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Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference

20 Aug 2013

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Attendees

Present
David_MacDonald, Peter_Korn, Joshue, AWK, Michael_Cooper, Loretta, Marc_Johlic, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Kathy_Wahlbin
Regrets
Chair
AWK
Scribe
marcjohlic

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 20 August 2013

<MichaelC> chair: Andrew_Kirkpatrick

<scribe> scribe: marcjohlic

Comment LC-2825: The text for the SC 3.3.2 intent is not worded right

RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed

<Joshue> yup

Comment LC-2826: H50 not helpful to anyone

AWK: If this technique works - see no reason to remove it

PK: Is this technique a11y supported?

<Joshue> +q

LGR: Believe this was back in the days when we were looking for techniques that would be appropriate for this SC. Can't say that I've ever seen anyone using this technique

JoC: Never seen it in use myself

<Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say I hear a lot of assertions that it hasn´t been seen, but none that say ¨I know it is not accessibility supported¨. I need that before agreeing to

DM: Never come across it either. Believe there's a point in not keeping things around just for historical reasons
... Going to test it in 3 or 4 browsers and couple screen readers and will have an answer in a few mins

<Joshue> Good point

LGR: No browser supports this as a way for skipping links

DM: Will also test with keyboard access

<Joshue> +q to say if AT push worked well I'd be happy to re-instate it as a methodology

<Joshue> -q

RESOLUTION: Leaving open pending results from David's testing

Comment LC-2810: Poor Example in SCR20

<AWK> "1 Although click is in principle a mouse event handler, most HTML and XHTML user agents process this event when the control is activated, regardless of whether it was activated with the mouse or the keyboard. In practice, therefore, it is not necessary to duplicate this event. It is included here for completeness since non-HTML user agents do have this issue."

<Joshue> +q

<Loretta> "when the control is activated" -> "when an HTML native control such as a button or link is activated"

<David> Results: test page http://davidmacd.com/test/maptest.html works in keyboard in chrome, IE, FF, NVDA, JAWS14 VoiceOVER in Safari on Mac OS mountainlion... COMPLETE SUPPORT!

<Joshue> +q

<Joshue> -q

RESOLUTION: Leaving open pending draft update from Loretta

Comment LC-2826: H50 not helpful to anyone

David's test results: Results: test page http://davidmacd.com/test/maptest.html works in keyboard in chrome, IE, FF, NVDA, JAWS14 VoiceOVER in Safari on Mac OS mountainlion... COMPLETE SUPPORT!

(Returning to this earlier topic to discuss David's results)

<Joshue> +q

JoC: Did it announce the Navigation bar title?

DM: No - it did not announce anything. It didn't interfere with anything.

Does not appear to offering true grouping

RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed

<AWK> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAG_Aug20_2013/results

Comment LC-2799: Specifying consistent page numbering for PDF documents

RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed

Comment LC-2808: EOWG comments

RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed

Comment LC-2796: Firefox supports zoom

RESOLUTION: Accepting JN's comments and inserting verbatim (accepted as proposed).

Comment LC-2800: PDF lists

RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended

Comment LC-2790: Using aria-describedby to provide descriptions of objects

<Loretta> Response to issue 2810 has been updated.

<Joshue> thanks Loretta

<Joshue> +q

<Joshue> +q

<Joshue> -q

<AWK> Comments on current issue: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAG_Aug20_2013/results#x2663

RESOLUTION: Leave open

Comment LC-2791: Techniques for WCAG 2.0 H45 longdesc: Missing on-page description example

<Joshue> +q

<Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say there is a careful balance to not kill longdesc while developing the next solution

<Joshue> +q to ask if we need to support longdesc

<Zakim> Joshue, you wanted to ask if we need to support longdesc

<David> Longdesc test page http://davidmacd.com/test/longdesc.html

<scribe> ACTION: AWK to add in page examples to H45 with comments about current support [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/08/20-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-211 - Add in page examples to h45 with comments about current support [on Andrew Kirkpatrick - due 2013-08-27].

RESOLUTION: Leave open pending ACTION-211

Comment LC-2810: Poor Example in SCR20

LGR updated response to LC-2810

<Joshue> looks good Loretta

RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended

Comment LC-2792: Techniques for WCAG 2.0 H45 longdesc: User agent support

<Zakim> Loretta, you wanted to say that because the description addresses all mouse handlers, and not just click handlers, I don't think we need to edit it.

RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended

Comment LC-2798: Include G88

<scribe> ACTION: AWK to add "Providing a page title which serves as a mechanism to locate a page" as a future technique to future technique list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/08/20-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-212 - Add "providing a page title which serves as a mechanism to locate a page" as a future technique to future technique list [on Andrew Kirkpatrick - due 2013-08-27].

RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended

Comment LC-2784: Focus Visible Understanding SC 2.4.7 Loophole

<Joshue> ?me :-)

RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended

Comment LC-2785: *Labels or Instructions*: Understanding SC 3.3.2

RESOLUTION: Accepted as propsed

Comment LC-2811: Allowing for Responsive Design methods

RESOLUTION: Accepted as proposed

Comment LC-2806:External Resources

RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: AWK to add "Providing a page title which serves as a mechanism to locate a page" as a future technique to future technique list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/08/20-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: AWK to add in page examples to H45 with comments about current support [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/08/20-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01]
 
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