<trackbot> Date: 19 June 2012

<scribe> scribenick: ivan

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<mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2012/06/12-rdb2rdf-minutes.html

+1

RESOLUTION: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2012/06/12-rdb2rdf-minutes.html

SemTech 2012

Semtech

Ashok: I was at semtech 2 weeks ago, a number of people were there: juan, ivan, sour, seema

… I went to a number of talks

… and I found out that lots of people, not on the wg, people we have never spoken to, have implemented our spec

… e.g., the us dod

… I thought i would just share this, it was wonderful to see this

<dmcneil> +q

dmcneil: the dod uses an implementation from a sister company of ours

Ashok: are they using a different one or is it yours?

dmcneil: afaik, they are using ours

… they would talk about a revelytix product

<mhausenblas> Michael: Congrats to Revelytix, then ;)

<mhausenblas> … and OpenLink!

MacTed: dod is working on a number of different products and projects, I would not be surprised if they used all kinds of products like ours, or even their own implementation

mhausenblas: that is good news anyway

… other things from semtech?

scribe: ...
...

Souri: i want to mention that it was a pleasant surprise going to talks, not thinking about rdb2rdf, and people were talking about using this

… I did not expect that

… a nice surprise

… the product can be of a different companies

… it was a very nice surprise

mhausenblas: the general awareness is pretty much there

… anything we can do?

Ashok: there was a panel with juan and souri and jens asman from franz inc, and revelytix

… maybe think about to iswc

… something combined thing there?

mhausenblas: a tutorial?

Ashok: I thought there was one

ericP: I gave a tutorial at semtech

mhausenblas: all these are great

… is the academic environment the right place?

… i.e. iswc the right place?

<cygri> http://www.slideshare.net/der42/industrialized-linked-data

<mhausenblas> Michael: I think we should be selective with the dissemination channels in terms of tutorials (more towards industry) - set of re-usable presentations would be good to have

cygri: on semtech, dave reynolds works with public sector organizations in the uk

… he had a presentation where he showed and extension of r3rml for rdf spreadsheets

… and an rdf generated vocabulary was generated

… not many details there

… we are not yet ready and people are already extending it...

implementation report

<mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Implementations

mhausenblas: i have created a new table (see link)

… it focusses on the known implementations

… using the available reports

… richard, eric and boris, you should provide the impl. report

… either on our own site or attach it to the wiki

… questions?

(huge silence)

cygri: do we have an indication whether the earl reports work with boris' tooling?

… we are working on the earl report at the moment

<mhausenblas> ACTION: Hausenblas to check back with Boris if the EARL reports already available are usable for generating the IR [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/19-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-206 - Check back with Boris if the EARL reports already available are usable for generating the IR [on Michael Hausenblas - due 2012-06-26].

… we could just save time by using another report as a template if it works for him

mhausenblas: is there any chance, david, that you would submit anything

dmcneil: in the couple of weeks we plan to start with the latest version of the spec

mhausenblas: we have sufficient covering

… 5 covering r2rml

… 4 covering dm

… I think we are fine to go ahead

Ashok: we should be fine

<mhausenblas> scribenick: mhausenblas

ivan: when you say coverage you mean all impl cover all TC?
... second thing is that we can choose to have a live document but we need a frozen version for the PR phase

<ivan> scribenick: ivan

mhausenblas: yes, we have to make snapshot

… for the first question I did not mean all implementation pass all the test cases

… but I am sure that we have the minimum required implementation for each test

mhausenblas: we can prepare the resolution modulo the implantation report of Boris

… or we can plan to do it next tuesday

… both options work for me

<Zakim> cygri, you wanted to ask about editorial changes and bugfixes to the specs

cygri: it makes sense to not rush

… we also know that there are some small editor issue in the dm spec

… i also noticed some small things in the r2rml spec

… fixing another week would be better

… to make everything absolutely ready

<Ashok> +1 to Richard

mhausenblas: that is fine with me

… plan is that i talk to boris after the call

… based on the impl reports to have

ericP: I have submitted a while ago, but I have problems with oracle

… I can resubmit without oracle

ericP: richard suggested to use urls for the various databases

… anybody has a proposal or I would just come up with some

mhausenblas: if you have a proposal?

cygri: there is a wiki page that is linked from the spec

<cygri> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/RDB2RDF/SQL_Version_IRIs

<mhausenblas> Thanks, Richard

<MacTed> I'm afraid those URIs (or their definitions) are insufficient. "Oracle" doesn't mean "Oracle 11g" nor "Oracle 11.0.3.2" nor...

<cygri> MacTed: "some unspecified version of oracle"?

<mhausenblas> Ivan: Can we get everything done till Tue 26 June (IR + editorial changes)?

<mhausenblas> Richard: Sounds realistic

<mhausenblas> Eric: Have to check back with Richard

<MacTed> cygri - that generalization will remain valid for a long time, but I can all but guarantee that some implementation(s) will pass against Oracle 11 and not against Oracle 10/9/8/7 (which are all still in production deployment)

Ashok: the hardest is to have the implementation report

… michael, you can tell us whether it is feasible next week

mhausenblas: there are 2 aspects to that

… turn the earl report into nice tables

… but we need the missing reports

… I am not worried for the table

… the plan would be to have everything done by then

<cygri> MacTed, i agree. would be better to be specific about the version where one had the tests pass. something to raise with boris?

<MacTed> cygri - yes, I think so. I think the list will also need expansion to include at least (current versions of) Ingres, Progress OpenEdge, DB2, Informix, Sybase ASE, Sybase SQL Anywhere, OpenLink Virtuoso...

<cygri> MacTed, +1. it's a wiki :-)

ericP: just to understand a test case

<MacTed> cygri - yes, it's a wiki, but it also says "please send email to the rdb2rdf-comments mailing list or contact the R2RML editors" and I'm not an editor. ;-)

… there is a test that tests binary datatypes

… that chagned recently

scribe: the original data was to be a .png file

… i wanted to know what the binary format was supposed to be

cygri: this made sense with base64 encoding

<ericP> cygri, i'll linger to finish the hexencoding use case

<mhausenblas> (meeting adjourned)

<nunolopes> cheers

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