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14:53:10 <mbrunati> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.03.16
14:56:22 <mbrunati> zakim, who is on the phone?
Matteo Brunati: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:56:22 <Zakim> sorry, mbrunati, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, mbrunati, I don't know what conference this is ←
14:56:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see pfps, JFB, Zakim, RRSAgent, OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, mbrunati, LeeF_, LeeF, hsbauer, webr3, mischat, danbri, ivan, yvesr, davidwood, NickH, manu1, manu, sandro,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see pfps, JFB, Zakim, RRSAgent, OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, mbrunati, LeeF_, LeeF, hsbauer, webr3, mischat, danbri, ivan, yvesr, davidwood, NickH, manu1, manu, sandro, ←
14:56:26 <Zakim> ... trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot ←
14:58:03 <LeeF> zakim, this will be rdfwg
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, this will be rdfwg ←
14:58:03 <Zakim> ok, LeeF, I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, LeeF, I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM already started ←
14:58:08 <mbrunati> zakim, who is on the phone?
Matteo Brunati: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:58:09 <mbrunati> regrets: Antoine Zimmermann, Nathan
14:58:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tony, ??P4, [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Tony, ??P4, [IPcaller] ←
14:58:13 <LeeF> zakim, code?
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, code? ←
14:58:13 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), LeeF ←
14:58:17 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer? ←
14:58:17 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2011/03/16-rdf-wg-irc#T14-58-17
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2011/03/16-rdf-wg-irc#T14-58-17 ←
14:58:19 <yvesr> Zakim: ??P4 is yvesr
14:58:25 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P4 is yvesr
Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P4 is yvesr ←
14:58:25 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yvesr; got it ←
14:58:36 <mbrunati> zakim, [IPCaller] is me
Matteo Brunati: zakim, [IPCaller] is me ←
14:58:36 <Zakim> +mbrunati; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mbrunati; got it ←
14:58:39 <yvesr> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Yves Raimond: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:58:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tony, yvesr, mbrunati
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Tony, yvesr, mbrunati ←
14:58:43 <Zakim> + +34.67.92.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +34.67.92.aaaa ←
14:58:49 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider
Zakim IRC Bot: +Peter_Patel-Schneider ←
14:58:53 <Zakim> +??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←
14:58:57 <Zakim> + +1.617.553.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.553.aabb ←
14:59:02 <LeeF> zakim, aabb is me
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, aabb is me ←
14:59:02 <Zakim> + +34.92.38.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +34.92.38.aacc ←
14:59:02 <Zakim> +LeeF; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF; got it ←
14:59:03 <mbrunati> scribe: mbrunati
(Scribe set to Matteo Brunati)
14:59:07 <JFB> +34.67.92.aaaa is JFB
Jean-François Baget: +34.67.92.aaaa is JFB ←
14:59:11 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
14:59:16 <Zakim> +??P15
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P15 ←
14:59:18 <manu> zakim, I am ??aabb
Manu Sporny: zakim, I am ??aabb ←
14:59:18 <Zakim> sorry, manu, I do not see a party named '??aabb'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, manu, I do not see a party named '??aabb' ←
14:59:24 <AndyS> zakim, ??p15 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??p15 is me ←
14:59:25 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres ←
14:59:25 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
14:59:28 <manu> zakim, I am aabb
Manu Sporny: zakim, I am aabb ←
14:59:30 <JFB> zakim, +34.67.92.aaaa is JFB
Jean-François Baget: zakim, +34.67.92.aaaa is JFB ←
14:59:31 <Zakim> sorry, manu, I do not see a party named 'aabb'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, manu, I do not see a party named 'aabb' ←
14:59:33 <Zakim> +JFB; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JFB; got it ←
14:59:37 <mbrunati> zakim, who is on the phone?
zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:59:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see yvesr, mbrunati, JFB, Peter_Patel-Schneider, ??P12, LeeF, +34.92.38.aacc, Sandro, AndyS, AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see yvesr, mbrunati, JFB, Peter_Patel-Schneider, ??P12, LeeF, +34.92.38.aacc, Sandro, AndyS, AxelPolleres ←
14:59:39 <manu> zakim, I am +1.617.553.aabb
Manu Sporny: zakim, I am +1.617.553.aabb ←
14:59:42 <Zakim> sorry, manu, I do not see a party named '+1.617.553.aabb'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, manu, I do not see a party named '+1.617.553.aabb' ←
14:59:44 <Zakim> +Tony
Zakim IRC Bot: +Tony ←
14:59:50 <OlivierCorby> zakim, aacc is me
Olivier Corby: zakim, aacc is me ←
14:59:50 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +OlivierCorby; got it ←
14:59:54 <Zakim> -??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P12 ←
15:00:30 <Zakim> +??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←
15:00:38 <Zakim> + +1.707.861.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.707.861.aadd ←
15:00:39 <manu> zakim, I am ??P12
Manu Sporny: zakim, I am ??P12 ←
15:00:39 <Zakim> +manu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +manu; got it ←
15:00:55 <Zakim> + +1.443.212.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.443.212.aaee ←
15:00:57 <gavin> zakim, I am +1.707.861.aadd
Gavin Carothers: zakim, I am +1.707.861.aadd ←
15:00:57 <Zakim> +gavin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +gavin; got it ←
15:01:57 <cygri> zakim, mhausenblas is me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, mhausenblas is me ←
15:02:10 <gavin> zakim, mute me
Gavin Carothers: zakim, mute me ←
15:02:24 <sandro> zakim, who is here?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is here? ←
15:02:31 <cygri> no zakim
Richard Cyganiak: no zakim ←
15:02:37 <cygri> oh hi zakim
Richard Cyganiak: oh hi zakim ←
15:02:39 <gavin> zakim, mute me
Gavin Carothers: zakim, mute me ←
15:02:41 <JFB> zakim, mute me
Jean-François Baget: zakim, mute me ←
15:02:43 <Zakim> sorry, gavin, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, gavin, I don't know what conference this is ←
15:02:44 <sandro> zakim, who is here?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is here? ←
15:02:47 <cygri> zakim, who is here?
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is here? ←
15:02:47 <sandro> zakim, this is rif-wg
Sandro Hawke: zakim, this is rif-wg ←
15:02:49 <Zakim> sorry, JFB, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, JFB, I don't know what conference this is ←
15:02:51 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, sandro, I don't know what conference this is ←
15:02:58 <gavin> zakim, this is rdf-wg
Gavin Carothers: zakim, this is rdf-wg ←
15:02:59 <Zakim> sorry, cygri, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, cygri, I don't know what conference this is ←
15:02:59 <sandro> zakim, this is rdf-wg
Sandro Hawke: zakim, this is rdf-wg ←
15:03:03 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I do not see a conference named 'rif-wg' in progress or scheduled at this time
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, sandro, I do not see a conference named 'rif-wg' in progress or scheduled at this time ←
15:03:05 <mbrunati> thanks
thanks ←
15:03:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see cygri, FabGandon, AlexHall, gavin, AndyS, pfps, JFB, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, mbrunati, LeeF_, LeeF, hsbauer, webr3, mischat, danbri, ivan, yvesr, davidwood, NickH,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see cygri, FabGandon, AlexHall, gavin, AndyS, pfps, JFB, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, mbrunati, LeeF_, LeeF, hsbauer, webr3, mischat, danbri, ivan, yvesr, davidwood, NickH, ←
15:03:09 <LeeF> sandro, it's already setup
Lee Feigenbaum: sandro, it's already setup ←
15:03:14 <Zakim> ... manu1, manu, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... manu1, manu, sandro, trackbot ←
15:03:14 <LeeF> it's "rdfwg"
Lee Feigenbaum: it's "rdfwg" ←
15:03:18 <Zakim> sorry, gavin, I do not see a conference named 'rdf-wg' in progress or scheduled at this time
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, gavin, I do not see a conference named 'rdf-wg' in progress or scheduled at this time ←
15:03:20 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I do not see a conference named 'rdf-wg' in progress or scheduled at this time
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, sandro, I do not see a conference named 'rdf-wg' in progress or scheduled at this time ←
15:03:21 <sandro> LeeF, it was not....
Sandro Hawke: LeeF, it was not.... ←
15:03:26 <sandro> zakim, this is rdfwg
Sandro Hawke: zakim, this is rdfwg ←
15:03:30 <LeeF> yes it was :)
Lee Feigenbaum: yes it was :) ←
15:03:38 <Zakim> ok, sandro; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, sandro; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM ←
15:03:43 <sandro> Lee, then explain "--> Zakim (rrs-bridgg@128.30.52.169) has joined #rdf-wg"
Sandro Hawke: Lee, then explain "--> Zakim (rrs-bridgg@128.30.52.169) has joined #rdf-wg" ←
15:03:57 <mbrunati> who is talking?
who is talking? ←
15:04:00 <sandro> Zakim, who is here?
Sandro Hawke: Zakim, who is here? ←
15:04:02 <LeeF> ah well, i'd have to first explain "[11:01] * Zakim (rrs-bridgg@128.30.52.169) Quit (Client exited)" i guess :)
Lee Feigenbaum: ah well, i'd have to first explain "[11:01] * Zakim (rrs-bridgg@128.30.52.169) Quit (Client exited)" i guess :) ←
15:04:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see yvesr, mbrunati, JFB, Peter_Patel-Schneider, LeeF, OlivierCorby, Sandro, AndyS, AxelPolleres, Tony, manu, gavin, +1.443.212.aaee, +3539149aaaa, +31.20.598.aaaa,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see yvesr, mbrunati, JFB, Peter_Patel-Schneider, LeeF, OlivierCorby, Sandro, AndyS, AxelPolleres, Tony, manu, gavin, +1.443.212.aaee, +3539149aaaa, +31.20.598.aaaa, ←
15:04:08 <mbrunati> zakim, who is talking?
zakim, who is talking? ←
15:04:09 <sandro> LeeF, ahhhhhh
Sandro Hawke: LeeF, ahhhhhh ←
15:04:13 <gavin> Oh dear
Gavin Carothers: Oh dear ←
15:04:19 <mbrunati> zakim goes down
zakim goes down ←
15:04:28 <mbrunati> twice
twice ←
15:04:55 <AndyS> and trackbot?
Andy Seaborne: and trackbot? ←
15:05:40 <gavin> trackbot does seem to be here
Gavin Carothers: trackbot does seem to be here ←
15:05:40 <tomayac> zakim, mute me
Thomas Steiner: zakim, mute me ←
15:05:42 <mbrunati> zakim, who is talking?
zakim, who is talking? ←
15:05:46 <Zakim> sorry, tomayac, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, tomayac, I don't know what conference this is ←
15:05:48 <Zakim> sorry, mbrunati, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, mbrunati, I don't know what conference this is ←
15:05:52 <gavin> zakim, this is rdfwg
Gavin Carothers: zakim, this is rdfwg ←
15:06:00 <Zakim> ok, gavin; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, gavin; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM ←
15:06:21 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer ←
15:06:21 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2011/03/16-rdf-wg-irc#T15-06-21
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2011/03/16-rdf-wg-irc#T15-06-21 ←
15:06:30 <gavin> zakim, mute me
Gavin Carothers: zakim, mute me ←
15:06:41 <Zakim> gavin should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: gavin should now be muted ←
15:06:51 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:06:52 <NickH> Zakim, ??P42 is me
Nicholas Humfrey: Zakim, ??P42 is me ←
15:06:53 <mbrunati> Topic: Admin
15:06:53 <davidwood> Minutes from last week: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-03-09
David Wood: Minutes from last week: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-03-09 ←
15:06:53 <mbrunati> minutes last week
minutes last week ←
15:06:55 <pfps> minutes look fine to me
Peter Patel-Schneider: minutes look fine to me ←
15:06:56 <davidwood> Propose to accept
David Wood: Propose to accept ←
15:07:00 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: RDF WG Meeting 2011-03-16 http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.03.16
Sandro Hawke: sandro has changed the topic to: RDF WG Meeting 2011-03-16 http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.03.16 ←
15:07:01 <mbrunati> mbrunati: +1
Matteo Brunati: +1 ←
15:07:03 <tomayac> +1
Thomas Steiner: +1 ←
15:07:07 <mbrunati> RESOLVED: accept last week's minutes
RESOLVED: accept last week's minutes ←
15:07:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see yvesr, mbrunati, JFB, LeeF, OlivierCorby, Sandro, AndyS, AxelPolleres, Tony, manu, gavin (muted), +1.443.212.aaee, +3539149aaaa, +31.20.598.aaaa, David_Wood,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see yvesr, mbrunati, JFB, LeeF, OlivierCorby, Sandro, AndyS, AxelPolleres, Tony, manu, gavin (muted), +1.443.212.aaee, +3539149aaaa, +31.20.598.aaaa, David_Wood, ←
15:07:15 <Zakim> ... [Sophia], +1.404.978.aaaa, ??P42 (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: ... [Sophia], +1.404.978.aaaa, ??P42 (muted) ←
15:07:17 <Zakim> +NickH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +NickH; got it ←
15:07:18 <mbrunati> ivan: dst time and one hour before for the Europeans
Ivan Herman: dst time and one hour before for the Europeans ←
15:07:37 <NickH> stupid americans ;-)
Nicholas Humfrey: stupid americans ;-) ←
15:07:49 <davidwood> Topic: Action item review:
15:07:49 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/open
David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/open ←
15:07:53 <AlexHall> zakim, 01+1.443.212.aaee is me
Alex Hall: zakim, 01+1.443.212.aaee is me ←
15:08:03 <Zakim> sorry, AlexHall, I do not recognize a party named '01+1.443.212.aaee'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, AlexHall, I do not recognize a party named '01+1.443.212.aaee' ←
15:08:15 <gavin> zakim, unmute me
Gavin Carothers: zakim, unmute me ←
15:08:18 <FabGandon> zakim, [Sophia] is me
Fabien Gandon: zakim, [Sophia] is me ←
15:08:19 <Zakim> gavin should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: gavin should no longer be muted ←
15:08:22 <pfps> ACTION-17 appears to be done
Peter Patel-Schneider: ACTION-17 appears to be done ←
15:08:22 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 17
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - 17 ←
15:08:23 <Zakim> +FabGandon; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +FabGandon; got it ←
15:08:38 <davidwood> ACTION-17: Gavin's response at http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/GraphConceptTerminology
Scribe problem: the name 'ACTION-17' does not match any of the 41 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Jean-François Baget Scott Bauer Dan Brickley Matteo Brunati Gavin Carothers Jeremy Carroll Pierre-Antoine Champin Kiu Ching Chieh Olivier Corby Richard Cyganiak Souripriya Das Lee Feigenbaum Dieter Fensel Fabien Gandon Alex Hall Steve Harris Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Patrick Hayes Ivan Herman Nicholas Humfrey Dickson Lukose Christopher Matheus Peter Patel-Schneider Axel Polleres Eric Prud'hommeaux Yves Raimond Nathan Rixham Guus Schreiber Andy Seaborne Manu Sporny Thomas Steiner Mischa Tuffield William Waites David Wood Zhe Wu Mohamed ZERGAOUI Antoine Zimmermann Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ACTION-17: Gavin's response at http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/GraphConceptTerminology [ Scribe Assist by David Wood ] ←
15:08:38 <trackbot> ACTION-17 Try and produce a digram based on the g-box, g-snap, g-text model from Sandro's email and this conversation notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-17 Try and produce a digram based on the g-box, g-snap, g-text model from Sandro's email and this conversation notes added ←
15:08:57 <cygri> gavin, very nice diagram!
Richard Cyganiak: gavin, very nice diagram! ←
15:09:04 <AlexHall> zakim, 212.aaee is me
Alex Hall: zakim, 212.aaee is me ←
15:09:04 <Zakim> sorry, AlexHall, I do not recognize a party named '212.aaee'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, AlexHall, I do not recognize a party named '212.aaee' ←
15:09:09 <mbrunati> david: gavin has made the diagram on GRAPH
David Wood: gavin has made the diagram on GRAPH ←
15:09:27 <sandro> zakim, list attendees
Sandro Hawke: zakim, list attendees ←
15:09:28 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been yvesr, mbrunati, JFB, LeeF, OlivierCorby, Sandro, AndyS, AxelPolleres, Tony, manu, gavin, +1.443.212.aaee, +3539149aaaa, +31.20.598.aaaa,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been yvesr, mbrunati, JFB, LeeF, OlivierCorby, Sandro, AndyS, AxelPolleres, Tony, manu, gavin, +1.443.212.aaee, +3539149aaaa, +31.20.598.aaaa, ←
15:09:30 <Zakim> ... David_Wood, +1.404.978.aaaa, NickH, FabGandon
Zakim IRC Bot: ... David_Wood, +1.404.978.aaaa, NickH, FabGandon ←
15:09:35 <AndyS> gavin, "me:" and ":me" are the same?
Andy Seaborne: gavin, "me:" and ":me" are the same? ←
15:10:00 <mbrunati> Topic: Action Items
15:10:01 <mbrunati> ... there are some action-items for the next week in general
... there are some action-items for the next week in general ←
15:10:02 <mbrunati> action-4 and action6 are overdue
ACTION-4 and ACTION-6 are overdue ←
15:10:00 <gavin> Andy, yes... thanks. Will fix :D
Gavin Carothers: Andy, yes... thanks. Will fix :D ←
15:10:19 <Zakim> -yvesr
Zakim IRC Bot: -yvesr ←
15:10:41 <davidwood> Topic: F2F1
15:10:41 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/F2F1
David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/F2F1 ←
15:10:49 <mbrunati> one more week with an hour earlier for the Europeans
one more week with an hour earlier for the Europeans ←
15:11:08 <Zakim> +??P4
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4 ←
15:11:10 <mbrunati> david: talking about F2FI
David Wood: talking about F2FI ←
15:11:16 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P4 is yvesr
Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P4 is yvesr ←
15:11:16 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yvesr; got it ←
15:11:27 <sandro> q+ to ask about hotels
Sandro Hawke: q+ to ask about hotels ←
15:11:48 <gavin> zakim, mute me
Gavin Carothers: zakim, mute me ←
15:11:48 <Zakim> gavin should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: gavin should now be muted ←
15:11:55 <mbrunati> ... please express the intent to make presence explicit on the f2f on the wiki
... please express the intent to make presence explicit on the f2f on the wiki ←
15:13:13 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
15:13:17 <davidwood> ack sandro
David Wood: ack sandro ←
15:13:17 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to ask about hotels
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to ask about hotels ←
15:13:28 <NickH> sandro: yvesr and I are staying at Mercure Hotel Amsterdam Aan de Amstel
Sandro Hawke: yvesr and I are staying at Mercure Hotel Amsterdam Aan de Amstel [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:13:29 <yvesr> we're staying at the Mercure hotel
Yves Raimond: we're staying at the Mercure hotel ←
15:13:35 <yvesr> (near Amstel station)
Yves Raimond: (near Amstel station) ←
15:13:51 <NickH> I believe SteveH and mischat are too
Nicholas Humfrey: I believe SteveH and mischat are too ←
15:13:55 <mbrunati> sandro: on hotels on the f2f at the Mercure hotel
Sandro Hawke: on hotels on the f2f at the Mercure hotel ←
15:14:48 <mbrunati> topic: GRAPH TF, a proposal
15:14:50 <davidwood> Graph task force: Richard's proposal: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-Graphs/RDF-Datasets-Proposal
David Wood: Graph task force: Richard's proposal: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-Graphs/RDF-Datasets-Proposal ←
15:15:27 <mbrunati> David: a proposal to make something concrete to work on
David Wood: a proposal to make something concrete to work on ←
15:15:56 <yvesr> Zakim, mute me
Yves Raimond: Zakim, mute me ←
15:15:56 <Zakim> yvesr should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: yvesr should now be muted ←
15:16:13 <mbrunati> how to address better the use cases, take the concept of RDF core, SPARQL
how to address better the use cases, take the concept of RDF core, SPARQL ←
15:16:50 <mbrunati> RDF dataset identify in SPARQL are basically syntactic
RDF dataset identify in SPARQL are basically syntactic ←
15:17:22 <mbrunati> they are based on something already defined
they are based on something already defined ←
15:17:49 <mbrunati> the discussion on the ML is on two points
the discussion on the ML is on two points ←
15:18:13 <gavin> In addition to the named graphs and default graph mentioned by Richard many SPARQL implementations support a Union graph as well.
Gavin Carothers: In addition to the named graphs and default graph mentioned by Richard many SPARQL implementations support a Union graph as well. ←
15:18:57 <manu> q+ to discuss data-deduplication in RDF as it relates to bnodes.
Manu Sporny: q+ to discuss data-deduplication in RDF as it relates to bnodes. ←
15:19:08 <mbrunati> semantics and SPARQL: is it complete or not?
semantics and SPARQL: is it complete or not? ←
15:19:11 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
15:19:50 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
15:19:53 <Zakim> +??P49
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P49 ←
15:19:55 <mbrunati> what the relations between graph, bnodes, what identify graph, g-snaps or snapshot and so on
what the relations between graph, bnodes, what identify graph, g-snaps or snapshot and so on ←
15:20:06 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking? ←
15:20:06 <AxelPolleres> well, SPARQL will say *something* about semantics in its Entailment Regimes document, but there will not be interdependencies between graphs in Datasets in SPARQL Entailment regimes.
Axel Polleres: well, SPARQL will say *something* about semantics in its Entailment Regimes document, but there will not be interdependencies between graphs in Datasets in SPARQL Entailment regimes. ←
15:20:07 <Zakim> -??P49
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P49 ←
15:20:09 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aabb ←
15:20:16 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (24%), +3539149aaaa (24%), David_Wood (29%), ??P51 (20%)
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (24%), +3539149aaaa (24%), David_Wood (29%), ??P51 (20%) ←
15:20:29 <Zakim> +??P49
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P49 ←
15:21:08 <AndyS> Axel, isn't entailment is only for graphs?
Andy Seaborne: Axel, isn't entailment is only for graphs? ←
15:21:14 <mbrunati> another point is maybe this proposal is something that is complete or not?
another point is maybe this proposal is something that is complete or not? ←
15:21:14 <davidwood> ack Manu
David Wood: ack Manu ←
15:21:14 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to discuss data-deduplication in RDF as it relates to bnodes.
Zakim IRC Bot: manu, you wanted to discuss data-deduplication in RDF as it relates to bnodes. ←
15:21:28 <mbrunati> manu:
15:22:06 <mbrunati> what are the proper directions on using bnodes in this context? g-snaps
what are the proper directions on using bnodes in this context? g-snaps ←
15:22:29 <gavin> +q to mention Union graph and it's usefulness
Gavin Carothers: +q to mention Union graph and it's usefulness ←
15:23:00 <mbrunati> thinking on hard drives, the core OS thinking on files on different ways, and bnodes
thinking on hard drives, the core OS thinking on files on different ways, and bnodes ←
15:23:14 <mbrunati> we can think on them on the same way
we can think on them on the same way ←
15:24:07 <davidwood> ack Sandro
David Wood: ack Sandro ←
15:24:08 <mbrunati> bnode as a file container maybe... we really need bnodes as a cross g-snaps
bnode as a file container maybe... we really need bnodes as a cross g-snaps ←
15:24:26 <AndyS> q+ to talk about graph/subgraph
Andy Seaborne: q+ to talk about graph/subgraph ←
15:24:30 <mbrunati> zakim, who is talking?
zakim, who is talking? ←
15:24:40 <Zakim> mbrunati, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (14%), David_Wood (65%)
Zakim IRC Bot: mbrunati, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (14%), David_Wood (65%) ←
15:24:56 <mbrunati> bnodes are probably a problem for SPARQL users
bnodes are probably a problem for SPARQL users ←
15:25:05 <sandro> davidwood: The problem I see with bnodes is when they are returned from a query and people want to follow-up.
David Wood: The problem I see with bnodes is when they are returned from a query and people want to follow-up. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:25:42 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
15:25:49 <gavin> Nope.
Gavin Carothers: Nope. ←
15:25:55 <davidwood> ack AndyS
David Wood: ack AndyS ←
15:25:55 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to talk about graph/subgraph
Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, you wanted to talk about graph/subgraph ←
15:26:00 <mbrunati> andy:
15:26:25 <sandro> AndyS: sometimes you know one graph is a strict mathematical subgraph, eg a inference view of the data and the base data, then you know it's the same bnode.
Andy Seaborne: sometimes you know one graph is a strict mathematical subgraph, eg a inference view of the data and the base data, then you know it's the same bnode. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:26:26 <manu> Manu: Looking at this from a data de-duplication perspective, perhaps bnodes could be viewed as only being an implementation concern?
Manu Sporny: Looking at this from a data de-duplication perspective, perhaps bnodes could be viewed as only being an implementation concern? [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
15:26:47 <mbrunati> richard:
15:27:04 <sandro> +1 test cases on bnodes
Sandro Hawke: +1 test cases on bnodes ←
15:27:12 <sandro> +1 test cases on bnode sharing
Sandro Hawke: +1 test cases on bnode sharing ←
15:27:19 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
15:27:19 <manu> Manu: That is, you can share the bnode data across multiple instances in a copy-on-write way... that would allow us to say that bnodes are only valid inside a particular g-snap (it would make our decision easier)
Manu Sporny: That is, you can share the bnode data across multiple instances in a copy-on-write way... that would allow us to say that bnodes are only valid inside a particular g-snap (it would make our decision easier) [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
15:27:42 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
15:28:11 <mbrunati> sandro:
15:28:12 <manu> Manu: So, one could expect thousands of bnodes that are exactly the same between multiple g-snaps... but that storage space could be compressed using bnode de-duplication on disk.
Manu Sporny: So, one could expect thousands of bnodes that are exactly the same between multiple g-snaps... but that storage space could be compressed using bnode de-duplication on disk. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
15:28:31 <davidwood> g-handle? :P
David Wood: g-handle? :P ←
15:28:42 <gavin> zakim, unmute me
Gavin Carothers: zakim, unmute me ←
15:28:42 <Zakim> gavin was not muted, gavin
Zakim IRC Bot: gavin was not muted, gavin ←
15:28:49 <mbrunati> people use graphs and not are talking about graphs...
people use graphs and not are talking about graphs... ←
15:29:08 <manu> Manu: However, there are other concerns as David and Andy mention about queries on bnodes.
Manu Sporny: However, there are other concerns as David and Andy mention about queries on bnodes. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
15:29:14 <mbrunati> what's the relation between URIS and g-snaps
what's the relation between URIS and g-snaps ←
15:29:21 <AndyS> SPARQL's "named graph" is the pair without meaning of the relationship -- maybe we need a "best practices" for using that
Andy Seaborne: SPARQL's "named graph" is the pair without meaning of the relationship -- maybe we need a "best practices" for using that ←
15:29:26 <gavin> +1 sandro
Gavin Carothers: +1 sandro ←
15:29:28 <mbrunati> URIs as g-boxes
URIs as g-boxes ←
15:29:43 <manu> +1 to sandro's terminology
Manu Sporny: +1 to sandro's terminology ←
15:29:56 <FabGandon> +1 for URIs identifying g-boxes
Fabien Gandon: +1 for URIs identifying g-boxes ←
15:30:05 <manu> Graph Box -> Graph Snapshot -> Graph Representation
Manu Sporny: Graph Box -> Graph Snapshot -> Graph Representation ←
15:30:17 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
15:30:18 <manu> Graph Resource -> Graph Snapshot -> Graph Representation ?
Manu Sporny: Graph Resource -> Graph Snapshot -> Graph Representation ? ←
15:30:18 <AndyS> +1 to g-snap of a g-box (the IRI) at some point in time
Andy Seaborne: +1 to g-snap of a g-box (the IRI) at some point in time ←
15:30:24 <mbrunati> we need to determine more terminology
we need to determine more terminology ←
15:30:28 <mbrunati> gavin:
15:30:41 <gavin> http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-http-rdf-update/
Gavin Carothers: http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-http-rdf-update/ ←
15:31:02 <manu> Maps nicely to Resource -> Snapshot -> Representation - perhaps we should add this to TAG/WEBARCH people?
Manu Sporny: Maps nicely to Resource -> Snapshot -> Representation - perhaps we should add this to TAG/WEBARCH people? ←
15:31:04 <mbrunati> on the rdf update on the SPARQL WG
on the rdf update on the SPARQL WG ←
15:31:27 <mbrunati> what is the mapping? in turtle
what is the mapping? in turtle ←
15:31:44 <AndyS> New name of that doc is "SPARQL 1.1 RDF Dataset HTTP Protocol"
Andy Seaborne: New name of that doc is "SPARQL 1.1 RDF Dataset HTTP Protocol" ←
15:32:08 <mbrunati> gavin: other thing in the document, SPARQL mentions union graph
Gavin Carothers: other thing in the document, SPARQL mentions union graph ←
15:32:18 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
15:32:22 <davidwood> ack gavin
David Wood: ack gavin ←
15:32:22 <Zakim> gavin, you wanted to mention Union graph and it's usefulness
Zakim IRC Bot: gavin, you wanted to mention Union graph and it's usefulness ←
15:32:40 <davidwood> ack cygri
David Wood: ack cygri ←
15:32:44 <mbrunati> what graph are coming from, what is dataset notion in this context
what graph are coming from, what is dataset notion in this context ←
15:32:48 <mbrunati> richard:
15:33:20 <manu> +1 sharing blank nodes between two g-snaps matters with union graphs.
Manu Sporny: +1 sharing blank nodes between two g-snaps matters with union graphs. ←
15:33:22 <mbrunati> union graph, URIs are g-boxes
union graph, URIs are g-boxes ←
15:34:13 <mbrunati> if we want to store some metadata about the graph,
if we want to store some metadata about the graph, ←
15:34:37 <mbrunati> we have to identify a sort of snapshot of that graph
we have to identify a sort of snapshot of that graph ←
15:34:42 <danbri_> [could someone ask Guus if he could let me into his office?]
Dan Brickley: [could someone ask Guus if he could let me into his office?] ←
15:35:08 <manu> q+ to ask Guus to let Dan into his office
Manu Sporny: q+ to ask Guus to let Dan into his office ←
15:35:11 <mbrunati> with or without some trasformation on it?
with or without some trasformation on it? ←
15:35:18 <gavin> zakim, mute me
Gavin Carothers: zakim, mute me ←
15:35:18 <Zakim> gavin should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: gavin should now be muted ←
15:35:32 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
15:36:14 <manu> q-
Manu Sporny: q- ←
15:36:26 <mbrunati> richard:
15:36:39 <sandro> sandro: Excellent example, fetching http://www.w3.org and putting the metadata into a dataset, you'd have to do a (reversable) syntactic transformation, eg into http://myserve.example.com/fetched=http://www.w3.org
Sandro Hawke: Excellent example, fetching http://www.w3.org and putting the metadata into a dataset, you'd have to do a (reversable) syntactic transformation, eg into http://myserve.example.com/fetched=http://www.w3.org [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:36:41 <mbrunati> how to understand how to move forward on it?
how to understand how to move forward on it? ←
15:37:17 <mbrunati> sandro has pointed out more attention on terminology
sandro has pointed out more attention on terminology ←
15:37:21 <cygri> propose that a g-sandro is a (URI, g-snap) pair
Richard Cyganiak: propose that a g-sandro is a (URI, g-snap) pair ←
15:37:23 <gavin> Yeah, but SPARQL already uses it?
Gavin Carothers: Yeah, but SPARQL already uses it? ←
15:37:29 <yvesr> cygri: :)
Richard Cyganiak: :) [ Scribe Assist by Yves Raimond ] ←
15:37:34 <gavin> FROM NAMED
Gavin Carothers: FROM NAMED ←
15:38:00 <mbrunati> what are graphs, definitions, better named graph definitions maybe, some confusion on defs
what are graphs, definitions, better named graph definitions maybe, some confusion on defs ←
15:38:10 <sandro> a "name g-box pair" ?
Sandro Hawke: a "name g-box pair" ? ←
15:38:38 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:38:46 <mbrunati> URI, IRIs graph, we have to more focus on named graph on SPARQL
URI, IRIs graph, we have to more focus on named graph on SPARQL ←
15:39:13 <mbrunati> how to get out metadata about and out of this graph?
how to get out metadata about and out of this graph? ←
15:39:14 <davidwood> ack AndyS
David Wood: ack AndyS ←
15:39:17 <mbrunati> andys:
15:39:54 <mbrunati> URI as id for the graph or maybe
URI as id for the graph or maybe ←
15:41:20 <mbrunati> much meaning in a word, in a graph, in a name, few weeks to make clearer it
much meaning in a word, in a graph, in a name, few weeks to make clearer it ←
15:41:49 <mbrunati> zakim, who is talking?
zakim, who is talking? ←
15:42:00 <Zakim> mbrunati, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Peter_Patel-Schneider (30%), Sandro (5%), David_Wood (19%)
Zakim IRC Bot: mbrunati, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Peter_Patel-Schneider (30%), Sandro (5%), David_Wood (19%) ←
15:43:15 <mbrunati> richard wants to make a more practical nextstep on it
richard wants to make a more practical nextstep on it ←
15:43:24 <mbrunati> more work on the ML
more work on the ML ←
15:43:28 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
15:43:51 <sandro> sandro: It would be great to get the wording around "named graph" made somehow clearer in SPARQL drafts before LC, or at least before PR.
Sandro Hawke: It would be great to get the wording around "named graph" made somehow clearer in SPARQL drafts before LC, or at least before PR. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:43:54 <mbrunati> topic: Turtle TF
15:43:55 <mbrunati> david: now Turtle
David Wood: now Turtle ←
15:44:01 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-Turtle/Proposals
David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-Turtle/Proposals ←
15:44:07 <mbrunati> nathan:
15:44:22 <sandro> s/nathan:/richard:
15:44:29 <AndyS> was Richard again (+1 for all the effort)
Andy Seaborne: was Richard again (+1 for all the effort) ←
15:44:34 <mbrunati> thanks
thanks ←
15:44:40 <davidwood> Yes, +1 to Richard
David Wood: Yes, +1 to Richard ←
15:45:19 <mbrunati> name graph, more work, some proposal are out of scope
name graph, more work, some proposal are out of scope ←
15:46:26 <mbrunati> more usable, more use cases, many different languages, special characters
more usable, more use cases, many different languages, special characters ←
15:47:14 <mbrunati> some proposals on graph TF
some proposals on graph TF ←
15:47:18 <gavin> +1 as it's also great for building parsers ;)
Gavin Carothers: +1 as it's also great for building parsers ;) ←
15:47:18 <mbrunati> david:
15:47:49 <AndyS> Can we not start with the n-triples text in RDF test cases?
Andy Seaborne: Can we not start with the n-triples text in RDF test cases? ←
15:48:15 <mbrunati> a comment on Twitter that strongly not Turtle in RDF rec
a comment on Twitter that strongly not Turtle in RDF rec ←
15:49:10 <mbrunati> we have to understand what is out of scope on the f2f
we have to understand what is out of scope on the f2f ←
15:49:49 <mbrunati> it's important to make ideas freely in this WG, even if someone upset and so on
it's important to make ideas freely in this WG, even if someone upset and so on ←
15:49:50 <manu> I don't think that we need the "!" syntax in TURTLE, either... our company has never had a need for it.
Manu Sporny: I don't think that we need the "!" syntax in TURTLE, either... our company has never had a need for it. ←
15:50:12 <gavin> At least for Turtle task force it doesn't look like very many people are going be at the F2F :(
Gavin Carothers: At least for Turtle task force it doesn't look like very many people are going be at the F2F :( ←
15:50:37 <mbrunati> f2f on the JSON proposals, it's important to move on also
f2f on the JSON proposals, it's important to move on also ←
15:50:59 <manu> +1 to get the preliminary JSON document sorted by the end of 1st F2F
Manu Sporny: +1 to get the preliminary JSON document sorted by the end of 1st F2F ←
15:51:22 <mbrunati> david: what the timeline of closing out the opened issues?
David Wood: what the timeline of closing out the opened issues? ←
15:51:53 <mbrunati> we not have an opened issue on named graph
we not have an opened issue on named graph ←
15:52:01 <Zakim> + +1.760.705.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.760.705.aacc ←
15:52:12 <sandro> issue: What is a named graph and what should we call it?
ISSUE: What is a named graph and what should we call it? ←
15:52:12 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-14 - What is a named graph and what should we call it? ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/14/edit .
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-14 - What is a named graph and what should we call it? ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/14/edit . ←
15:53:17 <mbrunati> david: are there other opened issues on this telecon?
David Wood: are there other opened issues on this telecon? ←
15:53:25 <sandro> issue: what is the relationship between the IRI and the triples in a dataset/quad-syntax/etc
ISSUE: what is the relationship between the IRI and the triples in a dataset/quad-syntax/etc ←
15:53:25 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-15 - What is the relationship between the IRI and the triples in a dataset/quad-syntax/etc ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/15/edit .
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-15 - What is the relationship between the IRI and the triples in a dataset/quad-syntax/etc ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/15/edit . ←
15:54:29 <gavin> other people have been having trouble
Gavin Carothers: other people have been having trouble ←
15:54:30 <mbrunati> david: how to understand better what kind of documents we supposed are working on?
David Wood: how to understand better what kind of documents we supposed are working on? ←
15:54:41 <gavin> zakim, mute me
Gavin Carothers: zakim, mute me ←
15:54:41 <Zakim> gavin should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: gavin should now be muted ←
15:54:48 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
15:55:04 <mbrunati> we have to use Turtle or not?
we have to use Turtle or not? ←
15:56:12 <mbrunati> maybe it is necessary to collect on wikis periodical revisions on materials discussed
maybe it is necessary to collect on wikis periodical revisions on materials discussed ←
15:56:23 <mbrunati> topic: JSON TF
15:56:33 <mbrunati> manu:
15:56:35 <manu> syntax options for JSON: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/JSON_Syntax_Options
Manu Sporny: syntax options for JSON: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/JSON_Syntax_Options ←
15:56:38 <tomayac> +1 for nathan's work!
Thomas Steiner: +1 for nathan's work! ←
15:56:51 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-JSON#RDF_in_JSON_Use_Cases
Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-JSON#RDF_in_JSON_Use_Cases ←
15:56:58 <davidwood> Kudos to the JSON TF for the longest wiki page :)
David Wood: Kudos to the JSON TF for the longest wiki page :) ←
15:57:00 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-JSON#RDF_in_JSON_Design_Requirements
Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-JSON#RDF_in_JSON_Design_Requirements ←
15:57:04 <mbrunati> collected some info on JSON syntax options, use cases, design requirements
collected some info on JSON syntax options, use cases, design requirements ←
15:57:10 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/JSON_Syntax_Options
Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/JSON_Syntax_Options ←
15:57:13 <mbrunati> +1 for nathan's work
+1 for nathan's work ←
15:57:40 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/JSON_Syntax_Options#Syntax_Structure
Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/JSON_Syntax_Options#Syntax_Structure ←
15:57:46 <mbrunati> the primary decision is
the primary decision is ←
15:58:07 <mbrunati> JSON based on triples or objects model
JSON based on triples or objects model ←
15:58:19 <mbrunati> or document approach
or document approach ←
15:58:30 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby
Zakim IRC Bot: -OlivierCorby ←
15:58:52 <mbrunati> to move forward we have to make some decision, but it's not clear how
to move forward we have to make some decision, but it's not clear how ←
15:59:11 <mbrunati> maybe we have missed out some information on these proposals
maybe we have missed out some information on these proposals ←
15:59:20 <LeeF> q+ to ask if we're putting the cart before the horse
Lee Feigenbaum: q+ to ask if we're putting the cart before the horse ←
15:59:29 <Zakim> + +33.4.92.38.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.4.92.38.aadd ←
15:59:58 <davidwood> ack LeeF
David Wood: ack LeeF ←
15:59:58 <Zakim> LeeF, you wanted to ask if we're putting the cart before the horse
Zakim IRC Bot: LeeF, you wanted to ask if we're putting the cart before the horse ←
16:00:19 <tomayac> q+
Thomas Steiner: q+ ←
16:00:39 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
16:00:45 <mbrunati> leef: probably we need to know what problems we try to solve
Lee Feigenbaum: probably we need to know what problems we try to solve ←
16:00:45 <AndyS> +1 to LeeF
Andy Seaborne: +1 to LeeF ←
16:01:02 <manu> the object-based vs. triple-based decision hints at the problem we're trying to solve.
Manu Sporny: the object-based vs. triple-based decision hints at the problem we're trying to solve. ←
16:01:13 <cygri> +1 to LeeF
Richard Cyganiak: +1 to LeeF ←
16:01:16 <mbrunati> +1 manu
+1 manu ←
16:01:25 <sandro> sandro: "make existing JSON map to RDF model" -- "make RDF easy for JSON users" -- "make json serialization of RDF"
Sandro Hawke: "make existing JSON map to RDF model" -- "make RDF easy for JSON users" -- "make json serialization of RDF" [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:01:26 <yvesr> indeed - the answer will depend on whether we wanta full rdf serialisation or not
Yves Raimond: indeed - the answer will depend on whether we wanta full rdf serialisation or not ←
16:01:34 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-JSON#A_primary_goal_SHOULD_be_to_build_a_human-friendly_version_of_the_serialization_for_JSON_developers
Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-JSON#A_primary_goal_SHOULD_be_to_build_a_human-friendly_version_of_the_serialization_for_JSON_developers ←
16:01:49 <sandro> (actually, some of that was Lee)
Sandro Hawke: (actually, some of that was Lee) ←
16:01:52 <davidwood> ack tomayac
David Wood: ack tomayac ←
16:02:00 <mbrunati> tomayac:
16:02:08 <AndyS> +1 to conflates issue with implementation
Andy Seaborne: +1 to conflates issue with implementation ←
16:02:13 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
16:02:17 <sandro> +1 at-a-glance serializations.
Sandro Hawke: +1 at-a-glance serializations. ←
16:02:22 <NickH> +1
Nicholas Humfrey: +1 ←
16:02:44 <mbrunati> maybe we not need a complete serialization on json
maybe we not need a complete serialization on json ←
16:03:11 <mbrunati> zakim, who is talking?
zakim, who is talking? ←
16:03:21 <Zakim> mbrunati, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (19%), David_Wood (24%), +1.404.978.aaaa (19%)
Zakim IRC Bot: mbrunati, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (19%), David_Wood (24%), +1.404.978.aaaa (19%) ←
16:03:23 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
16:04:04 <mbrunati> not now
not now ←
16:04:15 <mbrunati> thanks
thanks ←
16:04:19 <davidwood> ack cygri
David Wood: ack cygri ←
16:04:58 <sandro> ACTION tomayac to create and start to populate a wiki area of demo graphs with how they each look in each json proposal.
Sandro Hawke: ACTION tomayac to create and start to populate a wiki area of demo graphs with how they each look in each json proposal. ←
16:04:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-20 - Create and start to populate a wiki area of demo graphs with how they each look in each json proposal. [on Thomas Steiner - due 2011-03-23].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-20 - Create and start to populate a wiki area of demo graphs with how they each look in each json proposal. [on Thomas Steiner - due 2011-03-23]. ←
16:05:08 <mbrunati> cygri: more documentation on use cases and so on...
Richard Cyganiak: more documentation on use cases and so on... ←
16:05:19 <mbrunati> triple vs object approach
triple vs object approach ←
16:05:56 <mbrunati> the problem maybe is on the head of us, how to manage a triplestore from a javascript context
the problem maybe is on the head of us, how to manage a triplestore from a javascript context ←
16:06:08 <yvesr> although SPARQL results in JSON is probably not in our scope
Yves Raimond: although SPARQL results in JSON is probably not in our scope ←
16:06:28 <sandro> cygri: some people find it important to, eg, access a triplestore without a (turtle) library. or, "i have an RDF graph and want to write it in json". or manu's thing I don't quite understand.
Richard Cyganiak: some people find it important to, eg, access a triplestore without a (turtle) library. or, "i have an RDF graph and want to write it in json". or manu's thing I don't quite understand. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:06:54 <manu> q+ to respond to Richard.
Manu Sporny: q+ to respond to Richard. ←
16:06:57 <sandro> cygri: is the motivation to add bits of annotaiton to existing json, so they can be parsed as RDF?
Richard Cyganiak: is the motivation to add bits of annotaiton to existing json, so they can be parsed as RDF? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:07:15 <sandro> cygri: or do you not need migration/annotation
Richard Cyganiak: or do you not need migration/annotation [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:07:15 <mbrunati> manage the existing json stuff or to generate RDF to JSON syntax
manage the existing json stuff or to generate RDF to JSON syntax ←
16:07:19 <davidwood> ack manu
David Wood: ack manu ←
16:07:19 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to respond to Richard.
Zakim IRC Bot: manu, you wanted to respond to Richard. ←
16:07:22 <mbrunati> or something else?
or something else? ←
16:07:26 <mbrunati> manu:
16:07:56 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
16:08:09 <sandro> manu: (1) annotation pre-existing json, and (2) take data people are emitting today (eg twitter) and understand that as RDF, by adding a "default context"
Manu Sporny: (1) annotation pre-existing json, and (2) take data people are emitting today (eg twitter) and understand that as RDF, by adding a "default context" [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:08:49 <mbrunati> shall we make a json complete serialization of RDF?
shall we make a json complete serialization of RDF? ←
16:09:00 <davidwood> ack cygri
David Wood: ack cygri ←
16:09:07 <mbrunati> cygri:
16:09:40 <sandro> +1 manu --- don't worry about another rdf serializaion, but DO both make it easy for json developers, AND try to including existing json data via annotations
Sandro Hawke: +1 manu --- don't worry about another rdf serializaion, but DO both make it easy for json developers, AND try to including existing json data via annotations ←
16:10:01 <AndyS> q+ to ask about the relationship to RDFa-WG RDF API (process Q)
Andy Seaborne: q+ to ask about the relationship to RDFa-WG RDF API (process Q) ←
16:10:05 <davidwood> Scribe: mbrunati
16:10:12 <davidwood> Chair: davidwood
16:11:28 <sandro> Zakim, list attendees
Sandro Hawke: Zakim, list attendees ←
16:11:28 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been yvesr, mbrunati, JFB, LeeF, OlivierCorby, Sandro, AndyS, AxelPolleres, Tony, manu, gavin, +1.443.212.aaee, +3539149aaaa, +31.20.598.aaaa,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been yvesr, mbrunati, JFB, LeeF, OlivierCorby, Sandro, AndyS, AxelPolleres, Tony, manu, gavin, +1.443.212.aaee, +3539149aaaa, +31.20.598.aaaa, ←
16:11:31 <Zakim> ... David_Wood, +1.404.978.aaaa, NickH, FabGandon, +1.603.897.aabb, +1.760.705.aacc, +33.4.92.38.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: ... David_Wood, +1.404.978.aaaa, NickH, FabGandon, +1.603.897.aabb, +1.760.705.aacc, +33.4.92.38.aadd ←
16:11:44 <manu> q+ to propose a separate RDF in JSON call to work through these issues.
Manu Sporny: q+ to propose a separate RDF in JSON call to work through these issues. ←
16:12:15 <mbrunati> the discussion is on how to manage graphs, and all RDF stuff on JSON context,
the discussion is on how to manage graphs, and all RDF stuff on JSON context, ←
16:12:35 <sandro> cygri: This goal of trying to parse RDF out of existing json may be out of scope for this WG.
Richard Cyganiak: This goal of trying to parse RDF out of existing json may be out of scope for this WG. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:12:46 <davidwood> ack AndyS
David Wood: ack AndyS ←
16:12:46 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask about the relationship to RDFa-WG RDF API (process Q)
Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, you wanted to ask about the relationship to RDFa-WG RDF API (process Q) ←
16:12:59 <mbrunati> david: not enough time to complete the agenda on RDF Rec probably
David Wood: not enough time to complete the agenda on RDF Rec probably ←
16:13:25 <davidwood> ack manu
David Wood: ack manu ←
16:13:25 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to propose a separate RDF in JSON call to work through these issues.
Zakim IRC Bot: manu, you wanted to propose a separate RDF in JSON call to work through these issues. ←
16:13:26 <mbrunati> AndyS: relations between RDF - WG and RDFa
Andy Seaborne: relations between RDF - WG and RDFa ←
16:13:33 <tomayac> wondering whether the any-json-2-rdf-json wouldn't be a one-off mapping each single time. can there be a generalized approach?
Thomas Steiner: wondering whether the any-json-2-rdf-json wouldn't be a one-off mapping each single time. can there be a generalized approach? ←
16:14:34 <mbrunati> RDFa-WG and WG RDF API correct
RDFa-WG and WG RDF API correct ←
16:15:00 <sandro> manu: The RDF WebApps WG will do RDFa API and RDF API.
Manu Sporny: The RDF WebApps WG will do RDFa API and RDF API. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:15:10 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
16:15:12 <mbrunati> manu: there is a strong relation between these WG, the point is how to accomplish it?
Manu Sporny: there is a strong relation between these WG, the point is how to accomplish it? ←
16:15:49 <sandro> +1 manu, make a doodle poll for a telecon time
Sandro Hawke: +1 manu, make a doodle poll for a telecon time ←
16:15:59 <davidwood> Sandro, do you wish to respond to Manu or address setting up a call for JSON?
David Wood: Sandro, do you wish to respond to Manu or address setting up a call for JSON? ←
16:16:03 <mbrunati> manu: we need a separate call to make clear this misunderstanding probably
Manu Sporny: we need a separate call to make clear this misunderstanding probably ←
16:16:14 <davidwood> ack sandro
David Wood: ack sandro ←
16:16:16 <mbrunati> sandro:
16:16:55 <mbrunati> it's not clear but it take months to manage resources on it
it's not clear but it take months to manage resources on it ←
16:16:58 <mbrunati> david:
16:17:00 <manu> ACTION: Manu to create a doodle poll to find a time to have a call.
ACTION: Manu to create a doodle poll to find a time to have a call. ←
16:17:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-21 - Create a doodle poll to find a time to have a call. [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-03-23].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-21 - Create a doodle poll to find a time to have a call. [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-03-23]. ←
16:17:18 <mbrunati> probably time is finished at this time
probably time is finished at this time ←
16:17:19 <gavin> Regrets for the next meeting. And was the scribe. Jeremy will be here instead!
Gavin Carothers: Regrets for the next meeting. And was the scribe. Jeremy will be here instead! ←
16:17:25 <mbrunati> thanks
thanks ←
16:17:26 <tomayac> bye
Thomas Steiner: bye ←
16:17:28 <Zakim> -manu
Zakim IRC Bot: -manu ←
16:17:30 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres ←
16:17:30 <Zakim> - +33.4.92.38.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: - +33.4.92.38.aadd ←
16:17:34 <Zakim> - +3539149aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: - +3539149aaaa ←
16:17:35 <pchampin> bye
Pierre-Antoine Champin: bye ←
16:17:35 <Zakim> - +1.603.897.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.603.897.aabb ←
16:17:35 <Zakim> -Tony
Scribe problem: the name 'Tony' does not match any of the 41 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Jean-François Baget Scott Bauer Dan Brickley Matteo Brunati Gavin Carothers Jeremy Carroll Pierre-Antoine Champin Kiu Ching Chieh Olivier Corby Richard Cyganiak Souripriya Das Lee Feigenbaum Dieter Fensel Fabien Gandon Alex Hall Steve Harris Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Patrick Hayes Ivan Herman Nicholas Humfrey Dickson Lukose Christopher Matheus Peter Patel-Schneider Axel Polleres Eric Prud'hommeaux Yves Raimond Nathan Rixham Guus Schreiber Andy Seaborne Manu Sporny Thomas Steiner Mischa Tuffield William Waites David Wood Zhe Wu Mohamed ZERGAOUI Antoine Zimmermann Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Zakim IRC Bot: -Tony ←
16:17:36 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
16:17:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see mbrunati, JFB, LeeF, Sandro, AndyS, gavin, +1.443.212.aaee, +31.20.598.aaaa, David_Wood, FabGandon, +1.404.978.aaaa, NickH (muted), yvesr (muted), ??P49,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see mbrunati, JFB, LeeF, Sandro, AndyS, gavin, +1.443.212.aaee, +31.20.598.aaaa, David_Wood, FabGandon, +1.404.978.aaaa, NickH (muted), yvesr (muted), ??P49, ←
16:17:39 <Zakim> ... +1.760.705.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.760.705.aacc ←
16:17:39 <Zakim> - +1.443.212.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.443.212.aaee ←
16:17:43 <LeeF> cheers, everyone
Lee Feigenbaum: cheers, everyone ←
16:17:47 <Zakim> - +1.760.705.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.760.705.aacc ←
16:17:48 <gavin> zakim, unmute me
Gavin Carothers: zakim, unmute me ←
16:17:49 <hsbauer> bye
Scott Bauer: bye ←
16:17:49 <Zakim> gavin was not muted, gavin
Zakim IRC Bot: gavin was not muted, gavin ←
16:17:52 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
16:17:57 <Zakim> -LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF ←
16:18:08 <Zakim> -??P49
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P49 ←
16:18:15 <Zakim> - +1.404.978.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.404.978.aaaa ←
16:18:24 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
16:18:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see mbrunati, JFB, Sandro, gavin, +31.20.598.aaaa, David_Wood, FabGandon, NickH (muted), yvesr (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see mbrunati, JFB, Sandro, gavin, +31.20.598.aaaa, David_Wood, FabGandon, NickH (muted), yvesr (muted) ←
16:18:28 <Zakim> -NickH
Zakim IRC Bot: -NickH ←
16:18:42 <Zakim> -FabGandon
Zakim IRC Bot: -FabGandon ←
16:19:29 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
16:19:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see mbrunati, JFB, Sandro, gavin, +31.20.598.aaaa, David_Wood, yvesr (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see mbrunati, JFB, Sandro, gavin, +31.20.598.aaaa, David_Wood, yvesr (muted) ←
16:20:23 <sandro> gavin: I can't scribe next week, but jeremy will
Gavin Carothers: I can't scribe next week, but jeremy will [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:20:31 <Zakim> -gavin
Zakim IRC Bot: -gavin ←
16:22:23 <danbri_> posted draft FOAF use case for named graphs in http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/4
Dan Brickley: posted draft FOAF use case for named graphs in http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/4 ←
16:22:34 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
16:22:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see mbrunati, JFB, Sandro, +31.20.598.aaaa, David_Wood, yvesr (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see mbrunati, JFB, Sandro, +31.20.598.aaaa, David_Wood, yvesr (muted) ←
16:22:34 <danbri_> not sure exactly what was wanted so mostly historical, with sketch of requirements
Dan Brickley: not sure exactly what was wanted so mostly historical, with sketch of requirements ←
16:22:54 <Zakim> -yvesr
Zakim IRC Bot: -yvesr ←
16:22:59 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
16:23:00 <Zakim> -David_Wood
Zakim IRC Bot: -David_Wood ←
16:23:00 <Zakim> - +31.20.598.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: - +31.20.598.aaaa ←
16:23:02 <Zakim> -JFB
Zakim IRC Bot: -JFB ←
16:23:04 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended ←
16:23:05 <Zakim> Attendees were yvesr, mbrunati, JFB, LeeF, OlivierCorby, Sandro, AndyS, AxelPolleres, Tony, manu, gavin, +1.443.212.aaee, +3539149aaaa, +31.20.598.aaaa, David_Wood,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were yvesr, mbrunati, JFB, LeeF, OlivierCorby, Sandro, AndyS, AxelPolleres, Tony, manu, gavin, +1.443.212.aaee, +3539149aaaa, +31.20.598.aaaa, David_Wood, ←
16:23:07 <Zakim> ... +1.404.978.aaaa, NickH, FabGandon, +1.603.897.aabb, +1.760.705.aacc, +33.4.92.38.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.404.978.aaaa, NickH, FabGandon, +1.603.897.aabb, +1.760.705.aacc, +33.4.92.38.aadd ←
16:25:36 <mbrunati> rrsagent, draft minutes
rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:25:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/16-rdf-wg-minutes.html mbrunati
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/16-rdf-wg-minutes.html mbrunati ←
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