None.
There are some format problems with the chatlog. Please correct them and reload this page. They are labeled on this page in a red box, like this message.
It may be helpful to
14:58:53 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/10/19-rdf-wg-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/10/19-rdf-wg-irc ←
14:58:55 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world ←
14:58:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 73394 ←
14:58:57 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes ←
14:58:58 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:58:58 <trackbot> Date: 19 October 2011
15:01:02 <AndyS1> zakim, who is on the phone
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone ←
15:01:02 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', AndyS1
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', AndyS1 ←
15:01:07 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here? ←
15:01:07 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, Guus
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, Guus ←
15:01:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see Scott_Bauer, Zakim, RRSAgent, AndyS1, danbri, SteveH, MacTed, LeeF, Guus, AndyS, mischat, ivan, gavinc, davidwood, NickH, ericP, manu, trackbot, manu1, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Scott_Bauer, Zakim, RRSAgent, AndyS1, danbri, SteveH, MacTed, LeeF, Guus, AndyS, mischat, ivan, gavinc, davidwood, NickH, ericP, manu, trackbot, manu1, sandro ←
15:01:12 <MacTed> Zakim, this is rdfwg
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, this is rdfwg ←
15:01:13 <Zakim> ok, MacTed; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, MacTed; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM ←
15:01:18 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here? ←
15:01:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], guus, Sandro, OpenLink_Software
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see [IPcaller], guus, Sandro, OpenLink_Software ←
15:01:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see Arnaud, Scott_Bauer, Zakim, RRSAgent, AndyS1, danbri, SteveH, MacTed, LeeF, Guus, AndyS, mischat, ivan, gavinc, davidwood, NickH, ericP, manu, trackbot, manu1, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Arnaud, Scott_Bauer, Zakim, RRSAgent, AndyS1, danbri, SteveH, MacTed, LeeF, Guus, AndyS, mischat, ivan, gavinc, davidwood, NickH, ericP, manu, trackbot, manu1, sandro ←
15:01:21 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
15:01:21 <MacTed> zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: zakim, mute me ←
15:01:25 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it ←
15:01:25 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
15:01:27 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
15:01:29 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
15:01:31 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
15:01:44 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←
15:01:46 <Zakim> +gavinc
Zakim IRC Bot: +gavinc ←
15:01:52 <ivan> zakim, drop me
Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me ←
15:01:53 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected ←
15:01:54 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
15:02:02 <ivan> zakim dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim dial ivan-voip ←
15:02:12 <Zakim> +Tony
Zakim IRC Bot: +Tony ←
15:02:20 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
15:02:20 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
15:02:21 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
15:02:25 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:02:28 <Scott_Bauer> Zakim, Tony is me
Scott Bauer: Zakim, Tony is me ←
15:02:28 <Zakim> +Scott_Bauer; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Scott_Bauer; got it ←
15:02:30 <AndyS1> zakim, IPcaller is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
15:02:30 <Zakim> +AndyS1; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS1; got it ←
15:02:36 <davidwood> zakim, code?
David Wood: zakim, code? ←
15:02:36 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), davidwood
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), davidwood ←
15:02:48 <Zakim> +david
Zakim IRC Bot: +david ←
15:02:51 <Zakim> +Arnaud_LeHors
Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud_LeHors ←
15:03:22 <Zakim> +Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri ←
15:03:42 <Zakim> +??P16
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P16 ←
15:03:52 <pchampin_> zakim, ??P16 is me
Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, ??P16 is me ←
15:03:52 <Zakim> +pchampin_; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pchampin_; got it ←
15:03:59 <pchampin_> zakim, mute me
Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, mute me ←
15:03:59 <Zakim> pchampin_ should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pchampin_ should now be muted ←
15:05:03 <Zakim> +AlexHall
Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexHall ←
15:05:40 <Zakim> +AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: +AZ ←
15:05:40 <gavinc> [08:03] <Zakim> +Souri
Gavin Carothers: [08:03] <Zakim> +Souri ←
15:05:52 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here? ←
15:05:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see guus, Sandro, MacTed (muted), Ivan, gavinc, Scott_Bauer, AndyS1, david, Arnaud_LeHors (muted), Souri, pchampin_ (muted), AlexHall, AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see guus, Sandro, MacTed (muted), Ivan, gavinc, Scott_Bauer, AndyS1, david, Arnaud_LeHors (muted), Souri, pchampin_ (muted), AlexHall, AZ ←
15:05:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see AZ, AlexHall, Souri, pchampin_, Arnaud, Scott_Bauer, Zakim, RRSAgent, AndyS1, danbri, SteveH, MacTed, LeeF, Guus, AndyS, mischat, ivan, gavinc, davidwood, NickH,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see AZ, AlexHall, Souri, pchampin_, Arnaud, Scott_Bauer, Zakim, RRSAgent, AndyS1, danbri, SteveH, MacTed, LeeF, Guus, AndyS, mischat, ivan, gavinc, davidwood, NickH, ←
15:05:59 <Zakim> ... ericP, manu, trackbot, manu1, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: ... ericP, manu, trackbot, manu1, sandro ←
15:06:12 <zwu2> zakim, code?
15:06:12 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), zwu2 ←
15:06:49 <Zakim> + +1.650.265.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.650.265.aaaa ←
15:06:50 <gavinc> scribenick: Souri
(Scribe set to Souripriya Das)
15:06:58 <zwu2> zakim, .aaaa is me
15:06:59 <Zakim> sorry, zwu2, I do not recognize a party named '.aaaa'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, zwu2, I do not recognize a party named '.aaaa' ←
15:07:09 <zwu2> zakim, +1.650.265.aaaa is me
Zhe Wu: zakim, +1.650.265.aaaa is me ←
15:07:10 <Zakim> +zwu2; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2; got it ←
15:07:14 <zwu2> zakim, mute me
15:07:14 <Zakim> zwu2 should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: zwu2 should now be muted ←
15:07:36 <Souri> guus: short meeting today, addressing couple of issues
Guus Schreiber: short meeting today, addressing couple of issues ←
15:07:45 <Zakim> + +1.415.586.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.415.586.aabb ←
15:07:47 <pchampin_> topic: admin
15:07:53 <AZ> The link is broken
Antoine Zimmermann: The link is broken ←
15:07:59 <AZ> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-10-05
Antoine Zimmermann: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-10-05 ←
15:08:32 <davidwood> Minutes are linked from http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/F2F2 and the links worl
David Wood: Minutes are linked from http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/F2F2 and the links worl ←
15:08:40 <Souri> davidwood: the link from F2F page works for me
David Wood: the link from F2F page works for me ←
15:09:43 <Souri> guus: we will leave it and come back to it next time
Guus Schreiber: we will leave it and come back to it next time ←
15:09:54 <pchampin_> topic: action items
15:10:14 <Souri> guus: Issue-3.
15:10:46 <Souri> davidwood: old comments list for the old RDF group, summarizing things that we may want to take a look at
David Wood: old comments list for the old RDF group, summarizing things that we may want to take a look at ←
15:10:58 <Souri> ... get some students to look at them
... get some students to look at them ←
15:11:01 <sandro> (the scribe -- Yves -- never did the post meeting stuff. it's now in place, but still has various scribe errors. http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-10-05 )
Sandro Hawke: (the scribe -- Yves -- never did the post meeting stuff. it's now in place, but still has various scribe errors. http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-10-05 ) ←
15:11:32 <JeremyCarroll> q- aabb
Jeremy Carroll: q- aabb ←
15:11:35 <Souri> ACTION: guus To find volunteers for ISSUE-3
ACTION: guus To find volunteers for ISSUE-3 ←
15:11:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-111 - Find volunteers for ISSUE-3 [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-10-26].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-111 - Find volunteers for ISSUE-3 [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-10-26]. ←
15:11:45 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, I am aabb
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, I am aabb ←
15:11:46 <Zakim> +JeremyCarroll; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JeremyCarroll; got it ←
15:11:58 <JeremyCarroll> ack JeremyCarroll
Jeremy Carroll: ack JeremyCarroll ←
15:12:13 <Souri> guus: davidwood to work with Pat to see Issue-76 can be closed
Guus Schreiber: davidwood to work with Pat to see ISSUE-76 can be closed ←
15:12:38 <Souri> davidwood: action can be closed, but ISSUE-76 needs to remain open
David Wood: action can be closed, but ISSUE-76 needs to remain open ←
15:13:02 <Zakim> +??P24
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P24 ←
15:13:09 <NickH> Zakim, ??P24 is me
Nicholas Humfrey: Zakim, ??P24 is me ←
15:13:09 <Zakim> +NickH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +NickH; got it ←
15:13:14 <NickH> Zakim, mute me
Nicholas Humfrey: Zakim, mute me ←
15:13:14 <Zakim> NickH should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: NickH should now be muted ←
15:13:24 <pchampin_> I met Fabien RL recently; he's well, but has been very very busy
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I met Fabien RL recently; he's well, but has been very very busy ←
15:13:37 <Souri> guus: pending review action RDF/XML syntax spec
Guus Schreiber: pending review action RDF/XML syntax spec ←
15:13:38 <gavinc> ack +1.415.586.aabb
Gavin Carothers: ack +1.415.586.aabb ←
15:14:27 <Souri> davidwood: we may need a new editor for that document
David Wood: we may need a new editor for that document ←
15:15:50 <Souri> guus: action for gen id continues
Guus Schreiber: action for gen id continues ←
15:16:35 <Souri> guus: action item for richard: update the page on the graph task force, won't close it because richard is not here
Guus Schreiber: action item for richard: update the page on the graph task force, won't close it because richard is not here ←
15:17:51 <Souri> guus: Action-97 update for RDF Conepts, continues
Guus Schreiber: ACTION-97 update for RDF Conepts, continues ←
15:18:25 <gavinc> ACTION-98?
15:18:25 <trackbot> ACTION-98 -- Sandro Hawke to rdf: and rdfs: namespace should resolve to something that meets best practices -- due 2011-10-20 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-98 -- Sandro Hawke to rdf: and rdfs: namespace should resolve to something that meets best practices -- due 2011-10-20 -- OPEN ←
15:18:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/98
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/98 ←
15:18:44 <gavinc> I think the theory was to assign it to Sandro until Ivan was here?
Gavin Carothers: I think the theory was to assign it to Sandro until Ivan was here? ←
15:20:09 <Souri> Ivan: wonders if this is not something we should rather do when we have the RDF vocab doc updated, add the necessary RDFa for that instead of redoing
Ivan Herman: wonders if this is not something we should rather do when we have the RDF vocab doc updated, add the necessary RDFa for that instead of redoing ←
15:20:12 <pchampin_> +1 to using the RDFS rec + RDFa as the RDFS namespace document
Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1 to using the RDFS rec + RDFa as the RDFS namespace document ←
15:22:45 <Souri> guus: taking up the minutes from F2F2
Guus Schreiber: taking up the minutes from F2F2 ←
15:23:07 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:23:07 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted ←
15:23:14 <sandro> +1 be explicit that we need to ask for feedback on terms like "RDF Graph"
Sandro Hawke: +1 be explicit that we need to ask for feedback on terms like "RDF Graph" ←
15:23:53 <Souri> guus: explicitly need to ask for feedback on terms like RDF Graph
Guus Schreiber: explicitly need to ask for feedback on terms like RDF Graph ←
15:24:09 <Souri> guus: revisit once we get community feedback
Guus Schreiber: revisit once we get community feedback ←
15:24:49 <Souri> davidwood: SPARQL and Provenance group feedback as well
David Wood: SPARQL and Provenance group feedback as well ←
15:25:27 <Souri> ACTION: guus to add the resolution text on the graph terminology
ACTION: guus to add the resolution text on the graph terminology ←
15:25:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-112 - Add the resolution text on the graph terminology [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-10-26].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-112 - Add the resolution text on the graph terminology [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-10-26]. ←
15:26:09 <gavinc> for example +â for test cases
Gavin Carothers: for example +â for test cases ←
15:26:28 <JeremyCarroll> q+ to mention class extension under 71
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to mention class extension under 71 ←
15:26:40 <Souri> guus: any more remarks on the first day's minutes
Guus Schreiber: any more remarks on the first day's minutes ←
15:27:14 <Souri> guus: going to F2F2 day 2 minutes
Guus Schreiber: going to F2F2 day 2 minutes ←
15:27:52 <Zakim> +LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF ←
15:28:02 <Zakim> -NickH
Zakim IRC Bot: -NickH ←
15:28:09 <gavinc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Sep/0083.html text for resolving issue-71
Gavin Carothers: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Sep/0083.html text for resolving ISSUE-71 ←
15:28:28 <Zakim> +??P24
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P24 ←
15:28:32 <NickH> Zakim, ??P24 is me
Nicholas Humfrey: Zakim, ??P24 is me ←
15:28:32 <Zakim> +NickH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +NickH; got it ←
15:28:35 <NickH> Zakim, mute me
Nicholas Humfrey: Zakim, mute me ←
15:28:35 <Zakim> NickH should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: NickH should now be muted ←
15:29:48 <sandro> I understood it to be really sections, not appendices.
Sandro Hawke: I understood it to be really sections, not appendices. ←
15:29:50 <JeremyCarroll> ACTION: JeremyCarroll to propose modification to issue 71 to give class ext to lang-string
ACTION: JeremyCarroll to propose modification to ISSUE-71 to give class ext to lang-string ←
15:29:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-113 - Propose modification to issue 71 to give class ext to lang-string [on Jeremy Carroll - due 2011-10-26].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-113 - Propose modification to ISSUE-71 to give class ext to lang-string [on Jeremy Carroll - due 2011-10-26]. ←
15:30:30 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider
Zakim IRC Bot: +Peter_Patel-Schneider ←
15:31:07 <Souri> guus: accept the minutes for Boston F2F2 with the amendments
Guus Schreiber: accept the minutes for Boston F2F2 with the amendments ←
15:31:33 <gavinc> Zakim, mute me
Gavin Carothers: Zakim, mute me ←
15:31:33 <Zakim> gavinc should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc should now be muted ←
15:32:19 <sandro> issue-21?
15:32:19 <trackbot> ISSUE-21 -- Can Node-IDs be shared between parts of a quad/multigraph format? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-21 -- Can Node-IDs be shared between parts of a quad/multigraph format? -- open ←
15:32:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/21
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/21 ←
15:32:19 <Souri> guus: two smaller issues: first, scope of bnode in TriG: does it raise new issues?
Guus Schreiber: two smaller issues: first, scope of bnode in TriG: does it raise new issues? ←
15:32:38 <Souri> sandro: it is already there ISSUE-21, right?
Sandro Hawke: it is already there ISSUE-21, right? ←
15:32:48 <Souri> guus: right
Guus Schreiber: right ←
15:33:12 <sandro> issue-77?
15:33:13 <trackbot> ISSUE-77 -- Should we mark rdf:Seq as archaic (cf ISSUE-24) -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-77 -- Should we mark rdf:Seq as archaic (cf ISSUE-24) -- open ←
15:33:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/77
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/77 ←
15:33:21 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:33:27 <Souri> guus: second issue ISSUE-77: should we mark rdf:seq as archaic
Guus Schreiber: second issue ISSUE-77: should we mark rdf:seq as archaic ←
15:34:00 <ivan> ack JeremyCarroll
Ivan Herman: ack JeremyCarroll ←
15:34:01 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll, you wanted to mention class extension under 71
Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll, you wanted to mention class extension under 71 ←
15:34:14 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, mute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, mute me ←
15:34:14 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll should now be muted ←
15:34:49 <ivan> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
15:35:29 <JeremyCarroll> q+ to suggest minimize informative txt on Seq
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to suggest minimize informative txt on Seq ←
15:35:47 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:35:56 <Souri> sandro: simple lists can be called well-formed lists, gently say don't use non-well-formed lists
Sandro Hawke: simple lists can be called well-formed lists, gently say don't use non-well-formed lists ←
15:36:45 <JeremyCarroll> ack me
Jeremy Carroll: ack me ←
15:36:46 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll, you wanted to suggest minimize informative txt on Seq
Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll, you wanted to suggest minimize informative txt on Seq ←
15:36:46 <gavinc> -0.5 to reopening archaic vs. deprecated conversation
Gavin Carothers: -0.5 to reopening archaic vs. deprecated conversation ←
15:37:10 <AndyS1> Maybe something like "Using well-formed lists maximises interoperability"
Andy Seaborne: Maybe something like "Using well-formed lists maximises interoperability" ←
15:37:41 <AndyS1> ... or "usability" (bit more opinioned)
Andy Seaborne: ... or "usability" (bit more opinioned) ←
15:37:44 <sandro> JeremyCarroll: move the "archaic" stuff to an appendix.
Jeremy Carroll: move the "archaic" stuff to an appendix. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:38:04 <Souri> jeremycarroll: put informative text in the appendix of the primer (use words such as 'archaic' in there ...)
Jeremy Carroll: put informative text in the appendix of the primer (use words such as 'archaic' in there ...) ←
15:39:19 <Souri> jeremycarroll: ... have a link to the old text
Jeremy Carroll: ... have a link to the old text ←
15:40:55 <Souri> Ivan: its not only a question of labeling them as archaic etc, do you also change the RDFsemantics such as rdf:_1, rdf:_2, etc. These are problems for inferencing because they lead to infinite number of things. Propose taking them out of RDF and RDFS core.
Ivan Herman: its not only a question of labeling them as archaic etc, do you also change the RDFsemantics such as rdf:_1, rdf:_2, etc. These are problems for inferencing because they lead to infinite number of things. Propose taking them out of RDF and RDFS core. ←
15:41:16 <Souri> Ivan: these are not editorial changes
Ivan Herman: these are not only editorial changes ←
15:41:32 <pchampin_> s/are not/are not only/
15:42:17 <Souri> ... does the RDF and RDFS rules need to take care of the rdf:_n? if not, we should adjust them ...
... does the RDF and RDFS rules need to take care of the rdf:_n? if not, we should adjust them ... ←
15:42:24 <JeremyCarroll> q+ to comment on ivan's comment
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to comment on ivan's comment ←
15:42:34 <Souri> pfps: agree with Ivan, might be a good idea
Peter Patel-Schneider: agree with Ivan, might be a good idea ←
15:42:37 <Guus> ack ivan
Guus Schreiber: ack ivan ←
15:42:40 <JeremyCarroll> ack me
Jeremy Carroll: ack me ←
15:42:41 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll, you wanted to comment on ivan's comment
Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll, you wanted to comment on ivan's comment ←
15:42:49 <Souri> ... not just an RDF and RDFS only issue
... not just an RDF and RDFS only issue ←
15:43:53 <Zakim> -NickH
Zakim IRC Bot: -NickH ←
15:43:59 <pfps> I don't think that anyone at the OWL level worries about the infinite base of RDFS, as there are an infinite number of entailments in OWL anyway.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I don't think that anyone at the OWL level worries about the infinite base of RDFS, as there are an infinite number of entailments in OWL anyway. ←
15:44:09 <AndyS1> rdfs:member is used.
Scribe problem: the name 'rdfs' does not match any of the 49 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Jean-François Baget Adrien BASSE Scott Bauer Dan Brickley Matteo Brunati Gaoussou CAMARA Gavin Carothers Jeremy Carroll Pierre-Antoine Champin Kiu Ching Chieh Olivier Corby Richard Cyganiak Souripriya Das Ian Davis Lee Feigenbaum Fabien Gandon Alex Hall Steve Harris Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Patrick Hayes Ivan Herman Nicholas Humfrey Kingsley Idehen Arnaud Le Hors Dickson Lukose Christopher Matheus Ivan Mikhailov Peter Patel-Schneider Axel Polleres Eric Prud'hommeaux Yves Raimond Nathan Rixham Guus Schreiber Andy Seaborne Manu Sporny Thomas Steiner Mouhamadou THIAM Ted Thibodeau Mischa Tuffield William Waites Jan Wielemaker David Wood Zhe Wu Mohamed ZERGAOUI Antoine Zimmermann Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown rdfs: member is used. [ Scribe Assist by Andy Seaborne ] ←
15:44:09 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, mute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, mute me ←
15:44:09 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll should now be muted ←
15:44:13 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:44:30 <Guus> ack ivan
Guus Schreiber: ack ivan ←
15:44:37 <JeremyCarroll> Jeremy said that ivan's point, that some RDF semantics rules are complicated for rdf:_8 etc
Jeremy Carroll: Jeremy said that ivan's point, that some RDF semantics rules are complicated for rdf:_8 etc ←
15:44:41 <Zakim> +??P24
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P24 ←
15:44:42 <NickH> Zakim, ??P24 is me
Nicholas Humfrey: Zakim, ??P24 is me ←
15:44:43 <Zakim> +NickH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +NickH; got it ←
15:44:44 <NickH> Zakim, mute me
Nicholas Humfrey: Zakim, mute me ←
15:44:44 <Zakim> NickH should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: NickH should now be muted ←
15:44:56 <pchampin_> jeremy: agree with Ivan, and I don't think people that use rdf:Seq are relying on rdf:_n implying membership
Jeremy Carroll: agree with Ivan, and I don't think people that use rdf:Seq are relying on rdf:_n implying membership [ Scribe Assist by Pierre-Antoine Champin ] ←
15:44:57 <JeremyCarroll> Jeremy: does anyone really use these rules?
Jeremy Carroll: does anyone really use these rules? [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ] ←
15:45:12 <gavinc> rdfs:member is implemented a property function in Jena ARQ isn't it?
Scribe problem: the name 'rdfs' does not match any of the 49 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Jean-François Baget Adrien BASSE Scott Bauer Dan Brickley Matteo Brunati Gaoussou CAMARA Gavin Carothers Jeremy Carroll Pierre-Antoine Champin Kiu Ching Chieh Olivier Corby Richard Cyganiak Souripriya Das Ian Davis Lee Feigenbaum Fabien Gandon Alex Hall Steve Harris Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Patrick Hayes Ivan Herman Nicholas Humfrey Kingsley Idehen Arnaud Le Hors Dickson Lukose Christopher Matheus Ivan Mikhailov Peter Patel-Schneider Axel Polleres Eric Prud'hommeaux Yves Raimond Nathan Rixham Guus Schreiber Andy Seaborne Manu Sporny Thomas Steiner Mouhamadou THIAM Ted Thibodeau Mischa Tuffield William Waites Jan Wielemaker David Wood Zhe Wu Mohamed ZERGAOUI Antoine Zimmermann Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown rdfs: member is implemented a property function in Jena ARQ isn't it? [ Scribe Assist by Gavin Carothers ] ←
15:45:45 <AndyS1> gavinc, yes (usually) and also by Jena rules for RDFS so API as well as SPARQL
Andy Seaborne: gavinc, yes (usually) and also by Jena rules for RDFS so API as well as SPARQL ←
15:45:46 <SteveH> rdfs:member was implemented as an inference rule in 3store, but no-ones asked for it in 4store
Scribe problem: the name 'rdfs' does not match any of the 49 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Jean-François Baget Adrien BASSE Scott Bauer Dan Brickley Matteo Brunati Gaoussou CAMARA Gavin Carothers Jeremy Carroll Pierre-Antoine Champin Kiu Ching Chieh Olivier Corby Richard Cyganiak Souripriya Das Ian Davis Lee Feigenbaum Fabien Gandon Alex Hall Steve Harris Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Patrick Hayes Ivan Herman Nicholas Humfrey Kingsley Idehen Arnaud Le Hors Dickson Lukose Christopher Matheus Ivan Mikhailov Peter Patel-Schneider Axel Polleres Eric Prud'hommeaux Yves Raimond Nathan Rixham Guus Schreiber Andy Seaborne Manu Sporny Thomas Steiner Mouhamadou THIAM Ted Thibodeau Mischa Tuffield William Waites Jan Wielemaker David Wood Zhe Wu Mohamed ZERGAOUI Antoine Zimmermann Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown rdfs: member was implemented as an inference rule in 3store, but no-ones asked for it in 4store [ Scribe Assist by Steve Harris ] ←
15:45:52 <pfps> in some sense the gain may be too small to overcome *any* pain, so why bother even trying
Peter Patel-Schneider: in some sense the gain may be too small to overcome *any* pain, so why bother even trying ←
15:45:54 <Souri> Ivan: theoretical possibility of a problem ... SPARQL on a member of a bag or seq may rely on rdf:_n being subproperty of rdfs:member
Ivan Herman: theoretical possibility of a problem ... SPARQL on a member of a bag or seq may rely on rdf:_n being subproperty of rdfs:member ←
15:46:07 <ivan> ok SteveH, good to know that
Ivan Herman: ok SteveH, good to know that ←
15:46:19 <AndyS1> People use rdfs:member a bit : as list more common, list:member used more.
Andy Seaborne: People use rdfs:member a bit : as list more common, list:member used more. ←
15:46:20 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, mute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, mute me ←
15:46:20 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll was already muted, JeremyCarroll
Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll was already muted, JeremyCarroll ←
15:46:22 <gavinc> SteveH, I did! And you said to use lists instead... which we did ;)
Gavin Carothers: SteveH, I did! And you said to use lists instead... which we did ;) ←
15:46:44 <SteveH> gavinc, oh! sorry :) doubt it was me that said use lists though
Steve Harris: gavinc, oh! sorry :) doubt it was me that said use lists though ←
15:46:54 <SteveH> ok, at least one person asked for rdfs:member :)
Steve Harris: ok, at least one person asked for rdfs:member :) ←
15:47:47 <Souri> Ivan: have a slight difference with sandro
Ivan Herman: one problem is that Sandro's proposal uses specific terminology, but Guus says that's already decided ←
15:47:56 <SteveH> FWIW, in the last commonly-used schema I had a hand in we had to invent our own ordinal system as both Seq and List weren't up to the job
Steve Harris: FWIW, in the last commonly-used schema I had a hand in we had to invent our own ordinal system as both Seq and List weren't up to the job ←
15:48:18 <SteveH> [ :foo "a" ; :ordinal 1 ] etc.
Steve Harris: [ :foo "a" ; :ordinal 1 ] etc. ←
15:48:21 <Souri> guus: hopefully by next week we can get to the resolution
Guus Schreiber: hopefully by next week we can get to the resolution ←
15:49:02 <sandro> s/have a slight difference with sandro/one problem is that Sandro's proposal uses specific terminology, but Guus says that's already decided/
15:49:08 <pfps> +1
15:49:20 <pfps> +1 to sandro
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to sandro ←
15:49:45 <gavinc> +1 for progress
Gavin Carothers: +1 for progress ←
15:49:48 <AndyS1> email better for wordsmithing IMO
Andy Seaborne: email better for wordsmithing IMO ←
15:49:57 <Souri> +1 to next week or emails
+1 to next week or emails ←
15:50:17 <JeremyCarroll> +1 for e-mail, I want to get feedback
Jeremy Carroll: +1 for e-mail, I want to get feedback ←
15:50:39 <gavinc> unmute me
Gavin Carothers: unmute me ←
15:50:43 <gavinc> Zakim, unmute me
Gavin Carothers: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:50:43 <Zakim> gavinc should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc should no longer be muted ←
15:50:44 <AndyS1> AndyS -- regrets for next week: ISWC
Andy Seaborne: AndyS -- regrets for next week: ISWC ←
15:51:02 <ivan> Ivan -- regrets for next week: ISWC
Ivan Herman: Ivan -- regrets for next week: ISWC ←
15:52:03 <pfps> could we set up a room at ISWC for the meeting?
Peter Patel-Schneider: could we set up a room at ISWC for the meeting? ←
15:52:12 <Souri> guus: I'll be at ISWC as well, but expect to join telcon via IRC
Guus Schreiber: I'll be at ISWC as well, but expect to join telcon via IRC ←
15:53:08 <Zakim> -LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF ←
15:53:16 <Zakim> -Peter_Patel-Schneider
Zakim IRC Bot: -Peter_Patel-Schneider ←
15:53:17 <Zakim> -NickH
Zakim IRC Bot: -NickH ←
15:53:20 <gavinc> trackbot, end meeting
Gavin Carothers: trackbot, end meeting ←
15:53:20 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
15:53:20 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been guus, Sandro, MacTed, Ivan, gavinc, Scott_Bauer, AndyS1, david, Arnaud_LeHors, Souri, pchampin_, AlexHall, AZ, zwu2, +1.415.586.aabb,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been guus, Sandro, MacTed, Ivan, gavinc, Scott_Bauer, AndyS1, david, Arnaud_LeHors, Souri, pchampin_, AlexHall, AZ, zwu2, +1.415.586.aabb, ←
15:53:21 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
15:53:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/19-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/19-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot ←
15:53:22 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
15:53:22 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/19-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/19-rdf-wg-actions.rdf : ←
15:53:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: guus To find volunteers for ISSUE-3 [1]
ACTION: guus To find volunteers for ISSUE-3 [1] ←
15:53:22 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/19-rdf-wg-irc#T15-11-35
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/19-rdf-wg-irc#T15-11-35 ←
15:53:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: guus to add the resolution text on the graph terminology [2]
ACTION: guus to add the resolution text on the graph terminology [2] ←
15:53:22 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/19-rdf-wg-irc#T15-25-27
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/19-rdf-wg-irc#T15-25-27 ←
15:53:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JeremyCarroll to propose modification to issue 71 to give class ext to lang-string [3]
ACTION: JeremyCarroll to propose modification to ISSUE-71 to give class ext to lang-string [3] ←
15:53:22 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/19-rdf-wg-irc#T15-29-50
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/19-rdf-wg-irc#T15-29-50 ←
15:53:23 <gavinc> Done ;)
Gavin Carothers: Done ;) ←
15:53:23 <Zakim> ... JeremyCarroll, NickH, LeeF, Peter_Patel-Schneider
Zakim IRC Bot: ... JeremyCarroll, NickH, LeeF, Peter_Patel-Schneider ←
15:53:29 <Zakim> -AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: -AZ ←
15:53:35 <Zakim> -AlexHall
Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexHall ←
Formatted by CommonScribe
This revision (#1) generated 2011-10-19 16:00:33 UTC by 'ivan', comments: None