None.
Luc provided an overview of the preliminary draft of a simplification of the data model. Reviewers were asked to provide feedback with one week according to the criteria listed in the minutes. The following reviewers agreed to provide review: Tim, Eric, Daniel, MacTed, Curt, Sam, Jun
Satya went over an updated OWL file for prov-o. Reviewers agreed to review the ontology within 1 week according to the criteria listed in the minutes. Reviewers were Luc, Paolo, EricS, Stephen, Curt.
The ProvRDF mappings were largely complete. The group agreed on a process to harmonize the prov-dm and prov-o via the mappings page. A new product (Product 9) corresponding to the ProvRDF mappings was created in the tracker. Issues with respect to harmonization should be raised there.
A discussion on when we could release a synchronous set of working drafts between prov-dm, prov-o and prov-primer. March 14 was proposed as a deadline, however, it was unclear whether this would be viable in terms of both delivery and progress on other drafts. It was decided to finalize this at the next telecon.
A discussion was had about renaming of the current agent subtypes. There was believed to be consensus on the mailing list for renaming. However, there was no consensus on the call. Use cases for agent subtypes from prior working group discussions were asked for. Paul agreed to send a pointer to the mailing list.
15:52:16 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/02/16-prov-irc
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15:52:18 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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15:52:20 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
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15:52:20 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
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15:52:21 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
15:52:21 <trackbot> Date: 16 February 2012
15:52:29 <pgroth> Zakim, this will be PROV
Paul Groth: Zakim, this will be PROV ←
15:52:29 <Zakim> ok, pgroth; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
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15:52:45 <pgroth> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.02.16
15:52:55 <pgroth> Chair: Paul Groth
15:53:00 <pgroth> Scribe: Eric Stephan
(Scribe set to Eric Stephan)
15:53:11 <pgroth> rrsagent, make logs public
Paul Groth: rrsagent, make logs public ←
15:53:20 <pgroth> Regrets: Michael Lang
15:54:06 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started
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15:54:21 <pgroth> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
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15:54:21 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it
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15:54:59 <Zakim> + +1.509.967.aaaa
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15:56:40 <Zakim> +Luc
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15:59:46 <SamCoppens> zakim, +329331aabb is me
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15:59:53 <Helena> zakim, ??P48 is me
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15:59:53 <Zakim> +Helena; got it
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16:02:10 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P63 is probably me
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16:02:21 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
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16:02:41 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
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16:02:44 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
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16:02:56 <Zakim> +tlebo
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16:03:09 <Zakim> +dgarijo?; got it
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16:03:31 <Zakim> +Helena
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16:03:44 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy?
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16:03:50 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
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16:03:54 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
16:03:55 <Helena> zakim, who is making noise?
Helena Deus: zakim, who is making noise? ←
16:04:27 <pgroth> Topic: Admin
16:04:48 <ERICstephan> pgroth: Paul still has to do the minues of the f2f2 meeting.
Paul Groth: Paul still has to do the minues of the f2f2 meeting. ←
16:04:58 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pgroth (51%), Luc (13%), [IPcaller] (54%)
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pgroth (51%), Luc (13%), [IPcaller] (54%) ←
16:04:59 <ERICstephan> pgroth: will be getting to it asap
Paul Groth: will be getting to it asap ←
16:05:00 <pgroth> Minutes of the Feb 9 2012 Telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-02-09
Paul Groth: Minutes of the Feb 9 2012 Telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-02-09 ←
16:05:12 <Zakim> Helena, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pgroth (39%), Luc (34%), [IPcaller] (11%)
Zakim IRC Bot: Helena, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pgroth (39%), Luc (34%), [IPcaller] (11%) ←
16:05:19 <Curt> +1
Curt Tilmes: +1 ←
16:05:23 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
16:05:24 <ERICstephan> +1
+1 ←
16:05:26 <jun> +1
16:05:28 <Helena> +1
Helena Deus: +1 ←
16:05:34 <SamCoppens> +1
Sam Coppens: +1 ←
16:05:56 <pgroth> Approved - Minutes of the Feb 9 2012 Telecon
Paul Groth: Approved - Minutes of the Feb 9 2012 Telecon ←
16:06:06 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/open
Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/open ←
16:06:09 <ERICstephan> pgroth: go over open actions, but not all
Paul Groth: go over open actions, but not all ←
16:06:23 <ERICstephan> pgroth: Action #52:
Paul Groth: Action #52: ←
16:06:58 <dgarijo> +1 for the minutes too
Daniel Garijo: +1 for the minutes too ←
16:07:18 <ERICstephan> pgroth:52 not closed yet because of 106
Paul Groth: ACTION-52 not closed yet because of 105 ←
16:07:27 <ERICstephan> s/106/105
16:07:39 <pgroth> Engage implementation task force to begin developing of a test harness around examples (from tim or others)
Paul Groth: Engage implementation task force to begin developing of a test harness around examples (from tim or others) ←
16:07:46 <MacTed> s/52/Action-52/
16:08:07 <MacTed> s/of 106/of Issue-105/
Ted Thibodeau: s/of 106/of ISSUE-105/ (warning: replacement failed) ←
16:08:48 <ERICstephan> bring in HCLS and hoping stephan can validdate.
bring in HCLS and hoping stephan can validdate. ←
16:08:52 <ERICstephan> Who was speaking?
Who was speaking? ←
16:08:55 <Zakim> +??P29
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16:08:59 <jcheney> zakim, ??p29 is me
James Cheney: zakim, ??p29 is me ←
16:09:01 <Helena> ERICstephan: I was speaking
Eric Stephan: I was speaking [ Scribe Assist by Helena Deus ] ←
16:09:04 <dgarijo> that sounds very interesting indeed.
Daniel Garijo: that sounds very interesting indeed. ←
16:09:06 <ERICstephan> thank you
thank you ←
16:09:15 <Luc> date was not set
Luc Moreau: date was not set ←
16:09:20 <Zakim> +Yolanda
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16:09:48 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jcheney; got it ←
16:09:55 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo
Zakim IRC Bot: +Satya_Sahoo ←
16:10:33 <ERICstephan> pgroth: action-63 due in one week's time
Paul Groth: ACTION-63 due in one week's time ←
16:10:53 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-DM Simplification
Summary: Luc provided an overview of the preliminary draft of a simplification of the data model. Reviewers were asked to provide feedback with one week according to the criteria listed in the minutes. The following reviewers agreed to provide review: Tim, Eric, Daniel, MacTed, Curt, Sam, Jun
<pgroth> Summary: Luc provided an overview of the preliminary draft of a simplification of the data model. Reviewers were asked to provide feedback with one week according to the criteria listed in the minutes. The following reviewers agreed to provide review: Tim, Eric, Daniel, MacTed, Curt, Sam, Jun
16:10:54 <ERICstephan> pgroth: need more scribes after next week
Paul Groth: need more scribes after next week ←
16:11:02 <pgroth> ACTION-62 - Provide a preliminary simplified introduction to the data model
Paul Groth: ACTION-62 - Provide a preliminary simplified introduction to the data model ←
16:11:02 <trackbot> ACTION-62 Provide a preliminary simplified introduction to the data model 16 Feb notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-62 Provide a preliminary simplified introduction to the data model 16 Feb notes added ←
16:11:23 <MacTed> action-62?
16:11:23 <trackbot> ACTION-62 -- Luc Moreau to provide a preliminary simplified introduction to the data model 16 Feb -- due 2012-02-16 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-62 -- Luc Moreau to provide a preliminary simplified introduction to the data model 16 Feb -- due 2012-02-16 -- OPEN ←
16:11:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/62
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/62 ←
16:11:30 <Luc> - http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvDMWorkingDraft4
Luc Moreau: - http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvDMWorkingDraft4 ←
16:11:31 <ERICstephan> pgroth: update and produce intro to simplification
Paul Groth: update and produce intro to simplification ←
16:11:51 <ERICstephan> Luc: Wiki page describes current work
Luc Moreau: Wiki page describes current work ←
16:12:29 <ERICstephan> Luc: 3 parts, dropping the notion of account records
Luc Moreau: 3 parts, dropping the notion of account records ←
16:12:35 <Zakim> +??P38
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P38 ←
16:12:50 <ERICstephan> Luc: 3 levels of description and removed one of the levels, positive feedback
Luc Moreau: 3 levels of description and removed one of the levels, positive feedback ←
16:13:23 <ERICstephan> Luc: 2nd doc, events, attributes been given values over periods of time, and constraints designed to data model
Luc Moreau: 2nd doc, events, attributes been given values over periods of time, and constraints designed to data model ←
16:13:32 <Zakim> -Yolanda
Zakim IRC Bot: -Yolanda ←
16:13:59 <ERICstephan> Luc: Last section, scrappy vs proper provenance. Consider various levels of description provide different refinements
Luc Moreau: Last section, scrappy vs proper provenance. Consider various levels of description provide different refinements ←
16:14:30 <ERICstephan> Luc: Move out the grammer and put it in a different document
Luc Moreau: Move out the grammer and put it in a different document ←
16:14:42 <pgroth> +q
Paul Groth: +q ←
16:14:45 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:14:52 <pgroth> q-
Paul Groth: q- ←
16:15:02 <dgarijo> @Eric: I think it's scruffy, not scruppy ;)
Daniel Garijo: @Eric: I think it's scruffy, not scruppy ;) ←
16:15:24 <ERICstephan> Luc: at the moment, the working copy there is not an editors draft yet
Luc Moreau: at the moment, the working copy there is not an editors draft yet ←
16:15:39 <pgroth> Goals of the review:
Paul Groth: Goals of the review: ←
16:15:41 <pgroth> decide whether the new documents are inline with the simplification objective
Paul Groth: decide whether the new documents are inline with the simplification objective ←
16:15:46 <pgroth> recommend whether they become the new editor's draft
Paul Groth: recommend whether they become the new editor's draft ←
16:15:50 <ERICstephan> for the reviewers, do the documents align with the simplification goals
for the reviewers, do the documents align with the simplification goals ←
16:16:21 <ERICstephan> Luc: (these comments written by me from Luc)
Luc Moreau: (these comments written by me from Luc) ←
16:16:54 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:16:55 <ERICstephan> Luc: If we can get agreement based on recommendations from the reviewers next week
Luc Moreau: If we can get agreement based on recommendations from the reviewers next week ←
16:17:00 <ERICstephan> +q
+q ←
16:17:12 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
16:17:12 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted ←
16:17:13 <MacTed> q+
Ted Thibodeau: q+ ←
16:17:17 <pgroth> ack ERICstephan
Paul Groth: ack ERICstephan ←
16:17:18 <Zakim> +??P51
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P51 ←
16:17:43 <pgroth> ack MacTed
Paul Groth: ack MacTed ←
16:18:18 <ERICstephan> MacTed: How do you give editor comments "this sentence is unweildy" (example)
Ted Thibodeau: How do you give editor comments "this sentence is unweildy" (example) ←
16:18:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.aa] ←
16:18:27 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:18:29 <ERICstephan> Luc: Add it to wiki page
Luc Moreau: Add it to http:\ ←
16:18:51 <ERICstephan> pgroth: assign specific reviewers with specific tasks
Paul Groth: assign specific reviewers with specific tasks ←
16:19:01 <Luc> @helena, these are internal reviewers
Luc Moreau: @helena, these are internal reviewers ←
16:19:03 <MacTed> s/wiki page/http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2011\/prov\/wiki\/ProvDMWorkingDraft4#Feedback_on_These_Working_Copies/
16:19:05 <pgroth> TimL
Paul Groth: TimL ←
16:19:11 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
16:19:49 <jun> I can also do it
16:19:51 <ERICstephan> pgroth: confirm Tim +1, Eric +1, Graham ?, Daniel + 1, MacTed +1, Curt +1 (already done)
Paul Groth: confirm Tim +1, Eric +1, Graham ?, Daniel + 1, MacTed +1, Curt +1 (already done) ←
16:20:02 <SamCoppens> I can also
Sam Coppens: I can also ←
16:20:13 <pgroth> EricS, Daniel, Jun, MacTed, Curt, SamCoppens
Paul Groth: EricS, Daniel, Jun, MacTed, Curt, SamCoppens ←
16:20:23 <jun> the new structure looks good at a glance
Jun Zhao: the new structure looks good at a glance ←
16:20:52 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-O Ontology updated
Summary: Satya went over an updated OWL file for prov-o. Reviewers agreed to review the ontology within 1 week according to the criteria listed in the minutes. Reviewers were Luc, Paolo, EricS, Stephen, Curt.
<pgroth> Summary: Satya went over an updated OWL file for prov-o. Reviewers agreed to review the ontology within 1 week according to the criteria listed in the minutes. Reviewers were Luc, Paolo, EricS, Stephen, Curt.
16:20:55 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←
16:21:09 <ERICstephan> pgroth: next topic, updated OWL file
Paul Groth: next topic, updated OWL file ←
16:21:12 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
16:21:26 <ERICstephan> pgroth: released and Satya update?
Paul Groth: released and Satya update? ←
16:21:27 <jun> zakim, +[IPcaller] is me
Jun Zhao: zakim, +[IPcaller] is me ←
16:21:27 <Zakim> sorry, jun, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, jun, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]' ←
16:21:37 <jun> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
Jun Zhao: zakim, [IPcaller] is me ←
16:21:37 <Zakim> +jun; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jun; got it ←
16:22:04 <satya> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvRDF
Satya Sahoo: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvRDF ←
16:22:16 <dgarijo> and the summaries of the call are at: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PIL_OWL_Ontology
Daniel Garijo: and the summaries of the call are at: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PIL_OWL_Ontology ←
16:22:26 <ERICstephan> satya: after 2 weeks agreed on a series of changes
Satya Sahoo: after 2 weeks agreed on a series of changes ←
16:22:46 <pgroth> owl file is at: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/ontology/ProvenanceOntology.owl
Paul Groth: owl file is at: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/ontology/ProvenanceOntology.owl ←
16:23:04 <ERICstephan> satya: all incorporated in doc, there are still a number of issues, but for now the most recent changes have been reflected
Satya Sahoo: all incorporated in doc, there are still a number of issues, but for now the most recent changes have been reflected ←
16:23:10 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:23:44 <dgarijo> Changes (which are the titan pad logs): http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PIL_OWL_Ontology_Meeting_2012-02-13, http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PIL_OWL_Ontology_Meeting_2012-02-14
Daniel Garijo: Changes (which are the titan pad logs): http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PIL_OWL_Ontology_Meeting_2012-02-13, http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PIL_OWL_Ontology_Meeting_2012-02-14 ←
16:23:57 <ERICstephan> pgroth: PROV-O, does it have a good alignment with PROV-DM working draft 3?
Paul Groth: PROV-O, does it have a good alignment with PROV-DM working draft 3? ←
16:24:15 <ERICstephan> pgroth: has the ontology provide a simplified naming?
Paul Groth: has the ontology provide a simplified naming? ←
16:24:40 <ERICstephan> pgroth: does the ontology fit within OWL with itself and does it create some type of natural RDF?
Paul Groth: does the ontology fit within OWL with itself and does it create some type of natural RDF? ←
16:25:01 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:25:08 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
16:25:15 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
16:25:16 <ERICstephan> pgroth: reviewers, does it meet these goals any questions on review period
Paul Groth: reviewers, does it meet these goals any questions on review period ←
16:25:37 <ERICstephan> luc: what process are we going to use to align PROV-O and PROV-DM?
Luc Moreau: what process are we going to use to align PROV-O and PROV-DM? ←
16:25:49 <dgarijo> +q
Daniel Garijo: +q ←
16:25:56 <ERICstephan> pgroth: good question can we defer to next section?
Paul Groth: good question can we defer to next section? ←
16:26:01 <pgroth> ack dgarijo
Paul Groth: ack dgarijo ←
16:26:31 <ERICstephan> dgarijo: alignment be discussed in PROV-O task force?
Daniel Garijo: alignment be discussed in PROV-O task force? ←
16:26:42 <ERICstephan> Luc: alignment could be both directions
Luc Moreau: alignment could be both directions ←
16:27:22 <jcheney> alignment deliverable ==? ProvRDF?
James Cheney: alignment deliverable ==? ProvRDF? ←
16:27:25 <dgarijo> +1 to pgroth.
Daniel Garijo: +1 to pgroth. ←
16:27:26 <ERICstephan> Luc: alignmnet deliverable and raise issues against that?
Luc Moreau: alignmnet deliverable and raise issues against that? ←
16:27:40 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:28:28 <dgarijo> smiles and Jun have already provided some feedback :)
Daniel Garijo: smiles and Jun have already provided some feedback :) ←
16:28:29 <stephenc> OK
Stephen Cresswell: OK ←
16:28:36 <Curt> I'll be going over PROV-O too.
Curt Tilmes: I'll be going over PROV-O too. ←
16:28:55 <ERICstephan> pgroth: another one week review, confirm, Luc +1, Paolo +1, Eric +1, Stephen C +1, Curt +1
Paul Groth: another one week review, confirm, Luc +1, Paolo +1, Eric +1, Stephen C +1, Curt +1 ←
16:28:58 <pgroth> Review prov-o: Luc, paolo, EricS, Stephen, Curt
Paul Groth: Review prov-o: Luc, paolo, EricS, Stephen, Curt ←
16:29:14 <satya> Thanks everyone for the reviewing!
Satya Sahoo: Thanks everyone for the reviewing! ←
16:29:29 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:29:31 <ERICstephan> pgroth: same process applies, goes to list and we talk about it next week.
Paul Groth: same process applies, goes to list and we talk about it next week. ←
16:29:37 <pgroth> Topic: ProvRDF Mappings
Summary: The ProvRDF mappings were largely complete. The group agreed on a process to harmonize the prov-dm and prov-o via the mappings page. A new product (Product 9) corresponding to the ProvRDF mappings was created in the tracker. Issues with respect to harmonization should be raised there.
<pgroth>Summary: The ProvRDF mappings were largely complete. The group agreed on a process to harmonize the prov-dm and prov-o via the mappings page. A new product (Product 9) corresponding to the ProvRDF mappings was created in the tracker. Issues with respect to harmonization should be raised there.
16:30:49 <ERICstephan> jcheney: did this for a small subset for PROV-DM during f2f2.
James Cheney: did this for a small subset for PROV-DM during f2f2. ←
16:31:05 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.aa]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller.aa] ←
16:31:18 <ERICstephan> jcheney: Tim has been adding record form from PROV-DM to collections of RDF triples
James Cheney: Tim has been adding record form from PROV-DM to collections of RDF triples ←
16:31:22 <ERICstephan> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvRDF
http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvRDF ←
16:32:46 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
16:32:57 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:33:25 <dgarijo> yes, more or less.
Daniel Garijo: yes, more or less. ←
16:33:28 <ERICstephan> pgroth: Is what we see in the doc, in the right hand side of the page reflect the current prov-o ontology?
Paul Groth: Is what we see in the doc, in the right hand side of the page reflect the current prov-o ontology? ←
16:33:45 <tlebo> @paul, that is the intent. If the RHS are not aligned with the OWL file, ISSUES should be raised.
Timothy Lebo: @paul, that is the intent. If the RHS are not aligned with the OWL file, ISSUES should be raised. ←
16:35:02 <ERICstephan> jcheney: left hand side match DM working draft 3
James Cheney: left hand side match DM working draft 3 ←
16:35:26 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:35:46 <ERICstephan> pgroth: how do we sync prov-o prov-dm?
Paul Groth: how do we sync prov-o prov-dm? ←
16:35:48 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:36:22 <jcheney> q+
James Cheney: q+ ←
16:36:22 <ERICstephan> pgroth: in the issue tracker, make a new deliverable for mappings, if inconsistencies report them there.
Paul Groth: in the issue tracker, make a new deliverable for mappings, if inconsistencies report them there. ←
16:36:23 <satya> +1 @Paul
Satya Sahoo: +1 @Paul ←
16:36:24 <dgarijo> @pgroth:+1
Daniel Garijo: @pgroth:+1 ←
16:37:00 <tlebo> q+ to ask if it can become an appendix of the PROV-O HTML
Timothy Lebo: q+ to ask if it can become an appendix of the PROV-O HTML ←
16:37:01 <ERICstephan> jcheney: making deliverable in tracker, that it makes a separate deliverable in working group? Paulg no
James Cheney: making deliverable in tracker, that it makes a separate deliverable in working group? Paulg no ←
16:37:05 <pgroth> ack jcheney
Paul Groth: ack jcheney ←
16:37:12 <pgroth> ack tlebo
Paul Groth: ack tlebo ←
16:37:13 <Zakim> tlebo, you wanted to ask if it can become an appendix of the PROV-O HTML
Zakim IRC Bot: tlebo, you wanted to ask if it can become an appendix of the PROV-O HTML ←
16:37:22 <satya> @Tim: I agree
Satya Sahoo: @Tim: I agree ←
16:37:37 <ERICstephan> tlebo: useful and at least interesting to PROV-O html doc
Timothy Lebo: useful and at least interesting to PROV-O html doc ←
16:37:38 <dgarijo> +1 to Tim's point.
Daniel Garijo: +1 to Tim's point. ←
16:37:55 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:38:02 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
16:38:07 <Zakim> -pgroth
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgroth ←
16:38:07 <dgarijo> If it helped us, it could help other people too...
Daniel Garijo: If it helped us, it could help other people too... ←
16:38:12 <pgroth> ack I hung up
Paul Groth: ack I hung up ←
16:38:21 <ERICstephan> luc: we can close action-56?
Luc Moreau: we can close ACTION-56? ←
16:38:29 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.aa] ←
16:38:37 <ERICstephan> jcheney: +1
James Cheney: +1 ←
16:38:56 <ERICstephan> satya: action on me is closed?
Satya Sahoo: action on me is closed? ←
16:39:05 <pgroth> Zakim, IPcaller.aa is me
Paul Groth: Zakim, IPcaller.aa is me ←
16:39:05 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgroth; got it ←
16:39:10 <satya> ok
Satya Sahoo: ok ←
16:39:11 <ERICstephan> pgroth: action is still open based on action-105
Paul Groth: action is still open based on ACTION-105 ←
16:39:13 <satya> thanks!
Satya Sahoo: thanks! ←
16:39:17 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:39:28 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
16:39:57 <ERICstephan> pgroth: okay on deliverable on RDF mappings?
Paul Groth: okay on deliverable on RDF mappings? ←
16:40:03 <ERICstephan> who spoke?
who spoke? ←
16:40:09 <tlebo> macted did
Timothy Lebo: macted did ←
16:40:20 <ERICstephan> MacTed: not sure this is going to meet the goals of harmonization
Ted Thibodeau: not sure this is going to meet the goals of harmonization ←
16:40:44 <tlebo> @macted, what are you looking for?
Timothy Lebo: @macted, what are you looking for? ←
16:40:54 <Luc> created https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/9
Luc Moreau: created https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/9 ←
16:40:54 <satya> can you please explain macted?
Satya Sahoo: can you please explain macted? ←
16:41:02 <jcheney> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/HarmonizingProvDMAndProvO
James Cheney: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/HarmonizingProvDMAndProvO ←
16:41:04 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
16:41:14 <dgarijo> @satya: I think he is just concerned about the naming
Daniel Garijo: @satya: I think he is just concerned about the naming ←
16:41:17 <ERICstephan> satya: What are you suggesting macted?
Satya Sahoo: What are you suggesting macted? ←
16:41:18 <dgarijo> of the document..
Daniel Garijo: of the document.. ←
16:41:45 <ERICstephan> MacTed: harmony does not equate to RDF mapping to me
Ted Thibodeau: harmony does not equate to RDF mapping to me ←
16:42:08 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
16:42:41 <pgroth> Raise Issue against Product 9
Paul Groth: Raise Issue against Product 9 ←
16:42:41 <ERICstephan> luc: posting url to new product I created, to raise issues in the tracker between PROV-DM and PROV-O
Luc Moreau: posting url to new product I created, to raise issues in the tracker between PROV-DM and PROV-O ←
16:43:03 <pgroth> Topic: Timetable for Release
Summary: A discussion on when we could release a synchronous set of working drafts between prov-dm, prov-o and prov-primer. March 14 was proposed as a deadline, however, it was unclear whether this would be viable in terms of both delivery and progress on other drafts. It was decided to finalize this at the next telecon.
<pgroth> Summary: A discussion on when we could release a synchronous set of working drafts between prov-dm, prov-o and prov-primer. March 14 was proposed as a deadline, however, it was unclear whether this would be viable in terms of both delivery and progress on other drafts. It was decided to finalize this at the next telecon.
16:43:42 <satya> @Luc, I just mailed you to close ISSUE-105
Satya Sahoo: @Luc, I just mailed you to close ISSUE-105 ←
16:43:59 <ERICstephan> pgroth: what should be the goal of the release?
Paul Groth: what should be the goal of the release? ←
16:44:12 <pgroth> q+
Paul Groth: q+ ←
16:44:14 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:44:16 <pgroth> ack pgroth
Paul Groth: ack pgroth ←
16:44:53 <satya> q+
Satya Sahoo: q+ ←
16:45:21 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
16:45:24 <pgroth> ack satya
Paul Groth: ack satya ←
16:45:38 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
16:45:42 <ERICstephan> pgroth: sync one version of working draft against another for ( Prov-dm, prov-o, and prov-primer)
Paul Groth: sync one version of working draft against another for ( Prov-dm, prov-o, and prov-primer) ←
16:45:54 <Zakim> -Helena
Zakim IRC Bot: -Helena ←
16:46:20 <ERICstephan> luc: the whole point was that we change the presentation, simplify, but we do not change any of the terms
Luc Moreau: the whole point was that we change the presentation, simplify, but we do not change any of the terms ←
16:46:31 <dgarijo> so then we are already done :D :D
Daniel Garijo: so then we are already done :D :D ←
16:46:46 <dgarijo> @satya: Account is now "bundle"
Daniel Garijo: @satya: Account is now "bundle" ←
16:46:47 <ERICstephan> luc: if you have aligned the prov-o to the current working draft you have aligned them
Luc Moreau: if you have aligned the prov-o to the current working draft you have aligned them ←
16:47:14 <Luc> @Satya, i closed issue-105 and action-52
Luc Moreau: @Satya, i closed ISSUE-105 and ACTION-52 ←
16:47:29 <ERICstephan> pgroth: those set of issues need to be addressed before wd4
Paul Groth: those set of issues need to be addressed before wd4 ←
16:47:41 <ERICstephan> luc: wd4 March 1
Luc Moreau: wd4 March 1 ←
16:48:07 <ERICstephan> luc: without sync with prov-o
Luc Moreau: without sync with prov-o ←
16:49:16 <ERICstephan> pgroth: when do we do a sync release within the group? reviews this week, two weeks for alignment, propose March 14?
Paul Groth: when do we do a sync release within the group? reviews this week, two weeks for alignment, propose March 14? ←
16:49:18 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:50:00 <pgroth> Deadline to release internally to the WG for review of primer + dm + ontology sync release March 14
Paul Groth: Deadline to release internally to the WG for review of primer + dm + ontology sync release March 14 ←
16:50:03 <Zakim> +Yolanda
Zakim IRC Bot: +Yolanda ←
16:50:32 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:50:48 <ERICstephan> luc: what does the prov-o team think?
Luc Moreau: what does the prov-o team think? ←
16:50:56 <satya> yes, we now concentrate on html
Satya Sahoo: yes, we now concentrate on html ←
16:51:03 <satya> document
Satya Sahoo: document ←
16:51:39 <ERICstephan> satya: On our monday meeting we are already started restructuring HTML, maybe by next Thursday report progress?
Satya Sahoo: On our monday meeting we are already started restructuring HTML, maybe by next Thursday report progress? ←
16:51:56 <ERICstephan> satya: maybe 2 weeks time reasonable?
Satya Sahoo: maybe 2 weeks time reasonable? ←
16:51:58 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:52:40 <ERICstephan> pgroth: key comments, is raising all issues on the mapping styles and harmonization products, what is remaining to achieve harmonization?
Paul Groth: key comments, is raising all issues on the mapping styles and harmonization products, what is remaining to achieve harmonization? ←
16:52:54 <ERICstephan> pgroth: I think we should aim for 14th
Paul Groth: I think we should aim for 14th ←
16:52:58 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:53:19 <ERICstephan> luc: concern that we are drifting again on the time table.
Luc Moreau: concern that we are drifting again on the time table. ←
16:53:56 <ERICstephan> luc: We need to Start working on 5th working draft
Luc Moreau: We need to Start working on 5th working draft ←
16:54:31 <ERICstephan> luc: working in parallel on 5th working draft
Luc Moreau: working in parallel on 5th working draft ←
16:55:12 <ERICstephan> luc: finalize timeline next week?
Luc Moreau: finalize timeline next week? ←
16:55:15 <pgroth> suggestion March 14, but finalize next week
Paul Groth: suggestion March 14, but finalize next week ←
16:55:21 <ERICstephan> +1 agree with luc
+1 agree with luc ←
16:55:26 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:55:28 <tlebo> q+ did the content of http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvRDF get moved to another page?
Timothy Lebo: q+ did the content of http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvRDF get moved to another page? ←
16:56:33 <pgroth> Topic: Agent Types
Summary: A discussion was had about renaming of the current agent subtypes. There was believed to be consensus on the mailing list for renaming. However, there was no consensus on the call. Use cases for agent subtypes from prior working group discussions were asked for. Paul agreed to send a pointer to the mailing list.
<pgroth> Summary: A discussion was had about renaming of the current agent subtypes. There was believed to be consensus on the mailing list for renaming. However, there was no consensus on the call. Use cases for agent subtypes from prior working group discussions were asked for. Paul agreed to send a pointer to the mailing list.
16:56:44 <ERICstephan> pgroth: Tim it stays where its been
Paul Groth: Tim it stays where its been ←
16:57:14 <tlebo> q-
Timothy Lebo: q- ←
16:57:17 <ERICstephan> pgroth: agent typings discussion in the mail list
Paul Groth: agent typings discussion in the mail list ←
16:57:32 <ERICstephan> pgroth: concerns about not broad enough use cases
Paul Groth: concerns about not broad enough use cases ←
16:57:37 <pgroth> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Feb/0225.html
Paul Groth: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Feb/0225.html ←
16:58:03 <ERICstephan> pgroth: can we get concensus for a vote today?
Paul Groth: can we get concensus for a vote today? ←
16:58:08 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller.a] ←
16:58:31 <pgroth> Current - Person, Software Agent, Organization
Paul Groth: Current - Person, Software Agent, Organization ←
16:58:50 <pgroth> Proposal - Change core agent subtypes to Human, System, Organization
Paul Groth: Proposal - Change core agent subtypes to Human, System, Organization ←
16:58:55 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:59:00 <Curt> European (Organisation) or American (Organization) spelling?
Curt Tilmes: European (Organisation) or American (Organization) spelling? ←
16:59:18 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:59:26 <satya> q+
Satya Sahoo: q+ ←
16:59:26 <MacTed> +1 to change, with z spelling
Ted Thibodeau: +1 to change, with z spelling ←
16:59:32 <dgarijo> +1
Daniel Garijo: +1 ←
16:59:51 <tlebo> -1 b/c organizations are systems
Timothy Lebo: -1 b/c organizations are systems ←
17:00:14 <Luc> @paul, wasn't it ComputingSystem ?
Luc Moreau: @paul, wasn't it ComputingSystem ? ←
17:00:17 <dgarijo> @tim: but they are not all disjoint, right?
Daniel Garijo: @tim: but they are not all disjoint, right? ←
17:00:35 <Curt> +1 Systems can include persons or organizations, but are still distinct from them
Curt Tilmes: +1 Systems can include persons or organizations, but are still distinct from them ←
17:00:37 <dgarijo> @tim: so an Organization CAN be a system.
Daniel Garijo: @tim: so an Organization CAN be a system. ←
17:01:01 <dgarijo> I'd say that Human and System are disjoint though.
Daniel Garijo: I'd say that Human and System are disjoint though. ←
17:01:21 <stephenc> Would prov:Human be a subclass of foaf:Person?
Stephen Cresswell: Would prov:Human be a subclass of foaf:Person? ←
17:01:29 <zednik_> q+
Stephan Zednik: q+ ←
17:01:34 <satya> q-
Satya Sahoo: q- ←
17:01:39 <pgroth> ack zednik
Paul Groth: ack zednik ←
17:01:40 <ERICstephan> satya: when a human is not regarded in the context of an agent is there a problem?
Satya Sahoo: when a human is not regarded in the context of an agent is there a problem? ←
17:01:44 <tlebo> abstain. Agent has been hard enough. I'll make my own subtypes.
Timothy Lebo: abstain. Agent has been hard enough. I'll make my own subtypes. ←
17:01:56 <dgarijo> +q
Daniel Garijo: +q ←
17:02:15 <ERICstephan> zednik: Why human over person?
Stephan Zednik: Why human over person? ←
17:02:27 <pgroth> ack dgarijo
Paul Groth: ack dgarijo ←
17:02:45 <ERICstephan> what if an animal is an agent?
what if an animal is an agent? ←
17:03:09 <ERICstephan> agreed with tlebo
agreed with tlebo ←
17:03:42 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
17:03:42 <zednik_> q+
Stephan Zednik: q+ ←
17:03:51 <pgroth> ack zednik_
Paul Groth: ack zednik_ ←
17:03:52 <MacTed> thinking deeper.... foaf:Person <> prov:Person, which is clearer if we say prov:Human
Ted Thibodeau: thinking deeper.... foaf:Person <> prov:Person, which is clearer if we say prov:Human ←
17:04:10 <jun> do we have a use case to drive sub-typing agent? I am against over sub-typing
Jun Zhao: do we have a use case to drive sub-typing agent? I am against over sub-typing ←
17:04:10 <MacTed> - prov:Human may be but is not necessarily prov:Agent
Ted Thibodeau: - prov:Human may be but is not necessarily prov:Agent ←
17:04:46 <ERICstephan> zednik: talk about humans without typing them automatically to agent?
Stephan Zednik: talk about humans without typing them automatically to agent? ←
17:04:53 <jun> q+
17:05:00 <MacTed> - prov:Agent might have *range* (as opposed to subClass) which includes foaf:Person, prov:Human, prov:Person...
Ted Thibodeau: - prov:Agent might have *range* (as opposed to subClass) which includes foaf:Person, prov:Human, prov:Person... ←
17:05:02 <pgroth> ack jun
Paul Groth: ack jun ←
17:05:08 <tlebo> +1 to avoiding direct connection to FOAF.
Timothy Lebo: +1 to avoiding direct connection to FOAF. ←
17:05:12 <dgarijo> @why are you against? If prov is supposed to be a generic ontology, you will have to adapt it to you domain imo
Daniel Garijo: @why are you against? If prov is supposed to be a generic ontology, you will have to adapt it to you domain imo ←
17:05:22 <dgarijo> @jun
Daniel Garijo: @jun ←
17:05:52 <ERICstephan> jun: what is driving this task?
Jun Zhao: what is driving this task? ←
17:06:12 <satya> @Jun, +1 - subytping leads to reduced interoperability
Satya Sahoo: @Jun, +1 - subytping leads to reduced interoperability ←
17:06:24 <Zakim> -Yolanda
Zakim IRC Bot: -Yolanda ←
17:06:25 <ERICstephan> pgroth: We already agreed about these broad categories and wanted to get agreement on naming
Paul Groth: We already agreed about these broad categories and wanted to get agreement on naming ←
17:06:47 <zednik_> is agent itself enough to address the use cases?
Stephan Zednik: is agent itself enough to address the use cases? ←
17:06:52 <ERICstephan> MacTed: What is the distinction?
Ted Thibodeau: What is the distinction? ←
17:07:17 <Luc> and originally software ...
Luc Moreau: and originally software ... ←
17:07:24 <ERICstephan> MacTed: Human and Inhuman?
Ted Thibodeau: Human and Inhuman? ←
17:07:59 <jcheney> Suggest Nonhuman instead of Inhuman - a human can be inhuman.
James Cheney: Suggest Nonhuman instead of Inhuman - a human can be inhuman. ←
17:08:10 <ERICstephan> link to use case?
link to use case? ←
17:08:13 <tlebo> is a foaf:Organization Human or InHuman?
Timothy Lebo: is a foaf:Organization Human or InHuman? ←
17:08:27 <zednik_> what attributes are different for human vs nonhuman in prov?
Stephan Zednik: what attributes are different for human vs nonhuman in prov? ←
17:08:47 <jun> @jcheney, +1. if we have to have it, then at least we have nonhuman
Jun Zhao: @jcheney, +1. if we have to have it, then at least we have nonhuman ←
17:08:50 <zednik_> what relations are different for human vs nonhuman?
Stephan Zednik: what relations are different for human vs nonhuman? ←
17:08:53 <satya> jcheney, tlebo :)
Satya Sahoo: jcheney, tlebo :) ←
17:09:17 <MacTed> human vs nonhuman is fine with me ... once I understand why the distinction is necessary here...
Ted Thibodeau: human vs nonhuman is fine with me ... once I understand why the distinction is necessary here... ←
17:09:21 <tlebo> we can kill -9 NonHuman without going to jail
Timothy Lebo: we can kill -9 NonHuman without going to jail ←
17:09:38 <ERICstephan> lol tlebo
lol tlebo ←
17:09:41 <pgroth> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Feb/0159.html
Paul Groth: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Feb/0159.html ←
17:09:42 <MacTed> but corporations are people! ;-)
Ted Thibodeau: but corporations are people! ;-) ←
17:09:56 <ERICstephan> is a cow a system on a dairy farm?
is a cow a system on a dairy farm? ←
17:10:56 <satya> I think this is one of our best discussion in the WG :o)
Satya Sahoo: I think this is one of our best discussion in the WG :o) ←
17:11:16 <zednik_> what is our definition of system?
Stephan Zednik: what is our definition of system? ←
17:11:22 <pgroth> +q
Paul Groth: +q ←
17:11:44 <pgroth> ack pgroth
Paul Groth: ack pgroth ←
17:11:59 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
17:12:04 <ERICstephan> pgroth: there is a key use case, it looks like there was naming, but we get on phone call and no consensus.
Paul Groth: there is a key use case, it looks like there was naming, but we get on phone call and no consensus. ←
17:12:37 <ERICstephan> pgroth: would like to issue this to be done. This is a necessary to have.
Paul Groth: would like to issue this to be done. This is a necessary to have. ←
17:13:06 <ERICstephan> pgroth: Will email around again this use case.
Paul Groth: Will email around again this use case. ←
17:13:30 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo
Zakim IRC Bot: -Satya_Sahoo ←
17:13:31 <tlebo> bye bye!
Timothy Lebo: bye bye! ←
17:13:32 <Zakim> -tlebo
Zakim IRC Bot: -tlebo ←
17:13:33 <Zakim> -jun
Zakim IRC Bot: -jun ←
17:13:33 <Zakim> -??P38
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P38 ←
17:13:34 <zednik_> bye
Stephan Zednik: bye ←
17:13:35 <Zakim> -jcheney
Zakim IRC Bot: -jcheney ←
17:13:36 <Zakim> -pgroth
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgroth ←
17:13:36 <Zakim> -dgarijo
Zakim IRC Bot: -dgarijo ←
17:13:39 <Zakim> -MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed ←
17:13:40 <Zakim> -Curt_Tilmes
Zakim IRC Bot: -Curt_Tilmes ←
17:13:40 <Zakim> -SamCoppens
Zakim IRC Bot: -SamCoppens ←
17:13:42 <Zakim> -Luc
Zakim IRC Bot: -Luc ←
17:13:42 <ERICstephan> bye
bye ←
17:13:46 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←
17:13:48 <Zakim> - +1.509.967.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.509.967.aaaa ←
17:13:51 <Zakim> -??P51
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P51 ←
17:15:05 <pgroth> rrsagent, set log public
Paul Groth: rrsagent, set log public ←
17:15:11 <pgroth> rrsagent, draft minutes
Paul Groth: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
17:15:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/16-prov-minutes.html pgroth
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/16-prov-minutes.html pgroth ←
17:15:16 <pgroth> trackbot, end telecon
Paul Groth: trackbot, end telecon ←
17:15:16 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
17:15:16 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been pgroth, +1.509.967.aaaa, Luc, Curt_Tilmes, SamCoppens, Helena, tlebo, dgarijo?, MacTed, Yolanda, jcheney, Satya_Sahoo, jun, [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been pgroth, +1.509.967.aaaa, Luc, Curt_Tilmes, SamCoppens, Helena, tlebo, dgarijo?, MacTed, Yolanda, jcheney, Satya_Sahoo, jun, [IPcaller] ←
17:15:24 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
17:15:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/16-prov-minutes.html trackbot
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17:15:25 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
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17:15:25 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
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