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<trackbot> Date: 21 March 2012
<ivan> Agenda call
Quick intros before meeting start ...
<danbri> (I chair SWIG aka www.w3.org/2001/sw/interest/ )
<ivan> http://www.w3.org/2012/03/07-swcg-minutes.html -> last minutes
Lee Feigenbaum (SPARQL), Tom Baker (Library … please fill in Tom), Bernadette Hyland (Gov LD WG), Dave Wood (RDF WG), George Thomas (Gov LD WG) and Dan Brickley (SWIG) and Felix Sasaki (DSKI AI, co-chair Multilingual WG)
Accepted: Minutes from two weeks ago
http://www.w3.org/2012/03/07-swcg-minutes.html
<fsasaki> S/DSKI AI/DFKI/
<danbri> tbaker, I was asked "RT @prototypo: Why does the #SchemaOrg site still fail to mention #RDFa positively after search engines agreed to support it? // CC: @danbri"
<tbaker> Tom Baker: former co-chair Semantic Web Deployment WG, and Library Linked Data Incubator Group
Congratulations to RDFa 1.1 is in CR, see blogpost on this http://www.w3.org/blog/SW/2012/03/13/rdfa-1-1-core-rdfa-lite-and-xhtmlrdfa-published-as-candidate-recommendations/
… Ivan and Felix recently at a EU workshop together and there are issues/work that Ivan wanted Felix to appraise the SWCG about
<fsasaki> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-semweb-cg/2012Mar/0022.html
fsasaki: Described the diverse community & stakeholders in the multilingual efforts. More and more Linked Open Data being used, e.g., WordNet
… Language technology can be used to link lexicons, conceptual models. Helps to develop/widen reach of LOD.
… Can help to connect sem web vocabs.
… "The localization industry has more and more content to be translated in
more and more languages on the Web. Resources provided as LOD are seen as
key to make this happen."
How to make this concrete?
… Formation of the MultilingualWeb-LT working group
http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/
https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=53116&public=1
which encompasses participants from all above areas. The goal of this group
is very specific, see the charter
http://www.w3.org/2011/12/mlw-lt-charter
Goals include: defining metadata that helps language technology and localization of Web
content. "Web content" has a focus on HTML5
… Reaching across content types is key. "The group wants to reach out to other areas of content, like XML content from which HTML is generated"
<ivan> Ontolex community group
fsaski described: The Ontolex community group
http://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/
Is working on a specific type of resource and its representation using
ontologies: lexica.
fsasaki described specific things we might do working with the W3C ...
1): discuss venues where the SW and the MLW community can meet
and work on the relation between SW and MLW.
Suggested: the MLW-LT workshop
11-13 June in Dublin.
2): Work on how to apply the MLW-LT metadata to RDF.
RDFa moving ahead very fast and fasaski would like to discuss how to bring metadata for MLW
Also related is provanance work … "work on whether the outcome of the provenance WG can be
used for what the localization industry needs."
… Automatic linked entity annotation
"work on relation between schema.org vocabulary and a to be
created vocabulary for automatic named entity annotation, see
https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/3
Concrete next step is to have involvement with Ontolex community group ...
Discussion to support fsasaki's proposed work in support of multi-lingual Web community
Dave: Do you require any changes to RDF to make this work?
fasasaki: See details in my email subject: "MultilingualWeb community and Semantic Web (Re: Agenda for the meeting on 2012-03-21"
fsasaki made some suggestions. Davidwood acknowledged requests however said the group is not currently chartered to do some things fsasaki suggested ...
Davidwood: there are some things that are possible and still within charter …
ivan: Discussion within the RDF
WG re: XML literals …
... Suggested a path forward using XML literals and attributes
to achieve some of the goals of the MLW community ...
... We don't yet have consensus, but we have some ideas that
may work ...
fsasaki: MLW people are also talking to people in the HTML5 community
ivan: suggested possible 'joint task force' with 3 people from each RDF WG & MLW community ...
davidwood: Before suggesting joint task force, it would be better to outline why the current standard doesn't work for MLW community … propose issues with XML literal and/or propose an HTML5 literal ...
fsasaki: We are developing a solution XML and HTML solution … what gets into RDF is less important (scribe questions if she caught that correctly...)
davidwood: Described status of
RDF WG vis a vis HTML5 literal. He requested fsasaki describe
& submit a use case that may help motivate the RDF WG
...
... suggested an email thread to public RDF comments would be
helpful.
ivan: One of the big issues with XML literals is namespace issues. In case of HTML5 literal, the namespace issue is moot.
<davidwood> Please send comments to public-rdf-comments@w3.org
ACTION for fsasaki: Please send comments to mailto:public-rdf-comments@w3.org to get use case and proposal on RDF WG's radar for discussion.
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - for
<danbri> examples lupedia.ontotext.com http://www.opencalais.com/ http://www.zemanta.com/?f=1 http://incubator.apache.org/stanbol/
<fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/3
fsasaki: discussed work on relation between schema.org vocabulary and a to be
created vocabulary for automatic named entity annotation, see
https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/3
danbri: asked about examples of "entity" the way the MLW community thinks about it vs. schema.org
<danbri> see also http://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/ --- very similar concerns there
@fsasaki - do you know about the work of Elena Montiel Ponsod from Universidad Politécnica de Madrid re: multi-lingual support for LOD
<George> re Elena - see http://aksw.org/Projects/LIMES
<fsasaki> tx!
<George> actually - that's the wrong LIMES sorry - will correct shortly
@fsasaki, thank you, wonderful work and very well organized. Thanks for sharing this with us today. I'll make email intro between you & Elena and her team.
<fsasaki> great, thanks a lot, bhyland :)
<George> @fsasaki - here's the right Elena LIMES link, it's a start anyway; http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/4/4a/MultilingualismGLD%28v4%29.pdf
danbri: Guha was a primary voice/force behind RDF and is the same force behind schema.org and it would be good to view this through that lens.
<George> @fsasaki - and it's LEMON, not LIMES :)
<fsasaki> thank you :)
danbri: Web developers are paying attention to SEO because they want to improve search results …. messiness is accepted by several of the big search engines ...
<danbri> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas
danbri: We're tracking schema.org issues, markup issues, etc in W3 list ...
<danbri> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/ExternalEnumerations
Web Schemas is a http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-data-tf/ used by the http://schema.org/ project to collaborate with the wider community.
danbri: Don't want schema.org to be originator of lists of countries, weights & measures.
… that is better done by other organizations.
danbri: there is a lot in
schema.org that are points of interest, stuff that goes on maps
for example.
... focus is more at defining the top level intersection with
wikipedia.
... focus is more on defining top level intersection points
...
... the ideal division of labor is for us to describe the
structure but content by others ...
… collected promise, 'here is something we can work together on'. The big four (Yandex/Google/Bing/MS) each have their specific focus ...
WebSchemas proposals are listed here, see http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/SchemaDotOrgProposals
… external enumerations are key issue ...
… accepted levels of pluralism are being worked out.
<Zakim> davidwood, you wanted to ask whether schema.org's relationship can move closer to W3 as the WHAT WG did
danbri: How we work … 2-3 engineers from the four search companies meet each Friday.
… in the future the W3C telecon infrastructure will be used to do more work in the public to build trust & transparency.
davidwood: It would be good to give the community more clarity ...
danbri: There is no formal organization behind the project per se.
<danbri> adjourned. + after chat: