedback anonymously ←
17:40:07 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
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RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
17:40:12 <yaso> 40 minutes
Yaso Córdova: 40 minutes ←
17:40:14 <yaso> ?
Yaso Córdova: ? ←
17:40:21 <yaso> 1h?
Yaso Córdova: 1h? ←
17:40:33 <phila> deirdrelee: We'll break for lunch. We will finsih at 15:00 Austin (21:00 Ipswich, 22:00 Barcelona)
Deirdre Lee: We'll break for lunch. We will finsih at 15:00 Austin (21:00 Ipswich, 22:00 Barcelona) ←
17:40:50 <phila> We'll try and rush lunch
We'll try and rush lunch ←
17:40:57 <phila> deirdrelee: So we'll aim for 20 past the hour
Deirdre Lee: So we'll aim for 20 past the hour ←
17:41:02 <phila> to reconvene
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17:41:06 <Caroline> thank you!
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17:41:07 <Sumit_Purohit> +1 laufer . consumer knowing feedback is open/close also affects the feedback level
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17:41:13 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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18:42:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ipswich
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18:42:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see GiselePappa, flavio, riccardoAlbertoni, trackbot_, phila, laufer, makx, deirdrelee, Zakim, RRSAgent, rhiaro, hadleybeeman, trackbot
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18:43:27 <GiselePappa> Hi all, most of us are still at lunch, we split to get things faster
Gisele Pappa: Hi all, most of us are still at lunch, we split to get things faster ←
18:44:27 <phila> OK... we have a hard finish in 75 mins - but that doesn't stop you carrying on ;-)
OK... we have a hard finish in 75 mins - but that doesn't stop you carrying on ;-) ←
18:48:33 <ericstephan> would it be possible to continue discussing the data usage vocabulary at Friday's call if we run out of time?
Eric Stephan: would it be possible to continue discussing the data usage vocabulary at Friday's call if we run out of time? ←
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18:50:16 <yaso> We're back
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18:52:09 <phila> Topic: Restarting
18:52:34 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
18:52:39 <phila> deirdrelee: Explains that we have just over an hour to go in Ipswich. After that, the folks in Austin can decide if t hey want to continue
Deirdre Lee: Explains that we have just over an hour to go in Ipswich. After that, the folks in Austin can decide if t hey want to continue ←
18:52:43 <phila> ack ericstephan
ack ericstephan ←
18:53:12 <phila> ericstephan: Will it be possible to continue the DUV issues on Friday's meeting?
Eric Stephan: Will it be possible to continue the DUV issues on Friday's meeting? ←
18:53:31 <GiselePappa> deirdrelee: Are we talking about data enrichment? It is really important to our group to have a position from the WG
Deirdre Lee: Are we talking about data enrichment? It is really important to our group to have a position from the WG [ Scribe Assist by Gisele Pappa ] ←
18:53:31 <phila> deirdrelee: Yes, of course. friday meetings will focus on the issues and revise the actions
Deirdre Lee: Yes, of course. friday meetings will focus on the issues and revise the actions ←
18:53:56 <phila> deirdrelee: Friday meetings will be dedicated to each of the docs - i.e. one doc per meeting
Deirdre Lee: Friday meetings will be dedicated to each of the docs - i.e. one doc per meeting ←
18:54:14 <phila> deirdrelee: So this Friday - if we have a meeting - we could focus on DUV
Deirdre Lee: So this Friday - if we have a meeting - we could focus on DUV ←
18:54:27 <phila> ... but while so many folk are together, it's quicker than on the call
... but while so many folk are together, it's quicker than on the call ←
18:55:02 <phila> ... I'll leave it to you Eric. I'll interrupt at 10 to the hour to wrap up the meeting
... I'll leave it to you Eric. I'll interrupt at 10 to the hour to wrap up the meeting ←
18:55:34 <phila> deirdrelee: We had enrichment in the agendsa but we didn't get to it. You can discuss it after 15:00 Texas time or on Friday, but not in the next hour
Deirdre Lee: We had enrichment in the agendsa but we didn't get to it. You can discuss it after 15:00 Texas time or on Friday, but not in the next hour ←
18:55:34 <ericstephan> draft data vocab document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit?usp=sharing
Eric Stephan: draft data vocab document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit?usp=sharing ←
18:55:41 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
18:56:00 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/154
Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/154 ←
18:56:29 <phila> issue-154?
18:56:29 <trackbot_> issue-154 -- Handling data usage references to collection of datasets -- open
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18:56:29 <trackbot> issue-154 -- Handling data usage references to collection of datasets -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-154 -- Handling data usage references to collection of datasets -- open ←
18:56:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/154
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18:56:29 <trackbot_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/154
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18:57:01 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
18:57:06 <phila> ericstephan: I'd like to close this, but I'd like to have subclasses that may be more specialised
Eric Stephan: I'd like to close this, but I'd like to have subclasses that may be more specialised ←
18:57:17 <Sumit_Purohit> +q
Sumit Purohit: +q ←
18:57:26 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: The idea was to have feedback on the dataset or parts of the dataset
Bernadette Farias Loscio: The idea was to have feedback on the dataset or parts of the dataset ←
18:57:40 <phila> ack Sumit_Purohit
ack Sumit_Purohit ←
18:58:07 <ericstephan> PROPOSED: Close http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/154 because a dataset is a collection of data.
PROPOSED: Close http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/154 because a dataset is a collection of data. ←
18:58:15 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
18:58:22 <phila> Sumit_Purohit: In addition to what Eric was saying, DCAT says a dataset is a collection of things. Anyone can say things about a collection
Sumit Purohit: In addition to what Eric was saying, DCAT says a dataset is a collection of things. Anyone can say things about a collection ←
18:58:28 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
18:58:48 <phila> ... on the top classes thing... (sorry, lost it)
... on the top classes thing... (sorry, lost it) ←
18:59:23 <phila> Sumit_Purohit: WE have an issue about the classes and properties - even among the 3 of use we have things to discuss
Sumit Purohit: WE have an issue about the classes and properties - even among the 3 of use we have things to discuss ←
18:59:28 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: See section 5
Bernadette Farias Loscio: See section 5 ←
18:59:48 <Sumit_Purohit> +1 for closing this issue
Sumit Purohit: +1 for closing this issue ←
19:00:04 <phila> PROPOSED: Close Issue-154 because a dataset is a collection of data.
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-154 because a dataset is a collection of data. ←
19:00:21 <Sumit_Purohit> +1
Sumit Purohit: +1 ←
19:01:02 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
19:01:05 <phila> +1
+1 ←
19:01:30 <phila> RESOLVED: Close Issue-154 because a dataset is a collection of data.
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-154 because a dataset is a collection of data. ←
19:01:37 <phila> close issue-154
19:01:37 <trackbot> Closed issue-154.
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19:01:37 <trackbot_> Closed issue-154.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-154. ←
19:01:49 <Caroline> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
19:02:50 <deirdrelee> issue-155?
19:02:50 <trackbot> issue-155 -- Target audience for vocabulary -- open
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19:02:50 <trackbot_> issue-155 -- Target audience for vocabulary -- open
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19:02:50 <trackbot_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/155
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19:02:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/155
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19:03:03 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/155
Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/155 ←
19:03:11 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
19:03:15 <phila> ericstephan: Scrolling down to Intro and Audeince
Eric Stephan: Scrolling down to Intro and Audeince ←
19:03:16 <ericstephan> ack
Eric Stephan: ack ←
19:03:18 <ericstephan> ack annette_g
Eric Stephan: ack annette_g ←
19:03:27 <phila> ericstephan: Talks about the fact that the BP doc is aimed at publishers
Eric Stephan: Talks about the fact that the BP doc is aimed at publishers ←
19:03:42 <phila> annette_g: I think the audience for this doc is users
Annette Greiner: I think the audience for this doc is users ←
19:03:48 <phila> q+
q+ ←
19:04:10 <yaso> phila: we agree that there are no users. Just data consumers :-)
Phil Archer: we agree that there are no users. Just data consumers :-) [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
19:04:32 <phila> annette_g: From my own POV, you put data on the Web for other people to use, but I want to see how people are using it and that requires them to use something like the DUV
Annette Greiner: From my own POV, you put data on the Web for other people to use, but I want to see how people are using it and that requires them to use something like the DUV ←
19:04:32 <yaso> oops it was for annette_g
Yaso Córdova: oops it was for annette_g ←
19:04:36 <Sumit_Purohit> +q
Sumit Purohit: +q ←
19:04:42 <phila> ack me
ack me ←
19:04:48 <ericstephan> ack phila
Eric Stephan: ack phila ←
19:05:51 <phila> phila: It is in the interests of publishers ot make it easy to use the DUV, so they too are part of the audience
Phil Archer: It is in the interests of publishers ot make it easy to use the DUV, so they too are part of the audience ←
19:05:58 <deirdrelee> q+ to say bp doc audience is ' those who publish data on the Web. '
Deirdre Lee: q+ to say bp doc audience is ' those who publish data on the Web. ' ←
19:06:19 <phila> "This vocabulary also recommends and requires data publishers to provide a mechanism of receiving data usage from data consumers in the form of feedback,citation and data correction.
"This vocabulary also recommends and requires data publishers to provide a mechanism of receiving data usage from data consumers in the form of feedback,citation and data correction. ←
19:06:19 <phila> "
" ←
19:06:24 <annette_g> PROPOSED: that the primary audience for the DUV is consumers of data and that data publishers are also in the audience.
PROPOSED: that the primary audience for the DUV is consumers of data and that data publishers are also in the audience. ←
19:06:33 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
19:06:46 <deirdrelee> -1
Deirdre Lee: -1 ←
19:06:49 <phila> ack Sumit_Purohit
ack Sumit_Purohit ←
19:06:59 <ericstephan> ack Sumit_Purohit
Eric Stephan: ack Sumit_Purohit ←
19:07:21 <laufer> -1
Carlos Laufer: -1 ←
19:07:43 <phila> PROPOSED: That the purpose of the DUV is to foster mutually beneficial communication between data publishers and users and therefore the audience for this document is both
PROPOSED: That the purpose of the DUV is to foster mutually beneficial communication between data publishers and users and therefore the audience for this document is both ←
19:08:15 <phila> ericstephan: If user A is doing something with their data and they can provide user info to user B, it's not something that can be published formnally but it is data that can be shared
Eric Stephan: If user A is doing something with their data and they can provide user info to user B, it's not something that can be published formnally but it is data that can be shared ←
19:08:37 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
19:08:38 <phila> (Can't hear Sumit)
(Can't hear Sumit) ←
19:08:41 <laufer> phil, I think other metadata types also foster the communication...
Carlos Laufer: phil, I think other metadata types also foster the communication... ←
19:09:04 <laufer> oh...
Carlos Laufer: oh... ←
19:09:16 <laufer> I am talkim about the proposal
Carlos Laufer: I am talkim about the proposal ←
19:09:21 <laufer> talking
Carlos Laufer: talking ←
19:09:23 <phila> Then change it... :-)
Then change it... :-) ←
19:09:32 <phila> q?
q? ←
19:09:34 <phila> ack deirdrelee
ack deirdrelee ←
19:09:34 <Zakim> deirdrelee, you wanted to say bp doc audience is ' those who publish data on the Web. '
Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee, you wanted to say bp doc audience is ' those who publish data on the Web. ' ←
19:09:42 <Sumit_Purohit> sumit: We should provide examples of "collaborator" in the docuement
Sumit Purohit: We should provide examples of "collaborator" in the docuement [ Scribe Assist by Sumit Purohit ] ←
19:09:56 <deirdrelee> http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#audience
Deirdre Lee: http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#audience ←
19:10:01 <phila> deirdrelee: I think we had a similar discussion about the BP doc
Deirdre Lee: I think we had a similar discussion about the BP doc ←
19:10:38 <phila> ... the audience was mainly publishers. To me, the DUV is mainly by publishers to facilitate users to provide feedback, but the publishers are the key ones
... the audience was mainly publishers. To me, the DUV is mainly by publishers to facilitate users to provide feedback, but the publishers are the key ones ←
19:11:02 <phila> ... it's a metadata spec. It's up to the publishers to provide the interfaces using the vocab
... it's a metadata spec. It's up to the publishers to provide the interfaces using the vocab ←
19:11:17 <phila> ... users don't need to know the spec - publishers do
... users don't need to know the spec - publishers do ←
19:11:40 <phila> ericstephan: I know wjere you're coming from. I agree - it's more of an AND than an OR
Eric Stephan: I know where you're coming from. I agree - it's more of an AND than an OR ←
19:11:59 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
19:12:21 <Caroline> s/wjere/where
19:12:35 <phila> ericstephan: You can have publishers and producers, who may want usage info... more like a collaborator... I'm not disagreeing - it can be for any community
Eric Stephan: You can have publishers and producers, who may want usage info... more like a collaborator... I'm not disagreeing - it can be for any community ←
19:12:38 <phila> deirdrelee: OK
Deirdre Lee: OK ←
19:12:44 <phila> q?
q? ←
19:12:47 <phila> ack a
ack a ←
19:12:47 <BernadetteLoscio> q-
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q- ←
19:13:28 <phila> annette_g: The question about collaborators to report their uses or make data available... if you're actually collaborating, youj probably already know each other
Annette Greiner: The question about collaborators to report their uses or make data available... if you're actually collaborating, you probably already know each other ←
19:13:40 <phila> ... I;m not sure that it's a separate use case
... I;m not sure that it's a separate use case ←
19:14:01 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/youj/you
19:14:01 <phila> ... I think I'd agree with Deirdre that hte publishers have to take the first actions to make this work
... I think I'd agree with Deirdre that hte publishers have to take the first actions to make this work ←
19:14:17 <phila> annette_g: My feeling is that it's both
Annette Greiner: My feeling is that it's both ←
19:14:52 <phila> annette_g: And to Eric, I think you become the publisher - I don't mean random House, I mean people hsoting the data
Annette Greiner: And to Eric, I think you become the publisher - I don't mean random House, I mean people hosting the data ←
19:14:56 <phila> q?
q? ←
19:15:11 <Caroline> s/hsoting/hosting
19:16:07 <yaso> find terms that need to be in the glossary
Yaso Córdova: find terms that need to be in the glossary ←
19:16:12 <ericstephan> ack BernadetteLoscio
Eric Stephan: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
19:16:13 <phila> ericstephan: I think part of our job will be to define terms that need to be in the glossasry
Eric Stephan: I think part of our job will be to define terms that need to be in the glossasry ←
19:17:09 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: the glossary should be a collaborative work
Bernadette Farias Loscio: the glossary should be a collaborative work [ Scribe Assist by Caroline Burle ] ←
19:17:32 <Caroline> ... as the audience we keep both
Caroline Burle: ... as the audience we keep both ←
19:17:50 <annette_g> s/hosting/posting/
19:18:24 <Caroline> deirdrelee: does ericstephan think the editors have enough answers?
Deirdre Lee: does ericstephan think the editors have enough answers? [ Scribe Assist by Caroline Burle ] ←
19:18:31 <Caroline> ericstephan: yes, we can close it
Eric Stephan: yes, we can close it [ Scribe Assist by Caroline Burle ] ←
19:18:34 <phila> issue-155?
19:18:34 <trackbot> issue-155 -- Target audience for vocabulary -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-155 -- Target audience for vocabulary -- open ←
19:18:34 <trackbot_> issue-155 -- Target audience for vocabulary -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-155 -- Target audience for vocabulary -- open ←
19:18:34 <trackbot_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/155
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/155 ←
19:18:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/155
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/155 ←
19:18:47 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/156
Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/156 ←
19:19:05 <phila> PROPOSED: Close Issue-155 as the audince is both publishers and consumers
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-155 as the audience is both publishers and consumers ←
19:19:16 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
19:19:16 <phila> +1
+1 ←
19:19:18 <Caroline> s/audince/audience
19:19:19 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
19:19:20 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
19:19:21 <Caroline> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
19:19:24 <GiselePappa> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
19:19:24 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
19:19:26 <ericstephan> thank you phila
Eric Stephan: thank you phila ←
19:19:33 <phila> RESOLVED: Close Issue-155 as the audience is both publishers and consumers
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-155 as the audience is both publishers and consumers ←
19:19:36 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/156
Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/156 ←
19:19:38 <phila> close issue-155
19:19:38 <trackbot> Closed issue-155.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-155. ←
19:19:38 <trackbot_> Closed issue-155.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-155. ←
19:19:41 <deirdrelee> issue-156?
19:19:41 <trackbot_> issue-156 -- Protocol for referring to related efforts -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-156 -- Protocol for referring to related efforts -- open ←
19:19:41 <trackbot> issue-156 -- Protocol for referring to related efforts -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-156 -- Protocol for referring to related efforts -- open ←
19:19:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/156
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/156 ←
19:19:41 <trackbot_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/156
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/156 ←
19:19:55 <phila> ericstephan: How do we refer to related efforts
Eric Stephan: How do we refer to related efforts ←
19:20:22 <phila> ericstephan: One of the concers that I have is how to refer to other usage models...
Eric Stephan: One of the concers that I have is how to refer to other usage models... ←
19:20:45 <phila> ... if we reference these things in our recommendations, will we have problems with IPR etc.
... if we reference these things in our recommendations, will we have problems with IPR etc. ←
19:20:46 <phila> q+
q+ ←
19:20:49 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
19:20:53 <phila> ack me
ack me ←
19:20:54 <ericstephan> ack phila
Eric Stephan: ack phila ←
19:22:52 <ericstephan> ack deirdrelee
Eric Stephan: ack deirdrelee ←
19:23:11 <phila> phila: This is a Note, so rulea ren't so tight, but you shouldn't refer to proprietary software or tech
Phil Archer: This is a Note, so rules aren't so tight, but you shouldn't refer to proprietary software or tech ←
19:23:28 <phila> phila: It depends on the circukmstanes
Phil Archer: It depends on the circumstances ←
19:23:41 <Caroline> s/rulea/rules
19:23:43 <phila> deirdrelee: In the DCAT-AP work, there's a lot of talk about two datasets that are related
Deirdre Lee: In the DCAT-AP work, there's a lot of talk about two datasets that are related ←
19:23:49 <Caroline> s/ren't/aren't
19:23:54 <yaso> s/circukmstanes/circumstances
19:24:05 <phila> ... might be worth loking at that and how they relate different datasets
... might be worth looking at that and how they relate different datasets ←
19:24:32 <phila> q?
q? ←
19:25:03 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/loking/looking
19:25:24 <phila> ericstephan: I think we can stay away from proprietary refs easily enough
Eric Stephan: I think we can stay away from proprietary refs easily enough ←
19:25:57 <phila> deirdrelee: We can go back to the scope. Formats out, standards in, as long as we don't close it
Deirdre Lee: We can go back to the scope. Formats out, standards in, as long as we don't close it ←
19:26:48 <ericstephan> CLOSE ISSUE 156
Eric Stephan: CLOSE ISSUE-156 ←
19:27:12 <phila> Close issue-156
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19:27:12 <ericstephan> issue-156 close
Eric Stephan: ISSUE-156 close ←
19:27:35 <deirdrelee> issue-153?
19:27:35 <trackbot> issue-153 -- Should open/closed data be addressed in the Data Usage Vocabulary? -- open
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19:27:35 <trackbot_> issue-153 -- Should open/closed data be addressed in the Data Usage Vocabulary? -- open
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19:27:35 <trackbot_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/153
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19:27:50 <deirdrelee> close issue-153
Deirdre Lee: close ISSUE-153 ←
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19:28:22 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/157
Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/157 ←
19:28:35 <deirdrelee> issue-157?
19:28:35 <trackbot> issue-157 -- Considering other kinds of data usage -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-157 -- Considering other kinds of data usage -- open ←
19:28:35 <trackbot_> issue-157 -- Considering other kinds of data usage -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-157 -- Considering other kinds of data usage -- open ←
19:28:35 <trackbot_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/157
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19:28:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/157
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19:28:57 <phila> Sumit_Purohit: We have tried to identify the relevant use cases...
Sumit Purohit: We have tried to identify the relevant use cases... ←
19:29:04 <phila> ... we have data being citable
... we have data being citable ←
19:29:18 <phila> ... usage of data, ability to get feedback
... usage of data, ability to get feedback ←
19:29:31 <phila> ... how it's used, was it easy to use, difficult to use etc.
... how it's used, was it easy to use, difficult to use etc. ←
19:29:40 <phila> ... we tried to identify all our existing use cases
... we tried to identify all our existing use cases ←
19:29:55 <phila> ... We think we should base it on our existing use cases
... We think we should base it on our existing use cases ←
19:30:06 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
19:30:14 <phila> deirdrelee: What's the question Sumit_Purohit?
Deirdre Lee: What's the question Sumit_Purohit? ←
19:30:22 <phila> ... do you want new use cases?
... do you want new use cases? ←
19:30:44 <deirdrelee> https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit
Deirdre Lee: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit ←
19:30:47 <ericstephan> ack laufer
Eric Stephan: ack laufer ←
19:32:15 <phila> laufer: Can you have a foaf:Agent that is not connected to a usage?
Carlos Laufer: Can you have a foaf:Agent that is not connected to a usage? ←
19:32:46 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: An application is a kind of usage
Bernadette Farias Loscio: An application is a kind of usage ←
19:33:04 <phila> ... We looked at how we can describe an application that uses data
... We looked at how we can describe an application that uses data ←
19:33:15 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: We can have other types of usage that are not here
Bernadette Farias Loscio: We can have other types of usage that are not here ←
19:33:18 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
19:33:24 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: You don't always have feedback
Bernadette Farias Loscio: You don't always have feedback ←
19:33:53 <ericstephan> q-
Eric Stephan: q- ←
19:34:08 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
19:34:46 <phila> (Berna and Laufer discussed further)
(Berna and Laufer discussed further) ←
19:34:50 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan
Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan ←
19:35:10 <phila> ericstephan: we don't have cardinalities yet
Eric Stephan: we don't have cardinalities yet ←
19:35:31 <phila> Sumit_Purohit: An issue we have seen that we want to discuss is ...
Sumit Purohit: An issue we have seen that we want to discuss is ... ←
19:35:45 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
19:35:51 <phila> Sorry Sumit_Purohit I missed what it was you wanted to discuss
Sorry Sumit_Purohit I missed what it was you wanted to discuss ←
19:35:59 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan
Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan ←
19:36:13 <phila> ericstephan: We have the use cases that morivate the creation of the DUV already
Eric Stephan: We have the use cases that motivate the creation of the DUV already ←
19:36:22 <deirdrelee> s/morivate/motivate
19:36:27 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/morivate/motivate
19:36:59 <Sumit_Purohit> q+
Sumit Purohit: q+ ←
19:37:07 <phila> deirdrelee: We couldn't catch everything said
Deirdre Lee: We couldn't catch everything said ←
19:37:14 <phila> Sumit_Purohit: Let's look at 4.?.1
Sumit Purohit: Let's look at 4.3.1 ←
19:37:34 <phila> s/?/3
19:37:47 <deirdrelee> 4.3.1 in https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit
Deirdre Lee: 4.3.1 in https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit ←
19:37:53 <phila> Sumit_Purohit: We are proposing to include citation as part of the usage
Sumit Purohit: We are proposing to include citation as part of the usage ←
19:37:56 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
19:37:58 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
19:38:04 <ericstephan> ack Sumit_Purohit
Eric Stephan: ack Sumit_Purohit ←
19:38:06 <phila> phila: For me it definitely is - it was a motivation for forming the WG!
Phil Archer: For me it definitely is - it was a motivation for forming the WG! ←
19:38:09 <BernadetteLoscio> q-
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q- ←
19:38:14 <BernadetteLoscio> q-
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q- ←
19:38:18 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan
Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan ←
19:38:31 <deirdrelee> trackbot,
Deirdre Lee: trackbot, ←
19:38:33 <phila> ericstephan: We're looking at citation. Now, citation can be used in so many ways
Eric Stephan: We're looking at citation. Now, citation can be used in so many ways ←
19:38:45 <phila> ericstephan: Can we see citation as a form of feedback?
Eric Stephan: Can we see citation as a form of feedback? ←
19:39:03 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
19:39:14 <ericstephan> ack BernadetteLoscio
Eric Stephan: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
19:39:28 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
19:39:29 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: If we're going to include citation - what should we provide?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: If we're going to include citation - what should we provide? ←
19:39:31 <phila> q+
q+ ←
19:39:32 <yaso> q+
Yaso Córdova: q+ ←
19:39:54 <Sumit_Purohit> +1 BernadetteLoscio
Sumit Purohit: +1 BernadetteLoscio ←
19:39:56 <ericstephan> ack annette_g
Eric Stephan: ack annette_g ←
19:40:33 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
19:40:36 <ericstephan> ack phila
Eric Stephan: ack phila ←
19:40:37 <yaso> q-
Yaso Córdova: q- ←
19:40:43 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
19:40:55 <phila> -> http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/joejimbo/HCLSDatasetDescriptions/blob/master/Overview.html
-> http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/joejimbo/HCLSDatasetDescriptions/blob/master/Overview.html ←
19:41:34 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
19:42:11 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio:
Bernadette Farias Loscio: [ Scribe Assist by Eric Stephan ] ←
19:42:14 <ericstephan> ack BernadetteLoscio
Eric Stephan: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
19:42:17 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio
Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
19:42:26 <phila> phila: Banged on about dataCite, PDFs, DOIs etc.
Phil Archer: Banged on about dataCite, PDFs, DOIs etc. ←
19:42:37 <ericstephan> deirdrelee: I saw your note
Deirdre Lee: I saw your note [ Scribe Assist by Eric Stephan ] ←
19:42:43 <phila> phila: There is a lot on this already. We know how to do it, it's how we include it in the DUV
Phil Archer: There is a lot on this already. We know how to do it, it's how we include it in the DUV ←
19:43:15 <annette_g> q-
Annette Greiner: q- ←
19:43:16 <phila> ericstephan: We're not going to complete everything today.
Eric Stephan: We're not going to complete everything today. ←
19:43:23 <phila> ... do we have time tio talk about scheduling
... do we have time tio talk about scheduling ←
19:43:29 <phila> phila: is keen to talk schedules
Phil Archer: is keen to talk schedules ←
19:43:39 <laufer> q-
Carlos Laufer: q- ←
19:43:42 <phila> TopicL DUV Schedule
19:43:48 <phila> Topic: DUV Schedule
19:43:57 <phila> s/TopicL DUV Schedule//
19:44:28 <phila> ericstephan: You've got the UML diagram, then the classes
Eric Stephan: You've got the UML diagram, then the classes ←
19:44:28 <deirdrelee> uml diagram in section 6 https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit
Deirdre Lee: uml diagram in section 6 https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit ←
19:45:12 <deirdrelee> Data Usage schedule: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_usage_schedule
Deirdre Lee: Data Usage schedule: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_usage_schedule ←
19:45:18 <phila> ericstephan: We are going to need to reuse the DQV. If it's not there, we'll have to roll our own
Eric Stephan: We are going to need to reuse the DQV. If it's not there, we'll have to roll our own ←
19:45:47 <ericstephan> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_usage_schedule
Eric Stephan: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_usage_schedule ←
19:46:10 <phila> ericstephan: You'll see that the first darft of the vocab will be available tomorrow
Eric Stephan: You'll see that the first darft of the vocab will be available tomorrow ←
19:46:19 <phila> deirdrelee: It's there - just in a Google doc
Deirdre Lee: It's there - just in a Google doc ←
19:46:38 <phila> ericstephan: By may 18, we'll have our first draft done and ready for WG review
Eric Stephan: By may 18, we'll have our first draft done and ready for WG review ←
19:47:12 <phila> ... so there's a lot to do
... so there's a lot to do ←
19:47:21 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
19:47:30 <ericstephan> ack deirdrelee
Eric Stephan: ack deirdrelee ←
19:47:30 <phila> Ig said yesterday that he's interested in helping
Ig said yesterday that he's interested in helping ←
19:48:18 <Ig_Bittencourt> Yes. I can help if you think it would be interesting.
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: Yes. I can help if you think it would be interesting. ←
19:48:21 <phila> phila: is willing, it's a question of availability. I am certainbly inerested in this work
Phil Archer: is willing, it's a question of availability. I am certainbly interested in this work ←
19:48:43 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/inerested/interested
19:48:49 <phila> I can try and take care of the citation part
I can try and take care of the citation part ←
19:49:04 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Over to you on that then Phil
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Over to you on that then Phil ←
19:49:18 <phila> 30 seconds
30 seconds ←
19:49:21 <deirdrelee> q+ to wrap up...
Deirdre Lee: q+ to wrap up... ←
19:49:42 <phila> ack deirdrelee
ack deirdrelee ←
19:49:42 <Zakim> deirdrelee, you wanted to wrap up...
Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee, you wanted to wrap up... ←
19:49:43 <ericstephan> ack deirdrelee
Eric Stephan: ack deirdrelee ←
19:49:59 <yaso> deirdre dont forget the data enrichnment :-D
Yaso Córdova: deirdre dont forget the data enrichnment :-D ←
19:50:14 <yaso> I can make it, phila
Yaso Córdova: I can make it, phila ←
19:50:18 <yaso> scribe: yaso
(Scribe set to Yaso Córdova)
19:50:21 <ericstephan> :-) thank you for keeping us to time deirdrelee you've been a great task master :-)
Eric Stephan: :-) thank you for keeping us to time deirdrelee you've been a great task master :-) ←
19:51:02 <phila> Austin is empowered to carry on talking after 15:00 local, including taking resolutions.
Phil Archer: Austin is empowered to carry on talking after 15:00 local, including taking resolutions. ←
19:51:04 <yaso> deirdre, do you want me to chair this last section?
deirdre, do you want me to chair this last section? ←
19:51:24 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?
Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is here? ←
19:51:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ipswich, [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ipswich, [IPcaller] ←
19:51:26 <Zakim> Ipswich has deirdrelee, riccardoAlbertoni, phila
Zakim IRC Bot: Ipswich has deirdrelee, riccardoAlbertoni, phila ←
19:51:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see trackbot, Ig_Bittencourt, Caroline, BernadetteLoscio, yaso, NewtonCalegari, Sumit_Purohit, ericstephan, annette_g, GiselePappa, flavio, riccardoAlbertoni, phila,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see trackbot, Ig_Bittencourt, Caroline, BernadetteLoscio, yaso, NewtonCalegari, Sumit_Purohit, ericstephan, annette_g, GiselePappa, flavio, riccardoAlbertoni, phila, ←
19:51:26 <Zakim> ... laufer, makx, deirdrelee, Zakim, RRSAgent, rhiaro, hadleybeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: ... laufer, makx, deirdrelee, Zakim, RRSAgent, rhiaro, hadleybeeman ←
19:52:00 <GiselePappa> q+
Gisele Pappa: q+ ←
19:52:11 <deirdrelee> ack GiselePappa
Deirdre Lee: ack GiselePappa ←
19:52:44 <deirdrelee> issue-151?
19:52:44 <trackbot> issue-151 -- Connections of the data enrichment work of inweb (ufmg) to the deliverables of the wg -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-151 -- Connections of the data enrichment work of inweb (ufmg) to the deliverables of the wg -- open ←
19:52:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/151
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/151 ←
19:52:55 <phila> Topic: Data Enrichment
19:52:57 <yaso> GiselePappa: just to make clear: our group entered the WG after the work began
Gisele Pappa: just to make clear: our group entered the WG after the work began ←
19:53:09 <GiselePappa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jnD5eiq8Xk5ftUMWWfvBb6QXI0N4igx0bbidGkzF2L0/edit?usp=sharing
Gisele Pappa: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jnD5eiq8Xk5ftUMWWfvBb6QXI0N4igx0bbidGkzF2L0/edit?usp=sharing ←
19:53:21 <yaso> ... we did not wanted to disturb the amazing work that you are making
... we did not wanted to disturb the amazing work that you are making ←
19:53:54 <yaso> ... we concluded that it was not a good idea to propose something on data enrichment
... we concluded that it was not a good idea to propose something on data enrichment ←
19:54:11 <yaso> ... we discussed this a little with some people of the WG
... we discussed this a little with some people of the WG ←
19:54:26 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
19:54:43 <yaso> ... we would like to have BP in the current document that simply says that "when you publish data you should enrich data"
... we would like to have BP in the current document that simply says that "when you publish data you should enrich data" ←
19:55:15 <phila> q+ to distinguish between enabling enrichment and actually enriching. Cf. data preservation
Phil Archer: q+ to distinguish between enabling enrichment and actually enriching. Cf. data preservation ←
19:55:17 <yaso> ... but link to some advice on data enrichment that would be anote
... but link to some advice on data enrichment that would be a note ←
19:55:26 <yaso> s/anote/ a note
19:55:50 <yaso> GiselePappa: is difficult to say do this or do that because it is something that is always changing
Gisele Pappa: is difficult to say do this or do that because it is something that is always changing ←
19:55:56 <yaso> q?
q? ←
19:56:03 <phila> ack d
Phil Archer: ack d ←
19:56:04 <yaso> ack deirdre
ack deirdre ←
19:56:43 <yaso> deirdre: if we look at the content we see that there is things that we can bring to deliverables of the wg
Deirdre Lee: if we look at the content we see that there are things that we can bring to deliverables of the wg ←
19:56:57 <Caroline> s/is/are
19:57:15 <yaso> deirdre: maybe the focus is that data can be enriched
Deirdre Lee: maybe the focus is that data can be enriched ←
19:57:22 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
19:57:32 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
19:57:32 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to distinguish between enabling enrichment and actually enriching. Cf. data preservation
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to distinguish between enabling enrichment and actually enriching. Cf. data preservation ←
19:57:57 <yaso> phila: thisis interesting and I think that the details that we are discussing
Phil Archer: thisis interesting and I think that the details that we are discussing ←
19:57:59 <BernadetteLoscio> R-DataEnrichment: It should be possible to perform some data enrichment tasks in order to aggregate value to data, therefore providing more value for user applications and services.
Scribe problem: the name 'R-DataEnrichment' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown R-DataEnrichment: It should be possible to perform some data enrichment tasks in order to aggregate value to data, therefore providing more value for user applications and services. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Farias Loscio ] ←
19:58:17 <yaso> ... are interesting and I think that there are aspects of this that are in scope
... are interesting and I think that there are aspects of this that are in scope ←
19:58:32 <yaso> ... so I think that it would be important to learn from you
... so I think that it would be important to learn from you ←
19:58:44 <GiselePappa> q+
Gisele Pappa: q+ ←
19:59:01 <deirdrelee> phila: similar to data archiving is out of scope, but persistent identifiers is in scope, detailed data enrichment is out of scope, but elements of data enrichment could be in scope
Phil Archer: similar to data archiving is out of scope, but persistent identifiers is in scope, detailed data enrichment is out of scope, but elements of data enrichment could be in scope [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
19:59:18 <deirdrelee> ...this could be an entirely new working gropu
Deirdre Lee: ...this could be an entirely new working group ←
19:59:23 <yaso> ... data enrichment seems to be a new wg
... data enrichment seems to be a new wg ←
19:59:32 <Caroline> s/gropu/group
19:59:39 <ericstephan> https://www.arm.gov/publications/tech_reports/doe-sc-arm-tr-093.pdf example of this in the climate research community
Eric Stephan: https://www.arm.gov/publications/tech_reports/doe-sc-arm-tr-093.pdf example of this in the climate research community ←
19:59:51 <deirdrelee> ...for this group its about enabling data enrichment,and making people aware of data enrichment
Deirdre Lee: ...for this group its about enabling data enrichment,and making people aware of data enrichment ←
19:59:54 <yaso> ... and you work would be very interesting and inside the scope
... and you work would be very interesting and inside the scope ←
20:00:03 <deirdrelee> ... this is very important for this group
Deirdre Lee: ... this is very important for this group ←
20:00:08 <yaso> annette_g: data enrichment is important to data that is not big data
Annette Greiner: data enrichment is important to data that is not big data ←
20:00:29 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
20:00:30 <phila> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
20:00:33 <yaso> annette_g: most of the description here is about a type of analysys that is not in our scope
Annette Greiner: most of the description here is about a type of analysys that is not in our scope ←
20:00:34 <phila> ack annette_g
Phil Archer: ack annette_g ←
20:00:36 <phila> ack g
Phil Archer: ack g ←
20:01:12 <yaso> GiselePappa: first, regarding what phila said, I think we can be great providers of metadata, you could use metadata or provide metadata
Gisele Pappa: first, regarding what phila said, I think we can be great providers of metadata, you could use metadata or provide metadata ←
20:01:34 <yaso> ... our document has a bias on machine learning of course, because it is what we do
... our document has a bias on machine learning of course, because it is what we do ←
20:01:48 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
20:01:58 <yaso> ... but when we saw that data on the web we thought "we fit in that" because all we do is Data on The Web
... but when we saw that data on the web we thought "we fit in that" because all we do is Data on The Web ←
20:02:18 <yaso> ... I feel that we fit in the group, otherwise its better to go for another group
... I feel that we fit in the group, otherwise its better to go for another group ←
20:02:22 <ericstephan> the reference I provided is a data enrichment process provided for the last 30 years
Eric Stephan: the reference I provided is a data enrichment process provided for the last 30 years ←
20:02:38 <yaso> ... because sometimes I feel like if we do not provide some useful knowledge to the group
... because sometimes I feel like if we do not provide some useful knowledge to the group ←
20:02:46 <yaso> q?
q? ←
20:03:25 <yaso> deirdre data enrichment is important, we just have to find the best way to incorporate it in our document
deirdre data enrichment is important, we just have to find the best way to incorporate it in our document ←
20:03:46 <phila> ack annette_g
Phil Archer: ack annette_g ←
20:04:13 <Caroline> q+
Caroline Burle: q+ ←
20:04:29 <yaso> annette_g: I am a little bit concerned about the parts of the document that do not fit to the wg
Annette Greiner: I am a little bit concerned about the parts of the document that do not fit to the wg ←
20:04:34 <yaso> +1 to annette_g
+1 to annette_g ←
20:04:34 <GiselePappa> q?
Gisele Pappa: q? ←
20:04:53 <yaso> GiselePappa: I think actually is not that doesn't work for us
Gisele Pappa: I think actually is not that doesn't work for us ←
20:05:01 <yaso> ... so I think we can collaborate on the document
... so I think we can collaborate on the document ←
20:05:13 <yaso> ... we are trying to do things together
... we are trying to do things together ←
20:05:20 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
20:05:26 <yaso> ... we want to know if the group is interested in doing things like this
... we want to know if the group is interested in doing things like this ←
20:05:29 <deirdrelee> zakim, close queue
Deirdre Lee: zakim, close queue ←
20:05:29 <Zakim> ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is closed
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is closed ←
20:05:38 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
20:05:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
20:05:44 <yaso> ... we propose to have some best practices on data erichment
... we propose to have some best practices on data enrichment ←
20:05:54 <yaso> s/erichment/enrichment
20:06:22 <yaso> Caroline: I was going to say something similar to what GiselePappa said
Caroline Burle: I was going to say something similar to what GiselePappa said ←
20:06:38 <yaso> ... we can think on some specific topics about data enrichment
... we can think on some specific topics about data enrichment ←
20:06:49 <yaso> ... maybe we can write this as a bp an see how this goes
... maybe we can write this as a bp an see how this goes ←
20:06:59 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
20:06:59 <yaso> ... it would be easier to the group
... it would be easier to the group ←
20:07:02 <phila> zakim, list participants
Phil Archer: zakim, list participants ←
20:07:02 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been [IPcaller], deirdrelee, riccardoAlbertoni, phila
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been [IPcaller], deirdrelee, riccardoAlbertoni, phila ←
20:07:32 <yaso> deirdre maybe on that point GiselePappa if you can talk to phil it would be a good idea
deirdre maybe on that point GiselePappa if you can talk to phil it would be a good idea ←
20:07:42 <Caroline> ok
Caroline Burle: ok ←
20:07:45 <yaso> ... and that closes our topic for today
... and that closes our topic for today ←
20:07:48 <phila> present+ Caroline, Yaso, Eric, Gisele, Ig, Bernadette, Flavio, Laufer, Newton, Sumit
Phil Archer: present+ Caroline, Yaso, Eric, Gisele, Ig, Bernadette, Flavio, Laufer, Newton, Sumit ←
20:07:57 <yaso> and thank you all :-D
and thank you all :-D ←
20:08:08 <phila> deirdrelee: Closes the transAtlantic meeting. Austin may continue
Deirdre Lee: Closes the transAtlantic meeting. Austin may continue [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
20:08:36 <phila> deirdrelee: Let's have a meeting on Friday and focus on DUV
Deirdre Lee: Let's have a meeting on Friday and focus on DUV [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
20:08:49 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: This Friday meeting on DUV
PROPOSED: This Friday meeting on DUV ←
20:08:52 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
20:08:54 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
20:08:57 <Caroline> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
20:08:58 <phila> =1
Phil Archer: =1 ←
20:08:58 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
20:09:00 <GiselePappa> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
20:09:02 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
20:09:02 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
20:09:09 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1 ←
20:09:11 <ericstephan> thank you!
Eric Stephan: thank you! ←
20:09:18 <phila> RESOLVED: This Friday meeting on DUV
RESOLVED: This Friday meeting on DUV ←
20:09:27 <phila> rrsagent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
20:09:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
20:09:53 <phila> Please continue scribing!
Phil Archer: Please continue scribing! ←
20:09:56 <laufer> bye deirdre!!! tnx
Carlos Laufer: bye deirdre!!! tnx ←
20:10:06 <yaso> deirdre yes, we are going to continue
deirdre yes, we are going to continue ←
20:10:07 <riccardoAlbertoni> thanks all for the interesting discussions... bye
Riccardo Albertoni: thanks all for the interesting discussions... bye ←
20:10:09 <GiselePappa> nice meeting you. bye
Gisele Pappa: nice meeting you. bye ←
20:10:22 <BernadetteLoscio> thanks!!!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: thanks!!! ←
20:10:29 <Ig_Bittencourt> bye deirdrelee
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: bye deirdrelee ←
20:10:31 <phila> Signing off from Ipswich
Phil Archer: Signing off from Ipswich ←
20:10:38 <annette_g> bye! thanks!
Annette Greiner: bye! thanks! ←
20:10:40 <yaso> Bye!!!
Bye!!! ←
20:10:43 <Zakim> -Ipswich
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20:10:49 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←
20:10:50 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()8:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: DATA_DWBP()8:00AM has ended ←
20:10:50 <Zakim> Attendees were [IPcaller], deirdrelee, riccardoAlbertoni, phila
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were [IPcaller], deirdrelee, riccardoAlbertoni, phila ←
20:11:12 <Ig_Bittencourt> I will try to continue (at least seeing) if the internet let me.
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: I will try to continue (at least seeing) if the internet let me. ←
20:11:22 <yaso> 5 min break
5 min break ←
20:11:25 <yaso> ====
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20:13:09 <Ig_Bittencourt> I think I do not have the access to add comments to the DUV doc in the Google docs.
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: I think I do not have the access to add comments to the DUV doc in the Google docs. ←
20:25:31 <Ig_Bittencourt> Zzzzzzz
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Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: Zzzzzzz ←
20:27:12 <ericstephan> we are awake again
Eric Stephan: we are awake again ←
20:27:44 <Ig_Bittencourt> :)
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: :) ←
20:28:09 <ericstephan> escriba: ericstephan
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20:28:35 <ericstephan> scribe: ericstephan
(Scribe set to Eric Stephan)
20:28:37 <ericstephan> q+
q+ ←
20:31:25 <yaso> Chair: yaso
20:31:41 <BernadetteLoscio> Ig?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Ig? ←
20:31:42 <yaso> Zakim, open the queue
Yaso Córdova: Zakim, open the queue ←
20:31:42 <Zakim> ok, yaso, the speaker queue is open
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, yaso, the speaker queue is open ←
20:31:43 <ericstephan> escriba: ericstephan
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Unknown escriba: ericstephan ←
20:31:50 <ericstephan> scribe: ericstephan
20:32:25 <Ig_Bittencourt> I am here. But I did not see any discussion yet. Not sure if it is an internet problem.
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: I am here. But I did not see any discussion yet. Not sure if it is an internet problem. ←
20:32:43 <ericstephan> discussion from GiselePappa about role of data enrichment as a best practice and a potential working group proposal at some point
discussion from GiselePappa about role of data enrichment as a best practice and a potential working group proposal at some point ←
20:33:17 <ericstephan> hi Ig_Bittencourt should we call in again?
hi Ig_Bittencourt should we call in again? ←
20:33:57 <ericstephan> yaso: its important to publish
Yaso Córdova: its important to publish ←
20:34:24 <ericstephan> yaso: folks are doing this stuff, data on the web has something to do with this.
Yaso Córdova: folks are doing this stuff, data on the web has something to do with this. ←
20:34:46 <Ig_Bittencourt> Hi ericstephan, the problem seems to be my net.
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: Hi ericstephan, the problem seems to be my net. ←
20:34:53 <ericstephan> GiselePappa: if you put one best practice saying data should be enriched you create all sorts of options.
Gisele Pappa: if you put one best practice saying data should be enriched you create all sorts of options. ←
20:35:12 <laufer> we are connecting audio again, ig
Carlos Laufer: we are connecting audio again, ig ←
20:35:20 <ericstephan> GiselePappa: I can give a proposed best practice to see what you think?
Gisele Pappa: I can give a proposed best practice to see what you think? ←
20:36:22 <yaso> Ig, are you on hangout or skype?
Yaso Córdova: Ig, are you on hangout or skype? ←
20:36:58 <ericstephan> sumit: some of the best practices are about data enrichment. We could apply data enrichment to this.
Sumit Purohit: some of the best practices are about data enrichment. We could apply data enrichment to this. ←
20:37:29 <ericstephan> GiselePappa: I am still about a broader concept.
Gisele Pappa: I am still about a broader concept. ←
20:37:43 <ericstephan> yaso: let's continue talking to phila about this.
Yaso Córdova: let's continue talking to phila about this. ←
20:38:12 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio: we are going to create a section for the data usage.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we are going to create a section for the data usage. ←
20:38:12 <yaso> action: GiselePappa to create a section on the BP document about data enrichment
ACTION: GiselePappa to create a section on the BP document about data enrichment ←
20:38:13 <trackbot> Error finding 'GiselePappa'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'GiselePappa'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>. ←
20:38:27 <ericstephan> The document should be in the same place as a note for the w3c
The document should be in the same place as a note for the w3c ←
20:38:38 <ericstephan> q+
q+ ←
20:38:58 <ericstephan> q-
q- ←
20:39:22 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
20:39:37 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
20:39:52 <NewtonCalegari> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users
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Unknown NewtonCalegari: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users ←
20:40:34 <Caroline> yaso: we will work until 4:30 pm
Yaso Córdova: we will work until 4:30 pm [ Scribe Assist by Caroline Burle ] ←
20:40:53 <yaso> Topic: DUV
20:41:46 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/157
http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/157 ←
20:41:54 <yaso> scribe: yaso
(Scribe set to Yaso Córdova)
20:42:09 <yaso> issue 157
20:42:18 <yaso> action 157
20:42:29 <NewtonCalegari> action-157
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Scribe problem: the name 'NewtonCalegari' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown NewtonCalegari: ACTION-157 ←
20:42:29 <trackbot> action-157 -- Phil Archer to Work with hadleybeeman to revise the bp on http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp/#provideuniqueidentifiers and make new suggestions -- due 2015-04-21 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-157 -- Phil Archer to Work with hadleybeeman to revise the bp on http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp/#provideuniqueidentifiers and make new suggestions -- due 2015-04-21 -- OPEN ←
20:42:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/157
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/157 ←
20:42:41 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
20:42:50 <ericstephan> https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit#
Eric Stephan: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit# ←
20:43:26 <GiselePappa> action GiselePappa Create BP for data enrichment
Gisele Pappa: action GiselePappa Create BP for data enrichment ←
20:43:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-173 - Create bp for data enrichment [on Gisele Pappa - due 2015-04-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-173 - Create bp for data enrichment [on Gisele Pappa - due 2015-04-21]. ←
20:43:32 <yaso> ericstephan: what we got is application class that BernadetteLoscio wrote
Eric Stephan: what we got is application class that BernadetteLoscio wrote ←
20:43:42 <yaso> ... data usage is different from feedback
... data usage is different from feedback ←
20:43:53 <yaso> ... it provides information about how do you use the data
... it provides information about how do you use the data ←
20:44:41 <yaso> ... I could explore what apps uses my type of file
... I could explore what apps uses my type of file ←
20:44:56 <yaso> ... so it structures information about how to use the data
... so it structures information about how to use the data ←
20:45:08 <yaso> ... one from the point of the user, other from the point of the publisher
... one from the point of the user, other from the point of the publisher ←
20:45:22 <yaso> SumitPurohit: is that data usage or data feedback
Sumit Purohit: is that data usage or data feedback ←
20:45:39 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: feedback is when you are going to say something about a dataset that you use
Bernadette Farias Loscio: feedback is when you are going to say something about a dataset that you use ←
20:46:31 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: data usage: you can have data usage from the point of view from the consumer,
Bernadette Farias Loscio: data usage: you can have data usage from the point of view from the consumer, ←
20:46:54 <yaso> ... the other thing is the readme file. It is how to use the dataset. It is provided by the publisher
... the other thing is the readme file. It is how to use the dataset. It is provided by the publisher ←
20:47:11 <yaso> ... given by the data publisher and shows how to use a dataset.
... given by the data publisher and shows how to use a dataset. ←
20:47:58 <yaso> ... feedback can be an opinion, rating, we can use quality criteria to provide feedback
... feedback can be an opinion, rating, we can use quality criteria to provide feedback ←
20:48:13 <yaso> ... citation can be a type of feedback, but I'm not sure
... citation can be a type of feedback, but I'm not sure ←
20:48:25 <yaso> ericstephan: if you have a dataset and I used your dataset
Eric Stephan: if you have a dataset and I used your dataset ←
20:48:38 <yaso> ... and I published a feedback considering your data
... and I published a feedback considering your data ←
20:48:40 <yaso> q+
q+ ←
20:48:45 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
ack BernadetteLoscio ←
20:49:08 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
20:49:12 <NewtonCalegari> q?
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Unknown NewtonCalegari: q? ←
20:49:59 <ericstephan> yaso: have you looked at the annotation working group Eric?
Yaso Córdova: have you looked at the annotation working group Eric? [ Scribe Assist by Eric Stephan ] ←
20:50:05 <yaso> q?
q? ←
20:50:09 <yaso> ack yaso
ack yaso ←
20:50:12 <ericstephan> ericstephan: no we haven't , but we need to
Eric Stephan: no we haven't , but we need to [ Scribe Assist by Eric Stephan ] ←
20:50:17 <yaso> q?
q? ←
20:50:40 <yaso> laufer: when we have a feedback
Carlos Laufer: when we have a feedback ←
20:50:52 <yaso> ... the citation is the link between some usage and the dataset
... the citation is the link between some usage and the dataset ←
20:51:14 <yaso> laufer: we need to have a reverting thing to say why this guy used this dataset
Carlos Laufer: we need to have a reverting thing to say why this guy used this dataset ←
20:51:32 <yaso> laufer: why did you use a citation on a thesis
Carlos Laufer: why did you use a citation on a thesis ←
20:51:52 <Ig_Bittencourt> If we look at a classical information life cycle (create, colect, store, process, distribute, consume, recicle), there are different types of use of a dataset and also by different agents (i.e. foaf:Agent).
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: If we look at a classical information life cycle (create, colect, store, process, distribute, consume, recicle), there are different types of use of a dataset and also by different agents (i.e. foaf:Agent). ←
20:51:57 <ericstephan> http://rdfs.org/sioc/spec/ Semantically-Interlinked Online Communities,
Eric Stephan: http://rdfs.org/sioc/spec/ Semantically-Interlinked Online Communities, ←
20:51:59 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
20:52:04 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
20:52:49 <SumitPurohit> q+
Sumit Purohit: q+ ←
20:52:56 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: I wanted to say that If i write a paper and I have a reference there, it doesn not mean that this is a feedback on a paper
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I wanted to say that If i write a paper and I have a reference there, it does not mean that this is a feedback on a paper ←
20:52:59 <yaso> +1 to Berna
+1 to Berna ←
20:53:13 <Caroline> s/doesn/does
20:53:18 <Caroline> +1 to BernadetteLoscio
Caroline Burle: +1 to BernadetteLoscio ←
20:53:22 <yaso> Ack ericstephan
Ack ericstephan ←
20:53:29 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
20:53:30 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1 to BernadetteLoscio
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1 to BernadetteLoscio ←
20:53:40 <yaso> ericstephan: It's all about the dataset, so to me in terms of feedback,
Eric Stephan: It's all about the dataset, so to me in terms of feedback, ←
20:53:55 <yaso> ... you provided a citation to show provenance
... you provided a citation to show provenance ←
20:54:34 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
20:54:36 <yaso> ericstephan: in terms of feedback it can be a paper that maybe discuss a quality of a dataset
Eric Stephan: in terms of feedback it can be a paper that maybe discuss a quality of a dataset ←
20:54:53 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
ack BernadetteLoscio ←
20:55:34 <yaso> q+ BernadetteLoscio
q+ BernadetteLoscio ←
20:55:38 <yaso> ack laufer
ack laufer ←
20:56:03 <yaso> laufer: maybe it is a good or bad feedback but why would someone cite my name?
Carlos Laufer: maybe it is a good or bad feedback but why would someone cite my name? ←
20:56:26 <yaso> SumitPurohit: there is different levels of citations that you could use
Sumit Purohit: there is different levels of citations that you could use ←
20:56:31 <Ig_Bittencourt> I agree to ericstephan, but this one way of using citation. For example, I can use the feedback of another user (i.e. an instance of the duv) about the same dataset that I am providing a feedback.
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: I agree to ericstephan, but this one way of using citation. For example, I can use the feedback of another user (i.e. an instance of the duv) about the same dataset that I am providing a feedback. ←
20:56:36 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
20:56:49 <yaso> q+
q+ ←
20:56:51 <yaso> SumitPurohit:
20:57:01 <yaso> SumitPurohit: that citation worth something
Sumit Purohit: that citation worth something ←
20:57:02 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
20:57:07 <yaso> ack SumitPurohit
ack SumitPurohit ←
20:57:11 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
ack BernadetteLoscio ←
20:57:30 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: I just don't know when I have a citation about a dataset
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I just don't know when I have a citation about a dataset ←
20:57:41 <yaso> ... if this is always a feedback
... if this is always a feedback ←
20:57:48 <SumitPurohit> q+
Sumit Purohit: q+ ←
20:57:56 <Ig_Bittencourt> ... So, there are different ways with different purpose of using citations.
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: ... So, there are different ways with different purpose of using citations. ←
20:57:57 <yaso> ... I'm not sure if you will always have a feedback on this
... I'm not sure if you will always have a feedback on this ←
20:58:21 <yaso> ericstephan: we already have dublincore references in DCAT
Eric Stephan: we already have dublincore references in DCAT ←
20:58:42 <yaso> q?
q? ←
20:58:47 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
20:59:00 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
ack BernadetteLoscio ←
20:59:14 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: I'm not sure if we discussed this before
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'm not sure if we discussed this before ←
20:59:31 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: datasets will have different versions and different distributions
Bernadette Farias Loscio: datasets will have different versions and different distributions ←
20:59:52 <yaso> ... the data usage information that we provide for a dataset will be the same for every distributions
... the data usage information that we provide for a dataset will be the same for every distributions ←
21:00:11 <yaso> ... and if we have different versions of the same datasets then feedback should refers to the version?
... and if we have different versions of the same datasets then feedback should refers to the version? ←
21:02:03 <Ig_Bittencourt> But I can give a feedback about a specific version of a dataset, for example, discussing about the quality of the data available in this new version.
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: But I can give a feedback about a specific version of a dataset, for example, discussing about the quality of the data available in this new version. ←
21:02:11 <yaso> q?
q? ←
21:02:16 <yaso> ack ericstephan
ack ericstephan ←
21:02:30 <yaso> ericstephan: if I change a file
Eric Stephan: if I change a file ←
21:03:16 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
21:04:24 <yaso> ack yaso
ack yaso ←
21:04:44 <yaso> ack SumitPurohit
ack SumitPurohit ←
21:04:44 <BernadetteLoscio> q-
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q- ←
21:05:14 <yaso> SumitPurohit: one thing that we should put in the glossary that citation is about using a complete DCAT dataset
Sumit Purohit: one thing that we should put in the glossary that citation is about using a complete DCAT dataset ←
21:05:23 <yaso> ... that's what we are defining here
... that's what we are defining here ←
21:05:45 <yaso> q?
q? ←
21:07:20 <yaso> scribe: NewtonCalegari
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21:07:23 <ericstephan> action SumitPurohit to make update to glossary for new data usage terms: citations, data producer, consumer, publisher etc
Eric Stephan: action SumitPurohit to make update to glossary for new data usage terms: citations, data producer, consumer, publisher etc ←
21:07:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-174 - Make update to glossary for new data usage terms: citations, data producer, consumer, publisher etc [on Sumit Purohit - due 2015-04-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-174 - Make update to glossary for new data usage terms: citations, data producer, consumer, publisher etc [on Sumit Purohit - due 2015-04-21]. ←
21:07:29 <NewtonCalegari> BernadetteLoscio: it's hard to define when we are going to have feedback
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Bernadette Farias Loscio: it's hard to define when we are going to have feedback ←
21:07:55 <NewtonCalegari> ... maybe it's interesting to get the data of the feedback
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... maybe it's interesting to get the data of the feedback ←
21:08:22 <NewtonCalegari> ... the properties of the dcat definition isn't enough
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... the properties of the dcat definition isn't enough ←
21:08:48 <NewtonCalegari> ... we could extend and create good definitions for dataset
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... we could extend and create good definitions for dataset ←
21:09:12 <NewtonCalegari> q?
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q? ←
21:09:14 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
21:09:18 <ericstephan> q-
Eric Stephan: q- ←
21:09:22 <BernadetteLoscio> http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/joejimbo/HCLSDatasetDescriptions/blob/master/Overview.html
Bernadette Farias Loscio: http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/joejimbo/HCLSDatasetDescriptions/blob/master/Overview.html ←
21:09:32 <NewtonCalegari> BernadetteLoscio: looking at the document that phila shared with us
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Bernadette Farias Loscio: looking at the document that phila shared with us ←
21:09:50 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
21:10:02 <NewtonCalegari> ... in the doc they say that the DCAT is used to describe datasets and catalogs
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... in the doc they say that the DCAT is used to describe datasets and catalogs ←
21:10:21 <NewtonCalegari> ... but it's, in fact, enough, and they need to combine with others vocabs
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... but it's, in fact, enough, and they need to combine with others vocabs ←
21:10:41 <NewtonCalegari> ... and if necessary, extend to new properties
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... and if necessary, extend to new properties ←
21:11:41 <NewtonCalegari> ... they have a citation section as well
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... they have a citation section as well ←
21:11:49 <NewtonCalegari> ericstephan: I agree that we could create an action
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Eric Stephan: I agree that we could create an action ←
21:12:05 <NewtonCalegari> close issue-158
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21:12:05 <trackbot> Closed issue-158.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-158. ←
21:13:26 <NewtonCalegari> action ericstephan read the citation section on the "Dataset Descriptions: HCLS Community Profile" document
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action ericstephan read the citation section on the "Dataset Descriptions: HCLS Community Profile" document ←
21:13:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-175 - Read the citation section on the "dataset descriptions: hcls community profile" document [on Eric Stephan - due 2015-04-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-175 - Read the citation section on the "dataset descriptions: hcls community profile" document [on Eric Stephan - due 2015-04-21]. ←
21:13:37 <NewtonCalegari> q?
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q? ←
21:13:39 <NewtonCalegari> ack ericstephan
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ack ericstephan ←
21:13:47 <ericstephan> http://rdfs.org/sioc/spec/
Eric Stephan: http://rdfs.org/sioc/spec/ ←
21:13:53 <NewtonCalegari> ericstephan: about references
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Eric Stephan: about references ←
21:14:36 <NewtonCalegari> ... it's interesting that it has a model that might be useful for feedback
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... it's interesting that it has a model that might be useful for feedback ←
21:14:46 <ericstephan> propose that we look at this for feedback
Eric Stephan: propose that we look at this for feedback ←
21:14:47 <NewtonCalegari> ... in this document http://rdfs.org/sioc/spec/
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... in this document http://rdfs.org/sioc/spec/ ←
21:15:06 <NewtonCalegari> BernadetteLoscio: different vocabs cover different aspects
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Bernadette Farias Loscio: different vocabs cover different aspects ←
21:15:22 <NewtonCalegari> ... maybe we don't need to create new ones, we can just see others and use them
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... maybe we don't need to create new ones, we can just see others and use them ←
21:17:13 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
21:17:18 <NewtonCalegari> act ericstephan
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act ericstephan ←
21:17:22 <NewtonCalegari> ack ericstephan
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ack ericstephan ←
21:17:27 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/159
Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/159 ←
21:17:33 <NewtonCalegari> issue-159
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21:17:33 <trackbot> issue-159 -- Is R-QualityOpinions more of a Data Usage Vocabulary concept? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-159 -- Is R-QualityOpinions more of a Data Usage Vocabulary concept? -- open ←
21:17:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/159
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/159 ←
21:17:48 <NewtonCalegari> ericstephan: antoine replied back about this issue
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Eric Stephan: antoine replied back about this issue ←
21:18:13 <NewtonCalegari> ... saying that it is part of data quality
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... saying that it is part of data quality ←
21:18:37 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
21:18:47 <NewtonCalegari> ... if we don't have data quality concepts, we need to create
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... if we don't have data quality concepts, we need to create ←
21:19:09 <ericstephan> close issue-159
Eric Stephan: close ISSUE-159 ←
21:19:09 <trackbot> Closed issue-159.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-159. ←
21:19:13 <NewtonCalegari> BernadetteLoscio: I agree, and we need to keep in mind that for the first version we aren't going to have a definition yet
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Bernadette Farias Loscio: I agree, and we need to keep in mind that for the first version we aren't going to have a definition yet ←
21:19:39 <NewtonCalegari> ... maybe we can have some examples to illustrate those concepts
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... maybe we can have some examples to illustrate those concepts ←
21:20:03 <NewtonCalegari> issue-157
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21:20:03 <trackbot> issue-157 -- Considering other kinds of data usage -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-157 -- Considering other kinds of data usage -- open ←
21:20:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/157
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/157 ←
21:20:05 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/157
Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/157 ←
21:20:39 <NewtonCalegari> BernadetteLoscio: is it related to the "README" thing?
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Bernadette Farias Loscio: is it related to the "README" thing? ←
21:20:55 <NewtonCalegari> ... as we discussed earlier, application is data usage from the consumer POV
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... as we discussed earlier, application is data usage from the consumer POV ←
21:21:14 <NewtonCalegari> ... and the readme file is on how to use or consume the data
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... and the readme file is on how to use or consume the data ←
21:21:19 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
21:21:49 <NewtonCalegari> SumitPurohit: the readme file come from the publish POV, and sometimes it can get confused
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Sumit Purohit: the readme file come from the publish POV, and sometimes it can get confused ←
21:22:20 <NewtonCalegari> ack laufer
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ack laufer ←
21:22:36 <NewtonCalegari> laufer: I think readme file is for humans, it's a kind of metadata
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Carlos Laufer: I think readme file is for humans, it's a kind of metadata ←
21:22:48 <NewtonCalegari> ... if we have an API, we need instructions on how to use it
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... if we have an API, we need instructions on how to use it ←
21:23:11 <NewtonCalegari> ... how can I guide someone who is going to use the data?
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... how can I guide someone who is going to use the data? ←
21:23:30 <NewtonCalegari> ... I can have instructions only about the data, explain some points
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... I can have instructions only about the data, explain some points ←
21:23:49 <NewtonCalegari> ... but we don't have any kind of guide on how to use the data
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... but we don't have any kind of guide on how to use the data ←
21:24:12 <NewtonCalegari> ... because consumer can use in whatever way he wants
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... because consumer can use in whatever way he wants ←
21:24:33 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
21:24:57 <NewtonCalegari> ack ericstephan
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ack ericstephan ←
21:25:22 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
21:25:23 <NewtonCalegari> ericstephan: a lot of scientists use readme in their data and applications
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Eric Stephan: a lot of scientists use readme in their data and applications ←
21:25:39 <NewtonCalegari> ... we don't need to use readme, but I like the ideia of having a template
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... we don't need to use readme, but I like the ideia of having a template ←
21:25:49 <BernadetteLoscio> q?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q? ←
21:25:52 <ericstephan> ack ericstephan
Eric Stephan: ack ericstephan ←
21:26:47 <NewtonCalegari> BernadetteLoscio: when we say metadata should be provided in human readable, is it related to the readme file?
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Bernadette Farias Loscio: when we say metadata should be provided in human readable, is it related to the readme file? ←
21:27:03 <NewtonCalegari> ericstephan: what kind of metadata you could put on a readme file?
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Carlos Laufer: what kind of metadata you could put on a readme file? ←
21:27:10 <NewtonCalegari> s/ericstephan/laufer
21:27:44 <NewtonCalegari> ericstephan: can put instructions, FAQuestions
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Eric Stephan: can put instructions, FAQuestions ←
21:28:10 <NewtonCalegari> BernadetteLoscio: we have a description of a dataset when we talk about metadada
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Bernadette Farias Loscio: we have a description of a dataset when we talk about metadada ←
21:28:46 <NewtonCalegari> ... what I think is that can have more information on a readme file than on a metadata to describe the dataset
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... what I think is that can have more information on a readme file than on a metadata to describe the dataset ←
21:28:57 <NewtonCalegari> ericstephan: I like the ideia of apply instructions
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Eric Stephan: I like the ideia of apply instructions ←
21:29:10 <NewtonCalegari> q+
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q+ ←
21:29:13 <NewtonCalegari> ack laufer
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ack laufer ←
21:30:01 <NewtonCalegari> laufer: maybe a few of the information on a readme file, we already cover on other BP related to metadata for humans
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Carlos Laufer: maybe a few of the information on a readme file, we already cover on other BP related to metadata for humans ←
21:30:28 <yaso> Rssagent, generate minutes
Yaso Córdova: Rssagent, generate minutes ←
21:30:43 <yaso> RRSagent, generate minutes
Yaso Córdova: RRSagent, generate minutes ←
21:30:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html yaso
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html yaso ←
21:31:21 <yaso> So, we are closing the meeting with the last survivors
Yaso Córdova: So, we are closing the meeting with the last survivors ←
21:31:38 <Caroline> bye! :)
Caroline Burle: bye! :) ←
21:31:45 <BernadetteLoscio> bye!!!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: bye!!! ←
21:31:46 <yaso> bye!!! thank you!!!
Yaso Córdova: bye!!! thank you!!! ←
21:31:49 <laufer> bye all, nice weekend
Carlos Laufer: bye all, nice weekend ←
21:31:53 <NewtonCalegari> tchuß
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tchuß ←
21:32:00 <flavio> Ciao !
Flavio Yanai: Ciao ! ←
22:02:23 <phila> RRSAgent, generate minutes
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