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15:01:55 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
15:01:55 <trackbot> Date: 20 August 2013
15:01:59 <Joshue> zakim, [IPcaller] is Joshue
15:01:59 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
15:02:06 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
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15:02:21 <AWK> Zakim, Adobe is AWK
15:02:21 <Zakim> +AWK; got it
15:02:27 <AWK> Chair: AWK
15:02:30 <Joshue> zakim, unmute me
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15:02:37 <Zakim> +??P32
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15:03:55 <Loretta> zakim, ipcaller is Loretta
15:03:55 <Zakim> +Loretta; got it
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15:04:57 <MichaelC> chair: Andrew_Kirkpatrick
15:05:08 <marcjohlic> scribe:  marcjohlic
15:06:01 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
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15:06:39 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Comment LC-2825: The text for the SC 3.3.2 intent is not worded right
15:06:52 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Accepted as proposed
15:07:04 <Joshue> yup
15:07:09 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden
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15:07:27 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Comment LC-2826: H50 not helpful to anyone
15:08:14 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
15:08:14 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:08:29 <Zakim> +Kathy_Wahlbin
15:08:55 <korn> q+
15:08:59 <Loretta> q+
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15:09:16 <AWK> ack Kath
15:09:30 <marcjohlic> AWK:  If this technique works - see no reason to remove it
15:09:30 <Joshue> ack korn
15:09:32 <AWK> ack Korn
15:09:41 <korn> q-
15:09:43 <marcjohlic> PK:  Is this technique a11y supported?
15:09:44 <AWK> ack Lor
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15:10:15 <Joshue> +q
15:10:19 <Joshue> ack me
15:10:22 <AWK> ack josh
15:10:23 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:10:24 <marcjohlic> LGR:   Believe this was back in the days when we were looking for techniques that would be appropriate for this SC.  Can't say that I've ever seen anyone using this technique
15:10:32 <AWK> ack gregg
15:10:32 <Joshue> ack gregg
15:10:33 <marcjohlic> JoC:  Never seen it in use myself
15:10:51 <AWK> q+
15:10:55 <MichaelC> q+ to say I hear a lot of assertions that it hasn´t been seen, but none that say ¨I know it is not accessibility supported¨. I need that before agreeing to remove.
15:11:07 <AWK> q-
15:11:29 <Joshue> ack Michael
15:11:29 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say I hear a lot of assertions that it hasn´t been seen, but none that say ¨I know it is not accessibility supported¨. I need that before agreeing to
15:11:33 <Zakim> ... remove.
15:11:43 <marcjohlic> DM:  Never come across it either.  Believe there's a point in not keeping things around just for historical reasons
15:11:45 <Loretta> q+
15:11:51 <Joshue> ack Loretta
15:12:07 <marcjohlic> DM:  Going to test it in 3 or 4 browsers and couple screen readers and will have an answer in a few mins
15:12:08 <Joshue> Good point
15:12:33 <marcjohlic> LGR:  No browser supports this as a way for skipping links
15:13:00 <marcjohlic> DM:  Will also test with keyboard access
15:14:40 <Joshue> +q to say if AT push worked well I'd be happy to re-instate it as a methodology
15:14:46 <Joshue> -q
15:14:53 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Leaving open pending results from David's testing
15:15:06 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Comment LC-2810: Poor Example in SCR20
15:15:10 <Joshue> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:15:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/20-wai-wcag-minutes.html Joshue
15:16:19 <Loretta> q+
15:17:26 <Joshue> ack Loret
15:18:58 <AWK> "1 Although click is in principle a mouse event handler, most HTML and XHTML user agents process this event when the control is activated, regardless of whether it was activated with the mouse or the keyboard. In practice, therefore, it is not necessary to duplicate this event. It is included here for completeness since non-HTML user agents do have this issue."
15:20:44 <Joshue> +q
15:20:47 <Joshue> ack me
15:21:30 <Loretta> "when the control is activated" -> "when an HTML native control such as a button or link is activated"
15:21:52 <Loretta> q+
15:21:58 <Joshue> ack Lor
15:23:32 <David> Results: test page http://davidmacd.com/test/maptest.html works in keyboard in chrome, IE, FF, NVDA, JAWS14 VoiceOVER in Safari on Mac OS mountainlion... COMPLETE SUPPORT!
15:26:40 <Joshue> +q
15:27:20 <Joshue> -q
15:27:25 <Loretta> q+
15:27:31 <Joshue> ack Lor
15:28:18 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Leaving open pending draft update from Loretta
15:28:32 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Comment LC-2826: H50 not helpful to anyone
15:28:49 <marcjohlic> David's test results:  Results: test page http://davidmacd.com/test/maptest.html works in keyboard in chrome, IE, FF, NVDA, JAWS14 VoiceOVER in Safari on Mac OS mountainlion... COMPLETE SUPPORT!
15:29:13 <marcjohlic> (Returning to this earlier topic to discuss David's results)
15:29:15 <Joshue> +q
15:30:11 <Joshue> ack me
15:30:38 <marcjohlic> JoC:  Did it announce the Navigation bar title?
15:30:58 <marcjohlic> DM:  No - it did not announce anything.  It didn't interfere with anything.
15:31:11 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
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15:31:13 <marcjohlic> Does not appear to offering true grouping
15:31:28 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Accepted as proposed
15:31:51 <AWK> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAG_Aug20_2013/results
15:34:20 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Comment LC-2799: Specifying consistent page numbering for PDF documents
15:34:27 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Accepted as proposed
15:34:50 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Comment LC-2808: EOWG comments
15:35:01 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Accepted as proposed
15:35:17 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Comment LC-2796: Firefox supports zoom
15:36:14 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Accepting JN's comments and inserting verbatim (accepted as proposed).
15:36:23 <Joshue> zakim, unmute me
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15:36:27 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Comment LC-2800: PDF lists
15:36:34 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Accepted as amended
15:36:35 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
15:36:35 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:36:53 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Comment LC-2790: Using aria-describedby to provide descriptions of objects
15:37:38 <Loretta> Response to issue 2810 has been updated.
15:38:06 <Joshue> thanks Loretta
15:38:59 <Joshue> +q
15:39:05 <Joshue> ack me
15:40:04 <AWK> q+
15:40:11 <Loretta> q+
15:40:39 <Joshue> ack awk
15:40:55 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
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15:42:32 <Joshue> +q
15:42:35 <Joshue> ack Lor
15:43:18 <Joshue> -q
15:43:46 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
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15:43:50 <AWK> Comments on current issue: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAG_Aug20_2013/results#x2663
15:43:54 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Leave open
15:44:11 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Comment LC-2791: Techniques for WCAG 2.0 H45 longdesc: Missing on-page description example
15:44:55 <Joshue> zakim, unmute me
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15:45:01 <Joshue> +q
15:46:34 <Joshue> ack me
15:51:54 <Loretta> q+
15:52:15 <MichaelC> q+
15:52:35 <MichaelC> q+ to say there is a careful balance to not kill longdesc while developing the next solution
15:52:42 <Joshue> ack Lore
15:54:30 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
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15:56:08 <Joshue> zakim, unmute me
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15:56:15 <Joshue> ack Mich
15:56:15 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say there is a careful balance to not kill longdesc while developing the next solution
15:56:20 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
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15:57:27 <Joshue> +q to ask if we need to support longdesc
15:57:27 <AWK> zakim, queue?
15:57:28 <Zakim> I see Joshue on the speaker queue
15:57:36 <AWK> ack Josh
15:57:37 <Zakim> Joshue, you wanted to ask if we need to support longdesc
15:58:12 <David> Longdesc test page http://davidmacd.com/test/longdesc.html
15:58:43 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
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15:59:35 <marcjohlic> ACTION: AWK to add in page examples to H45 with comments about current support
15:59:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-211 - Add in page examples to h45 with comments about current support [on Andrew Kirkpatrick - due 2013-08-27].
15:59:56 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Leave open pending ACTION-211
16:00:23 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
16:01:13 <marcjohlic> TOPIC: Comment LC-2810: Poor Example in SCR20
16:01:31 <marcjohlic> LGR updated response to LC-2810
16:01:54 <Joshue> looks good Loretta
16:02:35 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden
16:03:22 <Joshue> zakim, unmute me
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16:03:27 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
16:03:27 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:03:39 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
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16:04:48 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Accepted as amended
16:05:20 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Comment LC-2792: Techniques for WCAG 2.0 H45 longdesc: User agent support
16:06:50 <Loretta> q+ to say that because the description addresses all mouse handlers, and not just click handlers, I don't think we need to edit it.
16:07:54 <Joshue> zakim, unmute me
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16:08:04 <Joshue> ack Lore
16:08:04 <Zakim> Loretta, you wanted to say that because the description addresses all mouse handlers, and not just click handlers, I don't think we need to edit it.
16:08:20 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
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16:09:01 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Accepted as amended
16:10:14 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Comment LC-2798: Include G88
16:11:22 <Joshue> zakim, unmute me
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16:11:27 <Joshue> ack me
16:11:38 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
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16:14:31 <marcjohlic> ACTION:  AWK to add "Providing a page title which serves as a mechanism to locate a page" as a future technique to future technique list
16:14:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-212 - Add "providing a page title which serves as a mechanism to locate a page" as a future technique to future technique list [on Andrew Kirkpatrick - due 2013-08-27].
16:14:45 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
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16:14:53 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Accepted as amended
16:15:16 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Comment LC-2784: Focus Visible Understanding SC 2.4.7 Loophole
16:16:15 <Joshue> zakim, unmute me
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16:17:58 <Joshue> ?me :-)
16:18:08 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Accepted as amended
16:18:33 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Comment LC-2785: *Labels or Instructions*: Understanding SC 3.3.2
16:19:04 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
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16:21:18 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Accepted as propsed
16:21:34 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Comment LC-2811: Allowing for Responsive Design methods
16:24:38 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Accepted as proposed
16:25:00 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Comment LC-2806:External Resources
16:28:26 <Zakim> -Peter_Korn
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16:30:23 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Accepted as amended
16:34:02 <Zakim> -Joshue
16:34:05 <Zakim> -AWK
16:34:07 <Zakim> -Loretta
16:34:08 <Zakim> -Kathy_Wahlbin
16:34:08 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
16:34:09 <marcjohlic> zakim, list attendees
16:34:10 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been David_MacDonald, Peter_Korn, Joshue, AWK, Michael_Cooper, Loretta, Marc_Johlic, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Kathy_Wahlbin
16:34:10 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
16:34:17 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
16:34:34 <marcjohlic> rrsagent, make log world
16:34:58 <marcjohlic> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:34:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/20-wai-wcag-minutes.html marcjohlic
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16:35:09 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()11:00AM has ended
16:35:09 <Zakim> Attendees were David_MacDonald, Peter_Korn, Joshue, AWK, Michael_Cooper, Loretta, Marc_Johlic, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Kathy_Wahlbin
16:35:37 <marcjohlic> rrsagent, make minutes
16:35:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/20-wai-wcag-minutes.html marcjohlic
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