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Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference

18 Jun 2013

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Attendees

Present
David_MacDonald, AWK, Peter_Korn, Gregg_Vanderheiden, +1.703.861.aaaa, Bruce_Bailey, Michael_Cooper, +1.978.443.aabb, Marc_Johlic, Cherie_Eckholm?, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Kathy_Wahlbin, Cherie_Eckholm, Loretta_Guarino_Reid?, James_Nurthen
Regrets
Chair
Andrew_Kirkpatrick
Scribe
Ryladog

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 18 June 2013

<MichaelC> scribe: Ryladog

<AWK> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20130618/results

Agendum 1

LC-2770: Adding Caption First to Resources

AK; Funny buzzing

AK: GV and other worries about vendors
... What do we want to decide as a policy

MC: As Loretta said we already do list vendors anyway. We probably need to move the list outside the doc.

KW: Do we have a process to vet vendors?

<greggvanderheiden> how about this

<greggvanderheiden> http://www.ncra.org/Membership/content.cfm?ItemNumber=9131&navItemNumber=11459

<greggvanderheiden> this is a listing -- so we don't have to list specific companies

AK: The link to search on the page GV isnt working

LGR: Vendors are listed where we specifically say we do not say anything about us being responsible

GV: Well the problem is that vendor say they are on the W3C list - and how come I am not there, etc

LGR: It clearly says we are not endorsing any vendor, and then has them below this

GV: But most folks dont check if one company says I am listed on the W3C

LGR: I thought there was no other way

GV: We could point to a page that says there are CART association would probably be best

AK: We could let the CaptionFirst folks comment. I agree with Michael and find these mentions as an action for some date in the future
... I do not have a strong feeling one way or the other about this today

PK: Do we want to list folks w/o asking them?

Bruce on q

BB: This is not the time, this is a desperately needed resource - I would suggest we add this

LGR: David please add the Canadian resource

GV: I did a Google search of CART providers

LGR: If you want to put in a suggestion to do an internet search with their favorite search engine - for CART provider

AK: I would liek to not make this a bigger issue

<Loretta> Perhaps create a bullet item like we do for Web conferencing products and list the commercial pages below it?

AK: I propose we add Caption Fisrt to thislist, fix the link to the CART info .org and add an ACTION ITEM

<David> http://sovo-tech.com/

<scribe> ACTION: 2 months out - Decide how to list vendors [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01]

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AK: And add Canadian Vendors

<Loretta> Suggest we go back and update the response/actions to the issue...

RESOLUTION: Accept item 2770 as proposed

<greggvanderheiden> "for more information on captioning of live content - search for "live captioning"

<David> http://www.nathanailcaptioning.ca/

<greggvanderheiden> on the internet

<scribe> ACTION: Review what we have an deciding if we need a policy - Decide how to list vendors - after 2 months [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Error finding 'Review'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/users>.

<greggvanderheiden> For more information on captioning of live content in your country - search for "live captioning" using your favorite web search site.

<Loretta> \me: Katie, I think actions need to start with who has the action.

LC-2745 : Adding an Example 4: Validating PDF

LGR: Has the wong link

<AWK> Correct link: https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20120103/2745

LC-2745: https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20120103/2745

AK: Lets talk about this now -with the correct link

GV: Validating does not mean that it is accessible in any way - it says that

<korn> http://www.w3.org/TR/wcag2ict/#ensure-compat-parses

AK: Wehad some discussion on this in WCAG2 to ICT - this is about markup that is separably exposed to AT or a user-selectable user agent

<AWK> s/AK: wehad/PK: we had

LGR: It doesnt actually seem relevant to this particular comment

PK: Just simply pointing out the accessibility result that this SC is trying to acheive

AK: David, I put in some text 0 does this cover your concern?

DM: That got bye me. That will help

AK: The wrong link is already in the errrata

RESOLUTION: Accept item LC-2745 as proposed - with my edits

<AWK> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20120103/2745

RESOLUTION: Accept item LC-2745 as amnded
... Accept item LC-2745 as amended

LC-2632: SCR37: Creating Custom Dialogs in a Device Independent Way

<scribe> ACTION: David will look at fixing changing LC-2632: SCR37: Creating Custom Dialogs in a Device Independent Way [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> 'David' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., dmacdona, dtodd2).

RESOLUTION: Keept item open into Davids review of SCR37: LC-2632
... Keep item open until David's review of SCR37: LC-2632 id complete

<MichaelC> ACTION: macdonald to look at fixing changing LC-2632: SCR37: Creating Custom Dialogs in a Device Independent Way [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-204 - Look at fixing changing LC-2632: SCR37: Creating Custom Dialogs in a Device Independent Way [on David MacDonald - due 2013-06-25].

LC-2751: discrepancy between the normative text and the "Understanding" document for WCAG 1.4.5

AK: Bad link sorry - should be working now

<AWK> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/wcag20-lc/2751?cid=2751

JN: Can I have 5 minutes to revview it

AK: We will come back to it

LC-2753: Caption in HTML5 table

AK: GV had an editorial revision

JN: They could use ARIA described by

MC: Yes but that makes it more complicated

BB: We assume you are talking about HTML tables - add to the very beginning of the response

<David> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/tabular-data.html#the-table-element 4.10.1.1 Techniques for describing tables

AK: We could add that using a technology specific technique - but - do we need to answer the question

LGR: I am concerned that we will delay responding to this very specific question

<AWK> s/not all tables include/not all tables need

RESOLUTION: Accept item LC-2753 as amended - see AWK text above

<scribe> ACTION: need to review caption and summary techniques [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Error finding 'need'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/users>.

<MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques

<scribe> ACTION: Review WIKI techniques list an dthat Captions and summary are reflected on the list AWK [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action06]

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LC-2751: discrepancy between the normative text and the "Understanding" document for WCAG 1.4.5

<MichaelC> ACTION: awk to Review WIKI techniques list an dthat Captions and summary are reflected on the lis [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action07]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-205 - Review WIKI techniques list an dthat Captions and summary are reflected on the lis [on Andrew Kirkpatrick - due 2013-06-25].

<AWK> zakim who is on the queue?

<AWK> http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/visual-audio-contrast-text-presentation.html

<Zakim> jamesn, you wanted to say that with web fonts you CAN do pretty much anything using text now

<scribe> ACTION: greggvanderheiden to fix [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action08]

<trackbot> Error finding 'greggvanderheiden'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/users>.

RESOLUTION: Leave OPEN for GV to edit and bring back LC-2751

LC-2725: WCAG Compliance

RESOLUTION: Accept item LC-2725 as proposed

AK: People need to follow up on their action items

DM: I just took 5 or 6 of them

<Loretta> 2775 and 2776 exist in the data base, but are empty. Maybe someone forgot to save?

Charter and Accessibility Support Database

AK: Judy , Shadi and I are discussing this - and we should have an update next week

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: 2 months out - Decide how to list vendors [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: awk to Review WIKI techniques list an dthat Captions and summary are reflected on the lis [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: David will look at fixing changing LC-2632: SCR37: Creating Custom Dialogs in a Device Independent Way [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: greggvanderheiden to fix [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: macdonald to look at fixing changing LC-2632: SCR37: Creating Custom Dialogs in a Device Independent Way [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: need to review caption and summary techniques [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Review what we have an deciding if we need a policy - Decide how to list vendors - after 2 months [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Review WIKI techniques list an dthat Captions and summary are reflected on the list AWK [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action06]
 
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