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14:56:32 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
14:56:32 <trackbot> Date: 18 June 2013
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14:57:40 <Zakim> +[Adobe]
14:57:56 <AWK> Zakim, [Adobe] is AWK
14:57:57 <Zakim> +AWK; got it
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14:59:51 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
15:00:15 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
15:00:28 <Zakim> +Peter_Korn
15:01:03 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden
15:01:50 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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15:02:05 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
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15:05:05 <MichaelC> zakim, Microsoft is probably Cherie_Eckholm
15:05:05 <Zakim> +Cherie_Eckholm?; got it
15:05:47 <MichaelC> zakim, aaaa is Katie_Haritos-Shea
15:05:47 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea; got it
15:05:53 <MichaelC> zakim, aabb is Kathy_Wahlbin
15:05:53 <Zakim> +Kathy_Wahlbin; got it
15:06:12 <MichaelC> zakim, Cherie is Cherie_Eckholm
15:06:12 <Zakim> +Cherie_Eckholm; got it
15:06:48 <MichaelC> scribe: Ryladog
15:06:51 <AWK> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20130618/results
15:07:33 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
15:07:33 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
15:07:54 <Ryladog> zakim, take up next item
15:07:54 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
15:07:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:08:04 <Ryladog> Agendum 1
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15:08:34 <Ryladog> LC-2770: Adding Caption First to Resources
15:08:39 <MichaelC> zakim, IPcaller is probably Loretta_Guarino_Reid
15:08:39 <Zakim> +Loretta_Guarino_Reid?; got it
15:09:03 <Ryladog> AK; Funny buzzing
15:09:20 <Ryladog> AK: GV and other worries about vendors
15:10:02 <AWK> Zakim, who is on the queue?
15:10:02 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:10:07 <Ryladog> AK: What do we want to decide as a policy
15:10:23 <kathy> q+
15:10:54 <AWK> ack kathy
15:10:56 <Ryladog> MC: As Loretta said we already do list vendors anyway. We probably need to move the list outside the doc.
15:11:07 <Ryladog> KW: Do we have a process to vet vendors?
15:11:31 <David> q+
15:11:44 <AWK> ack David
15:11:45 <greggvanderheiden> how about this
15:11:47 <greggvanderheiden> http://www.ncra.org/Membership/content.cfm?ItemNumber=9131&navItemNumber=11459
15:12:37 <greggvanderheiden> this is a listing -- so we don't have to list specific companies
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15:13:06 <Loretta> q+
15:13:53 <AWK> ack loretta
15:14:04 <Ryladog> AK: The link to search on the page GV isnt working
15:14:57 <Ryladog> LGR: Vendors are listed where we specifically say we do not say anything about us being responsible
15:15:29 <Ryladog> GV: Well the problem is that vendor say they are on the W3C list - and how come I am not there, etc
15:16:06 <AWK> q+
15:16:12 <Ryladog> LGR: It clearly says we are not endorsing any vendor, and then has them below this
15:16:38 <Ryladog> GV: But most folks dont check if one company says I am listed on the W3C
15:16:56 <Ryladog> LGR: I thought there was no other way
15:17:25 <Ryladog> GV: We could point to a page that says there are CART association would probably be best
15:17:36 <AWK> ack AWK
15:18:24 <Ryladog> AK: We could let the CaptionFirst folks comment. I agree with Michael and find these mentions as an action for some date in the future
15:18:42 <Ryladog> AK: I do not have a strong feeling one way or the other about this today
15:20:43 <Ryladog> PK: Do we want to list folks w/o asking them?
15:22:27 <Ryladog> Bruce on q
15:23:19 <AWK> Zakim, who is on the queue?
15:23:19 <Zakim> I see Bruce_Bailey on the speaker queue
15:24:12 <Ryladog> BB: This is not the time, this is a desperately needed resource - I would suggest we add this
15:24:27 <Ryladog> LGR: David please add the Canadian resource
15:24:54 <Ryladog> GV: I did a Google search of CART providers
15:24:58 <AWK> ack Bruce
15:25:51 <Ryladog> LGR: If you want to put in a suggestion to do an internet search with their favorite search engine - for CART provider
15:26:16 <Ryladog> AK: I would liek to not make this a bigger issue
15:26:55 <Loretta> Perhaps create a bullet item like we do for Web conferencing products and list the commercial pages below it?
15:27:01 <Ryladog> AK: I propose we add Caption Fisrt to thislist, fix the link to the CART info .org and add an ACTION ITEM
15:27:02 <David> http://sovo-tech.com/
15:27:24 <Ryladog> ACTION: 2 months out - Decide how to list vendors
15:27:24 <trackbot> Error finding '2'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/users>.
15:27:43 <Ryladog> AK: And add Canadian Vendors
15:27:57 <Loretta> Suggest we go back and update the response/actions to the issue...
15:28:15 <Ryladog> RESOLUTION: Accept item 2770 as proposed
15:28:22 <greggvanderheiden> "for more information on captioning of live content - search for "live captioning"
15:28:27 <David> http://www.nathanailcaptioning.ca/
15:28:35 <greggvanderheiden> on the internet
15:29:35 <Ryladog> ACTION: Review what we have an deciding if we need a policy - Decide how to list vendors - after 2 months
15:29:35 <trackbot> Error finding 'Review'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/users>.
15:29:54 <greggvanderheiden> For more information on captioning of live content in your country - search for "live captioning" using your favorite web search site.
15:31:44 <Loretta> \me: Katie, I think actions need to start with who has the action.
15:34:38 <Ryladog> Topic: LC-2745 : Adding an Example 4: Validating PDF
15:34:52 <Ryladog> LGR: Has the wong link
15:35:19 <AWK> Correct link: https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20120103/2745
15:35:56 <Ryladog> LC-2745: https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20120103/2745
15:36:19 <Ryladog> AK: Lets talk about this now -with the correct link
15:37:27 <Ryladog> GV: Validating does not mean that it is accessible in any way - it says that
15:37:31 <korn> q+
15:37:43 <korn> http://www.w3.org/TR/wcag2ict/#ensure-compat-parses
15:38:01 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
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15:38:40 <Ryladog> AK: Wehad some discussion on this in WCAG2 to ICT - this is about markup that is separably exposed to AT or a user-selectable user agent
15:38:53 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:38:54 <korn> q-
15:39:03 <AWK> s/AK: wehad/PK: we had
15:39:47 <Loretta> q+
15:40:27 <AWK> ack Loretta
15:40:44 <Ryladog> LGR: It doesnt actually seem relevant to this particular comment
15:41:19 <Ryladog> PK: Just simply pointing out the accessibility result that this SC is trying to acheive
15:41:44 <Ryladog> AK: David, I put in some text 0 does this cover your concern?
15:42:16 <Ryladog> DM: That got bye me. That will help
15:42:44 <Ryladog> AK: The wrong link is already in the errrata
15:43:26 <Ryladog> RESOLUTION: Accept item LC-2745 as proposed - with my edits
15:43:34 <AWK> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20120103/2745
15:44:28 <Ryladog> RESOLUTION: Accept item LC-2745 as amnded
15:45:00 <Ryladog> RESOLUTION: Accept item LC-2745 as amended
15:45:48 <Ryladog> Topic: LC-2632: SCR37: Creating Custom Dialogs in a Device Independent Way
15:47:10 <Loretta> q+
15:48:31 <AWK> ack Loretta
15:49:52 <korn> q+
15:51:32 <AWK> ack peter
15:51:45 <Zakim> -Peter_Korn
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15:53:05 <Ryladog> ACTION: David will look at fixing changing LC-2632: SCR37: Creating Custom Dialogs in a Device Independent Way
15:53:05 <trackbot> 'David' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., dmacdona, dtodd2).
15:53:51 <Ryladog> RESOLUTION: Keept item open into Davids review of SCR37: LC-2632
15:54:32 <Ryladog> RESOLUTION: Keep item open until David's review of SCR37: LC-2632 id complete
15:54:45 <MichaelC> action: macdonald to look at fixing changing LC-2632: SCR37: Creating Custom Dialogs in a Device Independent Way
15:54:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-204 - Look at fixing changing LC-2632: SCR37: Creating Custom Dialogs in a Device Independent Way [on David MacDonald - due 2013-06-25].
15:55:13 <Ryladog> Topic: LC-2751: discrepancy between the normative text and the "Understanding" document for WCAG 1.4.5
15:55:50 <Ryladog> AK: Bad link sorry - should be working now
15:55:53 <AWK> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/wcag20-lc/2751?cid=2751
15:56:04 <Ryladog> JN: Can I have 5 minutes to revview it
15:56:11 <Ryladog> AK: We will come back to it
15:56:20 <Ryladog> Topic: LC-2753: Caption in HTML5 table
15:56:56 <Ryladog> AK: GV had an editorial revision
15:58:14 <Ryladog> JN: They could use ARIA described by
15:58:32 <Ryladog> MC: Yes but that makes it more complicated
15:58:41 <AWK> Zakim, who is on the queue?
15:58:42 <Zakim> I see korn on the speaker queue
15:58:54 <jamesn> q+
15:59:05 <jamesn> ack korn
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16:02:55 <AWK> ack bruce
16:03:00 <AWK> ack jamesn
16:04:02 <Ryladog> BB: We assume you are talking about HTML tables - add to the very beginning of the response
16:05:09 <David> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/tabular-data.html#the-table-element    4.10.1.1 Techniques for describing tables
16:05:41 <Zakim> -Cherie_Eckholm
16:06:22 <Ryladog> AK: We could add that using a technology specific technique - but - do we need to answer the question
16:07:04 <Loretta> q+
16:07:42 <AWK> ack loretta
16:08:05 <Ryladog> LGR: I am concerned that we will relay responding to this very specific question
16:08:54 <Loretta> s/relay/delay/
16:09:26 <AWK> s/not all tables include/not all tables need
16:12:32 <Ryladog> RESOLUTION: Accept item LC-2753 as amended - see AWK text above
16:13:55 <Ryladog> action: need to review caption and summary techniques
16:13:55 <trackbot> Error finding 'need'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/users>.
16:13:57 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques
16:14:59 <Ryladog> Action: Review WIKI techniques list an dthat Captions and summary are reflected on the list AWK
16:14:59 <trackbot> Error finding 'Review'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/users>.
16:15:24 <Ryladog> Topic: LC-2751: discrepancy between the normative text and the "Understanding" document for WCAG 1.4.5
16:15:40 <MichaelC> action: awk to Review WIKI techniques list an dthat Captions and summary are reflected on the lis
16:15:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-205 - Review WIKI techniques list an dthat Captions and summary are reflected on the lis [on Andrew Kirkpatrick - due 2013-06-25].
16:17:02 <Loretta> q+
16:17:20 <AWK> zakim who is on the queue?
16:17:27 <AWK> zakim, who is on the queue?
16:17:27 <Zakim> I see Loretta on the speaker queue
16:17:56 <AWK> ack loretta
16:18:06 <jamesn> q+
16:20:04 <AWK> ack jamesn
16:21:47 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
16:22:25 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
16:22:34 <AWK> http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/visual-audio-contrast-text-presentation.html
16:24:31 <David> q+
16:24:51 <jamesn> q+ to say that with web fonts you CAN do pretty much anything using text now
16:25:05 <AWK> ack David
16:25:40 <AWK> ack Jamesn
16:25:40 <Zakim> jamesn, you wanted to say that with web fonts you CAN do pretty much anything using text now
16:27:52 <Loretta> q+
16:28:48 <Loretta> q-
16:29:06 <Ryladog> action: greggvanderheiden to fix
16:29:06 <trackbot> Error finding 'greggvanderheiden'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/users>.
16:29:55 <Ryladog> RESOLUTION: Leave OPEN for GV to edit and bring back LC-2751
16:30:08 <Ryladog> Topic: LC-2725: WCAG Compliance
16:30:16 <Ryladog> RESOLUTION: Accept item LC-2725 as proposed
16:30:40 <Ryladog> AK: People need to follow up on their action items
16:30:51 <Ryladog> DM: I just took 5 or 6 of them
16:31:21 <Loretta> 2775 and 2776 exist in the data base, but are empty. Maybe someone forgot to save?
16:31:21 <Ryladog> Topic: Charter and Accessibility Support Database
16:32:02 <Ryladog> AK: Judy , Shadi and I are discussing this - and we should have an update next week
16:33:00 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
16:33:02 <Ryladog> rrsagent, create minutes
16:33:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html Ryladog
16:33:03 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
16:33:05 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
16:33:06 <Zakim> -Kathy_Wahlbin
16:33:06 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
16:33:08 <Zakim> -Loretta_Guarino_Reid?
16:33:11 <Zakim> -AWK
16:33:31 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
16:34:18 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
16:58:40 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
16:58:42 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()11:00AM has ended
16:58:42 <Zakim> Attendees were David_MacDonald, AWK, Peter_Korn, Gregg_Vanderheiden, +1.703.861.aaaa, Bruce_Bailey, Michael_Cooper, +1.978.443.aabb, Marc_Johlic, Cherie_Eckholm?,
16:58:42 <Zakim> ... Katie_Haritos-Shea, Kathy_Wahlbin, Cherie_Eckholm, Loretta_Guarino_Reid?, James_Nurthen
17:42:45 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
17:42:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
17:48:26 <MichaelC> chair: Andrew_Kirkpatrick
17:49:25 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
17:49:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
17:49:29 <MichaelC> rrsagent, bye
17:49:29 <RRSAgent> I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
17:49:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: 2 months out - Decide how to list vendors [1]
17:49:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-irc#T15-27-24
17:49:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Review what we have an deciding if we need a policy - Decide how to list vendors - after 2 months [2]
17:49:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-irc#T15-29-35
17:49:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: David will look at fixing changing LC-2632: SCR37: Creating Custom Dialogs in a Device Independent Way [3]
17:49:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-irc#T15-53-05
17:49:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: macdonald to look at fixing changing LC-2632: SCR37: Creating Custom Dialogs in a Device Independent Way [4]
17:49:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-irc#T15-54-45
17:49:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: need to review caption and summary techniques [5]
17:49:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-irc#T16-13-55
17:49:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Review WIKI techniques list an dthat Captions and summary are reflected on the list AWK [6]
17:49:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-irc#T16-14-59
17:49:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: awk to Review WIKI techniques list an dthat Captions and summary are reflected on the lis [7]
17:49:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-irc#T16-15-40
17:49:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: greggvanderheiden to fix [8]
17:49:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/18-wai-wcag-irc#T16-29-06
17:49:32 <MichaelC> zakim, bye
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