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15:02:16 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
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15:02:16 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 58 minutes
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15:02:17 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
15:02:17 <trackbot> Date: 09 December 2013
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15:52:40 <Zakim> +??P12
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15:57:03 <Zakim> +mijordan
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15:57:25 <ivan> zakim, code?
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15:57:25 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan
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15:57:55 <astearns> Will be late driving boy into school
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15:58:00 <Zakim> +ivan
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15:58:09 <Zakim> +dauwhe
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15:58:17 <ivan> zakim, who is noisy?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is noisy? ←
15:58:28 <Zakim> ivan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 4 (13%), ivan (9%)
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15:58:32 <Zakim> +Tzviya
Zakim IRC Bot: +Tzviya ←
15:58:45 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
15:58:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P12, mijordan, ivan, dauwhe, Tzviya
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P12, mijordan, ivan, dauwhe, Tzviya ←
15:58:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see Suzanne, tzviya, Luc, azaroth, LauraFowler, dshkolnik, fjh, mgylling, Bert, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, dauwhe_, m4nu, astearns, trackbot, plinss
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Suzanne, tzviya, Luc, azaroth, LauraFowler, dshkolnik, fjh, mgylling, Bert, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, dauwhe_, m4nu, astearns, trackbot, plinss ←
15:58:55 <Zakim> +laudrain
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15:59:04 <Zakim> +Suzanne_Taylor
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15:59:19 <Zakim> +??P36
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15:59:29 <mgylling> Zakim, ??P36 is mgylling
Markus Gylling: Zakim, ??P36 is mgylling ←
15:59:29 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mgylling; got it ←
15:59:55 <ivan> zakim, ??P12 is gcapiel
Ivan Herman: zakim, ??P12 is gcapiel ←
15:59:55 <Zakim> +gcapiel; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +gcapiel; got it ←
16:00:03 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
16:00:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see gcapiel, mijordan, ivan, dauwhe, Tzviya, laudrain, Suzanne_Taylor, mgylling
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see gcapiel, mijordan, ivan, dauwhe, Tzviya, laudrain, Suzanne_Taylor, mgylling ←
16:00:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see walkley, TomDN, Suzanne, tzviya, Luc, azaroth, LauraFowler, dshkolnik, fjh, mgylling, Bert, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, dauwhe_, m4nu, astearns, trackbot, plinss
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see walkley, TomDN, Suzanne, tzviya, Luc, azaroth, LauraFowler, dshkolnik, fjh, mgylling, Bert, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, dauwhe_, m4nu, astearns, trackbot, plinss ←
16:00:06 <Zakim> +[Ugent]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[Ugent] ←
16:00:09 <dshkolnik> Dmitry Shkolnik is on the phone too
Dmitry Shkolnik: Dmitry Shkolnik is on the phone too ←
16:00:15 <Zakim> + +1.505.603.aaaa
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16:00:15 <TomDN> zakim, +[Ugent] is me
Tom De Nies: zakim, +[Ugent] is me ←
16:00:16 <Zakim> sorry, TomDN, I do not recognize a party named '+[Ugent]'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, TomDN, I do not recognize a party named '+[Ugent]' ←
16:00:31 <TomDN> zakim, [Ugent] is me
Tom De Nies: zakim, [Ugent] is me ←
16:00:31 <Zakim> +TomDN; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +TomDN; got it ←
16:00:31 <azaroth> zakim, aaaa is azaroth
Robert Sanderson: zakim, aaaa is azaroth ←
16:00:32 <Zakim> +azaroth; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +azaroth; got it ←
16:00:37 <TomDN> zakim, mute me
Tom De Nies: zakim, mute me ←
16:00:37 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted
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16:00:42 <Zakim> -gcapiel
Zakim IRC Bot: -gcapiel ←
16:00:51 <Zakim> +??P38
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P38 ←
16:01:01 <TomDN> Zakim, Hajar is with TomDN
Tom De Nies: Zakim, Hajar is with TomDN ←
16:01:01 <Zakim> +duga
Zakim IRC Bot: +duga ←
16:01:02 <Zakim> +Hajar; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Hajar; got it ←
16:01:13 <Zakim> +??P39
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P39 ←
16:01:27 <walkley> Zakim, P38 is walkley
George Walkley: Zakim, P38 is walkley ←
16:01:27 <Zakim> sorry, walkley, I do not recognize a party named 'P38'
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16:01:28 <Zakim> +Vlad
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16:01:40 <Zakim> + +1.503.887.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.503.887.aabb ←
16:01:45 <ivan> zakim, ??P38 is walkley
Ivan Herman: zakim, ??P38 is walkley ←
16:01:45 <Zakim> +walkley; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +walkley; got it ←
16:01:54 <Zakim> +Bert
Zakim IRC Bot: +Bert ←
16:01:56 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
16:01:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see mijordan, ivan, dauwhe, Tzviya, laudrain, Suzanne_Taylor, mgylling, TomDN (muted), azaroth, walkley, duga, ??P39, Vlad, +1.503.887.aabb, Bert
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see mijordan, ivan, dauwhe, Tzviya, laudrain, Suzanne_Taylor, mgylling, TomDN (muted), azaroth, walkley, duga, ??P39, Vlad, +1.503.887.aabb, Bert ←
16:01:59 <Zakim> TomDN has TomDN, Hajar
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN has TomDN, Hajar ←
16:01:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see Vlad, Sharad, brady_duga, karen, Hajar, walkley, TomDN, Suzanne, tzviya, Luc, azaroth, LauraFowler, dshkolnik, fjh, mgylling, Bert, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, dauwhe_,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Vlad, Sharad, brady_duga, karen, Hajar, walkley, TomDN, Suzanne, tzviya, Luc, azaroth, LauraFowler, dshkolnik, fjh, mgylling, Bert, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, dauwhe_, ←
16:01:59 <Zakim> ... m4nu, astearns, trackbot, plinss
Zakim IRC Bot: ... m4nu, astearns, trackbot, plinss ←
16:02:05 <Vlad> zakim, who is here?
Vladimir Levantovsky: zakim, who is here? ←
16:02:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see mijordan, ivan, dauwhe, Tzviya, laudrain, Suzanne_Taylor, mgylling, TomDN (muted), azaroth, walkley, duga, ??P39, Vlad, +1.503.887.aabb, Bert
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see mijordan, ivan, dauwhe, Tzviya, laudrain, Suzanne_Taylor, mgylling, TomDN (muted), azaroth, walkley, duga, ??P39, Vlad, +1.503.887.aabb, Bert ←
16:02:09 <Zakim> TomDN has TomDN, Hajar
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN has TomDN, Hajar ←
16:02:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see Vlad, Sharad, brady_duga, karen, Hajar, walkley, TomDN, Suzanne, tzviya, Luc, azaroth, LauraFowler, dshkolnik, fjh, mgylling, Bert, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, dauwhe_,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Vlad, Sharad, brady_duga, karen, Hajar, walkley, TomDN, Suzanne, tzviya, Luc, azaroth, LauraFowler, dshkolnik, fjh, mgylling, Bert, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, dauwhe_, ←
16:02:09 <Zakim> ... m4nu, astearns, trackbot, plinss
Zakim IRC Bot: ... m4nu, astearns, trackbot, plinss ←
16:02:09 <Zakim> -??P39
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P39 ←
16:02:28 <Zakim> + +1.212.364.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.212.364.aacc ←
16:02:29 <ivan> zakim, aabb is Sharad
Ivan Herman: zakim, aabb is Sharad ←
16:02:29 <Zakim> +Sharad; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sharad; got it ←
16:02:36 <Zakim> +??P42
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P42 ←
16:03:02 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
16:03:03 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, [IPcaller] is me ←
16:03:03 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +fjh; got it ←
16:03:09 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
Frederick Hirsch: Present+ Frederick_Hirsch ←
16:03:17 <Zakim> +madi
Zakim IRC Bot: +madi ←
16:03:17 <ivan> zakim, ??P42 is gcapiel
Ivan Herman: zakim, ??P42 is gcapiel ←
16:03:17 <Zakim> +gcapiel; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +gcapiel; got it ←
16:03:21 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, who is here? ←
16:03:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see mijordan, ivan, dauwhe, Tzviya, laudrain, Suzanne_Taylor, mgylling, TomDN (muted), azaroth, walkley, duga, Vlad, Sharad, Bert, +1.212.364.aacc, gcapiel, fjh,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see mijordan, ivan, dauwhe, Tzviya, laudrain, Suzanne_Taylor, mgylling, TomDN (muted), azaroth, walkley, duga, Vlad, Sharad, Bert, +1.212.364.aacc, gcapiel, fjh, ←
16:03:24 <Zakim> ... madi
Zakim IRC Bot: ... madi ←
16:03:24 <Zakim> TomDN has TomDN, Hajar
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN has TomDN, Hajar ←
16:03:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see tmichel, Bill_Kasdorf, Vlad, Sharad, brady_duga, karen, Hajar, walkley, TomDN, Suzanne, tzviya, Luc, azaroth, LauraFowler, dshkolnik, fjh, mgylling, Bert, Zakim,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see tmichel, Bill_Kasdorf, Vlad, Sharad, brady_duga, karen, Hajar, walkley, TomDN, Suzanne, tzviya, Luc, azaroth, LauraFowler, dshkolnik, fjh, mgylling, Bert, Zakim, ←
16:03:24 <Zakim> ... RRSAgent, ivan, dauwhe_, m4nu, astearns, trackbot, plinss
Zakim IRC Bot: ... RRSAgent, ivan, dauwhe_, m4nu, astearns, trackbot, plinss ←
16:03:26 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf
Zakim IRC Bot: +Bill_Kasdorf ←
16:04:12 <Zakim> +??P48
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P48 ←
16:04:16 <tmichel> zakim, ??P48 is tmichel
Thierry Michel: zakim, ??P48 is tmichel ←
16:04:16 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +tmichel; got it ←
16:04:38 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute me
Tom De Nies: Zakim, unmute me ←
16:04:38 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should no longer be muted ←
16:04:48 <TomDN> +q
Tom De Nies: +q ←
16:04:49 <ivan> zakim, aacc is Phil_Madans
Ivan Herman: zakim, aacc is Phil_Madans ←
16:04:50 <Zakim> +Phil_Madans; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Phil_Madans; got it ←
16:05:15 <mgylling> scribe: TomDN
(Scribe set to Tom De Nies)
16:05:15 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me
Zakim, mute me ←
16:05:15 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted ←
16:05:48 <TomDN> mgylling: Asks Phil to introduce himself
Markus Gylling: Asks Phil to introduce himself ←
16:06:21 <TomDN> ?: I am the director of publishing standard for ? book group
Phil Madans: I am the director of publishing standard for Phil_Madans book group ←
16:06:45 <TomDN> ... interested in metadata, and joined the taskforce because of this
... interested in metadata, and joined the taskforce because of this ←
16:06:57 <TomDN> mgylling: You are warmly welcome!
Markus Gylling: You are warmly welcome! ←
16:07:18 <dauwhe_> s/?/Phil_Madans/
16:07:24 <Zakim> +Laura_Fowler
Zakim IRC Bot: +Laura_Fowler ←
16:07:26 <dauwhe_> s/?/Hachette/
16:07:42 <TomDN> Topic: CSS Shapes review - status
16:07:56 <TomDN> mgylling: We have an outstanding request to review CSS Shapes
Markus Gylling: We have an outstanding request to review CSS Shapes ←
16:07:59 <Bill_Kasdorf> Technically Hachette Book Group (HBG)
Bill Kasdorf: Technically Hachette Book Group (HBG) ←
16:08:13 <TomDN> ... Is there anyone on the call who would like to volunteer for this?
... Is there anyone on the call who would like to volunteer for this? ←
16:08:35 <TomDN> dave: I can take a look, but best effort
Dave Cramer: I can take a look, but best effort ←
16:09:23 <TomDN> ?: I had a look at it. Looks great. Happy to talk about it
Robert Sanderson: I had a look at it. Looks great. Happy to talk about it ←
16:09:40 <ivan> s/?/azaroth/
16:10:00 <Bert> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/201311282205.16558.bert@w3.org Bert's mail about css-shapes
Bert Bos: -> http://www.w3.org/mid/201311282205.16558.bert@w3.org Bert's mail about css-shapes ←
16:10:23 <TomDN> mgylling: please post findings to the list by Monday the 16th
Markus Gylling: please post findings to the list by Monday the 16th ←
16:10:50 <TomDN> Topic: This weeks focus theme: accessibility task force
16:11:57 <TomDN> mgylling: Last week we decided to have TF leads present some things for discussion for their own topic, to allow task forces to have an hour of quality discussion in their field
Markus Gylling: Last week we decided to have TF leads present some things for discussion for their own topic, to allow task forces to have an hour of quality discussion in their field ←
16:12:17 <TomDN> ... We will probably internally review this somewhere mid January.
... We will probably internally review this somewhere mid January. ←
16:12:23 <Zakim> +Stearns
Zakim IRC Bot: +Stearns ←
16:12:26 <TomDN> ... This week: Accessibility
... This week: Accessibility ←
16:12:52 <Suzanne> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Accessibility
Suzanne Taylor: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Accessibility ←
16:13:05 <TomDN> Suzanne: Let;s take a look at some of the data
Suzanne Taylor: Let;s take a look at some of the data ←
16:13:23 <TomDN> Suzanne: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Accessibility is the TF's main page
Suzanne Taylor: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Accessibility is the TF's main page ←
16:13:43 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
16:13:49 <TomDN> ... if you are interested in joining, please sign up there
... if you are interested in joining, please sign up there ←
16:13:51 <TomDN> -TomDN
-TomDN ←
16:14:02 <TomDN> -q
-q ←
16:14:31 <TomDN> tzviya: Don't know how my name got on there.
Tzviya Siegman: Don't know how my name got on there. ←
16:14:40 <tzviya> q-
Tzviya Siegman: q- ←
16:14:49 <TomDN> Suzanne: No problem, we can take you off
Suzanne Taylor: No problem, we can take you off ←
16:15:11 <TomDN> Suzanne: Our primary output document is the Use Cases
Suzanne Taylor: Our primary output document is the Use Cases ←
16:15:11 <Suzanne> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Accessibility_and_Personalization
Suzanne Taylor: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Accessibility_and_Personalization ←
16:15:42 <TomDN> Suzanne: We have a category on WCAG 2.0 & Education Environment / Educational Publishing
Suzanne Taylor: We have a category on WCAG 2.0 & Education Environment / Educational Publishing ←
16:15:55 <TomDN> .. also on Pre-School through Middle School
.. also on Pre-School through Middle School ←
16:16:43 <TomDN> ... For example: a child might need to ask an application for more time, but might not know exactly how much time
... For example: a child might need to ask an application for more time, but might not know exactly how much time ←
16:17:01 <Suzanne> Thea Eaton
Suzanne Taylor: Thea Eaton ←
16:17:05 <Suzanne> DoodleDoo
Suzanne Taylor: DoodleDoo ←
16:17:32 <TomDN> Suzanne: going through the categories
Suzanne Taylor: going through the categories ←
16:17:44 <TomDN> ... Specialized Subject Areas (e.g. Chemistry, Grammar, Poetry)
... Specialized Subject Areas (e.g. Chemistry, Grammar, Poetry) ←
16:18:06 <TomDN> ... What do we need in the standard for these? Especially for visual impairments
... What do we need in the standard for these? Especially for visual impairments ←
16:18:17 <TomDN> ... Next one is Allowing Versions
... Next one is Allowing Versions ←
16:18:45 <TomDN> ... ideally it would be the same W3C mechanism to make them possible
... ideally it would be the same W3C mechanism to make them possible ←
16:18:59 <TomDN> ... Also we have General Accessibility Use Cases
... ←
16:19:33 <TomDN> ... One example might be different math pronunciations
... One example might be different math pronunciations ←
16:20:00 <TomDN> s/Also we have General Accessibility Use Cases/
16:20:45 <TomDN> Suzanne: section on General Accessibility Use Cases has a bit of everything in there
Suzanne Taylor: section on General Accessibility Use Cases has a bit of everything in there ←
16:21:05 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
16:21:16 <astearns> zakim, who is noisy?
Alan Stearns: zakim, who is noisy? ←
16:21:27 <Zakim> astearns, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ivan (15%), laudrain (72%), gcapiel (13%)
Zakim IRC Bot: astearns, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ivan (15%), laudrain (72%), gcapiel (13%) ←
16:21:40 <TomDN> ?: One of the version use cases we have is crowdsourced based post-production
Gerardo Capiel: One of the version use cases we have is crowdsourced based post-production ←
16:21:45 <ivan> zakim, mute laudrain
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute laudrain ←
16:21:45 <Zakim> laudrain should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: laudrain should now be muted ←
16:21:54 <ivan> s/?/gcapiel/
16:22:03 <TomDN> ... e.g. A parent, expert, etc. could make additions after publication
... e.g. A parent, expert, etc. could make additions after publication ←
16:22:03 <Suzanne> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/SVGCrowdDesc
Suzanne Taylor: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/SVGCrowdDesc ←
16:22:24 <TomDN> ... e.g., alternate descriptions to images
... e.g., alternate descriptions to images ←
16:23:03 <TomDN> ... won't go into too much detail here
... won't go into too much detail here ←
16:23:23 <TomDN> ... Probably going to come some use cases out of the EDUPUB workshops
... Probably going to come some use cases out of the EDUPUB workshops ←
16:23:37 <TomDN> ... and Interactive Widgets group
... and Interactive Widgets group ←
16:23:57 <TomDN> Suzanne: Can you add the link?
Suzanne Taylor: Can you add the link? ←
16:24:15 <TomDN> gcapiel: Will do (or Marcus)
Gerardo Capiel: Will do (or Marcus) ←
16:24:27 <TomDN> ... Another example is MathML inside of SVG
... Another example is MathML inside of SVG ←
16:24:35 <Suzanne> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/MathSVGA11y
Suzanne Taylor: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/MathSVGA11y ←
16:24:57 <TomDN> ... They would at least show the graphical representation, and then the MathML underneath
... They would at least show the graphical representation, and then the MathML underneath ←
16:25:11 <Suzanne> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/MathSonifyA11y
Suzanne Taylor: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/MathSonifyA11y ←
16:25:44 <TomDN> ... There's some examples under the references on the wiki
... There's some examples under the references on the wiki ←
16:26:00 <Suzanne> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/SVGStructDesc
Suzanne Taylor: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/SVGStructDesc ←
16:26:08 <TomDN> ... Other work on adding HTML to SVG
... Other work on adding HTML to SVG ←
16:26:25 <Suzanne> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/SVGMediaQueriesA11y
Suzanne Taylor: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/SVGMediaQueriesA11y ←
16:26:43 <TomDN> ... Also something like Media Queries for stylesheets, but then for SVG
... Also something like Media Queries for stylesheets, but then for SVG ←
16:27:09 <TomDN> ... The idea is that one SVG file would have multiple modalities
... The idea is that one SVG file would have multiple modalities ←
16:27:26 <Suzanne> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/SVGReuse
Suzanne Taylor: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/SVGReuse ←
16:27:40 <TomDN> gcapiel: We also want to make it easier to use SVG across documents
Gerardo Capiel: We also want to make it easier to use SVG across documents ←
16:28:15 <TomDN> .., The whole idea is to better support the portability of image description
... The whole idea is to better support the portability of image description ←
16:28:23 <TomDN> s/..,/...
16:29:33 <TomDN> ... We also need to think about best practices around the recent schema.org accessibility metadata
... We also need to think about best practices around the recent schema.org accessibility metadata ←
16:29:46 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:29:50 <TomDN> ... plus all the other things that we haven't addressed
... plus all the other things that we haven't addressed ←
16:29:57 <TomDN> mgylling: Thank you.
Markus Gylling: Thank you. ←
16:30:01 <mgylling> ack Bill_Kasdorf
Markus Gylling: ack Bill_Kasdorf ←
16:30:34 <TomDN> Bill_Kasdorf: Amazing amount of content and detail
Bill Kasdorf: Amazing amount of content and detail ←
16:31:02 <TomDN> ... It's going to be important to keep in mind which of these are OWP issues and which are actually reading system implementation issues
... It's going to be important to keep in mind which of these are OWP issues and which are actually reading system implementation issues ←
16:32:07 <TomDN> ... When I say reading system I include assisting technology in this
... When I say reading system I include assisting technology in this ←
16:32:17 <gcapiel> q+
Gerardo Capiel: q+ ←
16:32:43 <TomDN> Bill_Kasdorf: for example the multiple languages for Math
Bill Kasdorf: for example the multiple languages for Math ←
16:32:46 <TomDN> Suzanne: Indeed something we need to talk about.
Suzanne Taylor: Indeed something we need to talk about. ←
16:32:50 <mgylling> ack gcapiel
Markus Gylling: ack gcapiel ←
16:33:00 <TomDN> ... but the /tagging/ definitly seems something for W3C
... but the /tagging/ definitly seems something for W3C ←
16:33:20 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:33:33 <TomDN> gcapiel: Not sure how quickly those problems will be solved. Which is why we are looking for things to solve them today.
Gerardo Capiel: Not sure how quickly those problems will be solved. Which is why we are looking for things to solve them today. ←
16:33:43 <TomDN> ... Good point about the languages
... Good point about the languages ←
16:33:57 <TomDN> ... also something to consider when doing alternative descriptions for images
... also something to consider when doing alternative descriptions for images ←
16:34:18 <TomDN> ... Maybe describethat could be used for the languages?
... Maybe describedat could be used for the languages? ←
16:35:08 <TomDN> Bill_Kasdorf: We must be careful to not bypass the natural accessibility of MathML
Bill Kasdorf: We must be careful to not bypass the natural accessibility of MathML ←
16:35:18 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
16:35:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see mijordan, ivan, dauwhe, Tzviya, laudrain (muted), Suzanne_Taylor, mgylling, TomDN (muted), azaroth, walkley, duga, Vlad, Sharad (muted), Bert, Phil_Madans,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see mijordan, ivan, dauwhe, Tzviya, laudrain (muted), Suzanne_Taylor, mgylling, TomDN (muted), azaroth, walkley, duga, Vlad, Sharad (muted), Bert, Phil_Madans, ←
16:35:19 <Zakim> ... gcapiel, fjh, madi, Bill_Kasdorf, tmichel, Laura_Fowler, Stearns
Zakim IRC Bot: ... gcapiel, fjh, madi, Bill_Kasdorf, tmichel, Laura_Fowler, Stearns ←
16:35:19 <Zakim> TomDN has TomDN, Hajar
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN has TomDN, Hajar ←
16:35:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see dauwhe, gcapiel, philm, madi_, tmichel, Bill_Kasdorf, Vlad, brady_duga, karen, walkley, TomDN, Suzanne, tzviya, azaroth, LauraFowler, dshkolnik, fjh, mgylling, Bert,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see dauwhe, gcapiel, philm, madi_, tmichel, Bill_Kasdorf, Vlad, brady_duga, karen, walkley, TomDN, Suzanne, tzviya, azaroth, LauraFowler, dshkolnik, fjh, mgylling, Bert, ←
16:35:23 <Zakim> ... Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, m4nu, astearns, trackbot, plinss
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, m4nu, astearns, trackbot, plinss ←
16:35:45 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
16:35:47 <TomDN> Suzanne: Good point. You would have a library for 4th grade math, 5th grade math, ....
Suzanne Taylor: Good point. You would have a library for 4th grade math, 5th grade math, .... ←
16:36:03 <TomDN> mgylling: So there are multiple questions here to be answered
Markus Gylling: So there are multiple questions here to be answered ←
16:36:17 <TomDN> ... First is: how do you include the content?
... First is: how do you include the content? ←
16:36:18 <gcapiel> aria-describedat https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/aria-unofficial/raw-file/tip/describedat.html
Gerardo Capiel: aria-describedat https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/aria-unofficial/raw-file/tip/describedat.html ←
16:36:41 <TomDN> ... second is query. how does the reader get to the right branch?
... second is query. how does the reader get to the right branch? ←
16:36:43 <mgylling> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/IndieUI/raw-file/default/src/indie-ui-context.html
Markus Gylling: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/IndieUI/raw-file/default/src/indie-ui-context.html ←
16:37:01 <TomDN> s/describethat/describedat
16:37:42 <TomDN> mgylling: so 1: "how do you author the content?", 2: "how do you query it?"
Markus Gylling: so 1: "how do you author the content?", 2: "how do you query it?" ←
16:38:26 <TomDN> ... One of the observations is that math languages might be considered a personalisation issue
... One of the observations is that math languages might be considered a personalisation issue ←
16:38:29 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:38:38 <TomDN> Suzanne: You could change allowing versions to personalisation
Suzanne Taylor: You could change allowing versions to personalisation ←
16:38:55 <TomDN> ... There's just some of the use cases that don't fit under that
... There's just some of the use cases that don't fit under that ←
16:38:56 <mgylling> ack ivan
Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←
16:39:06 <TomDN> ... Will look into dividing them up
... Will look into dividing them up ←
16:39:29 <TomDN> mgylling: Suzanne, you know a lot about ??
Markus Gylling: Suzanne, you know a lot about APIP ←
16:40:12 <gcapiel> IDPF interactive widgets work: https://github.com/idpf/widgets
Gerardo Capiel: IDPF interactive widgets work: https://github.com/idpf/widgets ←
16:40:13 <TomDN> ... Could you work on some clear examples/use cases for it? It's not clear for a lot of people
... Could you work on some clear examples/use cases for it? It's not clear for a lot of people ←
16:40:50 <Bill_Kasdorf> could someone put a clear reference to what Markus is talking about on the IRC?
Bill Kasdorf: could someone put a clear reference to what Markus is talking about on the IRC? ←
16:40:53 <mgylling> s/??/APIP
16:40:54 <Zakim> -Sharad
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sharad ←
16:40:56 <Zakim> +Sharad_Garg
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sharad_Garg ←
16:41:10 <Bill_Kasdorf> Plus a link, please
Bill Kasdorf: Plus a link, please ←
16:41:38 <TomDN> mgylling: just describe some scenarios where APIP would be the solution
Markus Gylling: just describe some scenarios where APIP would be the solution ←
16:41:48 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:41:48 <TomDN> Suzanne: will provide some examples
Suzanne Taylor: will provide some examples ←
16:42:03 <TomDN> ivan: coming back to the MathML issue.
Ivan Herman: coming back to the MathML issue. ←
16:42:12 <TomDN> ... Must disagree with Bill
... Must disagree with Bill ←
16:42:30 <TomDN> ... MathML as it is used, is not language-agnostic (presentation mathML)
... MathML as it is used, is not language-agnostic (presentation mathML) ←
16:42:36 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/arabic-math/ MathML in arabic context
Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/TR/arabic-math/ MathML in arabic context ←
16:43:04 <gcapiel> http://www.imsglobal.org/apip/
Gerardo Capiel: http://www.imsglobal.org/apip/ ←
16:43:22 <TomDN> ... e.g., MathML in arabic context. Includes examples of similar formulae in different languages
... e.g., MathML in arabic context. Includes examples of similar formulae in different languages ←
16:43:48 <TomDN> ... langauge-dependent stuff in presentation mathML is put in verbatim
... language-dependent stuff in presentation mathML is put in verbatim ←
16:43:59 <gcapiel> indie UI user preferences: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/IndieUI/raw-file/default/src/indie-ui-context.html
Gerardo Capiel: indie UI user preferences: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/IndieUI/raw-file/default/src/indie-ui-context.html ←
16:44:05 <TomDN> ... content MathML is extremely underused
... content MathML is extremely underused ←
16:44:07 <ivan> s/langauge/language/
16:44:31 <TomDN> gcapiel: It is used, for semantics
Gerardo Capiel: It is used, for semantics ←
16:44:40 <TomDN> Bill_Kasdorf: Also in the browser?
Bill Kasdorf: Also in the browser? ←
16:45:06 <TomDN> gcapiel: Yes, the semantics part. Seems to be language-agnostic.
Gerardo Capiel: Yes, the semantics part. Seems to be language-agnostic. ←
16:45:11 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:45:37 <TomDN> Ivan: But what about e.g. if-then constructs? They are not the same in some languages
Ivan Herman: But what about e.g. if-then constructs? They are not the same in some languages ←
16:46:20 <TomDN> gcapiel: that is text, but that cannot be evaluated automatically. The semantic part can, and there is no text in there
Gerardo Capiel: that is text, but that cannot be evaluated automatically. The semantic part can, and there is no text in there ←
16:46:23 <mgylling> ack Tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack Tzviya ←
16:46:36 <TomDN> tzviya: Another example: it's also based on culture
Tzviya Siegman: Another example: it's also based on culture ←
16:47:04 <TomDN> ... e.g. difference in cultural lingo
... e.g. difference in cultural lingo ←
16:48:33 <TomDN> ?: We should probably look into EPUB overlays, APIP, ...
Gerardo Capiel: We should probably look into EPUB overlays, APIP, ... ←
16:48:44 <ivan> s/?/gcapiel
16:48:57 <TomDN> LauraFowler: More than happy to work on some of the use cases
Laura Fowler: More than happy to work on some of the use cases ←
16:49:50 <TomDN> mgylling: Question for Laura in terms of next steps: Could you contribute a use case on semantics of ?
Markus Gylling: Question for Laura in terms of next steps: Could you contribute a use case on semantics of ? ←
16:49:53 <TomDN> LauraFowler: sure
Laura Fowler: sure ←
16:50:16 <TomDN> Suzanne: do you have an example of what's currently missing for Assessment?
Suzanne Taylor: do you have an example of what's currently missing for assessments? ←
16:50:32 <TomDN> s/Assessment/assessments
16:50:56 <TomDN> LauraFowler: Some came up at EDUPUB, and we will look into providing those in the course of this week
Laura Fowler: Some came up at EDUPUB, and we will look into providing those in the course of this week ←
16:51:16 <TomDN> mgylling: We'll need to provide an appropriate slot on the wiki
Markus Gylling: We'll need to provide an appropriate slot on the wiki ←
16:51:35 <TomDN> ... Next activities for Accessibility TF?
... Next activities for Accessibility TF? ←
16:51:52 <TomDN> Suzanne: Still entering use cases for another couple of weeks
Suzanne Taylor: Still entering use cases for another couple of weeks ←
16:52:02 <TomDN> ... then a few meetings with key participants
... then a few meetings with key participants ←
16:52:37 <TomDN> ... Might need some type of proposal towards solution, even though that's not our main task
... Might need some type of proposal towards solution, even though that's not our main task ←
16:52:59 <TomDN> ... with some technical details. Especially for layers, versions, ...
... with some technical details. Especially for layers, versions, ... ←
16:53:41 <TomDN> mgylling: Building flowcharts and such is always welcome
Markus Gylling: Building flowcharts and such is always welcome ←
16:54:14 <TomDN> mgylling: Are there more placeholders coming to the wiki page from you?
Markus Gylling: Are there more placeholders coming to the wiki page from you? ←
16:54:24 <TomDN> Suzanne: Not much more, other than details
Suzanne Taylor: Not much more, other than details ←
16:54:38 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:54:52 <TomDN> ... the basic things have been mentioned on the call, or on the wiki
... the basic things have been mentioned on the call, or on the wiki ←
16:55:13 <TomDN> gcapiel: There's a lot of stuff that got started, that needs more detail underneath it
Gerardo Capiel: There's a lot of stuff that got started, that needs more detail underneath it ←
16:55:30 <Zakim> -duga
Zakim IRC Bot: -duga ←
16:56:03 <TomDN> mgylling: Question to the group: Are there any specialists/experts that we need to bring to the table?
Markus Gylling: Question to the group: Are there any specialists/experts that we need to bring to the table? ←
16:56:39 <TomDN> Suzanne: We need more input for [did not hear]
Suzanne Taylor: We need more input for K12 and Math ←
16:56:55 <mgylling> s/[did not hear]/K12 and Math
16:57:07 <TomDN> ivan: there's an overlay to the TF of Jean in that sense
Ivan Herman: there's an overlay to the TF of Jean in that sense ←
16:57:25 <tmichel> rrsagent, draft minutes
Thierry Michel: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:57:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/09-dpub-minutes.html tmichel
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/09-dpub-minutes.html tmichel ←
16:57:29 <TomDN> Topic: Next weeks theme
16:57:59 <TomDN> mgylling: Who want to go next week?
Markus Gylling: Who want to go next week? ←
16:58:07 <TomDN> ... Suggestion: Rob
... Suggestion: Rob ←
16:58:42 <Zakim> -laudrain
Zakim IRC Bot: -laudrain ←
16:58:52 <TomDN> Robert Sanderson: sure. Would be good that the Annotation TF is bigger than it's current size by then (1 member)
Robert Sanderson: sure. Would be good that the Annotation TF is bigger than it's current size by then (1 member) ←
16:59:34 <TomDN> ... especially publishers. Of course others also welcome
... especially publishers. Of course others also welcome ←
16:59:34 <Zakim> -fjh
Zakim IRC Bot: -fjh ←
17:00:20 <TomDN> mgylling: I would like to volunteer to read through it all
Markus Gylling: I would like to volunteer to read through it all ←
17:00:30 <TomDN> ... anyone else?
... anyone else? ←
17:01:10 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
17:01:19 <TomDN> ivan: Question which might help people decide: ATM there are 3 places where annotation is being discussed: Rob's group, IDPF, and this TF
Ivan Herman: Question which might help people decide: ATM there are 3 places where annotation is being discussed: Rob's group, IDPF, and this TF ←
17:01:43 <mgylling> ack tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack tzviya ←
17:01:47 <TomDN> ... Curious as to how these overlap/work together/ ...
... Curious as to how these overlap/work together/ ... ←
17:01:59 <liza> I get "the conference is restricted" on the phone
Liza Daly: I get "the conference is restricted" on the phone ←
17:02:27 <TomDN> ?: Comment: I know it's a very busy period for publishers. Maybe in January there will be more feedback
?: Comment: I know it's a very busy period for publishers. Maybe in January there will be more feedback ←
17:02:51 <liza> Whoops, timezones
Liza Daly: Whoops, timezones ←
17:02:54 <Zakim> -gcapiel
Zakim IRC Bot: -gcapiel ←
17:02:57 <Zakim> -madi
Zakim IRC Bot: -madi ←
17:02:59 <Zakim> -Laura_Fowler
Zakim IRC Bot: -Laura_Fowler ←
17:03:00 <Zakim> -Tzviya
Zakim IRC Bot: -Tzviya ←
17:03:00 <tmichel> rrsagent, draft minutes
Thierry Michel: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
17:03:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/09-dpub-minutes.html tmichel
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/09-dpub-minutes.html tmichel ←
17:03:05 <Zakim> -azaroth
Zakim IRC Bot: -azaroth ←
17:03:05 <Zakim> -mgylling
Zakim IRC Bot: -mgylling ←
17:03:05 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute me
Zakim, unmute me ←
17:03:05 <Zakim> -Sharad_Garg
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sharad_Garg ←
17:03:05 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should no longer be muted ←
17:03:05 <Zakim> -Bill_Kasdorf
Zakim IRC Bot: -Bill_Kasdorf ←
17:03:05 <Zakim> -mijordan
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17:03:05 <Zakim> -Phil_Madans
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17:03:08 <Zakim> -ivan
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17:03:20 <Zakim> -tmichel
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17:03:40 <TomDN> Does anyone generate the minutes from here?
Does anyone generate the minutes from here? ←
17:03:56 <liza> No, Markus, it's right, I was going from the last time I attended which must've been before DST changed
Liza Daly: No, Markus, it's right, I was going from the last time I attended which must've been before DST changed ←
17:03:57 <mgylling> TomDN, yes, tmichel already did
Markus Gylling: TomDN, yes, tmichel already did ←
17:04:08 <liza> My apologies
17:04:15 <TomDN> ok, thanks!
ok, thanks! ←
17:04:17 <TomDN> bye
bye ←
17:04:22 <Zakim> -TomDN
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17:04:24 <Zakim> SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has ended
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17:04:24 <Zakim> Attendees were mijordan, ivan, dauwhe, Tzviya, laudrain, Suzanne_Taylor, mgylling, gcapiel, +1.505.603.aaaa, TomDN, azaroth, duga, Hajar, Vlad, +1.503.887.aabb, walkley, Bert,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were mijordan, ivan, dauwhe, Tzviya, laudrain, Suzanne_Taylor, mgylling, gcapiel, +1.505.603.aaaa, TomDN, azaroth, duga, Hajar, Vlad, +1.503.887.aabb, walkley, Bert, ←
17:04:24 <Zakim> ... +1.212.364.aacc, Sharad, fjh, madi, Bill_Kasdorf, tmichel, Phil_Madans, Laura_Fowler, Stearns, Sharad_Garg
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.212.364.aacc, Sharad, fjh, madi, Bill_Kasdorf, tmichel, Phil_Madans, Laura_Fowler, Stearns, Sharad_Garg ←
17:04:26 <mgylling> TomDN gets massive amount of karma points for scribing
Markus Gylling: TomDN gets massive amount of karma points for scribing ←
17:05:25 <liza> I'm an idiot!
17:06:37 <Suzanne> oh, we've all done it ;-)
Suzanne Taylor: oh, we've all done it ;-) ←
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