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<trackbot> Date: 18 July 2012

<scribe> Scribe: Addison Phillips

<scribe> ScribeNick: aphillip

Agenda and Minutes

Action Items

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

Ping Adil about status of bidi IRI examples/tests and any documentation or efforts in that direction

from adil: I have worked on some tests. I have some urgent things to fiinish this week but I should be able to get these to you Monday.

close ACTION-136

<trackbot> ACTION-136 Add CSS3 Flexbox comments to tracker and forward to CSS WG closed

Follow up on Web Notifications in three separate emails to separate threads, closing off localized fragments and direction and asking for resolution on language

close ACTION-138

<trackbot> ACTION-138 Follow up on Web Notifications in three separate emails to separate threads, closing off localized fragments and direction and asking for resolution on language closed

Info Share

andrew: finially have sign off on a 2-year project on translations on-line with a view to creating guidelines
... will be able to make translations available under our own terms
... focus on less-used languages, languages difficult to deploy on web currently

<r12a> http://rishida.net/blog/?p=946

richard: put up a new build

<r12a> UnicodeData checker tool

richard: UnicodeDataChecker tool
... link is :

<r12a> http://rishida.net/tools/unicodedata/

richard: parses the UCD UnicodeData.txt file and lets you find the data easily
... can also edit the file, can use for making proposals for new scripts for example
... Geek Week. Working on updating our test results pages

BOM recommendation in our QA document

http://www.unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2012-m07/0249.html

http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-byte-order-mark

richard: wrestled with this myself and started writing a new version
... there are circumstances where it can still cause problems
... but thinking along these lines

<scribe> ACTION: richard: update qa-byte-order-mark document targetting end-of-August for review [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/07/18-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-139 - Update qa-byte-order-mark document targetting end-of-August for review [on Richard Ishida - due 2012-07-25].

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-bom

richard: shouldn't mandate, but not tell people not to use it either

andrewc: doesn't matter if used or not in terms of browsers, just so long as developers are aware that libraries or tools may "chuck a fit" over the BOM

norbert: want to say "don't use it", but some tools do it behind your back

CSS3 Writing-Mode

http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-writing-modes/

fantasai: UTR#50 timing doesn't match our document timeline, but CSS Wg doesn't want to publish a separate table
... stuck on some controversial characters
... if I18N thought an interim table were a good idea (dot dot dot)

norbert: why is it called "writing mode" instead of "writing direction"?

fantasai: historical reasons
... need utr50 stabilization
... need quote marks and tate-chu-yoko to be addressed (perhaps separate TCY?)

SRI vs. IRI

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-klensin-iri-sri-00

<matial> I did.

<David> I did

norbert: is this the thing we'd put on the side of the proverbial bus?

addison: don't see how this solves the problem?

<David> I don't see that it solves any problems

<matial> I don't like it either.

addison: propose we say (1) we think this is a bad idea, (2) don't know what this solves, and (3) we continue to support IRI and wish it were done

<scribe> ACTION: addison: write to public-iri expressing support for IRI and a lack of support for SRI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/07/18-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-140 - Write to public-iri expressing support for IRI and a lack of support for SRI [on Addison Phillips - due 2012-07-25].

ECMAScript globalization spec

http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=globalization:specification_drafts

Norbert: spec for extension to ES language specification
... had poor I18N for a long time
... didn't do much useful, so this introduces a few core bits
... string compare (collation), number formatting, date/time formatting
... most of spec is negotiating locales, how to handle Unicode locale extension to BCP 47
... and so on
... doesn't specify how, for example, how to do collation or how to localize number formats
... implementations define these
... timeline is next week a TC39 review
... final review by TC39 in September (approve it)
... and then to general assembly in December for approval
... when passing in empty string as locale argument, it will be interpreted as empty array, so you get default locales and supported locales is an empty list

AOB?

<matial> Bye

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Found Scribe: Addison Phillips
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Default Present: Addison_Phillips, Richard, andrewc, matial, fantasai, Norbert, dclarke
Present: Addison_Phillips Richard andrewc matial fantasai Norbert dclarke
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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2012Jul/0005.html
Found Date: 18 Jul 2012
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