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<trackbot> Date: 20 November 2013
<scribe> scribe: markus
<ericP> +1
<PatH> +1
guus: propose to accept the minutes of last week's telecon
RESOLUTION: accept minutes of last week's telecon
guus: there are 3
actions...
... all three actions are now done
... objections?
... we'll put ACTION-98 on the agenda next week
davidwood: I hope to have something for the next telecon regarding ACTION-193
guus: closing ACTION-268 (actions are for concrete actions)
<PatH> I should be able to attend (from the USA)
guus: antoine, I suggest you include Sandro's boxed datasets to section 4 to your note
<AZ> yes, please send the link
guus: section 3 looks very complete but section 4 needs more work
gkellogg: nothing new but the
traffic on the mailing list suggests that people are working on
implementations
... we are also waiting for a couple of tests from, e.g., Peter
Ansell
... the reports haven't been updated yet
... they don't contain the new tests
... we have no implementations which pass the new tests
yet
... will re-generate the reports as soon as andy and I updated
our implementations
guus: ok.. the only problem I see
is the semantics test suite
... peter approached a number of people
... we could have a timing problem here.. we need to get this
done till middle of december
... someone willing or planning to do an implementation for the
semantics tests?
... if we make no progress till next week we may need to do
some emergency actions, i.e., work ourselves on
implementations
ericP: it's difficult to get reponses from commenters
<AndyS> Also reply re ISSUE-172
<PatH> +1 to not changing anything now.
http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#dfn-rdf-term
<AZ> Henry Story has just sent RESOLVED
<AndyS> TriG / Bare collections http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Nov/0080.html
ACTION for davidwood to describe how SPARQL datasets relate to RDF datasets in RDF Concepts
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ACTION davidwood to describe how SPARQL datasets relate to RDF datasets in RDF Concepts
<trackbot> Created ACTION-326 - Describe how sparql datasets relate to rdf datasets in rdf concepts [on David Wood - due 2013-11-27].
<ericP> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#c3 marked resolved. now to pester David Robillard...
gregg: I think TriG compatiblity with N3 is more on the syntactic level not semantic
andys: not sure.. it talks about provenance etc.
<PatH> Peter, do you have any news of progress on semantics text suite implementations?? We were discussing this earlier.
<Guus> this is not a WG requirement, so let's not spend too much time on it
<PatH> text/test
gregg: a solution would be to disallow bare graphs
<PatH> graph modesty should be accepted by all civilized people.
guus: how much time do we wanna spend on this? it's not a WG requirement
andys: I propose we do no nothing.. it's too late
sandro: we are not doing N3 so
compatibility to Turtle is most important
... we are moving towards SPARQL-style
... at some point we should deprecate the other forms
<PatH> bare graphs and now content sniffing? This is getting out of hand.
<pfps> I haven't heard back from anyone on entailment implementations, except for initial ACKs.
gregg: a problem in practice is that sometimes it becomes very difficult to tell what format a file is in by just looking at its content
<PatH> OK tnx.
<AndyS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Nov/0090.html
guus: TriG compatibility with N-Quads
andys: there's a proposed reply
here
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Nov/0090.html
... not really what the commenter asked for but should resolve
the issue
<PatH> Is there a less squirrely change to the grammar that would get the quads he wants?
andys: TriG and Turtle are "human-readable" formats.. N-Quads/N-Triples are intended for data dumps
guus: I can live with this proposed response
gkellogg: I agree with andy
path: I agree but think we talk about "human readable" etc. in the response
<AndyS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Nov/0094.html
andys: "Escaped characters in
N-Triples" indirectly affects all syntaxes
... I'm wondering if the change was intentional or if it was an
editorial mistake
... if we don't know.. we have to make a decision
... we can be liberal.. counterargument: it introduces more
ways to write the same thing
guus: we should be consistent
across our syntaxes and we shouldn't introduce major design
changes
... I'll go with the majority
andys: I don't care.. I don't
believe in canonical N-Triples
... if we remove it it's a change to the CR docs so it's
probably better to leave it as-is
gregg: should we add a syntax test or be completely silent on it?
<FabGandon> ok
andys: we should do nothing (it should have been a negative syntax test)
<FabGandon> Status
<FabGandon> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-RDF-XML
<AndyS> AndyS: do not want to add a negative syntax test for \' if we decide to not have \' formally in NT and Nq
FabGandon: 1-4 are done
... 5-6 are open errata
... I need someone else to take a look to make sure I don't
make a mistake
... 7 should probably not be done
... 8 is done
ACTION guus to review proposed changes in http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-RDF-XML
<trackbot> Created ACTION-327 - Review proposed changes in http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/tf-rdf-xml [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-11-27].
guus: we can only do this if we publish this as revised proposed recommendation in december
<Arnaud> sorry, got to go
guus: any reviewers for primer?
<pchampin> I volunteer to review it
<PatH> I volunteer. Can I make some suggested edits to it?
<PatH> Thats where I will bite first :-)
guus: RDF schema document is in
good shape
... there's a link with a diff to the previous version
... I did a number of edits... could someone review them?
davidwood: I'll do as soon as I'm done with my other actions
guus: adjourned
<pfps> I looked over the initial set of edits to RDF Schema, and they all looked OK, I think.
<Guus> trackbot, end meeting
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