16:04:30 <tlebo> action 51

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16:04:30 <trackbot> Sorry, bad ACTION syntax

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16:04:32 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/blog/SW/2012/02/08/the-provenance-data-model-third-working-draft/

Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/blog/SW/2012/02/08/the-provenance-data-model-third-working-draft/ ←

16:04:53 <tlebo> luc finished the blog on action 51; closed.

luc finished the blog on ACTION-51; closed. ←

16:05:03 <Zakim> +??P77

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16:05:13 <Zakim> +??P80

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16:05:16 <tlebo> action 52 on satya - continue DM issues.

ACTION-52 on satya - continue DM issues. ←

16:05:16 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 52

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16:05:17 <Zakim> +??P81

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16:05:41 <tlebo> satya: can be folded into the due date next thursday.

Satya Sahoo: can be folded into the due date next thursday. ←

16:05:44 <MacTed> action-52?

Ted Thibodeau: ACTION-52? ←

16:05:44 <trackbot> ACTION-52 -- Satya Sahoo to address issues in http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.01.05#prov-dm -- due 2012-01-19 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-52 -- Satya Sahoo to address issues in http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.01.05#prov-dm -- due 2012-01-19 -- OPEN ←

16:05:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/52

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16:05:51 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

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16:06:00 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

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16:06:02 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

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16:06:23 <tlebo> luc: luc and paolo have asked questions that satya has not answered. please respond.

Luc Moreau: luc and paolo have asked questions that satya has not answered. please respond. ←

16:06:44 <tlebo> luc: we will be trying to close actions much faster.

Luc Moreau: we will be trying to close actions much faster. ←

16:06:50 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

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16:06:52 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

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16:07:12 <tlebo> satya: today or tomorrow will respond

Satya Sahoo: today or tomorrow will respond ←

16:07:16 <Luc> https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/53

Luc Moreau: https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/53 ←

16:07:19 <jcheney> zakim, ??P77 is me

James Cheney: zakim, ??P77 is me ←

16:07:28 <tlebo> action 53 to Kai - bootstrapping dc best practices.

ACTION-53 to Kai - bootstrapping dc best practices. ←

16:07:28 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 53

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16:07:39 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it

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16:08:31 <tlebo> dgarijo: kai has been working on it, has been getting good responses from other users groups. they seem happy.

Daniel Garijo: kai has been working on it, has been getting good responses from other users groups. they seem happy. ←

16:08:50 <tlebo> luc: will the activity be seen by prov-wg?

Luc Moreau: will the activity be seen by prov-wg? ←

16:09:00 <Zakim> +[ISI]

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16:09:06 <Zakim> +Sandro

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16:09:07 <tlebo> dgarijo: mostly on the dc side, kai will come back and report.

Daniel Garijo: mostly on the dc side, kai will come back and report. ←

16:09:18 <tlebo> dgarijo: eric is hosting a call next monday

Daniel Garijo: eric is hosting a call next monday ←

16:09:33 <tlebo> dgarijo is on dc call

dgarijo is on dc call ←

16:09:42 <tlebo> luc: how to monitor progress?

Luc Moreau: how to monitor progress? ←

16:09:58 <tlebo> dgarijo: still getting started.

Daniel Garijo: still getting started. ←

16:10:20 <tlebo> luc: action is completed because activity is bootstrapped. please report back regularlly.

Luc Moreau: action is completed because activity is bootstrapped. please report back regularlly. ←

16:10:33 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q? ←

16:11:10 <Luc> https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/54

Luc Moreau: https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/54 ←

16:11:11 <MacTed> action-54?

Ted Thibodeau: ACTION-54? ←

16:11:11 <trackbot> ACTION-54 -- Paul Groth to engage implementation task force to begin developing of a test harness around examples (from tim or others) -- due 2012-02-10 -- OPEN

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16:11:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/54

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16:11:17 <tlebo> next action is #54 on paolo. Engaging implemenation task force for a test harness

next action is #54 on paul. Engaging implemenation task force for a test harness ←

16:11:32 <tlebo> luc: helena or stephen?

Luc Moreau: helena or stephen? ←

16:11:47 <Zakim> -MacTed

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16:11:52 <tlebo> s/paolo/paul/

16:12:03 <Luc> https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/55

Luc Moreau: https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/55 ←

16:12:26 <tlebo> next action was #55 on mike. make an owl file for next week.

next action was #55 on mike. make an owl file for next week. ←

16:12:31 <dgarijo> +q

Daniel Garijo: +q ←

16:12:58 <Luc> ack dg

Luc Moreau: ack dg ←

16:13:10 <tlebo> dgarijo: khalid and daniel have made a list of terms to agree on and give rules for. (and a list of those we won't)

Daniel Garijo: khalid and daniel have made a list of terms to agree on and give rules for. (and a list of those we won't) ←

16:13:24 <tlebo> ( http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvRDF )

( http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvRDF ) ←

16:13:25 <satya> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvRDF

Satya Sahoo: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvRDF ←

16:13:49 <tlebo> luc: timing - next telecon due. on track to meet?

Luc Moreau: timing - next telecon due. on track to meet? ←

16:13:52 <Zakim> +??P20

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16:13:52 <tlebo> dgarijo: yes

Daniel Garijo: yes ←

16:13:57 <tlebo> (+1)

(+1) ←

16:14:00 <Luc> https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/56

Luc Moreau: https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/56 ←

16:14:16 <tlebo> next is action 56 to james update rdf rules and align with dm.

next is ACTION-56 to james update rdf rules and align with dm. ←

16:14:47 <tlebo> jcheney: coupled with previous issue. using ProvRDF to keep track of DM and ont.

James Cheney: coupled with previous issue. using ProvRDF to keep track of DM and ont. ←

16:15:02 <dgarijo> I forgot to say that Tim also worked on the list initiated by James.

Daniel Garijo: I forgot to say that Tim also worked on the list initiated by James. ←

16:15:17 <tlebo> jcheney: daniel, khalid, satya, tim have been working around the doc.

James Cheney: daniel, khalid, satya, tim have been working around the doc. ←

16:15:30 <tlebo> jcheney: planning to fill in early next week

James Cheney: planning to fill in early next week ←

16:15:35 <tlebo> q+

q+ ←

16:16:05 <dgarijo> tlebo: clarification about the rules James is talking about.

Timothy Lebo: clarification about the rules James is talking about. [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Garijo ] ←

16:16:23 <dgarijo> jcheney: the rules in the provRDF file.

James Cheney: the rules in the provRDF file. [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Garijo ] ←

16:16:31 <khalidbelhajjame> Translation rules

Khalid Belhajjame: Translation rules ←

16:17:02 <Luc> https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/57

Luc Moreau: https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/57 ←

16:17:04 <dgarijo> tlebo: the plan is to have completed the left side part of the list

Timothy Lebo: the plan is to have completed the left side part of the list [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Garijo ] ←

16:17:05 <tlebo> (anyone is welcome to help me fill in the left-hand sides from DM - this needs to be done by Friday)

(anyone is welcome to help me fill in the left-hand sides from DM - this needs to be done by Friday) ←

16:17:30 <tlebo> luc: paq, paul, graham. #57 due end of month. we'll leave it

Luc Moreau: paq, paul, graham. #57 due end of month. we'll leave it ←

16:17:31 <Luc> https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/58

Luc Moreau: https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/58 ←

16:17:37 <Luc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Feb/0021.html

Luc Moreau: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Feb/0021.html ←

16:17:56 <dgarijo> @tlebo: I though that that was what Khalid and I did with the lists :)

Daniel Garijo: @tlebo: I though that that was what Khalid and I did with the lists :) ←

16:17:58 <tlebo> luc: action 58 to paul. he wrote summary of f2f.

Luc Moreau: ACTION-58 to paul. he wrote summary of f2f. ←

16:18:07 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/blog/SW/?p=451

Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/blog/SW/?p=451 ←

16:18:09 <tlebo> @daniel, nope, as I said in email.

@daniel, nope, as I said in email. ←

16:18:23 <tlebo> luc: closing 58

Luc Moreau: closing 58 ←

16:18:37 <GK_> Oops, sorry I'm late.  Connecting now.

Graham Klyne: Oops, sorry I'm late. Connecting now. ←

16:19:01 <Luc> https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/60

Luc Moreau: https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/60 ←

16:19:41 <tlebo> luc: 60 on luc, xml schema. he sent email to list. some responses. james' approach similar?

Luc Moreau: 60 on luc, xml schema. he sent email to list. some responses. james' approach similar? ←

16:19:47 <dgarijo> @tlebo: ok.

Daniel Garijo: @tlebo: ok. ←

16:19:51 <tlebo> jcheney: was using attributes, but can change to elemetns.

James Cheney: was using attributes, but can change to elemetns. ←

16:20:02 <tlebo> luc: stephen, tim is interested

Luc Moreau: stephen, tim is interested ←

16:20:07 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

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16:20:07 <tlebo> (+1)

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16:20:11 <Zakim> +??P0

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16:20:13 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

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16:20:13 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

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16:20:15 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

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16:20:15 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

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16:20:29 <GK_> zakim, ??p0 is me

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16:20:29 <Zakim> +GK_; got it

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16:20:55 <tlebo> tim: will look through it, not sure what he'll do with it.

Timothy Lebo: will look through it, not sure what he'll do with it. ←

16:21:11 <tlebo> luc: aim for an agreement in two weeks time?

Luc Moreau: aim for an agreement in two weeks time? ←

16:21:28 <satya> tlebo: yes

Timothy Lebo: yes [ Scribe Assist by Satya Sahoo ] ←

16:21:42 <Luc> https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/61

Luc Moreau: https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/61 ←

16:21:55 <tlebo> luc: 61 on james update semantics to suit DM WD3

Luc Moreau: 61 on james update semantics to suit DM WD3 ←

16:22:27 <tlebo> jcheney: provrdf an mappings are part of it and due ealier. so focusing on that.

James Cheney: provrdf an mappings are part of it and due ealier. so focusing on that. ←

16:22:30 <Luc> https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/62

Luc Moreau: https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/62 ←

16:22:45 <tlebo> luc: 62 on luc to simplify intro do DM

Luc Moreau: 62 on luc to simplify intro do DM ←

16:22:55 <tlebo> luc: will report later in agenda.

Luc Moreau: will report later in agenda. ←

16:23:17 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q? ←

16:23:23 <tlebo> q-

q- ←

16:24:22 <tlebo> luc: next face to face... coordinate with semweb activity.... mroe next week.

Luc Moreau: next face to face... coordinate with semweb activity.... mroe next week. ←

16:24:38 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q? ←

16:24:42 <tlebo> luc: other issues?

Luc Moreau: other issues? ←

16:24:56 <Zakim> -Curt_Tilmes

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16:41:38 <tlebo> topic: prov-o

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<luc>Summary: We discussed progress on the ontology alignment and the use of James rules for systematically mapping prov-dm constructs to the ontology. The team is on track to release the ontology at the next teleconference.  Satya agreed to produce an outline of the structure of the new prov-o document, taking into account best practice in the semantic web community. Reviewers of the prov-o ontology were lined up: Luc, Paolo, EricS, StephenC (TBC). Any other reviewer welcome! They will be asked to review the ontology when available.

16:25:01 <Luc> can we see this list of term?

16:25:10 <tlebo> satya: reviewing wd3, have terms to map, nothing else to report. Mike finished blog post.

16:25:20 <tlebo> satya: simple exmaple of how to use prov-o. sent update yesterday

16:25:21 <Luc> can we see the blog post example?

16:25:26 <tlebo> (I didn't see update)

16:25:42 <tlebo> (ok)

16:25:51 <tlebo> satya: blog post coming outt

16:26:01 <dgarijo> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvRDF

16:26:03 <tlebo> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvRDF#List_of_terms_that_are_going_to_be_modeled_in_order_to_align_PROV-O_to_WD3

16:26:10 <Zakim> +Curt_Tilmes

16:26:18 <Luc> q?

16:26:35 <tlebo> q+ to note that I think a different format would be better, will try to address on email and skype.

16:26:36 <dgarijo> although that list has to be merged with Khalid's

16:26:41 <tlebo> luc: wasAssociatedWith - why not?

16:26:50 <tlebo> luc: quite important.

16:27:14 <Luc> q?

16:27:17 <Luc> ack tle

16:27:17 <Zakim> tlebo, you wanted to note that I think a different format would be better, will try to address on email and skype.

16:28:05 <tlebo> q-

16:28:26 <tlebo> luc: good to see that we can be systematic in translation.

16:28:35 <tlebo> luc: issues in DM?

16:29:27 <Zakim> +??P25

16:29:39 <satya> @GK: yes, it is a discussion board

16:30:09 <tlebo> luc: would be good for dm and provo teams to discuss

16:30:16 <Zakim> + +1.443.708.aaee

16:30:27 <tlebo> tlebo: we can do that after the owl file and mapping page

16:30:33 <tlebo> luc: we need the HTML, too.

16:30:47 <Luc> q?

16:30:53 <jcheney> @GK: Tim's point I think is that the wiki page should be DM-centric in order to aid producing the deliverable(s)

16:30:54 <tlebo> luc: we need a doc that semweb community will look at after the primer.

16:31:20 <khalidbelhajjame> We also need to thing about the structure of the document

16:31:23 <khalidbelhajjame> think

16:31:32 <tlebo> satya: having concensus on owl file will aid HTML writing.

16:31:45 <tlebo> luc: but thought on how to structure doc before hand.

16:31:56 <tlebo> (I think we agreed to get rid of this laundry list approach in the HTML)

16:32:09 <dgarijo> @khalid : +1.

16:32:47 <tlebo> luc: ivan's feedback after f2f. many ontologies that were well presented. OPMV, FOAF, (not enough examples in foaf html)

16:33:02 <tlebo> luc: good to think about how the HTML will be structured.

16:33:05 <Luc> q?

16:33:32 <GK_> (I've an idea that some of the FOAF/OPMV content is auto-generated from the OWN description)

16:33:45 <tlebo> luc: DMers shouldn't impose the provo html structure.

16:34:09 <tlebo> luc: action on structure of provo doc?

16:34:28 <tlebo> satya: will take action on structure of prov-o html

16:34:53 <tlebo> action: satya to design structure of provo-html

16:34:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-63 - Design structure of provo-html [on Satya Sahoo - due 2012-02-16].

16:35:01 <Luc> action to satya to outline the new structure of the prov-o document, to be discussed on 23

16:35:01 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - to

16:35:29 <tlebo> luc: ivan suggested that it is usful to line up reviewers of the draft.

16:35:30 <GK_> @luc: that action got created with 16-feb due date, not 23rd

16:35:46 <tlebo> luc: need reviewers to provo html

16:35:51 <tlebo> luc: volunteers?

16:36:00 <Luc> q?

16:36:12 <estephan> I will review

16:36:18 <tlebo> satya: think it would be helpful to have DMers review, too.

16:36:36 <tlebo> luc: volunteers?

16:36:56 <tlebo> luc: zednick?

16:36:58 <GK_> (I probably shall review it, but I'm reluctant to make formal commitment at this time, until it's actually available.)

16:37:13 <tlebo> @etephan said he would, too

16:37:21 <tlebo> luc: simon?

16:37:34 <zednik> I am willing to review prov-o

16:37:36 <satya> perhaps both Simon and Yolanda?

16:37:38 <estephan> +1

16:37:44 <tlebo> smiles: sure, from pov of primer

16:38:17 <zednik> too many stephans ;-)

16:38:23 <tlebo> (too many "steph*n"s)

16:39:08 <davidschaengold> I'll volunteer as well to review it

16:39:21 <satya> @Stephan: you are co-author :)

16:39:35 <estephan> +q

16:39:50 <GK_> (What I'd like to do is review the ontology side-by-side with the *simplified* DM)

16:39:51 <tlebo> core dump

16:39:59 <Luc> ack es

16:40:11 <tlebo> luc, paolo, eric stephen, cresswell, perhaps GK

16:40:31 <tlebo> estephan: hwo to give feedback?

16:41:07 <tlebo> luc: we need to know someone looked at it.

16:41:18 <satya> @Eric: raise issues?

16:41:21 <Luc> q?

16:41:38 <tlebo> topic: prov-dm

<Luc>Summary: Luc explained how the prov-dm editors were  working on their working copy. They are in the process of dividing the prov-dm document into three parts: lightweight intro to prov-dm, upgrade path to proper provenance, prov-asn syntax.  Initial working drafts for part 1 and 3 are in mercurial. The intent is to have all parts available by next teleconference.  We lined up some reviewers for these documents: TimL,  EricS, GK, Daniel (tentative), MacTed(tentative), Curt(tentative). Any other reviewer welcome! They will be asked to review these documents when available.

16:41:57 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvDMWorkingDraft4

16:42:12 <tlebo> luc: wiki page on current activities

16:42:20 <tlebo> luc: trying to adderss action 62 - simplify

16:42:41 <tlebo> luc: created new directory in hg

16:42:53 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/working-copy/towards-wd4.html

16:43:04 <tlebo> luc: welcome to look, but still in progress.

16:43:11 <tlebo> luc: decided to structure into 3 parts

16:43:45 <tlebo> luc: part 1: model based on no "Thing"

16:44:07 <tlebo> luc: part 1: support scruffy prov (so no attributes, charact intervals, constraints)

16:44:11 <tlebo> luc: all moved out of doc

16:44:20 <tlebo> luc: dropped Account Record.

16:44:27 <GK_> q+ to ask if the first part will be anything more than a summary of the ASN expression types

16:44:42 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/working-copy/prov-asn.html

16:44:51 <tlebo> luc: part 3: ASN and grammar

16:45:06 <tlebo> luc: part 2: "upgrade path"

16:45:15 <tlebo> (from scruffy to proper prov)

16:45:32 <GK_> Would prefer to see it described as a "refinement path" rather than "upgrade"

16:45:36 <Luc> q?

16:45:38 <tlebo> luc: first version of this draft by next telecon

16:46:11 <dgarijo> yesterday on the DC call, Thom Baker said that he really liked the distinction between scruffy/proper provenance.

16:46:14 <tlebo> gk: part 1 any mor than summary of expression types?

16:46:20 <tlebo> gk: want it that simple.

16:46:20 <Luc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/working-copy/towards-wd4.html

16:46:34 <Luc> q?

16:47:03 <tlebo> luc: tried to provide intuitive def for all concepts with examples in english

16:47:43 <Luc> q?

16:47:44 <tlebo> luc: list of terms an dtheir componetns with illustration

16:47:49 <Luc> ack GK

16:47:49 <Zakim> GK_, you wanted to ask if the first part will be anything more than a summary of the ASN expression types

16:48:15 <tlebo> gk: looks closer to waht group was asked to do.

16:48:45 <tlebo> luc: happy with anyone to look at and comment on (do not raise issues)

16:49:06 <tlebo> luc: if have commetns, write notes on page and send email notifying

16:49:30 <Luc> q?

16:49:40 <tlebo> luc: comments?

16:49:46 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me

16:49:46 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted

16:49:46 <GK_> I'll probably hold off detailed review untilk that 1st draft is available for co9mment

16:50:03 <tlebo> macted: which URLs are which part of breakout

16:50:14 <Luc> part 1: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/working-copy/towards-wd4.html

16:50:26 <Luc> part 3: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/working-copy/prov-asn.html

16:50:52 <tlebo> luc: will add link to wiki page

16:50:58 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

16:50:58 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

16:51:07 <tlebo> luc: would like reviewers of docs for next week

16:51:23 <Luc> q?

16:51:23 <tlebo> +1

16:51:25 <estephan> +1 (Eric Stephan)

16:51:27 <GK_> I intend to review

16:51:44 <dgarijo> I'll try too

16:51:55 <Curt> I'll try

16:52:33 <tlebo> topic: coordinate a release prov-dm,  prov-o and prov-primer

<Luc>Summary: We discussed a joint release of the next set of working drafts for prov-dm, prov-o, prov-primer.  It was agreed that concepts in prov-dm were stable (though presentation was being worked on).  Satya believes that the prov-o html document can be ready two weeks after the ontology has been agreed on. Simon felt the primer could be updated with the new ontology terms, shortly after the ontology has been frozen.

16:52:54 <tlebo> reading list: primer, prov-o, dm

16:53:09 <tlebo> luc: comments on joint release

16:53:10 <tlebo> ?

16:53:16 <Luc> q?

16:53:17 <smiles> q+

16:53:40 <Luc> ack smiles

16:53:59 <tlebo> smiles: from f2f, we have a schedule. prov-o owl next week and html week after.

16:54:05 <tlebo> ... primer 8 march.

16:54:27 <tlebo> ... then 1-2 weeks from that (20 march)

16:54:36 <tlebo> luc: we've slipped by 1 month

16:54:57 <tlebo> luc: timetable discussed at f2f

16:55:06 <tlebo> ... 4th draft 1 march

16:55:13 <tlebo> ... 5th draft 1 apri.l

16:55:30 <tlebo> ... release of all 1 april?

16:55:55 <tlebo> ... concerned.

16:56:00 <Luc> q?

16:56:00 <tlebo> ... all docs earlier?

16:57:02 <tlebo> satya: last feb first march

16:57:05 <GK_> I personally think we need to get the simplified DM nailed and stabilized (in broad principle) before charging too fast with the other docs.

16:57:14 <tlebo> (I think first week march would be reasonable)

16:57:23 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]

16:57:33 <satya> @GK: I agree

16:58:01 <Luc> q?

16:58:12 <tlebo> smiles: if we agree on the owl, primer by end of feb. but what if there are concerns on the owl?

16:58:30 <dgarijo> I don't think that the primer is going to change a lot..

16:58:48 <tlebo> gk_: really helpful if broad DM stable before pushing on other docs.

16:59:24 <smiles> @dgarijo yes, I hope you're right :)

16:59:33 <tlebo> luc: provo due fairly soon

16:59:47 <tlebo> satya: agree that we need DM stable.

17:00:10 <tlebo> q+ to point out that the concepts aren't changing in DM. so it's "stable"

17:00:41 <smiles> Apologies, but I will have to leave in a minute...

17:01:01 <tlebo> luc: we need to close issues.

17:01:11 <GK_> I'm fine that there may be outstanding issues (near term); but the DM sets a general direction that we're all trying to follow

17:01:22 <Luc> ack tle

17:01:22 <Zakim> tlebo, you wanted to point out that the concepts aren't changing in DM. so it's "stable"

17:01:53 <Luc> q?

17:01:57 <dgarijo> @tlebo:+1

17:02:13 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

17:02:18 <tlebo> topic: connection task force

<luc>Summary: Kai, Eric, and Christine will hold a call on Monday, resuming the activities of the connection task force. If you are interested, contact them to join the call.

17:02:38 <tlebo> estephan: kai did report on plans from f2f2. dc mapping. great effort.

17:02:50 <khalidbelhajjame> Sorry, I will have to leave as I have another meeting

17:02:53 <tlebo> ... while that continues, we should meet as a task force periodically.

17:03:03 <YolandaGil> @Simon: there were a few minor things we wanted to update on the planner, we can discuss them when we meet at the end of the month.

17:03:11 <tlebo> ... most on task force have connections and would be good to keep the report alive.

17:03:15 <Zakim> -??P80

17:03:35 <Luc> q?

17:03:45 <estephan> +q

17:03:57 <Luc> ack e

17:04:14 <tlebo> estephan: monday call details on email

17:04:20 <YolandaGil> I'll be joining the conn TF call

17:04:23 <tlebo> luc: that's it. meet next week.

17:04:24 <Zakim> -davidschaengold

17:04:25 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo

17:04:26 <Zakim> -??P81

17:04:27 <GK_> Bye

17:04:27 <Zakim> - +1.443.708.aaee

17:04:27 <Zakim> - +1.509.967.aadd

17:04:27 <Zakim> -jcheney

17:04:29 <Zakim> -[ISI]

17:04:29 <Zakim> -Sandro

17:04:31 <Zakim> -MacTed

17:04:33 <Zakim> -Curt_Tilmes

17:04:35 <Zakim> -tlebo

17:04:39 <Zakim> -Luc

17:04:51 <Luc> rrsagent, set log public

17:04:53 <Zakim> -GK_

17:04:55 <Luc> rrsagent, draft minutes

17:04:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/09-prov-minutes.html Luc

17:04:59 <Luc> trackbot, end telcon

17:04:59 <trackbot> Sorry, Luc, I don't understand 'trackbot, end telcon '. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

17:05:00 <Zakim> -??P25

17:05:16 <Zakim> -??P20

17:05:18 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has ended

17:05:18 <Zakim> Attendees were Curt_Tilmes, Luc, +1.315.330.aabb, Satya_Sahoo, [IPcaller], +1.646.389.aacc, tlebo, davidschaengold, +1.509.967.aadd, MacTed, jcheney, [ISI], Sandro, GK_,

17:05:18 <Zakim> ... +1.443.708.aaee