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Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group

Minutes of 07 February 2014

Agenda
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.02.07
Seen
Antoine Isaac, Augusto Herrmann, Carlos Iglesias, Christian Miranda, Eric Stephan, Erik Mannens, Ghislain Atemezing, Gustavo Suárez Volpe, Hadley Beeman, Ivan Herman, Joao Almeida, Makx Dekkers, Manuel Carrasco Benitez, Newton Calegari, Phil Archer, Seiji Isotani, Steven Adler, Vagner Diniz, Vinh Nguyen, Yaso Córdova
Guests
Augusto Herrmann, Christian Miranda
Chair
Steven Adler
Scribe
Eric Stephan
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. accept the meetings of 31 jan link
Topics
12:55:17 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/02/07-dwbp-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/02/07-dwbp-irc ←

12:55:43 <PhilA> PhilA has changed the topic to: DWBP Weekly telecon 7 Feb 2014

Phil Archer: PhilA has changed the topic to: DWBP Weekly telecon 7 Feb 2014 ←

12:56:11 <PhilA> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.02.07
12:56:11 <PhilA> Guest: Augusto Herrmann
12:56:11 <PhilA> Guest: Christian Miranda
12:56:21 <PhilA> Chair: Steve
12:56:47 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()8:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: DATA_DWBP()8:00AM has now started ←

12:56:48 <Zakim> +Vinh

Zakim IRC Bot: +Vinh ←

12:57:07 <PhilA> Regrets+ Bernadette, JohnG, Martin, Erik

Phil Archer: Regrets+ Bernadette, JohnG, Martin, Erik ←

12:57:46 <Zakim> +??P1

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P1 ←

12:58:10 <Seiji_Isotani> zakim, ??P1 is me

Seiji Isotani: zakim, ??P1 is me ←

12:58:10 <Zakim> +Seiji_Isotani; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Seiji_Isotani; got it ←

12:58:22 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←

12:58:27 <PhilA> zakim, ipcaller is me

Phil Archer: zakim, ipcaller is me ←

12:58:27 <Zakim> +PhilA; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +PhilA; got it ←

12:58:10 <Zakim> Gust: Augusto Herrmann

Gustavo Suárez Volpe: Augusto Herrmann [ Scribe Assist by Zakim IRC Bot ] ←

12:58:59 <Zakim> +??P3

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←

12:59:18 <MTcarrasco> zakim, ??P3 is me

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: zakim, ??P3 is me ←

12:59:18 <Zakim> +MTcarrasco; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MTcarrasco; got it ←

12:59:23 <Seiji_Isotani> * you´re welcome PhilA, still trying to get used to irc

Seiji Isotani: * you´re welcome PhilA, still trying to get used to irc ←

12:59:45 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←

12:59:45 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←

12:59:46 <Zakim> +Steve

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steve ←

12:59:46 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←

12:59:55 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman ←

13:00:06 <ivan> zakim, drop ivan

Ivan Herman: zakim, drop ivan ←

13:00:06 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected ←

13:00:07 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←

13:00:38 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←

13:00:38 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←

13:00:40 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←

13:00:52 <ivan> zakim, mute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←

13:00:52 <Zakim> + +33.4.93.00.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.4.93.00.aaaa ←

13:00:52 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←

13:01:08 <Zakim> +ericstephan

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericstephan ←

13:01:09 <MTcarrasco> zakim, mute me

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: zakim, mute me ←

13:01:09 <Zakim> MTcarrasco should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MTcarrasco should now be muted ←

13:01:51 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is here? ←

13:01:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vinh, Seiji_Isotani, PhilA, MTcarrasco (muted), Steve, Ivan (muted), HadleyBeeman, +33.4.93.00.aaaa, ericstephan

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Vinh, Seiji_Isotani, PhilA, MTcarrasco (muted), Steve, Ivan (muted), HadleyBeeman, +33.4.93.00.aaaa, ericstephan ←

13:01:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see MakxDekkers, CarlosIglesias, MTcarrasco, RRSAgent, Vinh, PhilA, Zakim, HadleyBeeman, Seiji_Isotani, adler1, ErikMannens, ivan, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see MakxDekkers, CarlosIglesias, MTcarrasco, RRSAgent, Vinh, PhilA, Zakim, HadleyBeeman, Seiji_Isotani, adler1, ErikMannens, ivan, sandro, trackbot ←

13:02:01 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who is on the call?

Hadley Beeman: zakim, who is on the call? ←

13:02:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vinh, Seiji_Isotani, PhilA, MTcarrasco (muted), Steve, Ivan (muted), HadleyBeeman, +33.4.93.00.aaaa, ericstephan

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Vinh, Seiji_Isotani, PhilA, MTcarrasco (muted), Steve, Ivan (muted), HadleyBeeman, +33.4.93.00.aaaa, ericstephan ←

13:02:19 <Zakim> + +33.4.93.00.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.4.93.00.aabb ←

13:02:20 <Zakim> -Vinh

Zakim IRC Bot: -Vinh ←

13:02:57 <Zakim> +Makx_Dekkers

Zakim IRC Bot: +Makx_Dekkers ←

13:03:05 <Zakim> -Makx_Dekkers

Zakim IRC Bot: -Makx_Dekkers ←

13:03:07 <Zakim> +??P8

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←

13:03:08 <HadleyBeeman> rtroncy, are you dialing in?

Hadley Beeman: rtroncy, are you dialing in? ←

13:03:16 <Zakim> +Caroline

Zakim IRC Bot: +Caroline ←

13:03:17 <ericstephan> I am joining from a new number...

Eric Stephan: I am joining from a new number... ←

13:03:30 <CarlosIglesias> zakim, ??P8 is me

Carlos Iglesias: zakim, ??P8 is me ←

13:03:30 <Zakim> +CarlosIglesias; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +CarlosIglesias; got it ←

13:03:43 <PhilA> zakim, caroline is Yaso

Phil Archer: zakim, caroline is Yaso ←

13:03:43 <Zakim> +Yaso; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Yaso; got it ←

13:03:48 <Zakim> +Makx_Dekkers

Zakim IRC Bot: +Makx_Dekkers ←

13:04:48 <Zakim> -Makx_Dekkers

Zakim IRC Bot: -Makx_Dekkers ←

13:04:54 <PhilA> zakim, mute aabb

Phil Archer: zakim, mute aabb ←

13:04:54 <Zakim> +33.4.93.00.aabb should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: +33.4.93.00.aabb should now be muted ←

13:05:05 <PhilA> zakim, mute aaaa

Phil Archer: zakim, mute aaaa ←

13:05:05 <Zakim> +33.4.93.00.aaaa should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: +33.4.93.00.aaaa should now be muted ←

13:05:12 <PhilA> zakim, unmute aabb

Phil Archer: zakim, unmute aabb ←

13:05:12 <Zakim> +33.4.93.00.aabb should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: +33.4.93.00.aabb should no longer be muted ←

13:05:22 <Zakim> +Makx_Dekkers

Zakim IRC Bot: +Makx_Dekkers ←

13:05:34 <Zakim> - +33.4.93.00.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: - +33.4.93.00.aaaa ←

13:05:41 <Zakim> -Makx_Dekkers

Zakim IRC Bot: -Makx_Dekkers ←

13:06:00 <Zakim> +Vinh

Zakim IRC Bot: +Vinh ←

13:06:02 <adler1> zakim, mute +33*

Steven Adler: zakim, mute +33* ←

13:06:02 <Zakim> sorry, adler1, I do not know which phone connection belongs to +33*

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, adler1, I do not know which phone connection belongs to +33* ←

13:06:13 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, mute aaaa

Hadley Beeman: zakim, mute aaaa ←

13:06:13 <Zakim> sorry, HadleyBeeman, I do not know which phone connection belongs to aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, HadleyBeeman, I do not know which phone connection belongs to aaaa ←

13:06:14 <adler1> zakim, mute +33*

Steven Adler: zakim, mute +33* ←

13:06:15 <Zakim> sorry, adler1, I do not know which phone connection belongs to +33*

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, adler1, I do not know which phone connection belongs to +33* ←

13:06:20 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who is on the call?

Hadley Beeman: zakim, who is on the call? ←

13:06:21 <Zakim> +Makx_Dekkers

Zakim IRC Bot: +Makx_Dekkers ←

13:06:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see Seiji_Isotani, PhilA, MTcarrasco (muted), Steve, Ivan (muted), HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, +33.4.93.00.aabb, CarlosIglesias, Yaso, Vinh, Makx_Dekkers

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Seiji_Isotani, PhilA, MTcarrasco (muted), Steve, Ivan (muted), HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, +33.4.93.00.aabb, CarlosIglesias, Yaso, Vinh, Makx_Dekkers ←

13:06:25 <PhilA> zakim, mute aabb

Phil Archer: zakim, mute aabb ←

13:06:25 <Zakim> +33.4.93.00.aabb should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: +33.4.93.00.aabb should now be muted ←

13:06:25 <HadleyBeeman> zkaim, mute aabb

Hadley Beeman: zkaim, mute aabb ←

13:06:28 <Zakim> - +33.4.93.00.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: - +33.4.93.00.aabb ←

13:07:14 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is here? ←

13:07:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see Seiji_Isotani, PhilA, MTcarrasco (muted), Steve, Ivan (muted), HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, CarlosIglesias, Yaso, Vinh, Makx_Dekkers

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Seiji_Isotani, PhilA, MTcarrasco (muted), Steve, Ivan (muted), HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, CarlosIglesias, Yaso, Vinh, Makx_Dekkers ←

13:07:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see gatemezi, herrmann_, herrmann, ericstephan, yaso, MakxDekkers, CarlosIglesias, MTcarrasco, RRSAgent, Vinh, PhilA, Zakim, HadleyBeeman, Seiji_Isotani, adler1,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see gatemezi, herrmann_, herrmann, ericstephan, yaso, MakxDekkers, CarlosIglesias, MTcarrasco, RRSAgent, Vinh, PhilA, Zakim, HadleyBeeman, Seiji_Isotani, adler1, ←

13:07:16 <Zakim> ... ErikMannens, ivan, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... ErikMannens, ivan, sandro, trackbot ←

13:07:30 <HadleyBeeman> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.02.07
13:08:09 <ericstephan> I can help

Eric Stephan: I can help ←

13:08:25 <adler1> thanks eric

Steven Adler: thanks eric ←

13:08:31 <ivan> scribenick: ericstephan

(Scribe set to Eric Stephan)

13:08:32 <ericstephan> scribe: Eric
13:08:42 <PhilA> scribe: ericstephan
13:08:45 <ericstephan> oops did I screw that up Ivan?

oops did I screw that up Ivan? ←

13:08:49 <ericstephan> thank you

thank you ←

13:09:10 <ericstephan> Topic: Last week's minutes

1. Last week's minutes

13:09:14 <adler1> +1

Steven Adler: +1 ←

13:09:14 <PhilA> Actually link in agenda is wrong, it should be http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-01-31

Phil Archer: Actually link in agenda is wrong, it should be http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-01-31 ←

13:09:29 <Zakim> + +33.4.93.00.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.4.93.00.aacc ←

13:09:31 <PhilA> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: accept minutes of 31 jan

Phil Archer: PROPOSED RESOLUTION: accept minutes of 31 jan ←

13:10:01 <ericstephan> +1

+1 ←

13:10:06 <adler1> +1

Steven Adler: +1 ←

13:10:07 <HadleyBeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1 ←

13:10:09 <Seiji_Isotani> +1

Seiji Isotani: +1 ←

13:10:10 <CarlosIglesias> +1

Carlos Iglesias: +1 ←

13:10:10 <ErikMannens> +1

Erik Mannens: +1 ←

13:10:12 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1 ←

13:10:14 <MTcarrasco> +1

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: +1 ←

13:10:19 <PhilA> +1

Phil Archer: +1 ←

13:10:20 <herrmann_> +1

Augusto Herrmann: +1 ←

13:10:27 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1 ←

13:10:57 <ericstephan> RESOLVED:  accept the meetings of 31 jan

RESOLVED: accept the meetings of 31 jan ←

13:11:14 <ericstephan> TOPIC:  Use cases

2. Use cases

13:12:03 <Seiji_Isotani> +q

Seiji Isotani: +q ←

13:12:11 <ericstephan> No one has put use cases on the wiki yet.

No one has put use cases on the wiki yet. ←

13:12:21 <ericstephan> Steve:  Does anyone know of any use cases?

Steven Adler: Does anyone know of any use cases? ←

13:12:29 <ericstephan> yes

yes ←

13:12:33 <PhilA> q?

Phil Archer: q? ←

13:12:40 <PhilA> ack Seiji_Isotani

Phil Archer: ack Seiji_Isotani ←

13:13:06 <yaso> zakim, newton is with yaso

Yaso Córdova: zakim, newton is with yaso ←

13:13:06 <Zakim> +newton; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +newton; got it ←

13:13:18 <ericstephan> Seiji_Isotani:  Thought about the use cases, but still don't understand idea behind use cases, with regards to best practices

Seiji Isotani: Thought about the use cases, but still don't understand idea behind use cases, with regards to best practices ←

13:13:26 <adler1> ack seiji_Isotani

Steven Adler: ack seiji_Isotani ←

13:13:54 <ericstephan> Seiji_Isotani:  Its seems still a bit vague

Seiji Isotani: Its seems still a bit vague ←

13:14:32 <PhilA> I like yaso's idea of the data lifecyle - could be useful

Phil Archer: I like yaso's idea of the data lifecyle - could be useful ←

13:14:43 <ericstephan> ????:  Putting data on the web, and trace data life cyle on the web

Yaso Córdova: Putting data on the web, and trace data life cyle on the web ←

13:14:51 <ericstephan> was that yaso speaking?

was that yaso speaking? ←

13:14:56 <adler1> yes

Steven Adler: yes ←

13:14:58 <yaso> yes

Yaso Córdova: yes ←

13:14:59 <ericstephan> thank you

thank you ←

13:15:04 <MTcarrasco> zakim, unmute me

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: zakim, unmute me ←

13:15:04 <Zakim> MTcarrasco should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MTcarrasco should no longer be muted ←

13:15:07 <ericstephan> s/????/yaso/
13:15:09 <MTcarrasco> q+

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: q+ ←

13:15:15 <ivan> zakim, drop me

Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me ←

13:15:15 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected ←

13:15:17 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←

13:15:24 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←

13:15:24 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←

13:15:25 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←

13:15:36 <ivan> zakim, mute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←

13:15:36 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←

13:16:01 <ericstephan> Steve:  Organized webinar with city of Palo Alto to look at challenges, publication, community uses, impacts and challenges that remain

Steven Adler: Organized webinar with city of Palo Alto to look at challenges, publication, community uses, impacts and challenges that remain ←

13:16:23 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←

13:16:30 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller is me

Antoine Isaac: zakim, IPcaller is me ←

13:16:30 <Zakim> +antoine; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +antoine; got it ←

13:16:45 <ericstephan> Steve:  Use of webinars on a regular basis all these issues that Yaso mentioned will quickly clean out other issues.

Steven Adler: Use of webinars on a regular basis all these issues that Yaso mentioned will quickly clean out other issues. ←

13:16:45 <yaso> q+

Yaso Córdova: q+ ←

13:16:53 <adler1> ack

Steven Adler: ack ←

13:16:58 <PhilA> ack MTcarrasco

Phil Archer: ack MTcarrasco ←

13:17:51 <ericstephan> MTcarrasco:  Will we be taking into account technical aspects of the problem?

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Will we be taking into account technical aspects of the problem? ←

13:18:00 <MTcarrasco> Use case: existing programs; e.g., Apache.

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Use case: existing programs; e.g., Apache. ←

13:18:02 <ericstephan> Did I capture that?

Did I capture that? ←

13:18:07 <ericstephan> thank you

thank you ←

13:19:06 <ericstephan> MTcarrasco:  URI has a publication in 5 languages and different formats. In Apache it would give me spanish version

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: URI has a publication in 5 languages and different formats. In Apache it would give me spanish version ←

13:19:20 <MTcarrasco> http://example.com/1122.es.html

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: http://example.com/1122.es.html ←

13:19:34 <MTcarrasco> Get the Spanish, HTML variant

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Get the Spanish, HTML variant ←

13:19:50 <PhilA> Content negotiation is a standard feature of HTTP. Negotiation can be by file type and/or by language

Phil Archer: Content negotiation is a standard feature of HTTP. Negotiation can be by file type and/or by language ←

13:20:07 <ericstephan> Steve:  Don't know how it fits in use case example..

Steven Adler: Don't know how it fits in use case example.. ←

13:20:22 <MTcarrasco> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/content-negotiation.html

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/content-negotiation.html ←

13:20:43 <ericstephan> PhilA:  This is content negociation, underused on the web. But you can do this and it goes to the heart of the linked data world.

Phil Archer: This is content negociation, underused on the web. But you can do this and it goes to the heart of the linked data world. ←

13:21:02 <gatemezi> zakim, mute me

Ghislain Atemezing: zakim, mute me ←

13:21:02 <Zakim> sorry, gatemezi, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, gatemezi, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←

13:21:03 <ericstephan> q+

q+ ←

13:21:05 <MTcarrasco> URI identifies a "resources" that can have many variants

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: URI identifies a "resources" that can have many variants ←

13:21:16 <CarlosIglesias> Probably the need of different types of content addressing different user needs (language, format, etc.) is a good use case

Carlos Iglesias: Probably the need of different types of content addressing different user needs (language, format, etc.) is a good use case ←

13:21:29 <CarlosIglesias> But not the content negotiation mechanism itself

Carlos Iglesias: But not the content negotiation mechanism itself ←

13:21:38 <Zakim> +??P12

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←

13:21:46 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P12 is me

Joao Almeida: Zakim, ??P12 is me ←

13:21:46 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it ←

13:22:06 <PhilA> zakim, who is on the phone?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is on the phone? ←

13:22:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Seiji_Isotani, PhilA, MTcarrasco, Steve, Ivan (muted), HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, CarlosIglesias, Yaso, Vinh, Makx_Dekkers, +33.4.93.00.aacc, antoine,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Seiji_Isotani, PhilA, MTcarrasco, Steve, Ivan (muted), HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, CarlosIglesias, Yaso, Vinh, Makx_Dekkers, +33.4.93.00.aacc, antoine, ←

13:22:10 <Zakim> ... JoaoPauloAlmeida

Zakim IRC Bot: ... JoaoPauloAlmeida ←

13:22:10 <Zakim> Yaso has Yaso, newton

Zakim IRC Bot: Yaso has Yaso, newton ←

13:22:18 <gatemezi> Zakim, +33.4.00.aacc is me

Ghislain Atemezing: Zakim, +33.4.00.aacc is me ←

13:22:18 <Zakim> sorry, gatemezi, I do not recognize a party named '+33.4.00.aacc'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, gatemezi, I do not recognize a party named '+33.4.00.aacc' ←

13:22:26 <ericstephan> MTcarrasco:  United nations on Sudan, when one talks to the language, its in many languages and formats

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: United nations on Sudan, when one talks to the language, its in many languages and formats ←

13:22:38 <antoine> q+ about multilinguality

Antoine Isaac: q+ about multilinguality ←

13:22:47 <yaso> q_

Yaso Córdova: q_ ←

13:22:53 <MTcarrasco> To request  a list of languages must go into the header fields

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: To request a list of languages must go into the header fields ←

13:23:05 <gatemezi> Zakim, aacc is me

Ghislain Atemezing: Zakim, aacc is me ←

13:23:05 <Zakim> +gatemezi; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +gatemezi; got it ←

13:23:19 <PhilA> ack antoine

Phil Archer: ack antoine ←

13:23:32 <MTcarrasco> See the examaples - https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_on_the_Web_URI_Best_Practices

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: See the examaples - https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_on_the_Web_URI_Best_Practices ←

13:23:45 <ericstephan> Yaso: Introduced xx

Yaso Córdova: Introduced xx ←

13:24:26 <ericstephan> xx:  A  bit skeptical about putting all the complexities into the use cases

Antoine Isaac: A bit skeptical about putting all the complexities into the use cases ←

13:24:50 <gatemezi> s/xx/antoine
13:25:14 <ivan> zakim, drop me

Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me ←

13:25:15 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected ←

13:25:16 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←

13:25:23 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←

13:25:23 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←

13:25:25 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←

13:26:00 <ericstephan> MTcarrasco:  Question of languages and time, previous versions of the page.  dimensions of linked data must be in use cases

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Question of languages and time, previous versions of the page. dimensions of linked data must be in use cases ←

13:26:41 <MTcarrasco> The key point is dimensions: language, format, previous version, perhaps other in the future

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: The key point is dimensions: language, format, previous version, perhaps other in the future ←

13:26:43 <Zakim> +yaso

Zakim IRC Bot: +yaso ←

13:26:46 <ericstephan> Steve:  Can we identify multi-lingual as part of each use case?

Steven Adler: Can we identify multi-lingual as part of each use case? ←

13:26:52 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, mute me

Joao Almeida: Zakim, mute me ←

13:26:52 <Zakim> JoaoPauloAlmeida should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: JoaoPauloAlmeida should now be muted ←

13:27:39 <antoine> +1 with what Steve proposed: let's let the cases raise/ack the issue and be ready to investigate more.

Antoine Isaac: +1 with what Steve proposed: let's let the cases raise/ack the issue and we be ready to investigate more. ←

13:27:55 <antoine> s/be ready/we be ready/
13:28:17 <ericstephan> q+

q+ ←

13:28:21 <adler1> ack

Steven Adler: ack ←

13:28:33 <HadleyBeeman> ack yaso

Hadley Beeman: ack yaso ←

13:28:37 <ivan> zakim, mute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←

13:28:37 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←

13:28:39 <antoine> ack about

Antoine Isaac: ack about ←

13:28:46 <antoine> ack multilinguality

Antoine Isaac: ack multilinguality ←

13:29:02 <MTcarrasco> Do not address just  the particular case of languages

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Do not address just the particular case of languages ←

13:29:10 <adler1> ok

Steven Adler: ok ←

13:30:18 <HadleyBeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+ ←

13:30:26 <ericstephan> q+

q+ ←

13:30:36 <adler1> ack ericstephan

Steven Adler: ack ericstephan ←

13:30:47 <MTcarrasco> q+

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: q+ ←

13:30:58 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> q+

Joao Almeida: q+ ←

13:31:02 <adler1> ack HadleyBeeman

Steven Adler: ack HadleyBeeman ←

13:31:14 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/05/odbp-charter.html#Scope

Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/05/odbp-charter.html#Scope ←

13:31:34 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman:  Charter - our working group will be agnostic for technology...

Hadley Beeman: Charter - our working group will be agnostic for technology... ←

13:32:17 <MakxDekkers> q+

Makx Dekkers: q+ ←

13:32:17 <MTcarrasco> I come from the URI

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: I come from the URI ←

13:32:17 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman:  If we do our jobs properly our  impact can be greater than linked data.

Hadley Beeman: If we do our jobs properly our impact can be greater than linked data. ←

13:32:18 <PhilA> q?

Phil Archer: q? ←

13:32:27 <yaso> q+

Yaso Córdova: q+ ←

13:32:27 <adler1> ack MTcarrasco

Steven Adler: ack MTcarrasco ←

13:32:41 <Vinh> how about the provenance metadata for measuring quality of the Web data?

Vinh Nguyen: how about the provenance metadata for measuring quality of the Web data? ←

13:32:55 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> ack me

Joao Almeida: ack me ←

13:33:10 <adler1> danke

Steven Adler: danke ←

13:33:32 <adler1> kool

Steven Adler: kool ←

13:33:32 <ericstephan> JoaoPauloAlmedia: To answer your question, how can data be published on the web for better interoperability.

Joao Almeida: To answer your question, how can data be published on the web for better interoperability. ←

13:33:44 <MTcarrasco> +1

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: +1 ←

13:33:58 <ericstephan> JoaoPauloAlmedia:  When selecting a vocabulary or schema, how should we do that?

Joao Almeida: When selecting a vocabulary or schema, how should we do that? ←

13:33:59 <PhilA> q+ to answer this question

Phil Archer: q+ to answer this question ←

13:34:29 <PhilA> q-

Phil Archer: q- ←

13:34:45 <ericstephan> JoaoPauloAlmedia:  How should it look like as it is expressed in different technologies, for mulitople levels of interoperability.

Joao Almeida: How should it look like as it is expressed in different technologies, for mulitople levels of interoperability. ←

13:35:18 <ericstephan> JoaoPauloAlmedia:  How can domains come together to define vocabularies and follow best practices that others can consume?

Joao Almeida: How can domains come together to define vocabularies and follow best practices that others can consume? ←

13:35:37 <adler1> ack next

Steven Adler: ack next ←

13:36:01 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> PhilA, thanks, I changed my SIP provider

Joao Almeida: PhilA, thanks, I changed my SIP provider ←

13:36:34 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, who is speaking

Joao Almeida: Zakim, who is speaking ←

13:36:34 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is speaking', JoaoPauloAlmeida

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is speaking', JoaoPauloAlmeida ←

13:36:40 <yaso> zakim, who's making noise?

Yaso Córdova: zakim, who's making noise? ←

13:36:41 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, who is talking?

Joao Almeida: Zakim, who is talking? ←

13:36:47 <MTcarrasco> zakim, mute me

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: zakim, mute me ←

13:36:47 <Zakim> MTcarrasco should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MTcarrasco should now be muted ←

13:36:48 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, mute me

Joao Almeida: Zakim, mute me ←

13:36:49 <Zakim> JoaoPauloAlmeida should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: JoaoPauloAlmeida should now be muted ←

13:36:51 <Zakim> yaso, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: JoaoPauloAlmeida (50%)

Zakim IRC Bot: yaso, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: JoaoPauloAlmeida (50%) ←

13:37:02 <Zakim> JoaoPauloAlmeida, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

Zakim IRC Bot: JoaoPauloAlmeida, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds ←

13:37:08 <ericstephan> MakxDekkers:  Just following up on dimensions and what was said earlier.  When we talk about data, what data are we talking about, vocabularies, documents, images, sensor data, how can we abstract to something that is general.

Makx Dekkers: Just following up on dimensions and what was said earlier. When we talk about data, what data are we talking about, vocabularies, documents, images, sensor data, how can we abstract to something that is general. ←

13:37:31 <MTcarrasco> All data

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: All data ←

13:37:32 <ericstephan> MakxDekkers:  I've always tried to find out when we talk about data, what do we mean?

Makx Dekkers: I've always tried to find out when we talk about data, what do we mean? ←

13:37:38 <ericstephan> q+

q+ ←

13:37:40 <gatemezi> All data...

Ghislain Atemezing: All data... ←

13:37:53 <MTcarrasco> zakim, unmute me

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: zakim, unmute me ←

13:37:53 <Zakim> MTcarrasco should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MTcarrasco should no longer be muted ←

13:37:58 <ericstephan> all of it

all of it ←

13:37:59 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> to me primarily "structured data"

Joao Almeida: to me primarily "structured data" ←

13:38:01 <yaso> all data

Yaso Córdova: all data ←

13:38:10 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> but we would need to define that, which is tricky

Joao Almeida: but we would need to define that, which is tricky ←

13:38:11 <Zakim> +yaso

Zakim IRC Bot: +yaso ←

13:38:14 <ericstephan> -q

-q ←

13:38:23 <Zakim> -yaso

Zakim IRC Bot: -yaso ←

13:38:36 <yaso> http://www.od4d.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/cadeiaDadosAbertosGerenciamentoCicloEn.png

Yaso Córdova: http://www.od4d.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/cadeiaDadosAbertosGerenciamentoCicloEn.png ←

13:38:38 <adler1> ack yaso

Steven Adler: ack yaso ←

13:39:40 <MTcarrasco> Or type

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Or type ←

13:40:18 <PhilA> q+

Phil Archer: q+ ←

13:40:31 <ericstephan> Yaso:  Used a draft to put data on the web, training managers, handle each phase separating how data is put on the web.  We could treat the process as a real life cycle

Yaso Córdova: Used a draft to put data on the web, training managers, handle each phase separating how data is put on the web. We could treat the process as a real life cycle ←

13:41:02 <PhilA> q-

Phil Archer: q- ←

13:41:08 <ericstephan> Steve:  Information, Linked Data, Web is everyone clear about these terms.

Steven Adler: Information, Linked Data, Web and Open Data is everyone clear about these terms. ←

13:41:09 <MakxDekkers> -1

Makx Dekkers: -1 ←

13:41:24 <MakxDekkers> q+

Makx Dekkers: q+ ←

13:41:34 <antoine> s/Web/Web and Open Data/
13:42:04 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> in our sense, Open data is  at least data that can be used across actors

Joao Almeida: in our sense, Open data is at least data that can be used across actors ←

13:42:12 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> that someone else will be able to consume

Joao Almeida: that someone else will be able to consume ←

13:42:13 <PhilA> q+

Phil Archer: q+ ←

13:42:40 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> again, from the charter: "The mission of the Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group, part of the Data Activity, is:

Joao Almeida: again, from the charter: "The mission of the Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group, part of the Data Activity, is: ←

13:42:41 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> - to develop the open data ecosystem, facilitating better communication between developers and publishers;"

Joao Almeida: - to develop the open data ecosystem, facilitating better communication between developers and publishers;" ←

13:42:48 <ericstephan> Steve:  For you the scope is the EU decides what data is open and what is closed for best practices.

Steven Adler: For you the scope is the EU decides what data is open and what is closed for best practices. ←

13:42:51 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> so "communication" is key

Joao Almeida: so "communication" is key ←

13:43:15 <antoine> q?

Antoine Isaac: q? ←

13:43:18 <CarlosIglesias> The scope is best practices for data publishing on the web and IMO openness should be one of the best practices

Carlos Iglesias: The scope is best practices for data publishing on the web and IMO openness should be one of the best practices ←

13:43:23 <PhilA> ack MakxDekkers

Phil Archer: ack MakxDekkers ←

13:43:43 <ericstephan> MakxDekkers:  While preparing for the call, is it open data is what you can get to.

Makx Dekkers: While preparing for the call, is it open data is what you can get to. ←

13:43:57 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1

Joao Almeida: +1 ←

13:43:58 <ericstephan> MakxDekkers:  Our focus should be "data on the web"

Makx Dekkers: Our focus should be "data on the web" ←

13:44:12 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+ ←

13:44:12 <PhilA> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me ←

13:44:20 <MTcarrasco> The URI http://example.com/1122 might have some variants with clean data and some variants with unclean data

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: The URI http://example.com/1122 might have some variants with clean data and some variants with unclean data ←

13:44:53 <ericstephan> PhilA:  In the charter it does say  open data is in scope.

Phil Archer: In the charter it does say open data is in scope. ←

13:45:22 <CarlosIglesias> I think we should cover whatever data on the web (open or closed) but encourage open data as one of the best practices (you may decide to be fulfilling or not)

Carlos Iglesias: I think we should cover whatever data on the web (open or closed) but encourage open data as one of the best practices (you may decide to be fulfilling or not) ←

13:45:26 <antoine> q-

Antoine Isaac: q- ←

13:45:39 <ericstephan> PhilA:  Example: Open Data is used to augment data being held internally.

Phil Archer: Example: Open Data is used to augment data being held internally. ←

13:45:42 <ericstephan> +q

+q ←

13:45:48 <MakxDekkers> q+

Makx Dekkers: q+ ←

13:45:53 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> If we ensure semantic interoperability than we are a long way towards "openness"

Joao Almeida: If we ensure semantic interoperability than we are a long way towards "openness" ←

13:45:54 <MTcarrasco> The data might start as confidential and later might become open (published)

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: The data might start as confidential and later might become open (published) ←

13:46:19 <gatemezi> well, if the data is "closed" on the Web, it will be difficult to have access and consume it...

Ghislain Atemezing: well, if the data is "closed" on the Web, it will be difficult to have access and consume it... ←

13:46:41 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> q+

Joao Almeida: q+ ←

13:46:43 <ericstephan> Open - has a temporal nature

Open - has a temporal nature ←

13:46:50 <ericstephan> as well in the sciences

as well in the sciences ←

13:47:23 <ericstephan> Steve:  Cultural and resource limitations of publishing open data

Steven Adler: Cultural and resource limitations of publishing open data ←

13:47:26 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, who is speaking?

Joao Almeida: Zakim, who is speaking? ←

13:47:43 <Zakim> JoaoPauloAlmeida, listening for 15 seconds I could not identify any sounds

Zakim IRC Bot: JoaoPauloAlmeida, listening for 15 seconds I could not identify any sounds ←

13:48:25 <ericstephan> Steve:  What are the steps and best practices, want to publish the data on the web, other layers.

Steven Adler: What are the steps and best practices, want to publish the data on the web, other layers. ←

13:48:27 <ericstephan> q+

q+ ←

13:49:15 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> PhilA, thanks

Joao Almeida: PhilA, thanks ←

13:49:38 <PhilA> ack ericstephan

Phil Archer: ack ericstephan ←

13:49:41 <PhilA> ack MakxDekkers

Phil Archer: ack MakxDekkers ←

13:50:10 <PhilA> q+

Phil Archer: q+ ←

13:50:22 <adler1> ack jao

Steven Adler: ack jao ←

13:50:24 <CarlosIglesias> +1 to focus on organizational aspects first

Carlos Iglesias: +1 to focus on organizational aspects first ←

13:50:24 <ericstephan> MakxDekkers:  Sometimes people have a technology focus.  Licensing arrangement is important

Makx Dekkers: Sometimes people have a technology focus. Licensing arrangement is important ←

13:50:39 <MTcarrasco> Data quality might be a dimension. For example, the same data  (Spanish, XML, raw-data),  (Spanish,XML,cleaned).

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Data quality might be a dimension. For example, the same data (Spanish, XML, raw-data), (Spanish,XML,cleaned). ←

13:50:57 <ericstephan> MakxDekkers:  Quality, guarentees, persistency over time, etc.

Makx Dekkers: Quality, guarentees, persistency over time, etc. ←

13:51:03 <PhilA> Am I hearing Makx offering to lead the work on the extension to DCAT to cover quality and commitment?

Phil Archer: Am I hearing Makx offering to lead the work on the extension to DCAT to cover quality and commitment? ←

13:51:03 <adler1> in addition to cultural, political, and financial factors, there are also organizational and legal practices to consider

Steven Adler: in addition to cultural, political, and financial factors, there are also organizational and legal practices to consider ←

13:51:04 <CarlosIglesias> need to know the challenges well before being able of start evaluating technical decissions

Carlos Iglesias: need to know the challenges well before being able of start evaluating technical decissions ←

13:51:20 <PhilA> ack JoaoPauloAlmeida

Phil Archer: ack JoaoPauloAlmeida ←

13:51:22 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida

Zakim IRC Bot: -JoaoPauloAlmeida ←

13:51:38 <PhilA> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me ←

13:51:40 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> sorry, call dropped :-(

Joao Almeida: sorry, call dropped :-( ←

13:51:52 <MTcarrasco> Dimensions - language, format, quality, time (previous versions)

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Dimensions - language, format, quality, time (previous versions) ←

13:51:55 <Zakim> +??P12

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←

13:52:00 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P12 is me

Joao Almeida: Zakim, ??P12 is me ←

13:52:00 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it ←

13:52:19 <ericstephan> PhilA:  Agreed with Makx, organizational aspects etc. W3C is a technical organization...technolgical details is fine

Phil Archer: Agreed with Makx, organizational aspects etc. W3C is a technical organization...technolgical details is fine ←

13:52:20 <MakxDekkers> q+

Makx Dekkers: q+ ←

13:52:57 <ericstephan> PhilA:  Recommends MakxDekkers for Data Quality Vocab

Phil Archer: Recommends MakxDekkers for Data Quality Vocab ←

13:53:02 <PhilA> ack MakxDekkers

Phil Archer: ack MakxDekkers ←

13:53:28 <gatemezi> +1 to PhilA recommendation

Ghislain Atemezing: +1 to PhilA recommendation ←

13:53:33 <ericstephan> +1

+1 ←

13:53:41 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> the call dropped when I was about to speak: It seems to me that before discussing "use cases" we need some basic concepts. We need to use the BP document from GLDWG, which already has a "process" for open data and other sources such as the cycle that Yaso presented.

Joao Almeida: the call dropped when I was about to speak: It seems to me that before discussing "use cases" we need some basic concepts. We need to use the BP document from GLDWG, which already has a "process" for open data and other sources such as the cycle that Yaso presented. ←

13:53:42 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/bp/index.html

Joao Almeida: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/bp/index.html ←

13:53:42 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1 ←

13:53:48 <antoine> MakxDekkers++

Antoine Isaac: MakxDekkers++ ←

13:54:08 <ericstephan> +1

+1 ←

13:54:13 <Seiji_Isotani> +1

Seiji Isotani: +1 ←

13:54:14 <gatemezi> +1

Ghislain Atemezing: +1 ←

13:54:15 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1

Joao Almeida: +1 ←

13:54:25 <ericstephan> No just agreeing with you

No just agreeing with you ←

13:55:06 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, mute me

Joao Almeida: Zakim, mute me ←

13:55:06 <Zakim> JoaoPauloAlmeida should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: JoaoPauloAlmeida should now be muted ←

13:55:08 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1 ←

13:55:10 <ericstephan> Steve: Put out article in magazine to make people more aware of what we are doing

Steven Adler: Put out article in magazine to make people more aware of what we are doing ←

13:55:28 <MakxDekkers> This? http://ibmdatamag.com/2014/01/data-open-to-the-masses/

Makx Dekkers: This? http://ibmdatamag.com/2014/01/data-open-to-the-masses/ ←

13:55:34 <PhilA> RRSAgent, make logs public

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, make logs public ←

13:55:48 <ericstephan> Steve:  IBM article gets 30-70K people looking at this

Steven Adler: IBM article gets 30-70K people looking at this ←

13:55:48 <PhilA> That's the one MakxDekkers

Phil Archer: That's the one MakxDekkers ←

13:56:04 <ericstephan> TOPIC FTF Meeting in London

TOPIC FTF Meeting in London ←

13:56:12 <ericstephan> Topic:  FTF Meeting in London

3. FTF Meeting in London

13:56:20 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+ ←

13:56:23 <MTcarrasco> mememto http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7089

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: memento http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7089 ←

13:56:32 <CarlosIglesias> Are dates for the F2F final?

Carlos Iglesias: Are dates for the F2F final? ←

13:56:33 <PhilA> Skeleton page in place on the wiki at https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014

Phil Archer: Skeleton page in place on the wiki at https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014 ←

13:56:45 <PhilA> ack antoine

Phil Archer: ack antoine ←

13:56:47 <MTcarrasco> s/mememto/memento/
13:56:47 <ericstephan> Steve:  Technical dimensions, cultural, political, organizational, language etc all in scope

Steven Adler: Technical dimensions, cultural, political, organizational, language etc all in scope ←

13:57:09 <ericstephan> Steve:  could be 1.5 to 2 full days

Steven Adler: could be 1.5 to 2 full days ←

13:57:41 <ericstephan> Steve:  March 31- April 1 Any problems with these days?

Steven Adler: March 31- April 1 Any problems with these days? ←

13:57:49 <ericstephan> q+

q+ ←

13:58:14 <MakxDekkers> mid-morning to mid-afternoon?

Makx Dekkers: mid-morning to mid-afternoon? ←

13:58:19 <PhilA> ack ericstephan

Phil Archer: ack ericstephan ←

13:58:44 <Vagner_Br> +1 to PhilA recommnedation

Vagner Diniz: +1 to PhilA recommnedation ←

13:58:45 <ericstephan> Steve:  Remote capabilities available

Steven Adler: Remote capabilities available ←

13:59:16 <ericstephan> Should we vote on this?

Should we vote on this? ←

13:59:25 <ericstephan> Or should we do this in email?

Or should we do this in email? ←

14:00:15 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+ ←

14:00:17 <ericstephan> Steve:  Local speakers could be brought in from other efforts

Steven Adler: Local speakers could be brought in from other efforts ←

14:00:45 <antoine> q?

Antoine Isaac: q? ←

14:00:51 <ericstephan> PhilA:  I believe that is off

Phil Archer: I believe that is off ←

14:01:00 <Vagner_Br> I suggest 2 full days. It is gonna be the first F2F meeting. Many issues to address.

Vagner Diniz: I suggest 2 full days. It is gonna be the first F2F meeting. Many issues to address. ←

14:01:04 <PhilA> +1 to Hadley

Phil Archer: +1 to Hadley ←

14:01:07 <ericstephan> oops you didn't say that PhilA - I was directing comment to you

oops you didn't say that PhilA - I was directing comment to you ←

14:02:11 <ericstephan> Steve:  First half of first day use cases and challenges as well as agenda.

Steven Adler: First half of first day use cases and challenges as well as agenda. ←

14:02:14 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> there could be "position statements" (how each of us perceive scope and intent)

Joao Almeida: there could be "position statements" (how each of us perceive scope and intent) ←

14:02:15 <MakxDekkers> Sorry, have to run. Will read minutes. Talk to you next week.

Makx Dekkers: Sorry, have to run. Will read minutes. Talk to you next week. ←

14:02:22 <Zakim> -Makx_Dekkers

Zakim IRC Bot: -Makx_Dekkers ←

14:02:33 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman: Hammer this out on wiki page

Hadley Beeman: Hammer this out on wiki page ←

14:02:37 <PhilA> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014

Phil Archer: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014 ←

14:02:54 <ericstephan> futuristic

futuristic ←

14:03:25 <PhilA> ack antoine

Phil Archer: ack antoine ←

14:03:52 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1

Joao Almeida: +1 ←

14:04:03 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> speakers should be very well selected...

Joao Almeida: speakers should be very well selected... ←

14:04:05 <ericstephan> Antoine:  The agenda to get people in from the Open Data movement in the UK.  Would this remove our focus?

Antoine Isaac: The agenda to get people in from the Open Data movement in the UK. Would this remove our focus? ←

14:04:19 <HadleyBeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+ ←

14:04:37 <ericstephan> Steve:  Not a workshop, just some speakers to help provide different points of view

Steven Adler: Not a workshop, just some speakers to help provide different points of view ←

14:04:48 <PhilA> How about guests cf. speakers? i.e. invite Jeni along for a session or two

Phil Archer: How about guests cf. speakers? i.e. invite Jeni along for a session or two ←

14:05:03 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman:  The more strongly we define the agenda the more we can avoid.

Hadley Beeman: The more strongly we define the agenda the more we can avoid. ←

14:05:31 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←

14:05:42 <gatemezi> thanks all!

Ghislain Atemezing: thanks all! ←

14:05:46 <PhilA> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-07

Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-07 ←

14:05:52 <gatemezi> -gatemezi

Ghislain Atemezing: -gatemezi ←

14:05:54 <Zakim> -antoine

Zakim IRC Bot: -antoine ←

14:05:59 <Zakim> -gatemezi

Zakim IRC Bot: -gatemezi ←

14:08:00 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> that's happing so often to me, I would like to understand why my calls drop after a while. And I am now using a different SIP provider, ...

Joao Almeida: that's happing so often to me, I would like to understand why my calls drop after a while. And I am now using a different SIP provider, ... ←

14:08:02 <Seiji_Isotani> lost connection

Seiji Isotani: lost connection ←

14:08:13 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> wow, Zakim, could me less strict :-0

Joao Almeida: wow, Zakim, could me less strict :-0 ←

14:08:18 <HadleyBeeman> What a shame!  Sorry.

Hadley Beeman: What a shame! Sorry. ←

14:08:40 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> can we set the time slot allocated for the conference differently, so that it keeps open at least for 30 minutes after the formal end of the call?

Joao Almeida: can we set the time slot allocated for the conference differently, so that it keeps open at least for 30 minutes after the formal end of the call? ←

14:11:10 <christianmiranda> srry guys, we gtg, seeyall

Christian Miranda: srry guys, we gtg, seeyall ←

14:11:43 <Zakim> -yaso

Zakim IRC Bot: -yaso ←

14:13:49 <Zakim> -ericstephan

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericstephan ←

14:17:14 <yaso> q+

Yaso Córdova: q+ ←

14:18:03 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman ←

14:18:05 <Zakim> -Steve

Zakim IRC Bot: -Steve ←

14:18:06 <yaso> -q

Yaso Córdova: -q ←

14:18:08 <Zakim> -PhilA

Zakim IRC Bot: -PhilA ←

14:18:11 <HadleyBeeman> q-

Hadley Beeman: q- ←

14:18:14 <Zakim> -CarlosIglesias

Zakim IRC Bot: -CarlosIglesias ←

14:18:31 <Zakim> -Yaso

Zakim IRC Bot: -Yaso ←

14:18:32 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()8:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: DATA_DWBP()8:00AM has ended ←

14:18:32 <Zakim> Attendees were Vinh, Seiji_Isotani, PhilA, Tcarrasco, Steve, Ivan, HadleyBeeman, +33.4.93.00.aaaa, ericstephan, +33.4.93.00.aabb, Makx_Dekkers, CarlosIglesias, Yaso,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Vinh, Seiji_Isotani, PhilA, Tcarrasco, Steve, Ivan, HadleyBeeman, +33.4.93.00.aaaa, ericstephan, +33.4.93.00.aabb, Makx_Dekkers, CarlosIglesias, Yaso, ←

14:18:32 <Zakim> ... +33.4.93.00.aacc, newton, antoine, JoaoPauloAlmeida, gatemezi

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +33.4.93.00.aacc, newton, antoine, JoaoPauloAlmeida, gatemezi ←

14:31:11 <PhilA> zakim, bye

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Phil Archer: zakim, bye ←



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