RDF Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 25 January 2012

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Alex Hall, Andy Seaborne, Antoine Zimmermann, Charles Greer, Dan Brickley, David Wood, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Fabien Gandon, Gavin Carothers, Guus Schreiber, Ivan Herman, Lee Feigenbaum, Scott Bauer, Souripriya Das, Ted Thibodeau, Zhe Wu
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Fabien Gandon
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15:13:01 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:13:01 <trackbot> Date: 25 January 2012
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15:59:35 <AndyS1> zakim, ??P14 is me

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15:59:40 <Zakim> +bhyland

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16:00:19 <davidwood> Zakim, bhyland is me

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16:00:32 <davidwood> Zakim, who is here?

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16:00:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see gavinc, cgreer, AndyS1, davidwood

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16:00:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see cgreer, ivan_, FabGandon, AndyS1, mdmdm, AndyS, danbri, Zakim, RRSAgent, MacTed, LeeF, ivan, mischat, cygri, gavinc_, manu, davidwood, manu1, trackbot, yvesr, NickH,

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16:00:36 <Zakim> ... sandro, ericP

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16:00:42 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

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16:01:21 <Zakim> +[Sophia]

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16:01:21 <Zakim> +Eric

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16:01:31 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

16:01:31 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

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16:01:37 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

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16:01:43 <FabGandon> zakim, [Sophia] is FabGandon

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16:01:43 <Zakim> +FabGandon; got it

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16:03:11 <ivan_> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

16:03:16 <Zakim> ok, ivan_; the call is being made

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16:03:20 <Zakim> +Ivan

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16:03:52 <Zakim> +Scott_Bauer

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16:05:09 <FabGandon> Scribe: Fabien Gandon

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16:05:18 <FabGandon> ScribeNick: FabGandon
16:05:43 <davidwood> Zakim, who is here?

David Wood: Zakim, who is here?

16:05:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see gavinc, cgreer, AndyS1, davidwood, MacTed (muted), FabGandon, Eric, Ivan, Scott_Bauer

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16:05:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see zwu2, cgreer, ivan_, FabGandon, AndyS1, mdmdm, AndyS, danbri, Zakim, RRSAgent, MacTed, LeeF, mischat, cygri, gavinc_, manu, davidwood, manu1, trackbot, yvesr, NickH,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see zwu2, cgreer, ivan_, FabGandon, AndyS1, mdmdm, AndyS, danbri, Zakim, RRSAgent, MacTed, LeeF, mischat, cygri, gavinc_, manu, davidwood, manu1, trackbot, yvesr, NickH,

16:05:47 <zwu2> zakim, code?

Zhe Wu: zakim, code?

16:05:47 <Zakim> ... sandro, ericP

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16:05:49 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), zwu2

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16:05:55 <danbri> hi folks, regrets from me ... laptop too overwhelmed to run Skype right now (giant mysql job)

Dan Brickley: hi folks, regrets from me ... laptop too overwhelmed to run Skype right now (giant mysql job)

16:06:12 <davidwood> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 18 Jan telecon:

David Wood: PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 18 Jan telecon:

16:06:12 <davidwood>    http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-01-18

David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-01-18

16:06:33 <Zakim> +zwu2

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16:06:36 <davidwood> Action item review:

David Wood: Action item review:

16:06:36 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - item

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16:06:36 <davidwood>    http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview

David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview

16:06:36 <davidwood>    http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/open

David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/open

16:06:37 <zwu2> zakim, mute me

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16:06:37 <Zakim> zwu2 should now be muted

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16:07:31 <Zakim> + +1.443.212.aaaa

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16:07:40 <AlexHall> zakim, aaaa is me

Alex Hall: zakim, aaaa is me

16:07:40 <Zakim> +AlexHall; got it

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16:07:52 <Zakim> +Souri

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16:09:11 <Zakim> +Guus

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16:10:25 <Zakim> +LeeF

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16:11:55 <davidwood> Topic: Reviewers for XSD 1.1?

1. Reviewers for XSD 1.1?

16:12:12 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-1-20120119/ W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD) 1.1 Part 1: Structures

David Wood: http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-1-20120119/ W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD) 1.1 Part 1: Structures

16:12:12 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/ W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD) 1.1 Part 2: Datatypes

David Wood: http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/ W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD) 1.1 Part 2: Datatypes

16:12:27 <FabGandon> they moved to proposed Rec and affect RDF

they moved to proposed Rec and affect RDF

16:12:46 <FabGandon> davidwood ... we need reviewers

davidwood ... we need reviewers

16:13:06 <FabGandon> Iven: the first part does not impact us

Ivan Herman: the first part does not impact us

16:13:15 <FabGandon> s/Iven/Ivan
16:13:54 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xmlschema-2-20041028/

Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xmlschema-2-20041028/

16:14:04 <ericP> [[

Eric Prud'hommeaux: [[

16:14:05 <ericP> This second edition is not a new version, it merely incorporates the changes dictated by the corrections to errors found in the first edition as agreed by the XML Schema Working Group, as a convenience to readers. A separate list of all such corrections is available at http://www.w3.org/2001/05/xmlschema-errata.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: This second edition is not a new version, it merely incorporates the changes dictated by the corrections to errors found in the first edition as agreed by the XML Schema Working Group, as a convenience to readers. A separate list of all such corrections is available at http://www.w3.org/2001/05/xmlschema-errata.

16:14:11 <ericP> ]]

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ]]

16:14:16 <FabGandon> davidwood: eg. of problems links between XMLLiteral and RDF Literals

David Wood: eg. of problems links between XMLLiteral and RDF Literals

16:14:22 <AndyS1> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-1-20120119/

Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-1-20120119/

16:15:09 <FabGandon> davidwood: we need to lood at XSD Strings

David Wood: we need to look at XSD Strings

16:15:24 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-1-20120119/#changes changes from schema 1.0 to 1.1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-1-20120119/#changes changes from schema 1.0 to 1.1

16:15:24 <FabGandon> s/lood/look
16:15:29 <AndyS1> and XSD decimal canonical form (FYI)

Andy Seaborne: and XSD decimal canonical form (FYI)

16:16:28 <ivan_> The changes URI is http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes

Ivan Herman: The changes URI is http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes

16:16:32 <FabGandon> ... we need someone to go through changes

... we need someone to go through changes

16:16:43 <FabGandon> ericP: I can do it

Eric Prud'hommeaux: I can do it

16:17:23 <FabGandon> AlexHall: volonteer

Alex Hall: volonteer

16:17:43 <ivan_> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes changes

Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes changes

16:17:59 <ivan_> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:18:17 <FabGandon> proposed : "ACTION: ericP and AlexHall to review changes in W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD)"

proposed : "ACTION: ericP and AlexHall to review changes in W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD)"

16:18:17 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes

David Wood: http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes

16:19:18 <gavinc_> AndyS1, http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#f-decimalCanmap !

Gavin Carothers: AndyS1, http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#f-decimalCanmap !

16:19:25 <ericP> ACTION: ericP to review changes in W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD) -- http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes

ACTION: ericP to review changes in W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD) -- http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes

16:19:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-135 - Review changes in W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD) -- http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2012-02-01].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-135 - Review changes in W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD) -- http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2012-02-01].

16:19:35 <ericP> ACTION: AlexHall to review changes in W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD) -- http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes

ACTION: AlexHall to review changes in W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD) -- http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes

16:19:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-136 - Review changes in W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD) -- http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes [on Alex Hall - due 2012-02-01].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-136 - Review changes in W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD) -- http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-xmlschema11-2-20120119/#changes [on Alex Hall - due 2012-02-01].

16:19:36 <FabGandon> Ivan: the changes in the datatypes may affect us too

Ivan Herman: the changes in the datatypes may affect us too

16:19:59 <davidwood> I see "Conforming implementations may now support ·primitive· datatypes and facets in addition to those defined here."

David Wood: I see "Conforming implementations may now support ·primitive· datatypes and facets in addition to those defined here."

16:20:49 <FabGandon> Ivan: there might be changes for instance in data comparison

Ivan Herman: there might be changes for instance in data comparison

16:21:10 <davidwood> " this allows float and double to treat positive and negative zero as distinct values, but nevertheless to treat them as equal for purposes of bounds checking" (!) :)

David Wood: " this allows float and double to treat positive and negative zero as distinct values, but nevertheless to treat them as equal for purposes of bounds checking" (!) :)

16:21:25 <davidwood> ^^ These things are important to end users, after all

David Wood: ^^ These things are important to end users, after all

16:21:41 <FabGandon> ericP: is there anyway for the structure to have an impact our data model ?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: is there anyway for the structure to have an impact our data model ?

16:22:12 <FabGandon> Ivan: my opinion is that we are not affected by structure

Ivan Herman: my opinion is that we are not affected by structure

16:23:06 <FabGandon> ... but the RDF semantics makes a selection of the datatype and this may have to be reviewed.

... but the RDF semantics makes a selection of the datatype and this may have to be reviewed.

16:23:35 <davidwood> Topic: RDF-ISSUE-82 (TriG repeated graph iris)

2. RDF-ISSUE-82 (TriG repeated graph iris)

16:24:28 <AndyS1> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

16:24:35 <ivan_> q-

Ivan Herman: q-

16:24:36 <FabGandon> gavinc_: consensus on the second option changing "merge" to "union", blank nodes with the same plabel are considered the same

Gavin Carothers: consensus on the second option changing "merge" to "union", blank nodes with the same plabel are considered the same

16:25:58 <FabGandon> ... no semantics for blank nodes between graphs with different labels

... no semantics for blank nodes between graphs with different labels

16:26:32 <FabGandon> ... inference graphs are kept different and are an example where same labels may mean same nodes

... inference graphs are kept different and are an example where same labels may mean same nodes

16:27:25 <FabGandon> ... no equivalent in RDF/XML or Turtle right now.

... no equivalent in RDF/XML or Turtle right now.

16:27:41 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

16:27:41 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted

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16:28:09 <AndyS1> ack me

Andy Seaborne: ack me

16:28:33 <AndyS1> +1

Andy Seaborne: +1

16:28:35 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1

16:28:38 <cgreer> +1

Charles Greer: +1

16:28:41 <ivan_> 1

Ivan Herman: 1

16:28:43 <zwu2> +1

Zhe Wu: +1

16:28:44 <LeeF> +1

Lee Feigenbaum: +1

16:28:45 <Guus> +1

Guus Schreiber: +1

16:28:47 <AlexHall> +1

Alex Hall: +1

16:28:47 <gavinc_> +1

Gavin Carothers: +1

16:28:48 <Souri> +1

Souripriya Das: +1

16:28:54 <gavinc_> "In a TriG document graph statements with the same graph IRI should be

Gavin Carothers: "In a TriG document graph statements with the same graph IRI should be

16:28:56 <gavinc_> unioned to form a single RDF Graph. Blank nodes in each graph

Gavin Carothers: unioned to form a single RDF Graph. Blank nodes in each graph

16:28:57 <gavinc_> statement with the same label are considered to be the same blank

Gavin Carothers: statement with the same label are considered to be the same blank

16:28:59 <gavinc_> node."

Gavin Carothers: node."

16:29:03 <FabGandon> davidwood: any objection to the wording (strawpoll)

David Wood: any objection to the wording (strawpoll)

16:29:18 <MacTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

16:29:31 <FabGandon> ... we have a consensus

... we have a consensus

16:30:08 <gavinc_> RESOLVE to close ISSUE-82 with the wording: "In a TriG document graph statements with the same graph IRI should be unioned to form a single RDF Graph. Blank nodes in each graph statement with the same label are considered to be the same blank node."

Gavin Carothers: RESOLVE to close ISSUE-82 with the wording: "In a TriG document graph statements with the same graph IRI should be unioned to form a single RDF Graph. Blank nodes in each graph statement with the same label are considered to be the same blank node."

16:31:45 <davidwood> Topic: Named Graphs

3. Named Graphs

16:31:48 <ericP> davidwood: +☮

David Wood: +☮ [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ]

16:32:27 <gavinc_> also on the wiki http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Example_of_Endorsement_Use_Case

Gavin Carothers: also on the wiki http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Example_of_Endorsement_Use_Case

16:32:38 <FabGandon> davidwood: starting with the endorsement use case

David Wood: starting with the endorsement use case

16:33:38 <FabGandon> ... does anyone push this use case ?

... does anyone push this use case ?

16:34:03 <FabGandon> MacTed: this use case could become very important

Ted Thibodeau: this use case could become very important

16:34:45 <LeeF> We don't ourselves do this sort of endorsement today, nor do our customers.

Lee Feigenbaum: We don't ourselves do this sort of endorsement today, nor do our customers.

16:34:56 <gavinc_> It is a current use case for Lex Machina, Inc :D

Gavin Carothers: It is a current use case for Lex Machina, Inc :D

16:35:18 <davidwood> OK, good

David Wood: OK, good

16:35:21 <FabGandon> ... there is a difference between me asserting and me endorsing

... there is a difference between me asserting and me endorsing

16:36:12 <Zakim> +??P39

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P39

16:36:27 <AZ> zakim, ??P39 is me

Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, ??P39 is me

16:36:27 <Zakim> +AZ; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AZ; got it

16:36:40 <Zakim> -AZ

Zakim IRC Bot: -AZ

16:38:23 <Zakim> +AZ

Zakim IRC Bot: +AZ

16:41:14 <gavinc_> The hash system in my example DOES NOT require trusting much at all

Gavin Carothers: The hash system in my example DOES NOT require trusting much at all

16:41:48 <gavinc_> +q

Gavin Carothers: +q

16:42:15 <FabGandon> AndyS:  controling the domain name of a graph name does ensure the trust i.e. there is a whole chain e.g. DNS

Andy Seaborne: controling the domain name of a graph name does ensure the trust i.e. there is a whole chain e.g. DNS

16:42:47 <ericP> i thought the point of this was to say "it's within..."

Eric Prud'hommeaux: i thought the point of this was to say "it's within..."

16:43:18 <FabGandon> ... the hash gives you stability / repeatability

... the hash gives you stability / repeatability

16:43:55 <FabGandon> gavinc_: endorsing without hashing may not be very useful

Gavin Carothers: endorsing without hashing may not be very useful

16:44:32 <FabGandon> ericP: within your store you can rely on your architecture

Eric Prud'hommeaux: within your store you can rely on your architecture

16:45:27 <cgreer> q+

Charles Greer: q+

16:45:32 <gavinc_> -q

Gavin Carothers: -q

16:46:32 <FabGandon> AndyS: a lot of this can be done working with documents

Andy Seaborne: a lot of this can be done working with documents

16:46:51 <davidwood> ack cgreer

David Wood: ack cgreer

16:47:38 <FabGandon> cgreer: you don't want to endorse a graph that is merged with an other one.

Charles Greer: you don't want to endorse a graph that is merged with an other one.

16:48:31 <FabGandon> gavinc_: my example works because there is an intermediary doc

Gavin Carothers: my example works because there is an intermediary doc

16:49:12 <FabGandon> ericP: can the provenance wg help here ?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: can the provenance wg help here ?

16:49:46 <FabGandon> AndyS: no they are at the URI level

Andy Seaborne: no they are at the URI level

16:54:10 <FabGandon> davidwood: is the problem linked to the question of whether we name graphs with URI or not?

David Wood: is the problem linked to the question of whether we name graphs with URI or not?

16:55:40 <FabGandon> ivan: the general mechanism is we have a URI and we have a predicate

Ivan Herman: the general mechanism is we have a URI and we have a predicate

16:55:59 <Guus> q+ to ask which mechanism

Guus Schreiber: q+ to ask which mechanism

16:56:27 <Guus> +1 with Andy

Guus Schreiber: +1 with Andy

16:57:14 <Guus> quints are out of scope, I would suggest

Guus Schreiber: quints are out of scope, I would suggest

16:57:20 <davidwood> ack Guus

David Wood: ack Guus

16:57:20 <Zakim> Guus, you wanted to ask which mechanism

Zakim IRC Bot: Guus, you wanted to ask which mechanism

16:58:26 <ericP> +1 to octs

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 to octs

16:58:55 <davidwood> -1 to octs :)

David Wood: -1 to octs :)

16:59:08 <FabGandon> gavinc_: we can adapt the syntax without making them quints

Gavin Carothers: we can adapt the syntax without making them quints

16:59:42 <AndyS1>    { eg:sandro eg:endorses <g1>.                   <g1> a rdf:StaticGraphContainer.                 }             <g1> { ... the triples I'm endorsing ... }

Andy Seaborne: { eg:sandro eg:endorses <g1>. <g1> a rdf:StaticGraphContainer. } <g1> { ... the triples I'm endorsing ... }

17:00:16 <ivan_> +1 to David

Ivan Herman: +1 to David

17:00:32 <AndyS1> { eg:sandro eg:endorses <g1>.  <g1> a rdf:StaticGraphContainer. }  <g1> { ... the triples I'm endorsing ... }

Andy Seaborne: { eg:sandro eg:endorses <g1>. <g1> a rdf:StaticGraphContainer. } <g1> { ... the triples I'm endorsing ... }

17:01:42 <AndyS1> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Jan/0021.html

Andy Seaborne: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Jan/0021.html

17:02:09 <AndyS1> (sandro's message -- includes multiple designs)

Andy Seaborne: (sandro's message -- includes multiple designs)

17:04:02 <Guus> q+

Guus Schreiber: q+

17:04:37 <cgreer> RDF doesn't disallow inconsistent graphs (+1 Guus)

Charles Greer: RDF doesn't disallow inconsistent graphs (+1 Guus)

17:04:47 <FabGandon> ivan: one problem was when in OWL the types of merged containers are disjoint

Ivan Herman: one problem was when in OWL the types of merged containers are disjoint

17:04:56 <davidwood> ack Guus

David Wood: ack Guus

17:05:15 <FabGandon> Guus: I'm interested in the easy syntax

Guus Schreiber: I'm interested in the easy syntax

17:06:29 <FabGandon> ... examples of syntax would help the discussion

... examples of syntax would help the discussion

17:07:37 <FabGandon> proposing : ACTION: Guus to write down an example of the syntaxes for the named graphs

proposing : ACTION: Guus to write down an example of the syntaxes for the named graphs

17:08:33 <FabGandon> Ivan: we could publish a version of Turtle tomorrow

Ivan Herman: we could publish a version of Turtle tomorrow

17:09:09 <FabGandon> ... without changing it too much

... without changing it too much

17:09:47 <FabGandon> ACTION: Guus to write down an example of the syntaxes for the named graphs

ACTION: Guus to write down an example of the syntaxes for the named graphs

17:09:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-137 - Write down an example of the syntaxes for the named graphs [on Guus Schreiber - due 2012-02-01].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-137 - Write down an example of the syntaxes for the named graphs [on Guus Schreiber - due 2012-02-01].

17:10:34 <Guus> q+

Guus Schreiber: q+

17:10:59 <davidwood> ack Guus

David Wood: ack Guus

17:10:59 <FabGandon> ivan: then we have to decide whether or not we modify the RDF semantics

Ivan Herman: then we have to decide whether or not we modify the RDF semantics

17:12:14 <FabGandon> Guus: nobody has yet come up with a clear proposal to update the semantics

Guus Schreiber: nobody has yet come up with a clear proposal to update the semantics

17:14:57 <Zakim> -gavinc

Zakim IRC Bot: -gavinc

17:15:19 <FabGandon> ivan: we need at least to write down in plain english the definitions of the core primitives

Ivan Herman: we need at least to write down in plain english the definitions of the core primitives

17:15:48 <MacTed> +1 Ivan's summary, "Named Graph" is inherently ambiguous, and must be defined multiply, for different contexts

Ted Thibodeau: +1 Ivan's summary, "Named Graph" is inherently ambiguous, and must be defined multiply, for different contexts

17:17:43 <LeeF> I think we may be kidding ourselves if we think we're gong to get high-interoperability with defining this stuff multiple ways

Lee Feigenbaum: I think we may be kidding ourselves if we think we're gong to get high-interoperability with defining this stuff multiple ways

17:18:22 <Zakim> -AZ

Zakim IRC Bot: -AZ

17:18:23 <Zakim> -cgreer

Zakim IRC Bot: -cgreer

17:18:29 <Zakim> -AlexHall

Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexHall

17:18:33 <Zakim> -Scott_Bauer

Zakim IRC Bot: -Scott_Bauer

17:18:39 <Zakim> -zwu2

Zakim IRC Bot: -zwu2

17:18:43 <davidwood> MacTed: Define named graphs both by typing URIs and also by using predicates.

Ted Thibodeau: Define named graphs both by typing URIs and also by using predicates. [ Scribe Assist by David Wood ]

17:18:44 <FabGandon> rrsagent, create minutes

rrsagent, create minutes

17:18:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/25-rdf-wg-minutes.html FabGandon

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/25-rdf-wg-minutes.html FabGandon

17:19:24 <FabGandon> rrsagent, please make logs world-visible

rrsagent, please make logs world-visible

17:19:42 <FabGandon> rrsagent, please publish the minutes

rrsagent, please publish the minutes

17:19:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/25-rdf-wg-minutes.html FabGandon

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/25-rdf-wg-minutes.html FabGandon

17:20:35 <Zakim> -LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF

17:22:05 <FabGandon> what should I do with the URL http://www.w3.org/2012/01/25-rdf-wg-minutes.html  to get the wiki version to be cleaned ?

what should I do with the URL http://www.w3.org/2012/01/25-rdf-wg-minutes.html to get the wiki version to be cleaned ?

17:22:24 <AndyS1> I'm not here

Andy Seaborne: I'm not here

17:23:44 <Zakim> -Guus

Zakim IRC Bot: -Guus

17:25:24 <AndyS1> FabGandon - instructions for minutes - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009AprJun/0406.html

Andy Seaborne: FabGandon - instructions for minutes - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009AprJun/0406.html

17:25:44 <AndyS1> (thx to LeeF)

Andy Seaborne: (thx to LeeF)



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