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15:20:27 <trackbot> Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:20:27 <trackbot> Date: 19 June 2012
15:20:41 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2012Jun/0032.html
15:20:45 <mhausenblas> Chair: Michael
15:20:53 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:20:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/19-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:21:04 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:21:12 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Boris
15:21:28 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Seema
15:21:34 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Juan
15:21:41 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Marcelo
15:21:46 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:21:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/19-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
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15:58:54 <MacTed> Zakim, aaaa is OpenLink_Software
15:58:54 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software; got it
15:58:59 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
15:58:59 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
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15:59:36 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aabb is me
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15:59:40 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
15:59:40 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
15:59:47 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
15:59:47 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
15:59:47 <mhausenblas> Zakim, cygri is with me
15:59:49 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
15:59:49 <Zakim> +Ivan
16:00:02 <mhausenblas> present+ Ted
16:00:08 <mhausenblas> present+ Michael
16:00:37 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aacc is dmcneil 
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16:00:42 <mhausenblas> present+ David
16:00:47 <mhausenblas> present+ Ashok
16:00:52 <mhausenblas> present+ Ivan
16:00:57 <mhausenblas> present+ Richard
16:01:04 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:01:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/19-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
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16:03:12 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aadd is Souri
16:03:12 <Zakim> +Souri; got it
16:03:19 <Zakim> + +35385271aaee
16:03:20 <mhausenblas> present+ Eric
16:03:30 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aaee is nunolopes 
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16:03:34 <mhausenblas> present+ Nuno
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16:03:47 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:03:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/19-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:04:52 <ivan> scribenick: ivan
16:05:00 <mhausenblas> Topic: Admin
16:05:03 <nunolopes> Zakim, mute me
16:05:03 <Zakim> nunolopes should now be muted
16:05:08 <ivan> scribe: Ivan
16:05:12 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2012/06/12-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
16:05:28 <ivan> +1
16:05:39 <ivan> RESOLVED: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2012/06/12-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
16:05:44 <mhausenblas> Topic: SemTech 2012
16:05:45 <ivan> Topic: Semtech
16:06:12 <ivan> Ashok: I was at semtech 2 weeks ago, a number of people were there: juan, ivan, sour, seema
16:06:23 <ivan> … I went to a number of talks
16:06:43 <ivan> … and I found out that lots of people, not on the wg, people we have never spoken to, have implemented our spec
16:06:50 <ivan> … e.g., the us dod
16:07:03 <ivan> … I thought i would just share this, it was wonderful to see this
16:07:09 <dmcneil> +q
16:07:20 <mhausenblas> ack dmcneil 
16:07:43 <ivan> dmcneil: the dod uses an implementation from a sister company of ours
16:07:57 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
16:07:57 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
16:08:00 <MacTed> q+
16:08:01 <ivan> Ashok: are they using a different one or is it yours?
16:08:02 <mhausenblas> q?
16:08:09 <ivan> dmcneil: afaik, they are using ours
16:08:22 <ivan> … they would talk about a revelytix product
16:08:41 <mhausenblas> Michael: Congrats to Revelytix, then ;)
16:08:49 <mhausenblas> … and OpenLink!
16:08:59 <ivan> MacTed: dod is working on a number of different products and projects, I would not be surprised if they used all kinds of products like ours, or even their own implementation
16:09:11 <ivan> mhausenblas: that is good news anyway
16:09:18 <ivan> … other things from semtech?
16:09:30 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
16:09:30 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
16:09:33 <ivan> ...
16:09:35 <ivan> ...
16:09:38 <ivan> ...
16:09:42 <mhausenblas> q?
16:09:45 <mhausenblas> ack MacTed 
16:10:15 <ivan> Souri: i want to mention that it was a pleasant surprise going to talks, not thinking about rdb2rdf, and people were talking about using this
16:10:21 <ivan> … I did not expect that
16:10:26 <ivan> … a nice surprise
16:10:39 <ivan> … the product can be of a different companies
16:10:47 <ivan> … it was a very nice surprise
16:10:57 <ivan> mhausenblas: the general awareness is pretty much there
16:11:00 <ivan> q+
16:11:07 <ivan> … anything we can do?
16:11:39 <ivan> Ashok: there was a panel with juan and souri and jens asman from franz inc, and revelytix
16:11:54 <ivan> … maybe think about to iswc 
16:12:05 <ivan> … something combined thing there?
16:12:11 <ivan> mhausenblas: a tutorial?
16:12:22 <ivan> Ashok: I thought there was one
16:12:23 <ivan> ericP: I gave a tutorial at semtech
16:12:34 <ivan> mhausenblas: all these are great
16:12:47 <ivan> … is the academic environment the right place?
16:12:58 <ivan> … i.e. iswc the right place?
16:12:59 <mhausenblas> q?
16:13:07 <mhausenblas> ack ivan
16:13:08 <cygri> q+
16:13:54 <cygri> http://www.slideshare.net/der42/industrialized-linked-data
16:14:03 <mhausenblas> Michael: I think we should be selective with the dissemination channels in terms of tutorials (more towards industry) - set of re-usable presentations would be good to have
16:14:05 <mhausenblas> q?
16:14:07 <mhausenblas> ack cygri 
16:14:14 <ivan> cygri: on semtech, dave reynolds works with public sector organizations in the uk
16:14:34 <ivan> … he had a presentation where he showed and extension of r3rml for rdf spreadsheets
16:14:52 <ivan> … and an rdf generated vocabulary was generated
16:15:02 <ivan> … not many details there
16:15:08 <mhausenblas> q?
16:15:12 <ivan> … we are not yet ready and people are already extending it...
16:15:43 <ivan> topic: implementation report
16:15:46 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Implementations
16:15:56 <ivan> mhausenblas: i have created a new table (see link)
16:16:04 <ivan> … it focusses on the known implementations 
16:16:16 <ivan> … using the available reports
16:16:30 <ivan> … richard, eric and boris, you should provide the impl. report
16:16:39 <ivan> … either on our own site or attach it to the wiki
16:16:50 <ivan> … questions?
16:16:59 <ivan> (huge silence)
16:17:01 <cygri> q+
16:17:08 <mhausenblas> ack cygri 
16:17:30 <ivan> cygri: do we have an indication whether the earl reports work with boris' tooling?
16:17:40 <ivan> … we are working on the earl report at the moment
16:17:59 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Hausenblas to check back with Boris if the EARL reports already available are usable for generating the IR
16:17:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-206 - Check back with Boris if the EARL reports already available are usable for generating the IR [on Michael Hausenblas - due 2012-06-26].
16:18:01 <ivan> … we could just save time by using another report as a template if it works for him
16:19:30 <ivan> mhausenblas: is there any chance, david, that you would submit anything 
16:19:45 <ivan> dmcneil: in the couple of weeks we plan to switch to the latest version of the spec
16:19:55 <ivan> mhausenblas: we have sufficient covering
16:20:01 <ivan> … 5 covering r2rml
16:20:06 <ivan> … 4 covering dm
16:20:15 <ivan> … I think we are fine to go ahead
16:20:23 <ivan> Ashok: we should be fine
16:20:28 <ivan> q+
16:21:02 <mhausenblas> q?
16:21:24 <ivan> s/to switch to/to start with/
16:21:37 <mhausenblas> ack ivan
16:21:39 <mhausenblas> q?
16:21:55 <mhausenblas> scribenick: mhausenblas 
16:22:19 <mhausenblas> ivan: when you say coverage you mean all impl cover all TC?
16:23:06 <mhausenblas> ivan: second thing is that we can choose to have a live document but we need a frozen version for the PR phase
16:23:14 <ivan> scribenick: ivan
16:23:23 <ivan> mhausenblas: yes, we have to make snapshot
16:23:39 <ivan> … for the first question I did not mean all implementation pass all the test cases
16:24:08 <ivan> … but I am sure that we have the minimum required implementation for each test
16:24:55 <ivan> mhausenblas: we can prepare the resolution modulo the implantation report of Boris
16:25:07 <ivan> … or we can plan to do it next tuesday
16:25:14 <ivan> … both options work for me
16:25:23 <cygri> q+ to ask about editorial changes and bugfixes to the specs
16:25:33 <mhausenblas> q?
16:25:36 <mhausenblas> ack cygri 
16:25:36 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to ask about editorial changes and bugfixes to the specs
16:25:46 <ivan> cygri: it makes sense to not rush
16:25:58 <ivan> … we also know that there are some small editor issue in the dm spec
16:26:13 <ivan> … i also noticed some small things in the r2rml spec
16:26:23 <ivan> … fixing another week would be better
16:26:32 <ivan> … to make everything absolutely ready
16:26:36 <Ashok> +1 to Richard
16:26:41 <ivan> mhausenblas: that is fine with me
16:26:53 <ivan> … plan is that i talk to boris after the call
16:27:03 <ivan> … based on the impl reports to have
16:27:22 <ivan> ericP: I have submitted a while ago, but I have problems with oracle
16:27:32 <ivan> … I can resubmit without oracle
16:27:51 <ivan> ericP: richard suggested to use urls for the various databases
16:28:03 <ivan> … anybody has a proposal or I would just come up with some
16:28:15 <ivan> mhausenblas: if you have a proposal?
16:28:25 <ivan> cygri: there is a wiki page that is linked from the spec
16:28:39 <ivan> q+
16:28:48 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/RDB2RDF/SQL_Version_IRIs
16:28:58 <mhausenblas> Thanks, Richard
16:29:02 <mhausenblas> ack ivan 
16:29:45 <MacTed> I'm afraid those URIs (or their definitions) are insufficient.  "Oracle" doesn't mean "Oracle 11g" nor "Oracle 11.0.3.2" nor...
16:30:19 <cygri> MacTed: "some unspecified version of oracle"?
16:30:24 <mhausenblas> Ivan: Can we get everything done till Tue 26 June (IR + editorial changes)?
16:30:49 <mhausenblas> Richard: Sounds realistic
16:30:59 <mhausenblas> Eric: Have to check back with Richard
16:31:13 <mhausenblas> q?
16:31:41 <MacTed> cygri - that generalization will remain valid for a long time, but I can all but guarantee that some implementation(s) will pass against Oracle 11 and not against Oracle 10/9/8/7 (which are all still in production deployment)
16:32:22 <ivan> Ashok: the hardest is to have the implementation report
16:32:31 <ivan> … michael, you can tell us whether it is feasible next week
16:32:39 <ivan> mhausenblas: there are 2 aspects to that
16:32:48 <ivan> … turn the earl report into nice tables
16:32:54 <ivan> … but we need the missing reports
16:33:03 <ivan> … I am not worried for the table
16:33:48 <ivan> … the plan would be to have everything done by then
16:33:53 <cygri> MacTed, i agree. would be better to be specific about the version where one had the tests pass. something to raise with boris?
16:34:27 <mhausenblas> q?
16:35:35 <MacTed> cygri - yes, I think so.  I think the list will also need expansion to include at least (current versions of) Ingres, Progress OpenEdge, DB2, Informix, Sybase ASE, Sybase SQL Anywhere, OpenLink Virtuoso...
16:36:04 <cygri> MacTed, +1. it's a wiki :-)
16:37:52 <ivan> ericP: just to understand a test case
16:37:58 <MacTed> cygri - yes, it's a wiki, but it also says "please send email to the rdb2rdf-comments mailing list or contact the R2RML editors" and I'm not an editor.  ;-)
16:38:15 <ivan> … there is a test that tests binary datatypes
16:38:21 <ivan> … that chagned recently
16:38:31 <ivan> .. the original data was to be a .png file
16:38:44 <ivan> … i wanted to know what the binary format was supposed to be
16:38:55 <ivan> cygri: this made sense with base64 encoding
16:40:27 <ericP> cygri, i'll linger to finish the hexencoding use case
16:40:45 <mhausenblas> (meeting adjourned)
16:40:52 <nunolopes> cheers
16:40:54 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:40:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/19-rdb2rdf-minutes.html ivan
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16:41:36 <mhausenblas> trackbot, end telecon
16:41:36 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:41:36 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.781.273.aaaa, MacTed, +3539149aabb, mhausenblas, +1.314.395.aacc, Ashok_Malhotra, cygri, Ivan, dmcneil, +1.603.897.aadd, EricP, Souri,
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16:41:44 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:41:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/19-rdb2rdf-minutes.html trackbot
16:41:45 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:41:45 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/19-rdb2rdf-actions.rdf :
16:41:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Hausenblas to check back with Boris if the EARL reports already available are usable for generating the IR [1]
16:41:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/19-rdb2rdf-irc#T16-17-59