HTML Techniques Task Force

28 Jan 2013

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+1.253.381.aaaa, Detlev, James_Nurthen, Robin, Loretta, Joshue


<Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20130117misc/results

<Joshue108> [1] http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/UAtesting


<Detlev> See whehter this will be associated with Detev

<scribe> scribe:Loretta


Robin tells us about her background.

1) Actions for dealing with technique feedback.

<Joshue108> Discussion on latest technique feedback.

<Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20130117misc/results

<Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20130117misc/results#xlandmark

<jamesn> http://tinyurl.com/abtysuu

<Detlev> http://tinyurl.com/abtysuu

David took an action item to rework and combine the landmark techniques.

<Detlev> http://tinyurl.com/ax39jp9

<jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_ARIA_landmarks_to_bypass_blocks_of_content,_and_provide_programmatic_structure.

<Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_ARIA_landmarks_to_bypass_blocks_of_content,_and_provide_programmatic_structure.

<jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_ARIA_landmarks_to_bypass_blocks_of_content,_and_provide_programmatic_structure.

<Detlev> http://tinyurl.com/ax39jp9

Josh: Let's put the new technique to survey for next week, rather than trying to cover this on the fly.

<Detlev> web

<robin> web

<jamesn> JN: Added some comments. Imagine the survey will need actions on the test procedure.

Heading technique - someone (James?) to update the examples.

<Detlev> The retrofitting case seemed pretty compelling

Pushback on the net about using role=header in HMTL, since there is already heading markup.

This is an issue with many of our simple examples.

<Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labelledby_to_name_controls

Most compelling use case: repair technique for legacy code that wasn't designed using heading markup.

Changing the dom hierarchy can break such web sites. Adding an attribute is a safe change.

Josh has specific real-life examples of such situations.

Detlev: if we tag this clearly as a repair technique, it should be clear that this is not a recommendation to use role header instead of heading markup.

Loretta: the labelledby technique that started the discussion probably should be using heading markup instead of role header.

<jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Headings_using_role%3Dheading

James will craft the text for the role=heading technique, to capture these nuances.

<jamesn> ACTION: JN to find write some text about use cases for roles on things which would be better in native html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/28-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action01]

flowto technique: put it on hold for now, since it doesn't seem to be helpful at this point.

Detlev: Firefox and JAWS has some support.

Loretta: Digging into flowto, I think it will be very hard to use, even when there is accessibility support.

2) Progressing the new 'User Agent Testing Methodology and Notes' document. http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/UAtesting

UA Testing doc: people are encouraged to review and edit the wiki directly.

Detlev: what should the document try to achieve? Educate people who are not familiar with screen reader technology?

Josh: Maybe put together the steps to test using AT?
... Capture and document the fact that we are considering testing issues for techniques.

Detlev: SSB-Bart has some good documentation on this, that could go into the Resources section.

<robin> As a new person to this, that would be very useful for people like me

Josh takes the action to update the document with this kind of information.


<robin> Thanks for having me, I need to drop off for another meeting. I do get to go to CSUN and would love to meet up with people

<Detlev> here is the link to the SS bart resource

<Detlev> http://www.readability.com/read?url=https%3A//www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/2013/01/02/how-browsers-interact-with-screen-readers-and-where-aria-fits-in-the-mix/

<Detlev> its actually not a description how to test with AT

<Joshue> no probs!

<jamesn> thanks

<Joshue> Sorry guys

<Joshue> chat next week!

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: JN to find write some text about use cases for roles on things which would be better in native html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/28-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action01]
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