IRC log of wai-wcag on 2013-10-29
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- meeting: WCAG Working Group Teleconference
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- chair: AWK
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- regrets: Kathy Wahlbin, Alan
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- I am not finding the meeting announcement
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- WHat do you mean?
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- yes, the email
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- s/WHat do you mean?/
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- s/I am not finding the meeting announcement/
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- s/yes, the email/
- 15:00:54 [MichaelC]
- zakim, this is 9224
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- ok, MichaelC; that matches WAI_WCAG()11:00AM
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- +??P14
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- agenda+ October 29 survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Oct29_2013/
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- zakim, ??P14 is Michael_Cooper
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- +Michael_Cooper; got it
- 15:01:07 [MichaelC]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- On the phone I see Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Michael_Cooper
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- +Kathleen_Anderson
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- agenda+ Continue techniques review https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Techsreview15thOct2013/
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- agenda+ Update on Mobile TF
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- Scribe: Bruce
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- Online comment form for WCAG, Techs, and Understanding: http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/comments/onlineform
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- Ad hoc discussion of commenting process
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- +Marc_Johlic
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- +[IPcaller]
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- zakim, IPcaller is David_MacDonald
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- +David_MacDonald; got it
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- q+
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- ack ka
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- thank you
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- s/thank you/
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- Zakim, Agenda?
- 15:10:44 [Zakim]
- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
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- 1. October 29 survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Oct29_2013/ [from AWK]
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- 2. Continue techniques review https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Techsreview15thOct2013/ [from AWK]
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- 3. Update on Mobile TF [from AWK]
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- Zakim, who is on the phone?
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- On the phone I see Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Michael_Cooper, Kathleen_Anderson, Bruce_Bailey, Marc_Johlic, David_MacDonald
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- Zakim, take up item 3
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- agendum 3. "Update on Mobile TF" taken up [from AWK]
- 15:13:07 [BBailey]
- Michael and AWK briefed
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- Official kickoff has not happened, but starting soon
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- zakim, mute me
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- sorry, BBailey, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
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- Zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "October 29 survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Oct29_2013/" taken up [from AWK]
- 15:13:57 [BBailey]
- zakim, i am Bruce_Bailey
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- ok, BBailey, I now associate bbailey with Bruce_Bailey
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- zakim, mute me
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- Bruce_Bailey should now be muted
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- zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "October 29 survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Oct29_2013/" taken up [from AWK]
- 15:14:42 [BBailey]
- TOPIC: 1. Comment LC-2857: Draft response to Captions Technique
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- RESOLUTION: Accepted Response as proposed
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- TOPIC: 2. Comment LC-2858: Providing descriptive link text in spacer gif alt tag
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- zakim, unmute me
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- 15:20:25 [David_MacD_Lenovo]
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- RESOLUTION: Accept response as amended.
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- TOPIC: 3. Owners needed to complete proposed techniques
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- AWK shared some background on survey item
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- q+
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- ack d
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- Looking for volunteers on drafting examples
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- https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Oct29_2013/results#x2663
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- Bruce and David volunteer
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- Previous survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20131008comments/results#x0001
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- ACTION: Bruce to work with David on creating clear list of edits for http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2-techs/2013May/0001.html
- 15:27:06 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-227 - Work with david on creating clear list of edits for http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-wcag2-techs/2013may/0001.html [on Bruce Bailey - due 2013-11-05].
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- ACTION: Bruce to work with David on creating clear list of edits for http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2-techs/2012Jan/0001.html
- 15:28:19 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-228 - Work with david on creating clear list of edits for http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-wcag2-techs/2012jan/0001.html [on Bruce Bailey - due 2013-11-05].
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- RESOLUTION: closed
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- TOPIC: 4. Comment LC-2861: Draft response to Techniques should be scoped by Succescriterium
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- https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Oct29_2013/results#xtechsc2
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- zakim, mute me
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- Bruce_Bailey should now be muted
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- F62: http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/F62.html
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- zakim, unmute me
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- F62: Failure of Success Criterion 1.3.1 and 4.1.1 due to insufficient information in DOM to determine specific relationships in XML
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- Discuss that w/ HTML 5, irrelevant reference in FOR attribute is validation error
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- With XML and HTML 4, spurious references in FOR attribute do *not* cause validation errors
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- q+
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- +James_Nurthen
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- the content fails Success Criterion 4.1.1.
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- MichaelC made editorial note that technique may need to be split into two separate techniques
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- the content fails Success Criterion 1.3.1.
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/29-wai-wcag-minutes.html jamesn
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- q+
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- ack d
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- Concurrence with commenter that there is reason for concern.
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- Discuss if we need to split HTML as separate use case.
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- ISSUE: F62 may need to be modified to encompass HTML4/5
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- Created ISSUE-13 - F62 may need to be modified to encompass html4/5. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/13/edit>.
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- ack k
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- Discuss proposed response to commenter.
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/29-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
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- RESOLUTION: Accept response as amended.
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- Zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 2. "Continue techniques review https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Techsreview15thOct2013/" taken up [from AWK]
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- TOPIC: 1. [Start here on 22nd Oct] Update of using role=heading
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- q+
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- zakim, mute me
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- Bruce_Bailey should now be muted
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- Discuss phrasing.
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- +[IPcaller]
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- zakim, [IPcaller] is Joshue
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- +Joshue; got it
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- AWKhttps://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Techsreview15thOct2013/results
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- AWKhttps://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Techsreview15thOct2013/results
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- q+
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- Discuss what happens when no ARIA level specified.
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- On the phone I see Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Michael_Cooper, Kathleen_Anderson, Bruce_Bailey (muted), Marc_Johlic, David_MacDonald, James_Nurthen, Joshue
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- +[IPcaller]
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/29-wai-wcag-minutes.html Joshue108
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- -[IPcaller]
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- zakim, who is noisy?
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- Joshue108, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Marc_Johlic (4%), Joshue (4%), Andrew_Kirkpatrick (80%)
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- +q
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- ack David
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- -q
- 16:12:47 [Joshue108]
- +q to say that maybe some verbiage saying Example 2 illustrates an edge case of some sort
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- Zakim, queue?
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- I see Joshue on the speaker queue
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- ack j
- 16:13:14 [Zakim]
- Joshue, you wanted to say that maybe some verbiage saying Example 2 illustrates an edge case of some sort
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- Discuss best way to address examples which are not best practices
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- +[IPcaller]
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- hi
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- zakim, ipcaller is me
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- +kerstin; got it
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- zakim, mute me
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- kerstin should now be muted
- 16:21:19 [BBailey]
- Some testing w/ screen readers
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- Discuss, looking for good model use case of leaving out specific ARIA level
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- Suggestion that syndication is a good use case
- 16:24:53 [jamesn]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_role%3Dheading_to_identify_headings#Example_1
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- Zakim, queue?
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- I see no one on the speaker queue
- 16:26:19 [Joshue108]
- I've updated the example http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_role%3Dheading_to_identify_headings#Example_1
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- "Often, heading elements will be referenced with the aria-labelledby attribute of the section for which they serve as a heading"
- 16:27:54 [jamesn]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/#kbd_layout_nesting
- 16:28:01 [Joshue108]
- Ok, updated again
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- 3.2.7.3.1. Header Levels Versus Nesting Levels
- 16:28:37 [BBailey]
- s/Ok, updated again/
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- Josh update example to use sydication
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- -James_Nurthen
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- RESOLUTION: Accept response as amended.
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- done
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- ISSUE: Group needs to decide on right level of user agent support for the notes on individual techniques.
- 16:33:14 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-14 - Group needs to decide on right level of user agent support for the notes on individual techniques.. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/14/edit>.
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- zakim, unmute me
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- Bruce_Bailey should no longer be muted
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- done
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- s/done/
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- Note that time zones are changing, might be back in sync next week
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/29-wai-wcag-minutes.html Joshue108
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- -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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- -Joshue
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- -Kathleen_Anderson
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- -David_MacDonald
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- -Michael_Cooper
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- -kerstin
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- WAI_WCAG()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Michael_Cooper, Kathleen_Anderson, Bruce_Bailey, Marc_Johlic, David_MacDonald, James_Nurthen, Joshue, kerstin
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- Note: We stopped on the Oct 15 survey after finishing the first item. We need to address #s 2, 3, 5, and 7
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/29-wai-wcag-minutes.html AWK
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