<trackbot> Date: 16 February 2012

ACTION items due by Thursday, February 16

paulc: none

<scribe> scribe: rubys

New Issues This Week

issue-204?

<trackbot> ISSUE-204 -- Exempt ARIA attributes from the rule that prohibits reference to hidden elements -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204

paulc: split off issue 30

issue-205?

<trackbot> ISSUE-205 -- Define what author guidance and/or methods should be provided to those that wish to create accessible text editors using canvas as a rendering surface. -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/205

paulc: split off issue 131, simplifying that issue

issue-80?

<trackbot> ISSUE-80 -- document conformance and device dependent display of title attribute content -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/80

reopened: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0105.html

paulc: one tracker request (escallation on a non-last call item)

<paulc_> http://w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML+WG&keywords=TrackerRequest

paulc: chairs are prioritizing last-call items first, we have not processed this request

Items Closed Last Week

judy: I have comments on 204

paulc: go ahead

judy: Janina and I are requesting a co-ordination call with you (paulc) on the split of issue-30 and the timing

paulc: can you put a link in the minutes to the concerns?

judy: it would be valuable to have a call

paulc: I will check my calendar

judy: if you aren't available, I would appreciate meeting with at least one of the co-chairs

paulc: send us an email, and we will find a slot that works

issue-172?

<trackbot> ISSUE-172 -- restore <rb> as an optional element -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/172

issue-183?

<trackbot> ISSUE-183 -- Enhance and simplify the time element -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183

issue-184?

<trackbot> ISSUE-184 -- Add a data element -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/184

three call for alternate proposals above closed on Feb 11

issue-131?

<trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131

issue-179?

<trackbot> ISSUE-179 -- {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/179

both call for proposals closed Feb 11

paulc: this agenda doesn't cover items that closed yesterday (or today)
... if there are no change proposals, expect the issue to be closed. If there are no counters, expect a call for consensus

Items Closing This Week

issue-193?

<trackbot> ISSUE-193 -- Remove CSS example that promotes inaccessible content -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/193

issue-194?

<trackbot> ISSUE-194 -- Provide a mechanism for associating a full transcript with an audio or video element. -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/194

issue-195?

<trackbot> ISSUE-195 -- Enhance http request generation from forms -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/195

issue-196?

<trackbot> ISSUE-196 -- Define user agent http response handling behaviour -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/196

issue-197?

<trackbot> ISSUE-197 -- Accept attribute should allow file extensions in addition to the current allowed values -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/197

paulc: all the above closed yesterday

issue-182?

<trackbot> ISSUE-182 -- Advice in spec about annotations promotes inaccessible content -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/182

issue-185?

<trackbot> ISSUE-185 -- Drop the pubdate attribute -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/185

issue-188?

<trackbot> ISSUE-188 -- Text tracks in HTML should be defined in a way agnostic of the specific caption format -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/188

issue-189?

<trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189

issue-198?

<trackbot> ISSUE-198 -- Ensure innerHTML and related APIs are subject to the W3C patent policy -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/198

issue-199?

<trackbot> ISSUE-199 -- Define complete processing requirements for ARIA attributes -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/199

issue-200?

<trackbot> ISSUE-200 -- Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND) in non-FIELDSET elements -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/200

issue-201?

<trackbot> ISSUE-201 -- Provide canvas location and hit testing capability to fallback content -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201

issue-202?

<trackbot> ISSUE-202 -- Missing alt should not be considered conforming in the presence of figcaptions over 50 words in length -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/202

issue-203?

<trackbot> ISSUE-203 -- All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/203

paulc: the above closes today

<Judy> With reference to agendum # 1 above, and the request to meet w/ Paul or another Co-Chair regarding procedural concerns about new issue #204, background is in Text Subteam minutes, with notes following "30: Longdesc" http://www.w3.org/2012/02/14-text-minutes.html#item01

Items Closing Next Week

issue-187?

<trackbot> ISSUE-187 -- Document conformance has to be stable over the time -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/187

issue-190?

<trackbot> ISSUE-190 -- Replace poor coding example for figure with multiple images -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/190

issue-191?

<trackbot> ISSUE-191 -- Replace/complement <ins> and <del> elements by a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/191

issue-192?

<trackbot> ISSUE-192 -- title attribute definition does not match reality -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/192

paulc: these four close Feb 23

New Calls this week

issue-80?

<trackbot> ISSUE-80 -- document conformance and device dependent display of title attribute content -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/80

paulc: this was reopened, and as we got a change proposal, we have issued a call for alternate or counter proposals closing March 14

issue-131?

<trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131

paulc: we have proposals, so we have issued a call for alternate or counters, also closing on march 14th

issue-158?

<trackbot> ISSUE-158 -- HTML4's content-model for <object> should continue -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/158

paulc: also closed on March 14th

issue-204?

<trackbot> ISSUE-204 -- Exempt ARIA attributes from the rule that prohibits reference to hidden elements -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204

paulc: we granted until March 10th to provide a proposal

issue-205?

<trackbot> ISSUE-205 -- Define what author guidance and/or methods should be provided to those that wish to create accessible text editors using canvas as a rendering surface. -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/205

paulc: call for alternate or counter proposals closes march 14th

New Surveys this week

paulc: there are none

Decisions this week

paulc: there are none

Other Business

http://www.w3.org/QA/2012/02/openweb-weekly-27.html

paulc: this is nearly two weeks old, there may be a more recent one

re-open request for issue 31

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0139.html

paulc: we originally could not find new information, and the a11y task force is working on a revised version

janina: we have a strong interest in having this taken up again; the proposal has significantly been beefed up.
... unclear that this was dealt with appropriately originally
... we are now pointing to the original decision to justify the reopening

<paulc_> Revised request is in: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/movealt

janina: we should have a email to the chairs and wg by monday

Request to Reconsider Meta Generator Alt Exception

paulc: the chairs have reviewed this request and will be responding today

i18n WG position on Issue-172 "restore <rb> as an optional element"

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0103.html

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0197.html

paulc: chairs want to make it clear what the next status is

Change proposal reviews

issue-30?

<trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30

paulc: we have having a dialog with Laura on 30

issue-170?

<trackbot> ISSUE-170 -- make URIs valid link relations -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/170

paulc: we are having dialogs with the authors of the proposals on 170

issue-134?

<trackbot> ISSUE-134 -- Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/134

paulc: the chairs are having dialogs with the various authors and the WG can expect more

janina: Thanks for 134, I am concerned about recent developments around longdesc, this is not just Laura's proposal but a TaskForce backed proposal
... we are disappointed that a split off happened based on ARIA, it would have been helpful to have been coordinating that more closely

paulc: janina is repeating judy's concerns about issue 204
... the feedback on 30 was to put the material relevant to the change proposal in the proposal itself

judy: there appears to have been changes in the advice over time over this
... in the past, we were advised to put in links; perhaps we could get more uniform guidance?

paulc: the underlying principle is to help the CP authors to make their case as possible; in this case we found some arguments that we thought the author could use to make their proposal stronger; if the authors don't wish to make their proposal stronger, that's their choice.

judy: I'm hearing that you prefer all of the text to be a single page?

paulc: we review each on their merits, and in this case we thought this particular proposal would be improved by making this specific text into the base text.
... any other business to raise?

Chair and Scribe for next meeting

paulc: Maciej likely will be the chair

glenn: I can scribe

Adjournment

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