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WCAG Working Group Teleconference

29 Oct 2013

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Michael_Cooper, Kathleen_Anderson, Bruce_Bailey, Marc_Johlic, David_MacDonald, James_Nurthen, Joshue, kerstin
Regrets
Kathy_Wahlbin, Alan
Chair
AWK
Scribe
Bruce

Contents


<AWK> Scribe: Bruce

<AWK> Online comment form for WCAG, Techs, and Understanding: http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/comments/onlineform

Ad hoc discussion of commenting process

Update on Mobile TF

Michael and AWK briefed

Official kickoff has not happened, but starting soon

October 29 survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Oct29_2013/

1. Comment LC-2857: Draft response to Captions Technique

RESOLUTION: Accepted Response as proposed

2. Comment LC-2858: Providing descriptive link text in spacer gif alt tag

RESOLUTION: Accept response as amended.

3. Owners needed to complete proposed techniques

AWK shared some background on survey item

Looking for volunteers on drafting examples

https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Oct29_2013/results#x2663

Bruce and David volunteer

Previous survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20131008comments/results#x0001

<AWK> ACTION: Bruce to work with David on creating clear list of edits for http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2-techs/2013May/0001.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/29-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-227 - Work with david on creating clear list of edits for http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-wcag2-techs/2013may/0001.html [on Bruce Bailey - due 2013-11-05].

<AWK> ACTION: Bruce to work with David on creating clear list of edits for http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2-techs/2012Jan/0001.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/29-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-228 - Work with david on creating clear list of edits for http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-wcag2-techs/2012jan/0001.html [on Bruce Bailey - due 2013-11-05].

RESOLUTION: closed

4. Comment LC-2861: Draft response to Techniques should be scoped by Succescriterium

https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Oct29_2013/results#xtechsc2

<AWK> F62: http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/F62.html

F62: Failure of Success Criterion 1.3.1 and 4.1.1 due to insufficient information in DOM to determine specific relationships in XML

Discuss that w/ HTML 5, irrelevant reference in FOR attribute is validation error

With XML and HTML 4, spurious references in FOR attribute do *not* cause validation errors

<MichaelC> the content fails Success Criterion 4.1.1.

MichaelC made editorial note that technique may need to be split into two separate techniques

<MichaelC> the content fails Success Criterion 1.3.1.

Concurrence with commenter that there is reason for concern.

Discuss if we need to split HTML as separate use case.

<AWK> ISSUE: F62 may need to be modified to encompass HTML4/5

<trackbot> Created ISSUE-13 - F62 may need to be modified to encompass html4/5. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/13/edit>.

Discuss proposed response to commenter.

RESOLUTION: Accept response as amended.

Continue techniques review https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Techsreview15thOct2013/

1. [Start here on 22nd Oct] Update of using role=heading

Discuss phrasing.

<David_MacD_Lenovo> AWK https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Techsreview15thOct2013/results

<David_MacD_Lenovo> AWK https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Techsreview15thOct2013/results

Discuss what happens when no ARIA level specified.

<Joshue108> +q

<Joshue108> -q

<Joshue108> +q to say that maybe some verbiage saying Example 2 illustrates an edge case of some sort

<Zakim> Joshue, you wanted to say that maybe some verbiage saying Example 2 illustrates an edge case of some sort

Discuss best way to address examples which are not best practices

<kerstin> hi

Some testing w/ screen readers

Discuss, looking for good model use case of leaving out specific ARIA level

Suggestion that syndication is a good use case

<jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_role%3Dheading_to_identify_headings#Example_1

<Joshue108> I've updated the example http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_role%3Dheading_to_identify_headings#Example_1

<AWK> "Often, heading elements will be referenced with the aria-labelledby attribute of the section for which they serve as a heading"

<jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/#kbd_layout_nesting

<jamesn> 3.2.7.3.1. Header Levels Versus Nesting Levels

Josh update example to use sydication

RESOLUTION: Accept response as amended.

<Joshue108> done

<AWK> ISSUE: Group needs to decide on right level of user agent support for the notes on individual techniques.

<trackbot> Created ISSUE-14 - Group needs to decide on right level of user agent support for the notes on individual techniques.. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/14/edit>.

Note that time zones are changing, might be back in sync next week

<AWK> Note: We stopped on the Oct 15 survey after finishing the first item. We need to address #s 2, 3, 5, and 7

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Bruce to work with David on creating clear list of edits for http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2-techs/2012Jan/0001.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/29-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Bruce to work with David on creating clear list of edits for http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2-techs/2013May/0001.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/29-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01]
 
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