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<aphillip> Update qa-byte-order-mark document
<aphillip> Prepare some examples of ITS2NIF showing NFC issue for consideration next week
<aphillip> close ACTION-145
<trackbot> ACTION-145 Prepare some examples of ITS2NIF showing NFC issue for consideration next week closed
<r12a> David, I just muted you on IRC
<aphillip> close ACTION-147
<trackbot> ACTION-147 Send TPAC registration reminder closed
<r12a> because of echo
<aphillip> close ACTION-152
<trackbot> ACTION-152 Write summary of before/after issue for consideration by WG closed
<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
<aphillip> close ACTION-153
<trackbot> ACTION-153 Reserve time on zakim for tpac calls closed
<aphillip> close ACTION-154
<trackbot> ACTION-154 Send invites to HTML editors to coordinate with richard over tpac meeting closed
<aphillip> close ACTION-155
<trackbot> ACTION-155 Update our time to 4 PM UTC closed
<aphillip> Write tests for unicode-bidi: isolate
<aphillip> matial: there is a group in israel for writing tests like this
<aphillip> ... maybe give to them?
<aphillip> ... talk to Aharon
<aphillip> richard: good idea
<r12a> ACTION: Richard to contact Aharon about creating tests for unicode-bidi: isolate [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/07-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-158 - Contact Aharon about creating tests for unicode-bidi: isolate [on Richard Ishida - due 2012-11-14].
<r12a> close ACTION-156
<trackbot> ACTION-156 Write tests for unicode-bidi: isolate closed
<aphillip> Tell CSS about WG consensus on case folding
<aphillip> richard: told relevant people but not writing yet
<aphillip> ... Tab asked a complex question I didn't know answer to
<aphillip> richard: first two days I sat in reception and accosted people
<aphillip> ... met a GOOG engineer mgr from JP
<aphillip> ... talked about ruby model in HTML5
<aphillip> ... he had requirements to implement double-sided ruby
<aphillip> addison: I'm also keen on double-sided ruby
<aphillip> richard: also spoke to opera about impl
<aphillip> ... also got some contacts to chase at apple
<aphillip> richard: html planning to go to CR in about a week
<aphillip> richard: had a session with html5 wg
<aphillip> ... half of session taken up by talking about ruby
<aphillip> ... and there was take up by html folk
<matial> Sound has become very sporadic
<aphillip> ... and fantasai + robin berjon have task to re-write ruby as an HTML5 extension
<aphillip> addison: she's interested in complex ruby?
<aphillip> richard: right. concerned that this may put existing stuff at risk?
<aphillip> ... they will try to fast track proposal so implementers can get to fast
<aphillip> felix: talked to kobayashi
<aphillip> ... attending upcoming epub workshop in NY
<aphillip> ... some people are aware of issues
<aphillip> ... would be good if folks attended workshop
<aphillip> ... February workship I think?
<aphillip> richard: presentation about bidi to HTML5
<aphillip> ... two new values of @dir
<aphillip> ... current description seemed asymmetric
<aphillip> ... and there were problems with using <bdi>
<aphillip> ... particularly microformats
<aphillip> ... so Aharon wrote a blog post draft
<aphillip> ... will publish soon
<aphillip> ... don't want to get rid of <bdi>
<aphillip> ... but really we want a way to get isolation without putting <bdi> everywhere
<aphillip> ... Unicode adding LRI, RLI, FSI, and PDI
<aphillip> ... so implications to markup and css
<aphillip> richard: wean authors off rtl/ltr to use the isolates
<aphillip> ... names not settled
<aphillip> ... and rewrite articles
<aphillip> ... would reduce size a lot
<aphillip> ... html5 folks suggested new attribute @isolate ??
<aphillip> richard: we need to write an HTML5 extension
<aphillip> ... robin berjon will help us
<aphillip> ... if we can get two browsers to implement, then may be able to fold in
<aphillip> ... good chance of that if we get two implementations
<aphillip> addison: anyone lined up?
<aphillip> richard: no
<aphillip> ... first step is publish blog post
<aphillip> richard: Korean
<aphillip> ... making some progress. no one from korean office at tpac?
<aphillip> ... did find chinese office person
<matial> I have to leave now. I may be able to reconnect from my car, maybe not.
<aphillip> ... folks from india office
<aphillip> ... may get new recruit which could help
<aphillip> richard: also spoke to Tab about counter-styles
<aphillip> ... close to publication
<aphillip> richard: norbert attended webapps and they talked about input/IME spec
<aphillip> ... don't have details
<aphillip> richard: reconfirmed process for submitting bugs to HTML
<aphillip> ... html5.1 soon
<aphillip> richard: before/after decision put off?
<aphillip> ... koji seemed happy about that
<aphillip> ... they did discount head/foot
<aphillip> ... didn't like before-block or after-block or two word things would be a good idea
<aphillip> richard: talked case sensitivity
<aphillip> ... and back to css with "Unicode case folding"
<aphillip> richard: met with MLW-LT
<aphillip> ... under tight schedule
<aphillip> ... don't know how to address ruby or directionality due to other work going on
<aphillip> ... so blanking for now?
<aphillip> felix: non-normative text for now
<aphillip> ... with a note to that effect
<aphillip> ... may be able to have another LC if more material arrives in a timely way
<aphillip> richard: no one to implement?
<aphillip> ... are implementation of ruby or dir simply a web page?
<aphillip> felix: just get spec to say right thing
<aphillip> ... for implementations... happy with what gets us through w3c process
<aphillip> ... and we have some examples that make use of the metadata somehow
<aphillip> ... just a web page would make me happy
<aphillip> richard: met with xliff folks as well
<aphillip> ... who had similar questions
<aphillip> ... bidi is different from ruby
<fsasaki> for the record, we have metadata items that are applied in applications, e.g. an HTML2XLIFF tool - we just need to make sure that we get through the w3c process if the dir / ruby tests are "just web pages" (would be fine by me, just mentioning this)
<fsasaki> +1 to wednesday, great breakout session(s)
<aphillip> richard: anne walked through it
<aphillip> ... norbert seemed okay
<aphillip> ... have a problem since anne might not be able to edit the document
<aphillip> ... can participate in the IG
<aphillip> addison: will be the editor or at least our editor
<aphillip> richard: also worked through outstanding html5 issues
<aphillip> ... ran out of time with html5
<aphillip> ... issues raised by cameron jones related to using locale info
<aphillip> ... did talk about that all issues with html5
<aphillip> ... need to talk more to carmeron
<aphillip> richard: slightly disagree wtih addison; think we should have a separate attribute for calendar
<aphillip> richard: worked through writing-mode issues list all issues
<aphillip> ... koji to talk to elika about that
<DavidClarke> Nothing from me
<aphillip> only one issue left for writing-mode
<DavidClarke> will call be at 16:00 UTC next week?
<DavidClarke> I believe so
<DavidClarke> bye