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14:59:16 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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14:59:18 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be LDP ←
14:59:18 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started ←
14:59:19 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:59:19 <trackbot> Date: 26 November 2012
14:59:29 <dret> that's a good explanation for the silence!
Erik Wilde: that's a good explanation for the silence! ←
14:59:41 <Arnaud> :)
Arnaud Le Hors: :) ←
14:59:43 <Zakim> +??P2
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14:59:48 <Zakim> +??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←
14:59:52 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P3 is me
Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ??P3 is me ←
14:59:54 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +BartvanLeeuwen; got it ←
15:00:00 <Zakim> + +44.754.550.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.754.550.aaaa ←
15:00:09 <Zakim> +[IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←
15:00:18 <SteveS> Zakim, [IBM] is me
Steve Speicher: Zakim, [IBM] is me ←
15:00:18 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it ←
15:00:20 <Zakim> +Ruben
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ruben ←
15:00:22 <Zakim> +Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud ←
15:00:26 <Zakim> +??P5
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5 ←
15:00:33 <deiu> Zakim, ??P5 is me
Andrei Sambra: Zakim, ??P5 is me ←
15:00:33 <Zakim> +deiu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +deiu; got it ←
15:00:40 <deiu> Zakim, mute me please
Andrei Sambra: Zakim, mute me please ←
15:00:40 <Zakim> deiu should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: deiu should now be muted ←
15:00:48 <Ruben> zakim, mute me
Ruben Verborgh: zakim, mute me ←
15:00:48 <Zakim> Ruben should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ruben should now be muted ←
15:01:05 <SteveBattle> zakim, who is on the call
Steve Battle: zakim, who is on the call ←
15:01:05 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the call', SteveBattle
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the call', SteveBattle ←
15:01:18 <SteveBattle> zakim, who is on the phone
Steve Battle: zakim, who is on the phone ←
15:01:18 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', SteveBattle
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', SteveBattle ←
15:01:34 <AshokMalhotra> Steve, needs a ? at the end
Ashok Malhotra: Steve, needs a ? at the end ←
15:01:44 <SteveBattle> ta
Steve Battle: ta ←
15:01:51 <Arnaud> zakim, who is there?
Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who is there? ←
15:01:51 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Arnaud.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, Arnaud. ←
15:01:52 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software ←
15:01:56 <SteveBattle> zakim, who is on the phone?
Steve Battle: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:01:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see dret, ??P2, BartvanLeeuwen, +44.754.550.aaaa, SteveS, Ruben (muted), Arnaud, deiu (muted), OpenLink_Software
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see dret, ??P2, BartvanLeeuwen, +44.754.550.aaaa, SteveS, Ruben (muted), Arnaud, deiu (muted), OpenLink_Software ←
15:02:06 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
15:02:06 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it ←
15:02:07 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:02:07 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
15:02:11 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra ←
15:02:12 <SteveBattle> zakim, aaaa is me
Steve Battle: zakim, aaaa is me ←
15:02:12 <Zakim> +SteveBattle; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveBattle; got it ←
15:02:19 <Zakim> +EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP ←
15:03:46 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute ←
15:03:46 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmute', MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'unmute', MacTed ←
15:03:48 <Zakim> +Yves
Zakim IRC Bot: +Yves ←
15:03:48 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:03:49 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted ←
15:04:07 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:04:08 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
15:04:47 <dret> zakim, who is on the phone?
Erik Wilde: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:04:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see dret, ??P2, BartvanLeeuwen, SteveBattle, SteveS, Ruben (muted), Arnaud, deiu (muted), MacTed (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, EricP, Yves
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see dret, ??P2, BartvanLeeuwen, SteveBattle, SteveS, Ruben (muted), Arnaud, deiu (muted), MacTed (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, EricP, Yves ←
15:04:51 <SteveBattle> topic: Minutes from last week
15:04:54 <Zakim> -??P2
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P2 ←
15:05:03 <SteveS> have read and look good
Steve Speicher: have read and look good ←
15:05:16 <SteveBattle> I have read them
Steve Battle: I have read them ←
15:05:18 <dret> they look good!
Erik Wilde: they look good! ←
15:05:34 <SteveBattle> RESOLVED: Minutes of 19 November 2012 approved
RESOLVED: Minutes of 19 November 2012 approved ←
15:05:48 <Zakim> +??P24
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P24 ←
15:06:00 <SteveBattle> topic: Actions and Issues
15:06:25 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P24 is me
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, ??P24 is me ←
15:06:25 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +nmihindu; got it ←
15:06:59 <ericP> scribenick: ericP
(Scribe set to Eric Prud'hommeaux)
15:07:06 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's noisy? ←
15:07:16 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Arnaud (4%), Ashok_Malhotra (5%), nmihindu (45%)
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Arnaud (4%), Ashok_Malhotra (5%), nmihindu (45%) ←
<SteveBattle> subtopic: Actions
<SteveBattle> Arnaud: we have no actions pending review
Arnaud Le Hors: we have no actions pending review [ Scribe Assist by Steve Battle ] ←
<SteveBattle> ... anyone wants to declare victory on one of the open actions?
Steve Battle: ... anyone wants to declare victory on one of the open actions? ←
<SteveBattle> ... hearing none, let's move to raised issues
Steve Battle: ... hearing none, let's move to raised issues ←
<SteveBattle> subtopic: Issues
15:07:22 <deiu> issue-40?
15:07:22 <trackbot> ISSUE-40 -- creating/deleting/changing non RDF resources -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-40 -- creating/deleting/changing non RDF resources -- raised ←
15:07:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/40
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/40 ←
15:07:39 <ericP> Arnaud: issue-40 is against the UC&R (not the spec)
Arnaud Le Hors: ISSUE-40 is against the UC&R (not the spec) ←
15:07:50 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, mute me ←
15:07:50 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: nmihindu should now be muted ←
15:07:51 <ericP> ... but we have a similar story so not sure what's new
... but we have a similar story so not sure what's new ←
15:07:52 <Zakim> +??P26
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26 ←
15:07:54 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:07:54 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted ←
15:08:03 <oberger> Zakim, ??P26 is me
Olivier Berger: Zakim, ??P26 is me ←
15:08:03 <Zakim> +oberger; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +oberger; got it ←
15:08:08 <oberger> Zakim, mute me
Olivier Berger: Zakim, mute me ←
15:08:08 <Zakim> oberger should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: oberger should now be muted ←
15:08:14 <ericP> SteveBattle: agreed. not sure what to do about it
Steve Battle: agreed. not sure what to do about it ←
15:08:25 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 to wait for henry
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 to wait for henry ←
15:08:36 <Zakim> +??P27
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27 ←
15:08:41 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:08:41 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
15:08:45 <ericP> ... we don't have a story about sharing binary resources
... we don't have a story about sharing binary resources ←
15:08:56 <krp> zakim, ??P27 is me
Kevin Page: zakim, ??P27 is me ←
15:08:56 <Zakim> +krp; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←
15:08:57 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: a new issue-40 was raised about sharing binary resources
Arnaud Le Hors: a new ISSUE-40 was raised about sharing binary resources [ Scribe Assist by Steve Battle ] ←
15:08:58 <ericP> [ tabled 'till Henry is around ]
[ tabled 'till Henry is around ] ←
15:09:10 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
15:09:11 <ericP> scribenick: SteveBattle
(Scribe set to Steve Battle)
<SteveBattle> Arnaud: what about issue-7, can we close it?
Arnaud Le Hors: what about ISSUE-7, can we close it? ←
<SteveBattle> ... reading the email thread I'm not sure
... reading the email thread I'm not sure ←
15:10:45 <SteveBattle> RESOLVED: close issue-7 as pending review
RESOLVED: Mark ISSUE-7 as pending review ←
15:11:05 <SteveBattle> s/close/Mark/
15:11:36 <deiu> q+
Andrei Sambra: q+ ←
15:16:43 <SteveBattle> topic: Test Suite and Validation
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15:11:43 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: Today is the deadline for suggesting test-suite / testing framework proposals
Arnaud Le Hors: Today is the deadline for suggesting test-suite / testing framework proposals ←
15:11:54 <deiu> ack deiu
Andrei Sambra: ack deiu ←
15:11:55 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
15:12:04 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: Not much has been contributed so far
Arnaud Le Hors: Not much has been contributed so far ←
<SteveBattle> ... not sure whether this means people have no suggestions or didn't have the time to respond
... not sure whether this means people have no suggestions or didn't have the time to respond ←
15:12:08 <deiu> Zakim, mute me
Andrei Sambra: Zakim, mute me ←
15:12:08 <Zakim> deiu should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: deiu should now be muted ←
15:12:12 <deiu> I'll write
Andrei Sambra: I'll write ←
15:12:33 <deiu> My point is that we've not decided on the model
Andrei Sambra: My point is that we've not decided on the model ←
15:12:55 <deiu> it's difficult to try and propose a test suite if we don't know what exactly to test for
Andrei Sambra: it's difficult to try and propose a test suite if we don't know what exactly to test for ←
15:12:59 <deiu> (other than existing stuff from the spec)
Andrei Sambra: (other than existing stuff from the spec) ←
15:13:18 <dret> ISSUE-37 seems to be holding up quite a number of things
Erik Wilde: ISSUE-37 seems to be holding up quite a number of things ←
15:13:19 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: We need suggestions/ideas about frameworks for testing
Arnaud Le Hors: We need suggestions/ideas about frameworks for testing ←
15:13:52 <deiu> Yeah, he's got about two tests working so far
Andrei Sambra: Yeah, he's got about two tests working so far ←
15:13:59 <deiu> We've been collaborating on that matter
Andrei Sambra: We've been collaborating on that matter ←
15:14:07 <bblfish> hi
Henry Story: hi ←
15:14:08 <deiu> (Alexander)
Andrei Sambra: (Alexander) ←
15:14:41 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: We do have >1 proposal. Maybe we have enough to be getting on with?
Arnaud Le Hors: We do have >1 proposal. Maybe we have enough to be getting on with? ←
15:14:46 <SteveBattle> q+
q+ ←
15:15:17 <Arnaud> ack steveb
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steveb ←
15:15:20 <SteveBattle> stevebattle: Can we have until end of play today to make additional suggestions?
Steve Battle: Can we have until end of play today to make additional suggestions? ←
15:15:35 <SteveBattle> q+
q+ ←
15:15:45 <Zakim> +??P30
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P30 ←
15:15:46 <Arnaud> ack steveb
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steveb ←
15:16:08 <svillata> Zakim, ??P30 is me
Serena Villata: Zakim, ??P30 is me ←
15:16:08 <Zakim> +svillata; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +svillata; got it ←
15:16:27 <bblfish> thanks deiu
Henry Story: thanks deiu ←
15:17:19 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: Ok, you have until end of today to contribute ideas.
Arnaud Le Hors: Ok, you have until end of today to contribute ideas. ←
<SteveBattle> ... after that we will make a decision based on what's been proposed.
... after that we will make a decision based on what's been proposed. ←
15:17:28 <SteveBattle> topic: Use Cases and Requirements
15:17:49 <ericP> SteveBattle: SteveS and I had an editorial meeting last week
Steve Battle: SteveS and I had an editorial meeting last week [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:18:01 <ericP> ... added a timetable at the beginning
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... added a timetable at the beginning ←
15:18:10 <ericP> ... we asked folks last week to review the user stories
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... we asked folks last week to review the user stories ←
15:18:49 <ericP> ... we moved out the RESTful Interactions "user story" as it was more architectural
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... we moved out the RESTful Interactions "user story" as it was more architectural ←
15:19:06 <ericP> ... the section on sharing binary resources and metadata needs the most work
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... the section on sharing binary resources and metadata needs the most work ←
15:19:24 <ericP> ... will send a request from that use case's advocate after the call
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... will send a request from that use case's advocate after the call ←
15:19:42 <ericP> ... we asked folks to directly edit user stories. saw some edits
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... we asked folks to directly edit user stories. saw some edits ←
15:20:03 <ericP> ... we still need eyes on these user stories and editorial work to get them to look similar
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... we still need eyes on these user stories and editorial work to get them to look similar ←
15:20:09 <ericP> ... otherwise they get deleted
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... otherwise they get deleted ←
15:20:30 <ericP> ... hoping to get to FPWD this year
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... hoping to get to FPWD this year ←
15:20:38 <bblfish> q+ has that changed now? We no longer need to issue a ticket to change user stories?
Henry Story: q+ has that changed now? We no longer need to issue a ticket to change user stories? ←
15:20:51 <ericP> SteveS: waiting for answer on publishing moritorium for end of year
Steve Speicher: waiting for answer on publishing moritorium for end of year [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:21:06 <ericP> sandro: off the top of my head, i think it's the last two weeks
Sandro Hawke: off the top of my head, i think it's the last two weeks [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:21:19 <ericP> SteveBattle: ericP owes editorial text
Steve Battle: ericP owes editorial text [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:21:21 <ericP> ericP: roger that
Eric Prud'hommeaux: roger that [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:22:01 <ericP> Arnaud: so we're waiting from some editorial work from advocates, hoping for review in one week
Arnaud Le Hors: so we're waiting from some editorial work from advocates, hoping for review in one week [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:22:25 <ericP> ... seems optimistic that we can get reviews and responses by the 17th
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... seems optimistic that we can get reviews and responses by the 17th ←
15:22:43 <SteveBattle> I'll take the wheel
I'll take the wheel ←
15:23:11 <bblfish> q+ to has dealing with user stories changed now? We no longer need to issue a ticket to change user stories? We just edit the wiki?
Henry Story: q+ to has dealing with user stories changed now? We no longer need to issue a ticket to change user stories? We just edit the wiki? ←
15:24:45 <bblfish> my question was: has dealing with user stories changed now? We no longer need to issue a ticket to change user stories? We just edit the wiki?
Henry Story: my question was: has dealing with user stories changed now? We no longer need to issue a ticket to change user stories? We just edit the wiki? ←
15:25:06 <Arnaud> bblfish, no, for new stories you still need to submit issues, otherwise coordinate with editors
Arnaud Le Hors: bblfish, no, for new stories you still need to submit issues, otherwise coordinate with editors ←
15:25:13 <bblfish> ok
Henry Story: ok ←
15:25:19 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
15:25:19 <Zakim> bblfish, you wanted to has dealing with user stories changed now? We no longer need to issue a ticket to change user stories? We just edit the wiki?
Zakim IRC Bot: bblfish, you wanted to has dealing with user stories changed now? We no longer need to issue a ticket to change user stories? We just edit the wiki? ←
15:22:52 <SteveBattle> topic: LDP Specification
15:23:24 <SteveBattle> steveS: Working to track editorial suggestions by David Wood
Steve Speicher: Working to track editorial suggestions by David Wood ←
15:23:31 <SteveBattle> topic: Issues
15:23:56 <ericP> subtopic: Issue-37
15:23:57 <deiu> issue-37?
15:23:57 <trackbot> ISSUE-37 -- What is the LDP data model and the LDP interaction model? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-37 -- What is the LDP data model and the LDP interaction model? -- open ←
15:23:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/37
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/37 ←
15:24:07 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
15:24:16 <SteveBattle> Talking about ISSUE-37
15:25:20 <SteveBattle> We need the editors to suggest a way forward on this
We need the editors to suggest a way forward on this ←
15:25:21 <bblfish> thanks
Henry Story: thanks ←
15:26:02 <SteveBattle> SteveS: Will take this as an action
Steve Speicher: Will take this as an action ←
15:26:12 <Zakim> +??P34
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34 ←
15:26:21 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P34 is me
Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ??P34 is me ←
15:26:21 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +BartvanLeeuwen; got it ←
15:27:34 <SteveBattle> bblfish:We need more discussion about the model. My plan is to take this outline and consolidate what we have on the wiki.
Henry Story: We need more discussion about the model. My plan is to take this outline and consolidate what we have on the wiki. ←
15:28:10 <SteveBattle> bblfish: Shall I create a wiki page?
Erik Wilde: Shall I create a wiki page? ←
15:28:25 <Zakim> +??P34
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34 ←
15:28:28 <Arnaud> s/bblfish/dret/
15:28:28 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P34 is me
Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ??P34 is me ←
15:28:28 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +BartvanLeeuwen; got it ←
15:28:33 <bblfish> ah?
Henry Story: ah? ←
15:28:42 <AshokMalhotra> Henry, please create the wiki page
Ashok Malhotra: dret, please create the wiki page ←
15:29:11 <SteveBattle> bblfish: OK, I'll do that, and when it is stable we'll discuss how to move that into the spec.
Erik Wilde: OK, I'll do that, and when it is stable we'll discuss how to move that into the spec. ←
15:29:12 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
15:29:22 <dret> s/bblfish/dret/
15:29:40 <bblfish> SteveBattle: I think you mean dret, not me :-)
Henry Story: SteveBattle: I think you mean dret, not me :-) ←
15:30:02 <SteveBattle> Sorry - didn't recognise the voice :(
Sorry - didn't recognise the voice :( ←
15:30:25 <MacTed> s/Henry,/dret,/
15:30:31 <bblfish> SteveBattle: I am on train with low connectivity
Henry Story: SteveBattle: I am on train with low connectivity ←
<SteveBattle> Subtopic: Issue-31
15:31:14 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: Issue-31: Does anybody disagree that we need a conformance section?
Arnaud Le Hors: ISSUE-31: Does anybody disagree that we need a conformance section? ←
15:31:28 <bblfish> Issue-31?
15:31:28 <trackbot> ISSUE-31 -- Proper Conformance section for LDP spec -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-31 -- Proper Conformance section for LDP spec -- open ←
15:31:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/31
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/31 ←
15:31:55 <SteveBattle> who is the speaker - is that fret?
who is the speaker - is that dret? ←
15:32:04 <SteveBattle> s/fret/dret/
15:32:41 <SteveBattle> sandro: The spec adds additional things like container deletion etc.
Sandro Hawke: The spec adds additional things like container deletion etc. ←
15:33:22 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: It makes sense to have a compliance section
Arnaud Le Hors: It makes sense to have a compliance section ←
15:33:24 <bblfish> zakim, who is talking?
Henry Story: zakim, who is talking? ←
15:33:36 <Zakim> bblfish, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: dret (18%), Arnaud (46%)
Zakim IRC Bot: bblfish, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: dret (18%), Arnaud (46%) ←
15:33:55 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: I'm happy to close issue-31 and let editors add a conformance section.
Arnaud Le Hors: I'm happy to close ISSUE-31 and let editors add a conformance section. ←
15:34:28 <SteveBattle> SteveS: I accept the action.
Steve Speicher: I accept the action. ←
15:34:45 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Close issue-31: agreed
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-31: agreed ←
15:34:50 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: closing issue-31
Arnaud Le Hors: closing ISSUE-31 ←
15:35:06 <Arnaud> ACTION: steves, add a conformance section to LDP spec
ACTION: steves, add a conformance section to LDP spec ←
15:35:06 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find steves,. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/users>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find steves,. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/users>. ←
15:35:14 <dret> sorry: yes, SteveBattle, that was me.
Erik Wilde: sorry: yes, SteveBattle, that was me. ←
15:35:14 <trackbot> ACTION-31
15:36:59 <Zakim> +bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish ←
15:38:07 <SteveBattle> subtopic: Issue-29
15:38:23 <bblfish> Issue-29?
15:38:23 <trackbot> ISSUE-29 -- Relative URIs are crucial -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-29 -- Relative URIs are crucial -- open ←
15:38:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/29
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/29 ←
15:39:01 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: This concerns the F2F where TBL implored us to support relative URIs in GETas well as PUT/POST
Arnaud Le Hors: This concerns the F2F where TBL implored us to support relative URIs in GETas well as PUT/POST ←
15:39:34 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: What does this mean for the spec?
Arnaud Le Hors: What does this mean for the spec? ←
15:39:39 <ericP> q+ to promote examples
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to promote examples ←
15:39:52 <bblfish> q+ to just thought of a really good use case for relative URIs: you could have a site that is both available on port 80, and also put it behind Tor in one quick click without having to rework everything
Henry Story: q+ to just thought of a really good use case for relative URIs: you could have a site that is both available on port 80, and also put it behind Tor in one quick click without having to rework everything ←
15:40:06 <SteveBattle> Sandro: I don't think this is a should/must for the spec. It's best practice.
Sandro Hawke: I don't think this is a should/must for the spec. It's best practice. ←
15:40:13 <SteveBattle> q+
q+ ←
15:40:37 <ericP> ack me
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ack me ←
15:40:37 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to promote examples
Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to promote examples ←
15:40:39 <Arnaud> ack ericp
Arnaud Le Hors: ack ericp ←
15:40:46 <SteveBattle> ericP: moot
Eric Prud'hommeaux: moot ←
15:40:52 <bblfish> q-
Henry Story: q- ←
15:41:04 <ericP> ericP: was going to say what sandro said
Eric Prud'hommeaux: was going to say what sandro said [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:41:13 <Arnaud> ack steveb
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steveb ←
15:41:16 <ericP> SteveBattle: we could discuss best practice in the Primer
Steve Battle: we could discuss best practice in the Primer [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:41:54 <dret> +1 to Arnaud
Erik Wilde: +1 to Arnaud ←
15:41:56 <SteveS> deiu "best practices" page I believe is started at http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Deployment_Guide
Steve Speicher: deiu "best practices" page I believe is started at http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Deployment_Guide ←
15:42:00 <ericP> ... for instance, when describing GET requests, we could describe best practice
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... for instance, when describing GET requests, we could describe best practice ←
15:42:02 <bblfish> I think relative URIs need to go into a section of the main spec when discussing POST for example
Henry Story: I think relative URIs need to go into a section of the main spec when discussing POST for example ←
15:42:03 <SteveBattle> Sandro: A throw-away couple of words could convey the idea
Sandro Hawke: A throw-away couple of words could convey the idea ←
15:42:42 <Zakim> -Ruben
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ruben ←
15:42:47 <SteveBattle> Sandro: A well-written primer can convey this informally.
Sandro Hawke: A well-written primer can convey this informally. ←
15:42:48 <deiu> SteveS, cheers (though that page is pretty useless at this point)
Andrei Sambra: SteveS, cheers (though that page is pretty useless at this point) ←
15:43:00 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
15:43:08 <SteveS> deiu got to start somewhere
Steve Speicher: deiu got to start somewhere ←
15:43:37 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: I haven't heard anyone say we need to change the spec.
Arnaud Le Hors: I haven't heard anyone say we need to change the spec. ←
15:43:39 <dret> primer or best practices, but spec would probably be the wrong place
Erik Wilde: primer or best practices, but spec would probably be the wrong place ←
15:43:43 <deiu> SteveS, I plan to do that, together with Alexandre (already started something internally)
Andrei Sambra: SteveS, I plan to do that, together with Alexandre (already started something internally) ←
15:43:51 <SteveBattle> q+
q+ ←
15:44:13 <SteveBattle> SteveS: This is currently listed in the deployment spec.
Steve Speicher: This is currently listed in the deployment spec. ←
15:44:16 <SteveS> See deployment guide http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Deployment_Guide
Steve Speicher: See deployment guide http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Deployment_Guide ←
15:44:17 <Arnaud> ack steveb
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steveb ←
15:44:19 <ericP> SteveS: it's already in the deployment guide which cygri started
Steve Speicher: it's already in the deployment guide which cygri started [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:44:38 <ericP> SteveBattle: i confused about the Deployment Guide vs. the Primer
Steve Battle: i confused about the Deployment Guide vs. the Primer [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:44:47 <bblfish> q+ to I think that examples in the spec should contain relative URIs when possible
Henry Story: q+ to I think that examples in the spec should contain relative URIs when possible ←
15:44:50 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: The primer is an introduction to the technology
Arnaud Le Hors: The primer is an introduction to the technology ←
15:45:01 <SteveS> The document itself says its purpose is: "This page collects various informative material, including best practices, design patterns and anti-patterns, related to LDP. It may or may not become a formal deliverable of the Working Group."
Steve Speicher: The document itself says its purpose is: "This page collects various informative material, including best practices, design patterns and anti-patterns, related to LDP. It may or may not become a formal deliverable of the Working Group." ←
15:45:05 <SteveBattle> The deployment guide accompanies the spec for experts.
The deployment guide accompanies the spec for experts. ←
15:45:10 <ericP> Arnaud: as i understand it, the Primer is for non-experts. the Deployment Guide is meant to complement the spec for experts
Arnaud Le Hors: as i understand it, the Primer is for non-experts. the Deployment Guide is meant to complement the spec for experts [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:46:04 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
15:46:12 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
15:46:12 <Zakim> bblfish, you wanted to I think that examples in the spec should contain relative URIs when possible
Zakim IRC Bot: bblfish, you wanted to I think that examples in the spec should contain relative URIs when possible ←
15:46:17 <AshokMalhotra> q+
Ashok Malhotra: q+ ←
15:46:22 <bblfish> I think that examples in the spec should contain relative URIs when possible
Henry Story: I think that examples in the spec should contain relative URIs when possible ←
15:46:50 <Arnaud> ack ashok
Arnaud Le Hors: ack ashok ←
15:47:09 <SteveBattle> Ashok: I agree, examples in the spec should show this.
Ashok Malhotra: I agree, examples in the spec should show this. ←
15:47:16 <Zakim> -bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish ←
15:47:48 <SteveBattle> SteveS: Yes we have examples that could use relative URIs.
Steve Speicher: Yes we have examples that could use relative URIs. ←
15:48:13 <Zakim> +??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←
15:48:20 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P8 is me
Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ??P8 is me ←
15:48:20 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +BartvanLeeuwen; got it ←
15:48:50 <Arnaud> ACTION: steves, check the LDP spec for examples in which relative URLs might be used
ACTION: steves, check the LDP spec for examples in which relative URLs might be used ←
15:48:50 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find steves,. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/users>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find steves,. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/users>. ←
15:48:50 <trackbot> ACTION-30
15:49:16 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: Proposing that we close issue-29
Arnaud Le Hors: Proposing that we close ISSUE-29 ←
15:49:37 <SteveBattle> +1
+1 ←
15:49:43 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
15:49:45 <deiu> +1
Andrei Sambra: +1 ←
15:49:45 <svillata> +1
Serena Villata: +1 ←
15:49:45 <krp> +1
Kevin Page: +1 ←
15:49:50 <SteveS> +1
Steve Speicher: +1 ←
15:49:56 <AshokMalhotra> +1
Ashok Malhotra: +1 ←
15:50:03 <nmihindu> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
15:50:06 <oberger_> regrets
Olivier Berger: regrets ←
15:50:16 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
15:50:31 <dret> +1
Erik Wilde: +1 ←
15:50:45 <Zakim> +bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish ←
15:50:58 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Close issue-29: it's a best practice covered in the deployment guide and examples in the LDP spec
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-29: it's a best practice covered in the deployment guide and examples in the LDP spec ←
15:52:26 <bblfish> yes patch is important :-)
Henry Story: yes patch is important :-) ←
15:52:34 <Zakim> -bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish ←
<SteveBattle> subtopic: Issues relating to PATCH: Issue-12, Issue-17, Issue-27
15:52:37 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: We have 3 issues relating to PATCH. 12, 17, 27
Arnaud Le Hors: We have 3 issues relating to PATCH. 12, 17, 27 ←
15:53:19 <SteveBattle> SteveS: I can gather the information together. There was some work done with tabulator and the R/W web.
Steve Speicher: I can gather the information together. There was some work done with tabulator and the R/W web. ←
15:54:02 <Zakim> +bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish ←
15:54:03 <SteveBattle> SteveS: The R/W web and tabulator use some subset of SPARQL update.
Steve Speicher: The R/W web and tabulator use some subset of SPARQL update. ←
15:54:07 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
15:55:04 <MacTed> subtopic: Issue-2 and issue-3: versioning
15:55:04 <trackbot> ISSUE-2 -- Do BPR versions get managed in a systematic, discoverable way? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-2 -- Do BPR versions get managed in a systematic, discoverable way? -- open ←
15:55:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/2
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/2 ←
15:55:07 <MacTed> issue-3?
15:55:07 <trackbot> ISSUE-3 -- Do BPC versions get managed in a systematic, discoverable way? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-3 -- Do BPC versions get managed in a systematic, discoverable way? -- open ←
15:55:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/3
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/3 ←
15:55:08 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: Do we want to do versioning? Issues 2 and 3
Arnaud Le Hors: Do we want to do versioning? Issues 2 and 3 ←
15:55:08 <bblfish> versioning is a modelling issue I think. I wrote a versioning model once
Henry Story: versioning is a modelling issue I think. I wrote a versioning model once ←
15:55:46 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: Maybe we shouldn't discuss this now, AndyS is the owner.
Arnaud Le Hors: Maybe we shouldn't discuss this now, AndyS is the owner. ←
15:55:55 <Zakim> -bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish ←
15:55:57 <dret> i read that as versioning LDP content, not the protocol
Erik Wilde: i read that as versioning LDP content, not the protocol ←
15:56:24 <dret> and i recommend to stay away from this for LDP core; it's a very complex issue.
Erik Wilde: and i recommend to stay away from this for LDP core; it's a very complex issue. ←
15:56:31 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: Is versioning handled by LDP or the application?\
Arnaud Le Hors: Is versioning handled by LDP or the application?\ ←
15:56:39 <dret> WebDAV
Erik Wilde: WebDAV ←
15:56:40 <MacTed> WebDAV...
Ted Thibodeau: WebDAV... ←
15:56:54 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:56:54 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted ←
15:57:05 <SteveBattle> ericP: Are there precedents?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Are there precedents? ←
15:57:34 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:57:34 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
15:57:57 <SteveBattle> Do we want to do it at all? It can get really ugly.
Do we want to do it at all? It can get really ugly. ←
15:58:02 <krp> also memento for time-based versioning http://www.mementoweb.org/guide/rfc/ID/ (but agree, better to decide whether we need to do this)
Kevin Page: also memento for time-based versioning http://www.mementoweb.org/guide/rfc/ID/ (but agree, better to decide whether we need to do this) ←
15:58:09 <SteveBattle> unsure of the speaker
unsure of the speaker ←
15:58:22 <Arnaud> speaker is dret
Arnaud Le Hors: speaker is dret ←
15:58:45 <AshokMalhotra> can soemone make a proposal?
Ashok Malhotra: can soemone make a proposal? ←
15:58:56 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
15:59:29 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: I'm sensing that the group isn't in favour of handling versioning in the spec.
Arnaud Le Hors: I'm sensing that the group isn't in favour of handling versioning in the spec. ←
15:59:30 <dret> it's a good feature, but not MMF.
Erik Wilde: it's a good feature, but not MMF. ←
15:59:53 <dret> +1
Erik Wilde: +1 ←
16:00:09 <ericP> AndyS, dret proposed that we not handle versioning unless there's a strong proponent. there was general support for this position.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: AndyS, dret proposed that we not handle versioning unless there's a strong proponent. there was general support for this position. ←
16:00:32 <SteveBattle> RESOLVED: Mark Issue-2 and Issue-3 as pending review, we'll look at it with Andy next week
RESOLVED: Mark ISSUE-2 and ISSUE-3 as pending review, we'll look at it with Andy next week ←
16:01:20 <SteveBattle> Arnaud: Remember the best way to make progress is to make a proposal.
Arnaud Le Hors: Remember the best way to make progress is to make a proposal. ←
16:01:26 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra ←
16:01:38 <SteveBattle> see minutes for last meeting.
see minutes for last meeting. ←
16:02:07 <dret> thanks Arnaud, thanks SteveBattle, thanks everybody!
Erik Wilde: thanks Arnaud, thanks SteveBattle, thanks everybody! ←
16:02:13 <Zakim> -oberger
Zakim IRC Bot: -oberger ←
16:02:14 <SteveBattle> bye
bye ←
16:02:14 <Zakim> -SteveS
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS ←
16:02:19 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
16:02:20 <Zakim> -Yves
Zakim IRC Bot: -Yves ←
16:02:20 <Zakim> -MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed ←
16:02:21 <Zakim> -svillata
Zakim IRC Bot: -svillata ←
16:02:21 <Zakim> -dret
Zakim IRC Bot: -dret ←
16:02:21 <Zakim> -deiu
Zakim IRC Bot: -deiu ←
16:02:21 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
16:02:22 <Zakim> -EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP ←
16:02:25 <Zakim> -krp
Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←
16:02:50 <Zakim> -SteveBattle
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveBattle ←
16:04:41 <bblfish> I must have missed the end
Henry Story: I must have missed the end ←
16:06:23 <bblfish> have the meeting minutes been published?
Henry Story: have the meeting minutes been published? ←
16:07:05 <bblfish> zakim, publsh minutes
Henry Story: zakim, publsh minutes ←
16:07:05 <Zakim> I don't understand 'publsh minutes', bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'publsh minutes', bblfish ←
16:07:13 <bblfish> zakim, publish minutes
Henry Story: zakim, publish minutes ←
16:07:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'publish minutes', bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'publish minutes', bblfish ←
16:08:16 <deiu> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Andrei Sambra: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
16:08:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-minutes.html deiu
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-minutes.html deiu ←
16:08:18 <bblfish> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Henry Story: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
16:08:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-minutes.html bblfish
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-minutes.html bblfish ←
16:08:41 <deiu> RRSAgent, please publish minutes
Andrei Sambra: RRSAgent, please publish minutes ←
16:08:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-minutes.html deiu
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-minutes.html deiu ←
16:08:59 <bblfish> ah I think they are still protected
Henry Story: ah I think they are still protected ←
16:16:20 <MacTed> RRSAgent, set logs public
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Ted Thibodeau: RRSAgent, set logs public ←
16:16:38 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here? ←
16:16:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, nmihindu (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, nmihindu (muted) ←
16:16:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see bblfish, MacTed, achille_z, Zakim, RRSAgent, dret, SteveS, deiu, webr3, Arnaud, jmvanel, trackbot, Yves, sandro, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bblfish, MacTed, achille_z, Zakim, RRSAgent, dret, SteveS, deiu, webr3, Arnaud, jmvanel, trackbot, Yves, sandro, ericP ←
16:17:12 <MacTed> Zakim, drop BartvanLeeuwen
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, drop BartvanLeeuwen ←
16:17:12 <Zakim> BartvanLeeuwen is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: BartvanLeeuwen is being disconnected ←
16:17:14 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen
Zakim IRC Bot: -BartvanLeeuwen ←
16:17:16 <MacTed> Zakim, drop nmihindu
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, drop nmihindu ←
16:17:17 <Zakim> nmihindu is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: nmihindu is being disconnected ←
16:17:18 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended ←
16:17:18 <Zakim> Attendees were dret, BartvanLeeuwen, +44.754.550.aaaa, SteveS, Ruben, Arnaud, deiu, MacTed, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveBattle, EricP, Yves, nmihindu, oberger, krp, Sandro, svillata,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were dret, BartvanLeeuwen, +44.754.550.aaaa, SteveS, Ruben, Arnaud, deiu, MacTed, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveBattle, EricP, Yves, nmihindu, oberger, krp, Sandro, svillata, ←
16:17:18 <Zakim> ... bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: ... bblfish ←
16:17:23 <MacTed> trackbot, end meeting
Ted Thibodeau: trackbot, end meeting ←
16:17:23 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
16:17:23 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is ←
16:17:31 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
16:17:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-minutes.html trackbot ←
16:17:32 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
16:17:32 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-actions.rdf : ←
16:17:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: steves, add a conformance section to LDP spec [1]
ACTION: steves, add a conformance section to LDP spec [1] ←
16:17:32 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-irc#T15-35-06
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-irc#T15-35-06 ←
<SteveBattle> [1] ACTION-30 http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/30
[1] ACTION-30 http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/30 ←
16:17:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: steves, check the LDP spec for examples in which relative URLs might be used [2]
ACTION: steves, check the LDP spec for examples in which relative URLs might be used [2] ←
16:17:32 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-irc#T15-48-35
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/26-ldp-irc#T15-48-35 ←
<SteveBattle> [2] ACTION-31 http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/31
[2] ACTION-31 http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/31 ←
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